Groves Trial Day 1 - Kristin Frantz, Amanda Burchett & Stephanie Jenkins

A mother and father in Scioto County, Ohio stand trial in the death of their infant son. Young Dylan Groves was found dead 30 feet down a well last year, prosecutors said. Authorities blame the boy’s parents-mother Jessica Groves, and father Daniel Groves-for what happened. The defendants are charged with aggravated murder, murder, kidnapping, endangering children, tampering with evidence, interference with custody, gross abuse of a corpse, and four counts of felonious assault.
Problems stemmed right from Dylan’s day of birth on January 10, 2019. The boy was born with drugs in his system, authorities claim. Daniel Groves later got the child back after showing that he followed regulations, but the defendant allegedly started missing important dates, including court dates and doctor’s appointments.
Investigators claim that both defendants bolted on a four-wheeler when authorities dropped by the home for a checkup on May 20, according to WLTW. Deputies obtained a search warrant, got Jessica Groves to give herself up quickly, but Daniel Groves was only arrested after a six-hour standoff. Authorities said they found $42,000 of stolen items at the residence, and later found the late infant in a well.
Deputies said Dylan Groves didn’t even make it to a full three months of age. They claim there’s evidence showing he’d been dead since March.
A coroner determined that the victim had been slain. The child sustained several bone fractures, had been wrapped in plastic bags with duct tape, then put in milk crates that were wrapped in chains, and other bindings, according to WSAZ. The creates were weighted down with rocks and a weight, authorities said. As in his birth, Groves died with drugs in his body, according to the coroner. This allegedly included methamphetamine.
#DylanGroves #GrovesTrial #JessicaAndDanielGrovesTrial

[@dannareusser4291]

In my opinion no baby born with drugs in system should be given to the parents

[@tink_a]

Careful. "Drugs" can also mean medication. Nicotin is a drug as well. An illegal drug can also be given to the woman being unaware. Therefore: Careful with the wording.

[@dannareusser4291]

@@tink_a ok then I will just say dope.

[@jillronan6786]

Cough medicine can cause a false positive for methamphetamine, amphetamines, and cocaine. So can certain inhalers and other medications. Eating a poppy seed bagel can get you a positive result for opiates. My brother’s life was ruined by a false positive drug test while he was in a DUI program...He paid hundreds of dollars for an independent, federally-accredited lab to do a hair follicle test, which was NEGATIVE. The program administration didn’t care, wouldn’t accept it. The prosecutor didn’t care, wouldn’t accept it, wanted to throw him in jail for THREE YEARS. For a single positive drug test, with refuted evidence from a more reliable test, done by a professional laboratory and not just a county worker. He ended up leaving the US, coming home to Canada where we don’t lock people away and ruin their entire lives for no reason. People with drug problems are still people. They need services and support, and help to keep their families together safely. Removing every child from every mother with a positive drug test would require a massive amount of taxpayer dollars, as well as a massive amount of voluntary foster parents! It’s much better and much more cost-effective for social services to provide wraparound care and support services for families. It’s less traumatic for everyone involved, and leads to better outcomes. This case is not representative of ALL families of babies/moms with drugs in their system at birth. We can’t go around yanking families apart just because of this one family’s tragedy/crimes.

[@Glitchedoutditz]

@@jillronan6786 Thank you! I was a drug addict who found out late. I went on medication maintenance to save both of our lives. I have been clean almost 4yrs, I now own a home, a car & my daughter is safe & loved. When my daughter was born she had methadone in her system & the days with her in the NICU were an absolute nightmare that I alone caused both of us. I followed EVERY order, recommendation & took her home. EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT! Just because I am a drug addict (sober & in recovery obviously) does not mean I would EVER harm my child. Sorry about the rant lol that part was towards OP.

[@KatlynJShute]

Danyell K thank you to you and Jill! I am not a mother but I am an addict in recovery and I know plenty of moms who have followed every guideline, every hoop, every obstacle to show the court their children were in safe hands. Drug addicts are people too who need support and care not judgment and ridicule. These to POC do not deserve to be called parents. They are just evil people who killed a child that happened to be parents who were addicted to drugs. Addiction or no addiction these two are just EVIL!

[@debbiehodges1825]

Obviously the nurses made the right decision not to let the baby go with the father from the hospital. I would charge whoever let that murderous couple have that baby back.

[@JojoplusBo]

Absolutely!!

[@aliceleslie7704]

In hind sight, we can certainly say this. But as things are happening, you don't know what is going to happen. For all they know, the parents just had one night of partying. Bad choices when pregnant, but they could have had a normal life otherwise. I think social workers don't know their back end from a hole in the wall. They take children they shouldn't, and don't take those they should have. Certainly they should have done more digging before handing over the baby. They could have spoke to family, neighbors, the older son and any school or medical doctors they had been in contact with. But I have heard of many instances where people called social services out of spite. And social services jumped in and took children because of false information. Both scenerios are just as bad. Without them researching what people around these families have to say, they are just making up their minds without the facts. Yes, social services dropped the ball on this. If they cannot do the legwork, then they should just keep their noses out of things.

[@godisreality7014]

@@aliceleslie7704 one night of partying does not create a baby who is drug addicted and going through withdrawl for weeks on end.

[@illinoisnana2867]

CPS needs to be held responsible for returning children to parents who kill them...laws need to be changed...if they would have listened...maybe all these children would still be alive...I am ashamed of all of departments

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

I know right??!! Kraft's sole purpose was to make sure parents were doing what CPS ordered! How f**king hard is it to CALL and ask if dad has a job moms going to rehab, etc. It was all lies. That trial was handed so poorly! And why wasn't that a death penalty case? Anyone??😚

[@rachela4071]

YESSSS

[@marciarose9656]

@@colleenlally-ross7105 in Ohio aggravated murder is the same charge as capital murder in other states. It carries the death penalty.

[@mindymiljour4672]

@@bodhi1462 not true at all

[@candacecooley9854]

They are damned if they do and damned if they do not. Look up how many people harass CPS over them just investigating suspicious parents. 9 of 10 times drug addicted parents do not kill their children. It takes a sick person to do that. I agree that something has to happen but unfortunately there’s no way to be able to tell who is sick enough to harm a baby this way.

[@shamina1908]

These defense attorney wants to hammer in that the father was ok to have the child and the social workers in the hospital didn't document he wasn't. Well look idiot, he got the baby and he is dead. So no the dad wasn't a good person for this poor child.

[@andreaturnquist4855]

Thank you! Real talk!

[@heathertackett7956]

Exactly..at this point any screenings for dad are irrelevant, he was blind to the abuse from his wife then helped her dispose of their son. Drug use or not he wasn't fit!

[@andreaturnquist4855]

@@heathertackett7956 True!

[@jennifers.3818]

he was supposed to keep the mothet away from the baby. they're idiots if they really thought he was going to keep her away when they came in together, were living together and in a relationship at time of birth

[@andreaturnquist4855]

@@jennifers.3818 Red flags!

[@julsjewels3185]

Shockingly , it was the hospital who stepped in to do the right thing and the defense is questioning it?? Look where this ended up! Why is she wasting the courts time!

[@marycanfield8654]

That's her job.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

I don't know why the pos parents didn't take a plea.

[@Wanderingnomad2829]

Amen why are they wasting tax payers money for these monsters

[@Jessica-zm9bs]

Defense attorney doesn’t have a leg to stand on in this case. These parents are monsters.

[@novascotiaskater1868]

Jessica Mendez there are two defense attorneys, one for Jessica and one for Daniel and yes....the parents are monsters...I agree

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

Why wasn't the older son removed as well? Not that it made ANY difference to this poor baby...

[@erinm3980]

I thought Daniel’s defense atty provided good representation. She did the best she could for what she was working with.

[@promise372]

@@colleenlally-ross7105 I think because the older son was over the age of 12 or 13, I can't remember what the age limit is but it's one or the other, I believe he was 14 correct?

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

@@promise372 yes I believe that is jr's age. One question is driving me nuts! How in the heck did Jessica buy all these drugs she was on? Did the DA ask? I mean : meth, morphine, fentanyl etc. Ain't cheap! Also did Ms. Kraft the social worker lose her job? She should be in jail!! No wonder she didn't want to be on camera!!

[@belindap868]

Defense wants this dad to just walk away! He is just as responsible! Sounds like this lil-angel was treated like nothing about him mattered to these SICKENING PARENTS!! Heartbreaking!!!

[@susansehorn2412]

Whatever Works... She's going to testify, why wouldn't he distance himself from her? It's all a game anyway... who ever plays the game better wins. Our Courts are a farce, because of lawyers looking at them as a loss or win, not someone's entire life. Put yourself in his shoes, then maybe you can understand, its all a game.

[@seriouslythough3581]

These two hospital social workers need a raise!! Sadly they were the only ones with social services to actually do their job and take care of the child.

[@greenpeas154]

Yes, they did the right thing for Dylan, thanks God for at least 12 days in a loving home. Why the CPS failed badly???

[@denkat2010]

Another CPS failure. It's the same, all over the country. We always hear about how over worked and under paid these people are. I raised 5 children and was over worked and under paid, but I raised them all well and healthy. One look at that baby and the answer was there, he needed to be placed an a home where there was experience dealing with drug dependency. That whole business of keep the "family" together is a load of crap. They are just doing whatever they can to save money, it's always about money. The whole medical profession in this country is going to hell in a hand basket. Tiny babies are allowed to be abused, the elderly are allowed to be abused, and in between, unless you are in jail, where you get excellent care, you are at the mercy of whatever medical care you have access to. This trial is a waste of money, how come they'll spend it on this, but not on the ACTUAL care of a defenseless child. I want to know just how much the state of Ohio is paying to defend these killers.

[@jesscox5049]

Well said!

[@JojoplusBo]

baby Dylan was entitled to a life...guess he was just out of luck with his entitlement. He won’t get a second chance like his so called parents. Will there be justice for him, guess not - he’s dead!

[@aprilcole2916]

"In jail you get excellent care" Yeah Ok. Which jail are you referring to?

[@iwillkillyouamanda]

I agree in some cases but as a CPS worker, you don't just have to worry about five kids. You may be monitoring 30 cases while receiving a new case everyday. We focus on maintaining a family because it has shown to be more traumatic to remove a child than to keep the family together with services in place. It's really a focus on doing the least amount of harm. I can only speak from my experience but money really never played a factor for removal and being positive at birth is definitely an auto removal. The only times I did not remove for that is if they were positive for weed or if there was a sober person that would take care of the child while the parent is in the home.

[@learningtogetherhomeschool7208]

@@iwillkillyouamandawould the nurses talking about how uninteresting the mother was in her baby not be taken into consideration? I realize in the real world there is more of an algorithm to it than common sense or individual judgement, but every nurse said this birth stuck out because of how disinterested the mother was. That raised huge red flags and should have been considered. If a mom is neglecting her newborn in the hospital what is she going to do when no one is looking or there to protect the baby?

[@erinm3980]

For God’s sake why is a drug screen so difficult at this podunk hospital 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@andreaturnquist4855]

Right!

[@bobjolly7795]

no kidding it's incredible..........

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

Half of these social workers don't use proper grammar! So many indian chiefs and yet the baby was killed in the home giving credence to the hospital's fears.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

@@bobjolly7795 these social workers could keep a glass of milk safe

[@rochelleshon306]

Erin M I wondered the exact same thing! Ive tried, but couldn’t come up with one good reason why 🤔😳

[@morewithmandy1050]

So hmmmm... the dad told cps that he had no idea she was on drugs, but said that she didn't go to her prenatal appointments because she was high.... 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@spdiso]

EXACTLY

[@tinamarie1948]

EXACTLY!

[@lettermansgirl90]

I realize this may not be a popular comment. I could never understand anyone who would put an innocent baby in any danger to get high. However I am not an addict. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would want to do that. These people are addicts. Addiction to drugs or alcohol is just that...an addiction. I think there should be more and better addiction and mental health programs out there. It’s a real problem that effects so many people either directly or indirectly. It’s just so sad.

[@lettermansgirl90]

Sara Allison that’s why we need better programs.

[@lettermansgirl90]

Sara Allison With much respect, no one starts out being a drug addict. I think better education with regards to drugs and the consequences of addiction starting young would be helpful to students they age. Trust me, I have no pity for these two child killers! Testimony from the registered nurse that delivered Dylan said she witnesses drug addiction in the maternity ward every day. That’s a problem. So I think just saying there’s no help for those people is a hopeless and tragic statement. Obviously something better needs to be done.

[@promise372]

Drug addicts are one thing. But these "parents" also have an evil inside them. The baby's injuries were to sever and prolonged. They are monsters, drugs are just their excuse

[@lettermansgirl90]

Promiseluv27 I would agree with you.

[@rachela4071]

Key words "right mind" I agree!

[@jennifers.3818]

why is the jury so far away from the witnesses? they're having a hard time hearing. they should have a louder microphone system

[@patchinam9808]

They don’t even have a microphone the lawyer told one witness the microphone is just to record. So stupid. How do they not give them a microphone

[@JG-bi3he]

This trial had neverending mic issue.

[@elizabethvincent7409]

The baby, Dylan, should have remained in foster care, until the parents proved they had got off drugs and alcohol, and their lifestyles, with total needed support, had taken completely appropriate, positive new direction, and healthy pathways. Chronic substance misuse addicts/victims are in need themselves to be looked after, they cannot look after themselves, let alone a defenceless newborn baby. How utterly miserable, for the defenceless baby especially.

[@JustMe-uc1lt]

They had access to support, and had no intention of availing themselves to those services. Dylan should never have been allowed to be in their “care”.

[@joet840]

She's not very articulate for a manager ,always searching for words.

[@sherrybrewer289]

Right?! It was excruciating to listen to.

[@jessisblessed6689]

She sounds like an absolute idiot. And although she was ADAMANT that other children had been removed from "unconfirmed" positives, when she was asked a general number she had NO IDEA. Not even ONE. She was lying. In the end the Hospital did made the right decision with this case. However, in the moment with this case, she was trying to play judge, jury and executioner. I just get very "holier than thou", judgemental vibes from this woman and that is NOT the type of personality that should be in CHARGE of a social worker department. She lacks compassion, understanding, etc. Obviously that doesn't apply in this case, but I wonder how many other people she's self-righteously sneered down on and used her position of power to "punish" for being addicts, too poor, too young, a single mom, homeless, or in whatever way she deems "less than" herself. Ugh. I can't with this pompous, stuttering woman.

[@dianelalonde544]

You can sense the incompetence and the lack of accountability. Disgusting. Everyone in cps keep playing hot potato amongst each other.

[@Wanderingnomad2829]

CPS not professional

[@dorarobertson3608]

It's easy to see problems and solutions while watching a video and then criticize the actions taken.

[@godisreality7014]

@@dorarobertson3608 Would you not agree that evil should be exposed?

[@mandywilson5431]

Why is there even a trial??? Seems like a MAJOR waste of time, money and resources........

[@16watch]

Mandy Wilson , mom is going to say she did it so dad doesn’t get life without parole. But I agree with you. Such a waste of money. Also so sad because so many would have gladly taken the baby that she obviously didn’t want or care about. And mom was once a nurse. Just awful

[@andreaturnquist4855]

Sadly, this is our legal system. It is broken. This child never should have gone home. This baby, Dylan, would be alive if CPS had done their job. They both deserve life without parole!!

[@Guenwhyever]

A man in France killed an elderly Jewish woman, tortured her for hours, and threw her off a balcony. he was found not guilty because he smokes "16 joints a day," so he was unable to comprehend that he was really killing an old woman. Judges/ Juries can be very dumb.

[@Guenwhyever]

@@charliecharlton9782 I never said they were. You're clearly talking about things you don't understand in the slightest. An "extenuating circumstance" can only mitigate punishment, and cannot exempt a criminal from punishment. In the example I gave, his drug use wasn't an extenuating circumstance. Child.

[@waitwhat6882]

guen why calm down, Mr. Ego.

[@mandababy100]

I think drug test should be done in a different way when it comes to children .. that or pee screenings should be done with someone monitoring !

[@jennifers.3818]

usually they are monitored while giving urine. theyre supposed to be. of course there may be counselors who dont

[@melissaandersonblue3524]

In Canada it’s hair follicle testing

[@cherylharrington1186]

Take there blood.

[@clc7763]

Blood test

[@sad-qy7jz]

@@clc7763 costs more, is more dangerous, you need to hire somebody certified to admin needles alone which costs more too as opposed to somebody just standing there while u pee some ppl can’t give blood like come on America won’t pay for most ppls basic needs why would they do that ha

[@RobloxGamer12941]

Wow. Just wow. It's like the hospital trying to fight hardcore for him and not let him go home with his dad and it worked but then CPS failed him yet again after almost failing him when he was first born, and this time succeeded and he died because of their negligence

[@godisreality7014]

Or do CPS know what they are doing?

[@SgtFuckOff]

41:10 These scum bags should not be allowed to pass notes to each other during trial. What could they possibly have to say to each other now? “Hey honey, make sure you look extra sad for the jury!” Or “damn I wish we were high right now!”

[@juliacastellanos7764]

Lol, r?

[@lynnmoore7029]

Can you tell me what that small box looking thing is on the table that these 2 scum bags are using is? i thought maybe they are alerting everyone that they are passing notes. IDK

[@amandaengelman5168]

I know this defense attorney isn't sitting here trying to make it look like that social worker did something wrong in insiting that Dylan not go home with these people.

[@cbudzyn]

The manager can’t understand or relate in court drug screen positive/negative/or unconfirmed, what’s wrong with you??? This lady should’ve been terminated immediately.

[@c.for0125]

The manager advocated that the baby be REMOVED from father's custody. I feel like a bunch of people aren't grasping that *swoosh* over your head

[@fiolds350]

@@c.for0125 thats what she says now

[@c.for0125]

@@fiolds350 I don't understand your point. The hospital social workers refused handing custody over to father despite CPS creating a bs safety plan. They held Baby Dylan until the lab could confirm the results to accommodate the stupidity of CPS to grasp the new verbage of the screening. Because of the hospital social workers, Baby Dylan went into foster care. CPS persuaded a judge to remove Baby Dylan from foster mom Ms. Bowling and return Baby Dylan to father's custody. The hospital social workers did their job. They did it well and their #1 priority was Dylan's safety. CPS failed this baby, not the hospital

[@c.for0125]

@@fiolds350 she doesn't have to "say" anything. There's documentation...ie the date of Dylan's release to foster mom is AFTER CPS safety plan date that investigator Johnson created. Which means, CPS created a safety plan for the hospital to release Dylan to father and the hospital REFUSED. These are facts supported by evidence

[@countycalling]

@@c.for0125 these undereducated commenters don’t know how it works. The case manager has no real say in the outcome, it’s not their job to decide where the child goes. A judge decided it as normal

[@vickiekasafirek9096]

His defense attorney needs to uncross her arms and sit down. When they did finally let Dillion go home with his father look what happen.

[@godisreality7014]

I´m wondering how often a newborn goes home alone with its father. Is that not rare?

[@EASTSIDERIDER707]

Looks like everyone but the parents did their due diligence to ensure the child’s welfare.

[@andreaturnquist4855]

The hospital tried very hard. CPS, should not have returned Dylan. This baby was failed by the system first then murdered by his so called parents. Tragic!

[@donnaengel6413]

No one at CPS did any due diligence or this child would never have been returned to his parents! You must be legal counsel for CPS to think otherwise.

[@beardedloon77]

Were you watching a different trial unclehank?

[@megandevellis6399]

Bless these women for trying to protect baby Dylan

[@pridenprejudice2004]

Why are these defense lawyers taking exception to the hospital social workers disagreeing with CPS's safety plan of releasing the baby to the father? It has no bearing on the case. The baby ended up with the parents and died. It only serves to confirm that the hospital social work department's fears were valid. Seems like a stupid strategy.

[@cassibarton2449]

pridenprejudice2004 I know, I feel like they wasted a lot of time on that. CPS, nurses and social workers were the only good in that baby’s short life.

[@cortney3798]

I think they were trying to show prejudice against the dad because the 1st 2 nurses definitely had it (justifiably but still there)

[@toxicgerl]

Mandatory Birth control and a license to procreate, should be REQUIRED BY ALL HUMANS on this planet. It is the children that suffer the parents.

[@alliechampagne1404]

Completely agree.

[@kathleenl2866]

At 38:52, after being questioned about why she didn't change her mind and allow dad to take baby home she talks about her team and trusting her team, and I REALLY wanted her to add ". . . and clearly they were right."

[@novascotiaskater1868]

I may bring down the wrath of cyber sleuths and social media justice warriors but here are my thoughts: 1. Addiction is a disease. Addiction is a vicious and deadly habit that is incredibly difficult to battle and getting clean because you find out your pregnant is brutal and requires a massive amount of self control and a will that most addicts don’t have. Having said that, it’s horribly selfish that Jessica didn’t find a way to stop using during and after her pregnancy. 2. CPS are terribly overworked, over loaded and under paid as well being woefully understaffed and lacking massive financial resources. 3. I believe CPS did the best they could given the restrictions and policies they have to use as guidelines. 4. I don’t blame the medical staff or CPS for what happened to Baby Dylan. The only people responsible for Dylan’s tragic and preventable death is the two lying manipulative selfish and pathetic junkies sitting at the Defense table.....

[@dianesullivan5521]

All true, but the parents, if they couldn’t get clean, could have requested that Dylan stay with the foster parents permanently. But we’re talking about irresponsible addicts, which is why CPS should have stepped in and taken him out of that home for good. Major CPS reform is needed!

[@JMac-27]

My opinion is one that all your opinions are incorrect

[@godisreality7014]

@@dianesullivan5521 Absolutely. The mother did not want Dylan and denied the pregnancy for the longest time. She made an addict out of Dylan before he was even born. Andrea Bowling would have taken care of him and treated him well, but the mother would not have it. What an egomaniac.

[@natashadefoe7035]

Foster dad always lookin' like he about to jump over the banister and take care of business.

[@noahakanoeytheballpython4473]

Which one is the foster dad?

[@tinamarie1948]

@@noahakanoeytheballpython4473 right, who is he?

[@britth5333]

There is no reason this baby should have been returned to these monsters. With their behavior at the hospital it should have been way harder for them to get the baby back! It’s so horrible. Someone dropped the ball that killed that baby along with the parents.

[@robmullin1128]

It’s important to note that when CPS refers a family to an outside resource it is either 100% mandated by the court in preliminary hearings.Also if referrals made to outside resources by CPS are left voluntary and the parents do not follow through you can bet that the family court judge will take that into consideration when determining placement.

[@LisaW509]

The system completely failed this poor baby. 😭

[@fiolds350]

Cps is publicly funded. They let this kid go home to his parents. But good parents who smoke pot after hours get their kids taken

[@catherinesanders1111]

The prosecutor is amazing ❤️

[@susansehorn2412]

Whoever Amanda Burchett works for, that Agency should be shut down.

[@fiolds350]

Yep

[@lexirae5236]

She’s a social worker for the hospital. Can I ask why you think they should be shut down?

[@susansehorn2412]

@@lexirae5236 If you are asking me that question my answer is: Because this should not have happened to this child and they failed to reach the standard of keeping this child safe. Period.

[@lexirae5236]

@@susansehorn2412 I believe that the hospital social services department did what they could. I feel like CPS failed him. Not the social services at the hospital. Just my opinion though

[@susansehorn2412]

@@lexirae5236 Anyone involved in that child's life from the moment he took his 1st breath failed him.

[@lorriof6737]

The very first thing I thought after the drug positive was read in court, a drug Buffett ;( This woman took anything she could get her hands on, while pregnant and stated she didn’t need help with getting off of drugs. WOW JUST WOW!

[@tinamarie1948]

It's called, denial, pretty much

[@whisperflame427]

Man even their lawyers are cringe worthy. I am so saddened things like this happen. R.I.P baby Dylan.

[@juliaivanitskiy269]

Omg, right?! Her attorney irritates the heck out of me, tries to intimidate the witnesses by discrediting their actions, like SIR YOUR CLIENT is the one who's on trial here, maybe try and go a different route in terms of strategy?! And his attorney was just a repetitive parrot to Jessica's attorney, it was annoying and predictable to watch.

[@GRILLZxxx]

That social worker looks so miserable n it’s like she cant be bothered to talk

[@warialdasue]

She’s hard to understand

[@southernohio3541]

c.p.a. will hear a rumor from anyone and will come to your house knock on your door not ask for identification for whoever opens the door and take the word of that person of who he is.Then when the real parent calls them back who has raised said child for 17 years ask why they were there,CPA WILL NOT SAY OR WHO SAID WHATEVER ABOUT SAID SITUATION..CPA HAS SEVERAL EMPLOYERS WHO SHOULDNT BE WORKING FOR THAT AGENCY...NOW THEY GOT Caught not asking questions

[@andreaturnquist4855]

I have had DCFS involvement. This is very very true. I am an alcoholic and they were all over me. I never ever put my children in harm's way. I don't spank, yell, or neglect my children. These cases make me feel like vomiting.

[@waitwhat6882]

Andrea Turnquist if you are an alcoholic you are harming your child if not physically, mentally and emotionally. If you are an alcoholic you provide a toxic and unhealthy environment for children. What’s to say that you wouldn’t / didn’t drive while drunk with your kids in the car? Please! My MOTHER is an alcoholic, I KNOW what damage that did to me, my sibling and my parents’ marriage. stop blaming CPS for your behavior.

[@rochelleshon306]

I’m getting caught up on this case. Can someone please tell me where I could find the discovery, interrogations, ect.? Thanks.

[@crohniequeenab]

Google

[@laceyjade9834]

It’s all public record, but this entire trial is also on a playlist that includes the interrogations

[@LisaHancockGuthrie]

What is so difficult about using the correct past and simple conjugation of “see”?

[@patriotbella]

I know! Perverted grammar is running rampant....Drives me nuts.

[@andreaturnquist4855]

@@patriotbella I was raised by a teacher and a salesman. This is like nails on a chalkboard! My parents corrected me redundantly. I thank them now.

[@andreaturnquist4855]

Gave and given as well. These are college educated people. Dear God!

[@patriotbella]

Lisa Hancock Guthrie ....and don’t even mention “could of” instead of “could have,” etc. Here’s my all time favorite: “I should of went with him....” Oh, good grief.

[@Burningheartcelosia]

patriotbella thats dialect more than grammar. Or dialect affecting grammar. I’m sure there is a proper term for this

[@golden49]

The mom just looks annoyed with the whole situation. Glad she ended up behind bars....

[@Kyra_of_Kerkyra]

She looks like she'd take a nap

[@juliaivanitskiy269]

@@Kyra_of_Kerkyra she's a narcissistic woman, I mean look at her husband, he seriously looks scared of her. I have this feeling like she manipulated him into getting rid of poor baby Dylan. Sick itch, she's going to get it in prison. Karma will get her in there for sure.

[@Kyra_of_Kerkyra]

That guy with a chewing gum at the back should have been removed. What a way to behave in court

[@tinamarie1948]

@Radana yesss! I AGREE! it's just PLAIN IGNORANT!

[@brighterdayjenn8579]

At this moment I feel that the defense is trying to place responsibility on Children Service but at the same time why shouldn't the hospital allow Daniel to have Dylan earlier. Since Jessica was not going to at the home with Dylan. What is the defense trying to do? What difference does these points matter now? I do fell CS needs to be held accountable for the death of Dylan on their own. Not represented as the key villain in this case. Jessica & Daniel are the villains, are the reason baby Dylan was killed and wrapped/dropped in a well.

[@JustMe-uc1lt]

You’re correct, but their lawyers are legally bound to mount the best défense possible. Clearly, they’re trying to mitigate the parents’ culpability. It’s absurd, I know, but sadly that’s how the legal system works.

[@Jessica_Crease87]

Clearly CPS is just as guilty in my eyes! They were willing to send the baby with the dad!!!! ARE U KIDDING ME!!!! The hospital is the only ones who seemed to care at all!!!! Multiple failures for this poor poor innocent baby!!!

[@brianmalone5006]

Can the first witness slow down

[@JMac-27]

no way I had to up the speed to 1.75 because everyone is so slow!!

[@Ashley__Rose]

Unfuckingbelievable that CPS was like yeah baby is good to go home. I hope they’re held accountable but they most likely will not be.

[@runningamok]

*QUESTION PLEASE* Can someone please tell me what the machine is on the table in front of Jessica Groves? She pressed a button and a light came on (the machine) and, a few seconds later, someone handed her a tablet of paper ... is the machine some sort of "call" button ..? Thank you for your help! I wouldn't even know how to Google this question. LOL Peace. RIP little Dylan. My heart hurts thinking about you. :-(

[@JenJen-eh1sn]

It’s a microphone she/he mutes when their attorney’s speak for privacy. Judge has the same and also the prosecution as well.

[@runningamok]

@@JenJen-eh1sn Thank you! :-) At one point, Jessica Groves pressed that button and someone handed her a legal tablet and I thought, _"whaaaaat ..? they have a "call button" in that court???"_ LOL Peace to you, Jen Jen.

[@JenJen-eh1sn]

@@runningamok no problem! I would die if they had a call button for those two jerks lol. Like, you murdered your 2 month old baby boy get up and get your own legal tablet......I have a horrible sense of humor sometimes sorry. I actually went to Northwest high school with both Jessica and Daniel, but didn’t really ever interact with either of them. I grew up in Mcdermott which is scioto county and know exactly where the 2 lived on mt hope rd. I actually travel that road when visiting my sis in Rarden. I however made my escape from that sad depressing drug ridden county straight out of school, but I do visit often because most of my immediate family still lives there.

[@sassyjessi6129]

Who on earth would take drugs while pregnant!?!? 🤦🏼‍♀️ That poor baby!!!

[@BlueMomeRath]

an ADDICT

[@brittniesteele6146]

You'd be surprised

[@mehekshafie4744]

Lots of mothers. Not all are potential killers. Just like babies born to non addict mothers.

[@jewelsgrl]

The social workers at the hospital were so well-spoken and professional compared to the social worker (Patricia Craft) with CPS during testimony!

[@chelleglenney156]

Jessica's attorney creeps me out. Yikes.

[@juliaivanitskiy269]

Yes!! Me too!!

[@reallymariah894]

These defense attorneys don’t seem to listen to the direct examination. Not good listeners.

[@jackieblue1490]

So CPS was gonna let the baby leave with dad? Wow

[@rosesmith6925]

It's disgusting to anyone would even think about sending home a newborn with the father no matter what his test results were. After all this man was supposedly oblivious his wife was ever high in any way throughout her pregnancy. Apparently not very observant to be a reliable caregiver to a newborn.

[@lionswimmer4637]

Seriously? Social Services actually trusts the reporting of the parent as to whether they use drugs? Drug abusers do not report truthfully!

[@taitorani7469]

Kristin don't project her voice when she speaks. Mumble mumble like she's chatting with her friends at the coffee shop, probably speaking too fast

[@jennifers.3818]

I believe shes very nervous. her neck, chest, and face are very flushed

[@iwantthe80sback59]

She was also very fidgety and couldn’t sit still. I’m sure it was nervousness but it got on my nerves.

[@iamHis888Heismine]

Why not add some better microphones and speakers in this court room? Good grief!

[@susansehorn2412]

This Female Lawyer for Daniel Groves is Good. She drilled home the fact Amanda didn't do her job properly in documentation of the child not going to the Father.

[@fiolds350]

Agreed. She seems like a good attorney

[@checkyourhead9]

He didn't have that job for over a year, yet cps let him take the baby against the hospitals judgement because He had a job. How hard is it to call and check?

[@houseofhale]

What is that thing that the defendant puts her hand on that turns green when she touches it and then red when she's not touching it? What is it for?

[@luvmypuppies6]

I'm wondering too.

[@denisemoore4000]

This social worker has a real issue speaking clearly and enunciating her words. She also talks like she's an aspiring auctioneer.

[@MooonChild711]

Ohio is weird.

[@wasprobablychad9276]

Agreed. Poorly spoken and not even trying to be clear and audible as she was asked to do so. Very smug.

[@darlenetravis6310]

I say eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth.... No baby should die with Monsters like this how alful.. baby's are gifts from God....

[@loradurling2358]

They did not care to see the child after birth so the child should not have been given to them. Terrible mistake that cost The life of the baby.

[@openmindz4628]

Why didn't anyone check up weekly (at minimum) that the Mother wasn't in the home. Was the older son ever interviewed before the baby was killed? So sad, so unnecessary.

[@heathertackett7956]

So..how many days was the child in the home before she managed to kill him? March 18th to the 28th?

[@gemini6166]

Jan 28th or 29th to March 28th when he was murdered and left dead in the home until March 30th or 31st when he then was taken n dumped into the Spring Well on the home property.

[@amandamarie740]

Thank god for these nurses. If it weren’t for them baby Dylan wouldn’t have felt any love from that saint of a woman who was his foster mother. CPS needs to be held responsible. They fail so many children.

[@angelwings197275]

Smh...Daniel Sr's attorney is so annoying, why hound the hospital social worker staff when they obviously were right in not wanting the baby to be placed in the home with the father!?

[@pamelakay3748]

The social work supervisor is a HORRIBLE witness. She seems confused as far as the policy/procedures go.

[@deniselopez6585]

I understand that CPS always tries to return children to their families, however, at some point the system needs to change. Returning kids to their parents is often more dangerous to the child. This is happening more and more. Family services returns these kids, wipes their hands of the situation, and the children are killed. It is time to retrain these workers.

[@LammasDeluge]

I would argue that if CPS cannot be bothered to properly monitor the home situation after returning a child (in this case, making absolutely sure that the mother had another living arrangement separate from the father AND confirming that the father had childcare set up for when he had to work so that he would not be tempted to rely on the unfit mother), then CPS better not return children to the family.

[@jennadollface]

social workers all have blood on their hands for giving baby Dylan back to parents with drug addiction and past problems (their older son who was removed from them ) they should of left baby Dylan with foster mother who give love and care of what he needed and he would be alive today. Too many people failed to protect poor baby Dylan .how sad this is he didn't have a chance in life. I have watched the full case and I have cried for baby Dylan and I am sure I won't forget this. RIP baby Dylan may God watch over you and protect you x x

[@noahakanoeytheballpython4473]

Me too!😭

[@lorriof6737]

And we wonder why baby Dylan was killed? The baby was going thru severe withdrawal and the parents were irritated and just wanted to get HIGH. You

[@lauriemyers3]

I will be honest...I don’t know much about the logistics of CPS, but I DO know that their main job is protecting children. I also understand that it is a government agency. As with any career, I’m sure different CPS workers take their job more seriously than others. That being said, lately I have become aware of what seems to be negligence on the part of CPS. This case is one of them. Sophie Long is another case. For baby Dillon, he DID have an advocate for him in the form of the nurses and social workers at this hospital. Kudos to them!!

[@dragonfly8971]

Check out cps case in Abilene Texas. The mother was military spouse. She was having an affair and locked baby in bedroom. Died in its own excrement. They tore up our CPS workers. Firings. Hearings. Big deal

[@lauriemyers3]

That sounds equally horrific! What makes my heart break is that there are people who would give a limb to have a child. These neglected children could be loved, adored, and cherished. I just wish there was an easier, legal way for these kind of parents (the ones that see a child as a burden and don’t want them) to just relinquish the child without any question at all. I know there are “safe places” where people can drop a child off, supposedly no questions asked, but even in those situations the anonymity of the parent leaves so many questions about the child left unanswered, i.e., medical history, genetic history.

[@kimwhitney3453]

I've been following this trial and defense attorneys Scott and Stratton have to be two of the worst I have ever seen. Dumb and dumber.

[@kimwhitney3453]

Picking apart and attacking professionals who are clearly more intelligent than you is suicide by your client. And when your client is guilty AF and you know it, you're gonna burn right along with that trailer trash.

[@MooonChild711]

...yes, and THANK GOD for that!

[@warialdasue]

Correct

[@mehekshafie4744]

Not really. They highlighted the incompetence of cps and others.

[@prissypants2336]

I'm afraid that the defense will try to lean toward the state being at the fault being on the state for giving sending that bz y home to a drug addicted mother in the first place. Which I believe it is greatly on their shoulders...social service's dropped the ball here. That mother may get out of it.....she'll say she was insane on drugs. Dad will definitely serve time......all 3 are guilty here

[@andreaturnquist4855]

Yes!!!

[@novascotiaskater1868]

The mother is actually more culpable then the father, she has actually stated she killed the baby while Daniel was passed out on the couch.....

[@andreaturnquist4855]

@@novascotiaskater1868 That is true! However, having followed true crime cases for a long time, I, myself, have been shocked many times by the verdict!

[@dianesullivan5521]

I’ve watched a few similar trials..different states. In each one, CPS was culpable! We need major reform...probably in every state. Should be a priority but it doesn’t seem to be.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

@@dianesullivan5521 then make sure to vote!! These politicians cut social services in order to cut spending and taxes!! This is what an overworked, underfunded department looks like. I've yet to hear how many cases Ms. Kraft had at one time. How many kids died on her watch etc. She dropped the ball the hardest! As Ms. Krafts JOB DUTY was to ensure all parties involved where in compliance with case plan. If she had CALLED dad's "job" she would've learned that was a lie and the rest of it!

[@susanseely6146]

CPS allows these monsters to have their babies..but they take children that are disciplined..makes me sick

[@laurafedora5385]

CPS dropped the ball big time

[@Thewordofgod4040]

thorough the book at these sick people

[@Thewordofgod4040]

@Ew, David! Yes

[@stephenfox8685]

Why does Groves even have a defense? They've no case on every level. They just go through the motions like space filler. You'd think it was a penalty trial.

[@dra2521]

In normal cases that baby would not have been given back to the parents, at least not so quickly. The baby was born with drugs in his system. There should have been no legal way that baby was returned to the birth parents.

[@sad-qy7jz]

This social worker working at the hospital has an MSW (6+ years of school and training, very rigorous internship portion)- the other working for CPS didn’t even have a bachelors degree in social work, just an associates.. and she was a CASE WORKER. That’s a LOT of time and responsibility... why is somebody with a master.s degree in the field referring cases to somebody with an associates degree in the field??! I think it’s so wild you can be a case worker without a MSW and license line you need to be a therapist that’s so crazy to me

[@nannykat1057]

'inspector case worker' Johnson needs to be investigated.... WHY would you NOT remove a baby from a drug home???

[@donnaengel6413]

This woman has a Master’s in Social Work? I’d be hard-pressed to believe it without seeing valid proof. She certainly doesn’t seem to have the educated speech, demeanor, or tenacity that should be required for a MSW... and if she does, the bottom line to child advocacy seems to be shuffling responsibility along with the paperwork. Sad.

[@JustMe-uc1lt]

It’s the same with the case worker who worked the case. A complete dunce. Standards of education must be awfully low in that part of the world.

[@marielaveau5321]

I used to work at the University near me and you would not believe some of the professors I encountered. I worked in the Sociology department and I honestly think some of them study society because they have no idea how to function IN it.

[@Fern635]

I've been thinking about going back to school to study social work, after a long spell of being a stay-at-home mom, but I've been plagued by self-doubt after being out of the workforce for so long. Watching the social workers in this trial has given me renewed confidence 🤣.

[@Fern635]

@@marielaveau5321 a bit y t y y y f3 yes y y þt getf f3

[@donnaengel6413]

@@Fern635 You can do it! 💕

[@joeymarie72]

She is talking wayyyy too fast for a jury to keep up.

[@guitardiva2]

Get a microphone for this court room - geeze!!!

[@elisabethhays2272]

Uncross your arms, defense lady.

[@freedombirth5255]

She needs to stop cutting off the questions.

[@gingerdavis5420]

Can someone explain the kidnapping charge? I must of missed something about it.

[@godisreality7014]

I think the father was charged with kidnapping because his urine test was rigged (it was his son´s urine). The reason he was allowed to take Dylan from the foster mother, Andrea Bowling, after 12 days was because "his" urine was clean. Therefore, he kidnapped the child.

[@mirimiriela480]

They're trying so hard to make this point that the father was not on drugs and had passed his drug screening and was therefore safe for the baby to go home with. Is it supposed to comfort me that the father made his terrible decisions while (allegedly) sober?

[@HopelessSinner]

It was later revealed that he had been using 'clean' urine provided by his 15 year old son to cheat the drug tests...!

[@sunnysky4513]

Exactly!! He was having his 14 year old son pee for him!! They’re both equally guilty.

[@carolynsears1710]

Does anyone know where this happened?

[@edwardschwenk3100]

This occurred in 2019, within Scioto County, in the state of Ohio. When they speak of S.O.M.C. , they are referring to the Southern Ohio Medical Center in Portsmouth, Ohio.

[@Cherrythegreatwcue]

I’m a little confused, why on earth would the defense attorneys think it was ok to send baby Dillon home with dad when that is what they did and that poor child ended up dead. He was unable to protect the child he knew she was high during the pregnancy and still CPS failed.

[@lucygarcia9809]

That baby should not have been given to the parents. They needed to investigate this more before releasing that baby.

[@godisreality7014]

The 12-day long foster mother, Andrea Bowling, told CPS that the mother was probably on drugs.

[@janetmcfarland4567]

I have seen a lot of kids gets murdered on the news and courts TV and but this is the worse one I have seen when I was in jail back when I lived in Tulsa Oklahoma there was a young girl she was arrested for smoking a joint before giving birth at home then after baby was born she went jail that was all she talked about was her newborn baby This mom didn't want her baby when a teacher wanted the baby she killed him

[@godisreality7014]

I see it the same way. The wicked mother denied her son life after she gave birth to him as a drug addict.

[@cathybrown8334]

So the addict doesn’t respond CPS just doesn’t do a thing?

[@ddbears3686]

I don’t know how this chick a.k.a. social worker has a job? Just say yes or no!? They Tell her to speak up! She acts like she’s listening then talks faster an continues to talk the same .. I would not want her at my business or around kids ever. She doesn’t seem like she’s well educated on anything. Yikes...

[@deborahprkn]

Didn't she say she had a Master's? I was surprised to hear that.

[@loradurling2358]

Never put a child in the hands of drug addicts .

[@marcycruise9362]

My child was born without drugs in his system but I did use late into my pregnancy. I was a full blown heroin addict. I am a recovering addict coming up on 4 years in October. My son was a NAS baby. (Withdrawal Symptoms). They were mild but he was a success story. My son remained in my custody because I earned that right. Today I work for the agency that introduced me to recovery. I am a Certified Peer Support Specialist. I help support pregnant and parenting women going through the process of recovery. My son has no lasting damage from drug exposure today. He is happy, healthy, completely normal and loved. My point here you may ask? You are comparing apples and oranges. Not every case is the same. Not all people are the same. She could have made a change and done something with herself like I did. Don't get me wrong. I know EXACTLY how lucky I am. But I also know how hard I worked. Drug users aren't bad. They need help. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DRUG USER/ ADDICT AND A MURDERER. Her blaming it all on the drugs and that she didn't mean it and can't remember is crap. People make mistakes on drugs but you don't murder people and forget it. You can't put it all on the drugs here.

[@robmullin1128]

The scary thing is that it is CPS protocol to release a child to a parent that tests negative while tue other parent us to leave tue home here in New York State. I saw it a lot during my short time as a Case Planner with CPS ongoing services.

[@corazoncubano5372]

The defense had a tough road defending these 2 looser fiends. They gave the best defense they possibly could for the accused. Also the fact that Daniel claims to not have known about Jessica's drug use (a cold lie by the way), makes his judgement suspect. He lied on and off the stand. The jury was right in finding him guilty as well. His lawyer says Daniel is planning on filing an appeal. He needs not waste anymore of the courts time with that foolishness.

[@jennifers.3818]

If he didn't know then hes a damn fool and not suitable to raise a child

[@mindymiljour4672]

I see you are one of those who enjoys giving away the outcome on videos of day 1 of a trial. Lame. 🙄

[@TheWeiner4]

He was also actively using drugs no doubt she was actually influenced by his use there seems to be some confusion about that here simply because he cheated a simple urine scan at the hospital

[@LammasDeluge]

What really weirds me out is the fact that all of the hospital staff said Daniel confessed to having seen Jessica do heroin 2 days before the birth and yet the defense is trying to claim he had no knowledge of her drug use?

[@shelbydn6187]

It was also a huge red flag that the nurse testified that he told them the mom was too high to go to pre natal appointments. So clearly he knew about it.

[@themamachar]

They both need to go to prison. But the sad thing is our government is ok with killing millions of babies. God is the ONLY one who will bring justice to these precious babies. And He will!!!

[@godisreality7014]

Abortion is "legal" in the US and there is a reason for that.

[@RobloxGamer12941]

Seems like only the hospital staff cared about what happened to little baby Dylan. We can surely know that CPS couldn't have cared less because they took him out of foster care in less than 2 weeks and sent him back with the dad based on drug tests that weren't even done in front of CPS workers and they should have been. They should have known that they were a bunch of junkies and using other people's pee to pass them. Now the poor baby got murdered because of CPS and these monsters Daniel and Jessica