Growing Characters with SUPER Stats | Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions Tutorial

[@finalfantasycozytactics3094]

I love that you’re giving this game attention! FFT is the best 😍

[@TacticsLive]

AGREED!! Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy the content! 🙏

[@darkxipher1908]

I’ve played through this game so many times over the years and you’ve taught me so much that allows me to keep playing and applying different styles

[@TacticsLive]

😍 This is made my day to read, thank you for stopping by and checking out the content, DK! So glad to see other players reliving the joy of playing FFT in new ways. 🙌

[@darkxipher1908]

@@TacticsLive just wanted to show my appreciation for what you’re bringing to the game and I look forward to more great content in the future.

[@KodakYuKnwDat]

It was surprisingly hard to find a good description of this on KZbin so thank you for this!

[@TacticsLive]

Sure thing Kodak, and thank you for checking out the channel! 🙏

[@erikpearson5310]

Thanks for explaining this. I've been playing FFT casually since it came out and never knew about these deeper stat mechanics

[@DevilGamerTim]

Just starting up the game again. Thanks for a refresher! Starting the first town battle with my chems squires and Delita. 👍

[@TacticsLive]

Best feeling right here, the world is your oyster, Tim! 👐 I have plans for a very focused playthrough coming up that is geared to optimize my stat growth on Ramza. It may not be super dramatic, but I do anticipate having higher stats by the time I reach endgame versus a normal playthrough where I change jobs all the time. Hope to see you along for the ride, and good luck in your fresh adventure!

[@DevilGamerTim]

@@TacticsLive I would definitely love to watch your play along! Zodiac Brave

[@infiniteaaron]

You've improved greatly since the start of this channel! You're so much more positive. The editing is ON POINT as well! Keep being awesome! Shavua tov.

[@TacticsLive]

Thank you for the kind words RK! Glad to see you buddy, and hope the new year is treating you well so far! 👋

[@infiniteaaron]

Going back to your improvement, I've already said it, 7 months ago, you're doing fantastic with building this channel. Almost to 2k (1.92k)! It's clear this is actually becoming enjoyable for you, rather than when you first started where it was more just a hobby and may not have been as enjoyable to share your thoughts. Thank you for sharing! Edit: I know we've talked about the name you have. I was curious if you have thought about shortening it to "Tactics Live" instead, just for the ease of searchability. Tournament is a long word and doesn't seem to really have much validity in the overall point of the channel.

[@infiniteaaron]

Thank you again for sharing this! You're awesome. I hope you'll soon be back, even for small things.

[@henrybuchanan9945]

Hopping back in the game after a decade and I was so confused with almost every guide I got. Thank you for this helpful video!

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

It should be noted that unique characters almost always have much better stats and growth on their job that replaces Squire. Yes, that includes Ramza. That means getting Ramza, Agrais, Cid, Beowolf, and possibly Balthier to 99 on their base job is optimal.

[@Protoman20xx99]

Can confirm. Played this game countless times and that holds true

[@Jamthe]

Not for Agrias, her growth bounuses are flat

[@genericsavings]

@@Jamthe I’m leveling her up and it’s not that it’s flat, it’s just that she’s overshadowed by the likes of Cid & male counterparts. I’m doing it now, and she has excellent HP bonus, and decent magic power bonus. Her attack is okay & speed is average. I have tynar rogue equipped & iaido to mitigate her shortcomings.

[@maxinehell1394]

nah only for some character balthier, reis and to some extend maybe orlandeu or meliadul the rest you go with ninja, simply because 2 or 3 point speed do make different than 3 point pa/ma if you going to do delevel trick then i guess it didnt matter as long you dont leveling up with chemist/dancer or bard

[@jedirayden]

Best uniques to level in their base classes are Orlandeau, Meliadoul, Beowulf, Reis (human) and Cloud. All of them will get good growth in HP, PA and except for Meliadoul, MA as well. Some a bit better than others of course but still better than average. Balthier has excellent speed and HP growth in his base job, but just average PA growth. Agrias should absolutely be leveled up as a Ninja (Speed/PA) or Knight or Dragoon (HP/PA for both jobs). Her base class has a great HP modifier for final stats but just average growth stats across the board. So for growing her PA, Speed or HP, you're better off going Knight/Ninja to level up.

[@raamoon87]

Thanks for work on the channel!

[@TacticsLive]

Thank you for watching! 🙏

[@Calvansbagoftricks]

Thanks for the deep dive. I'm gonna try this.

[@TacticsLive]

Awesome, good luck and we'll see you after your "workout"! 💪

[@Calvansbagoftricks]

@@TacticsLive for sure. I'll probably have to start over when I get my PC back. Playing on an android phablet.

[@ysiowns6217]

Very informative 👏

[@pot_of_greed2414]

After watching jasej7 and seen the background gameplays of his characters with 999 stats to brave 97 - faith 0 many months ago about this hidden stats gain topic that I didn't even know exisited until now I've witnessed what the table of context on how to grind for these stats through the de-levling and re-leveling process... Thanks for this content after a year ago that I was searching how to recruit special characters.

[@TacticsLive]

Glad you enjoyed it, it's a pretty interesting feature that you can take advantage of, especially if you're done with the story and just leveling for fun!

[@Hellwolf36]

Fascinating. I knew there was some hidden mechanics and now I see what they are.

[@eduardoaraujo6598]

Man, i did this alots when i was kid and play the PSX FFT, leveling Ramza until level 40 as a Ninja, Deleveling to 1 as Math a few times, them i level him as Mimic to level 10, Delevel as Math (like 3 times), then he become like a "Super Ramza", very high speed, HP and AP, my focus was speed, he was so fast, he even beat Orlandu's speed(Orlandu with Excalibur) on his normal speed.

[@TacticsLive]

Well done! I am looking to undergo the same process to create a Super Ramza of my own for solo-Rendezvous challenges. 💪

[@stormtrooperjon9212]

The delevel relevel trick also works great on specific unique characters, such as Reis (human form). She has the best stat growths in the game as her Dragonkin base class, which you can level up to 99, then delevel back down to 1 as a Dancer. Personally I don't like her base class's abilities, she's probably best suited as a Ninja with Brawler and high Bravery and low Faith.

[@ryanlebeck259]

It would be helpful to see more information on leveling up PA and MA as you delevel and relevel.

[@TacticsLive]

Great suggestion, Ryan, as I think getting a demonstration on what your stats will look like as you level up would offer a clearer picture of what to expect. I do plan on doing some more in-depth discussion on this topic, an Advanced Strategies sort of series, so stay tuned and thanks for the suggestion! 👍

[@Nyzst]

fft is incredible, this channel is amazing, fft is my new favorite rpg

[@TacticsLive]

You're in good company, as we all are passionate about this amazing game. I appreciate the compliments, and glad you commented to express your interest. See you in the next video! 👋

[@infiniteaaron]

Last for this session of watching this particular video. Don't HP/MP stay regardless of whether you de-level, to an extent? Obviously, they lower no matter what. I thought that once you max them out, they'll be maxed at level 99 no matter how you level up.

[@TacticsLive]

If you get the raw stats high enough it will take longer to bring down from max - but I think theoretically your hidden stats can go up infinitely. You got the idea 👍

[@jonathonvoegtli4699]

Started a solo Ramza run and am working on this so I don't over level the storyline to much. I'm not planning on Mac everything but I think like 10 speed at level 1 will be a huge ease to the game without breaking it like having 50 speed

[@TacticsLive]

Wow much respect, that's a huge undertaking! 💪🥲 Thanks for sharing, good luck in your playthrough Jonathon!

[@taipolar333]

Thanks Mikey

[@jonquellesanders409]

Thanks for this video 👍

[@TacticsLive]

Glad I could help, and thank you for checking out the content Jonquelle! 🙌

[@ArkVogel]

Heads up for those playing FFT Tweak. Read the readme file. There are changes to growth stats across the board. For example, you now need to de-level as an Onion Knight, not Bard/Dancer.

[@AlfredoCerpa]

I love this video!!! gracias amigo 😄😄😄

[@TacticsLive]

Awesome! Glad to hear, thanks for watching amigo! 👋

[@igorgamernatalense]

Very good the vídeo! Man, Do you have a video de-leveling and re-leveling ? Another question Do you have a vídeo explaining how to play pvp mode? Does it still work?

[@TacticsLive]

Thanks Igor! I don't have a video with actual leveling to show results, but I do plan on making one in the near future. For PVP you will want to use an emulator and a service to connect you with another user. I recommend ppsspp and zero tier network for these. I do have tutorials on getting set up in an FFT Tutorials playlist, I would start there. 👍

[@igorgamernatalense]

Thanks I will your playlist!@@TacticsLive

[@ninovalenzuela1019]

Need some help confirming stat growths specifically speed Which is more efficient for stat grinding? Deleveling - Releveling 1-99 or 1-50 This mostly due an old forum post about a 1.70(ish) to 1.05(ish) % efficiency claim at speed stat growth at levels 1-50 Rather than going for 1-99 1.70(ish) to 0.85 %(ish) growth (Assumed class used are Ninja lvl up & bard lvl down)

[@infiniteaaron]

Awesome video! I wish they had allowed the Wild Boar trick with the Onion Knight to transfer into WOTL... It sucks to find out about such an amazing stat growth option and then not be able to use it.

[@TacticsLive]

This video was made using FFT:WotL on PSP. I can confirm that the Wild Boar level up trick for Onion Knights works! It is hardly worth the effort, as it will take more than one cycle to get huge stats, but the growth rate is notably higher in some areas.

[@infiniteaaron]

@@TacticsLive Thank you. I more just wanted to be able to SEE the Wild Boar trick. The fact that it isn't even an option sucks...

[@kennwayne2155]

Best process I found for Boar Onion 8 leveling is to have 1 char like agrias who can solo all stages so you can do 3 boars at a time. Still a lengthy process.

[@TacticsLive]

I think you have the right idea to quicken the process, thanks for the tip!

[@shelbytimbrook2095]

Onion Knight was added in WotL if I recall correctly. I don't think it existed in the original.

[@timepassesbye]

So I do have a question in regards to the stat growth. I’ve been doing this for years, and have several characters along the path to max stats, so this is a 2 part question. Do you know how much growth each 1-99 cycle gives per stat? Additionally you mentioned the math behind these, do you know how that works, because I’m not sure I fully understand. As always great videos, very informative. So the numbers I’m using are based off the site, so for arguments sake, I’ll just use speed for squire So 98304 being the raw speed, squire has 100% mod and 100 growth, so if I’m understanding it correctly, the equation should be 98304/1638400 which gives you a value of .06 I’m guessing that’s supposed to be multiplied by 100 because starting speed is 6? Then at level up, you take that 98304/ 101(level and mod) which gives you 973. I m not sure what that value means. Does that get added back onto that initial value and then divided by that large number again to arrive at your actual stat? Furthermore, is that new total value then plugged into the equation in place of the raw value we began with? So playing with some numbers does confirm most of this, and I think that value (1638400) is supposed to be 16384 to give whole numbers consistent with actual stats in the live game. Sort of answered my one question there, but I feel like it’s not a bad thing to go through the math if others want to explore that process. That also indirectly answers my other question, or at least gives me a base to answer that.

[@Kyle_Evans]

Great video, what’s a good resource to find this information in written format?

[@rabbyd542]

I have a Mime at level 30 with 27PA and 999 HP. I deleveled her three times as a Chemist at level 30.

[@fisherj5087]

Even with wild boars it would take several cycles. Plus you need an almost empty roster to breed them efficiently. Much faster with the former method.

[@markneal-yf4hj]

And if we tame the mindflayer can we delevel our characters faster?

[@TacticsLive]

You will need to use a character with the Beastmaster passive skill and have them stand next to the Mindflayer to unlock the ability, but otherwise yes this is a viable option to de-level a unit. 👍

[@ayotebak]

hi, eventhough i played this game countless time, im just aware of this trick, may i ask you a question? so if my ramza as a ninja has 15 speed now, how many delevl and relevel it takes to get to lets say, 30? :) thank you so much..

[@TacticsLive]

There is a levelup simulator for FFT that you can search for online that will give you accurate stat growth to figure out just what you're looking for. Having tried it myself to level Ramza as a Ninja to 99, then delevel to 1 as a Bard, then back again: I gained 2 SP for each delevel and re-level. So, probably a crap ton! 💀

[@ayotebak]

@@TacticsLive wow that will be nice,thank you for your kind reply 👍

[@Bandedcookie]

I want to try this but, having to level as a mime....ugh! Only easy way i see to do it, is level only 3 at a time. Kill all enemies ,but speed and power break the last. Then spam spin punch, potion and chakra to keep the mimes healed and leveling.

[@stoogie375]

I didnt even know FFT had a live tournament... That's really cool

[@TacticsLive]

Thanks for stopping by! The official tournament for this channel is still in the works, hopefully I can wrangle some friends to participate by end of summer so we can share with the community. 👍

[@stoogie375]

@@TacticsLive Oh that's amazing! I'm really shocked at how many people have not played FFT, I think because FF& overshadowed it at the time but I look forward to seeing this happen

[@setiawan2791]

Great explanation. Anyway, does it much faster to leveling certain character to get stat from scratch than to de/releveling?

[@TacticsLive]

Thanks, and no there is no shortcut to super stats. You got to be really committed!

[@JP-dp3kt]

If I wanted to do the wild boar method and only do this once, what is the best way to level ramza with a MA focus?

[@stormtrooperjon9212]

If you only want to do this once, you might as well have Ramza level up then as a Mime also for the PA/MA/Speed. If you really only want MA, then go with a Wizard (Black Mage) or Summoner. I'd recommend the Mime personally though, especially if you ever want a hybrid physical and magical attacking Ramza

[@doblea2]

I hope this is the video you were talking about 😆

[@doblea2]

????... what have to do this with the arithmetician skills??? I read about the traps but also about the arithmetician skills 🧐

[@Gamecapturevideo]

This is the one, I just wouldn't recommend Arithmetics for de-leveling.

[@doblea2]

@@Gamecapturevideo why???? Wiki says enemy arithmetician, but own arithmetician should also works right???? Also, am REALLY NOOB in the game so how often can you fight on the same field, where the trap is located???

[@TacticsLive]

You can re-trigger the same trap - it's best to use the Teleport movement skill and intentionally attempt to move beyond your range so that you keep setting off the trap. Reason you want to use Chemist to de-level is their growth stats are worse, and they aren't as slow as Arithmetician so it makes the grind a little better. 👍

[@doblea2]

@@TacticsLive ehmmm.... i wasn't talking about the arithmeticians for the stats... according to wiki... "The best way to grow stats is to level up in a job with good growth, then de-level through the degenerator trap or enemy abilities as an Arithmetician, then re-level as a good stat growth job." So the arithmetician should have a de-level skill, right? Or that was what i understood. Other thing... "If the character does not have the Treasure Hunter ability or a low enough Bravery stat, traps will cause negative status effects." If i try the trap should i avoid that skill or character with high bravery?

[@SatriaDermawanAuth]

right, i hope anyone can answer me... what level are going down in deleveling? your character level or your job level?

[@TacticsLive]

This is strictly character level, as you get stat increases only from gaining character levels.

[@SatriaDermawanAuth]

@@TacticsLive thank you... so you de level with a certain job, and level as another job to maximized certain skill... so i guess you do this process untill the desire stats maxed out? is it possible to hit level cap without maximizing the desire skill? if that happen? do we repeat the process again?

[@SatriaDermawanAuth]

sorry, i meant stats..

[@TacticsLive]

@@SatriaDermawanAuth Sounds like you have the gist of it, EL! This process is entirely about your stats, and less so about learning abilities from the Jobs. It will take a few cycles of leveling to 99 and de-leveling to 1 then back to 99 again to max out your stats, so be warned this is for the super serious player! 😬

[@soegengsoeprijanto45]

Sorry for being stupid. Do the stat drop when deleveling?

[@TacticsLive]

You're good, it's a strange mechanic at first glance! The stats do go down, yes. This is the reason to de-level with units that have poor growth, so the drop is small. 👍

[@soegengsoeprijanto45]

@@TacticsLive thank you thank you

[@BonkeyDong42069]

Is it possible to get a mind flayer on your roster and level down your team manually

[@stormtrooperjon9212]

Definitely! With a Mediator (Orator), you can Invite (Entice) any of the Squid type enemies, and let them lay eggs. Eventually you'll get a Mind Flayer. You can also directly invite a Mind Flayer if you find one in a random battle

[@eslinleiva3753]

Great video! I’m trying to play final fantasy but I don’t know what to do. Would you recommend playing the original game or the Wolt version and of it is the original would you recommend playing it in a computer?

[@TacticsLive]

If you have access to a PSP with the WotL disc you are in luck and can follow along! The original PSX version does not have multiplayer unfortunately. Otherwise there are mobile versions for both iPhone and Android. I am excited for you to discover the world of Ivalice!

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

Wotl

[@romie5506]

I just started playing the game myself. I started the game on my iphone and switched to the ipad mini. playing it on the ipad is probably the best way i have played it so far. the controls are a bit of a learning curve, as you can scroll up and down list by swiping anywhere and tapping anywhere to enter the command. then directly touching the squares that you wish to select when moving or targeting with a character. There is no control support for the phone versions though :/ hope you enjoy this game as much as i am right now. cant put it down

[@shelbytimbrook2095]

WotL is a remake with things added, just play WotL unless you specifically want the nostalgia of the old translation and glitches (e.g., JP Glitch or duplicate sword glitch).

[@pineapplesmoovey7898]

7:46 this is dark af

[@TacticsLive]

Bacon so good it levels you up! 🥓⬆

[@CVicMagpantay]

After repeated tries, I got 999 HP and About 900+mp but the speed one really does slowly increase and I usually do it with level 99-1-99. Will using Ramza's Tailwind affect the Speed Stat you get if I use it on him he is the one I want to increase the speed off which is now 20 at 99. Also, will the stat growth of his unique Squire class change each time his pictures like how his chapter 1 pic changes in chapter 2 and that changes in chapter 4 Sir? Also does Bequeath Bacon count as a Death Toll or not like poaching your own monsters in battle?

[@TacticsLive]

Squire stat growth doesn't change from chapter to chapter. Bequeath Bacon doesn't count towards gaining kills.

[@CVicMagpantay]

@@TacticsLive k So Ramza's Special Squire stat gain does not change when leveling in it on chapter 1 - 4? Also Where can you farm Wild Boar? What Map and Chapter SIr? Also I can't seem to access the Rendouvous with the PAL Version. Can I not solo that and need at least one more character to do it?

[@wedgewizard5429]

Does it make a difference if your speed is 50 while you are leveling up to gain speed?

[@ninovalenzuela1019]

From what I read NO Raw stats still determines your speed growth So if you starting speed 6 (lvl 1) then it will take longer to level up but as you build up stats you do get the boost Once your base speed stat is at 20 lvl1 (afaik) you will notice your speed stat will increase In growth faster i.e within 3-5 lvl ups 13- 17 is optimal for most generics (17-18 for dragoons jump specifically) past 21 is overkill since you also have haste buff and other speed boosting equipment

[@Eric-jt8yx]

thanks!

[@fukimomikoto1363]

do i have to reach level 99 before de-leveling?

[@TacticsLive]

Hi Fukimo, thanks for checking out the content! You do not need to be lv99 to begin your de-leveling, but waiting until then will give you more noticeable results, and the re-leveling will grant larger bonuses if you go from 99 down to 1 and back again.

[@fukimomikoto1363]

@@TacticsLive thank you so much! I subscribe:)

[@AlteredProf]

This game is bad for my health. I just got out of my "Breed the perfect IV and EV Pokemon for competitive use despite never doing competitive Pokemon" and now you're saying I can have super characters?!

[@TacticsLive]

Haha, everything in moderation! It is pretty interesting to discover how much there is to learn and expand upon in this, and other, game when you look at it through a competitive lens. Even if you aren't competing with your friends it helps buff up your characters for those challenging story battles. Thanks for watching!

[@shelbytimbrook2095]

Moderation is for the weak. Grind those super characters! lol

[@MrAlbafica]

does this work on the psx version?

[@TacticsLive]

I believe so, minus the Onion Knight and Dark Knight.

[@MrAlbafica]

@@TacticsLive awesome video my friend, im doing it as we speak

[@manupino1210]

Does this means that the stats can grow up infinitely, or this trick is more for optimization of the stats? The first lvl up of the characters can be done with any class?

[@TacticsLive]

At a point, the final stats will max out and further accumulation of raw stats will be useless. You are most likely to get 'past' 999 HP as a final stat with your raw stats, but the game won't show it or give you 'extra life'. It will take a loooong time to do this for Speed, PA and MA which all have much slower growth rates (especially Speed), though their maximum final stats are 99. I'm not sure what you mean by your second question, but what I think you might be asking is if you were to de-level down to level 1, can you start with any Job to re-level to 99? The answer to that is yes!

[@Theswazzer]

Max stats isn’t necessary I beat the game without doing this So one cycle would probably suffice for sure

[@astralpesmerga6224]

FFT 2D online with pvp in mobile phone is better ⚔️

[@TacticsLive]

As far as I am aware there is no multiplayer on mobile versions of War of the Lions. That would have made creating this channel a heck of a lot easier, as finding players with PSPs these days is very difficult.

[@astralpesmerga6224]

@@TacticsLive they can if they want... game today is transition into mobile , alot of player today play in mobile because it can easily access to.