Growing Up in Incestuous Mormon Cult, THE ORDER: “My Father Wanted to Starve My Mother’s Cancer”

[@HelovesU-we4qh]

What an incredible empathetic man! I was honestly surprised that he started looking at polygamy from the woman's point of view and chose not to do it for that reason! Bravo! And kudos to you young man👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@jennaxoxox4821]

That is the double edged sword of groups that are extremely patriarchal. Distant and harsh fathers that leave the child raising to women can end up showing their sons exactly how women should not be treated.

[@amypetra5021]

That young man probably should have a woman dna tested before he begins a relationship with her, just sayin’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@heatherjackson2520]

​@amypetra5021 what???

[@amypetra5021]

@ they’re talking about possibly being closely related due to incest. In this instance, dna testing before marriage might be warranted. Common sense 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@little.heathen]

As the mother of a nonverbal, autistic son, the part about the boy with autism broke my heart 😞 i couldn't imagine treating my beautiful baby like that. The empathy you had for him is wonderful Joe, I'm truly sorry that you had to experience this but you're a magical soul with an amazing heart. Despite everything you've been through, you're still here and still shining. The type of person i would want to be friends with. Thank you for sharing with us 🖤

[@tbella5186]

@@little.heathen Same, poor kids have no way out.

[@lauraestrada7279]

As a behavioral therapist who lovingly works with her autistic kids as well as my lifetime commitment to the education and awareness of kids on the spectrum. Especially those who age out of services that should NEVER be stopped. I fight for the education and social services to put money into special needs programs as well as their caretakers and such. You are loved and hopefully supported mom. Always remember there are those of us who know how hard it is!!

[@Raidersmama2489]

I couldn't agree more as a mother of a nonverbal autistic son he is my little Buddy and it is so heartbreaking to hear about an autistic child like that

[@rockdocandlittlebird]

Ditto. My little bird is on the spectrum, and I was nearly sobbing.

[@byeblckbirdxx]

Also, how do they expect any neurotypical child to hold still for (checks notes) STITCHES without pain management?? Let alone a child with sensory issues. Some of Daniel’s other kids have implied that he was a sadist and this story tracks

[@kelliannawebb5738]

What a sweet man. His mother would be super proud of him. I hope he knows that! ❤

[@JamilaJibril-e8h]

Wealthy people love this bullshit especially if they have sickness In the Line family tree things

[@katwitanruna]

We need to normalize people expressing their emotions. Expressing your emotions doesn’t mean you’re out of control.

[@ladyhagaming]

or that one is weak, I think it takes a lot of strength and interspection also self-reflection

[@GameChanger597]

Well expressing your feelings could mean you're out of control. Of course not always but its not like it's impossible. However I think the worst one is when they say people who express their feelings are weak. This couldn't be further from the truth.

[@theblondeone7771]

Especially men. It doesn’t make them less of a man to express your emotions and feelings. I hate that stereotype.

[@rattgod]

@@theblondeone7771I think it’s more so that a lot of men don’t know how to properly articulate and acknowledge their emotions, especially anger, frustration and anxiety. A lot of it manifests externally, it’s really sad a lot of males aren’t properly taught how to navigate the complex feelings they have.

[@jhoughjr1]

Or noone cares about ur emotions they have shit to do.

[@hmneill]

“A confident girl is super cool” 😭😭😭 green flags all around. What a great guy, to come out of such a misogynistic system and have such an empathetic heart.

[@steenabellew7999]

It makes me think his mom was amazing.

[@rachelhansen2417]

I’m shocked at how insightful he was as a child! Recognizing the limitations of a child with autism, and the struggles of women in polygamy… it’s impressive!

[@bottledutopia]

When you grow up as the "sensitive" one it can be easy to try to become the opposite, especially when your peers see your emotions like a negative thing. To me it's clear that one of Joe's strengths lies in his care and love for others.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

Or, just to protect yourself, bc feeling everyone’s everything can be INTENSE

[@debbyfazfphotography]

I absolutely love how thoughtfully and beautifully Joe shared his life's story. He is quite a gentleman. All the best to you, Joe! 🤩

[@marymarmolejo6508]

What a well rounded gentleman he's wise beyond his years, sensitive, honest seems very happy within himself, great interview!

[@laportera]

Behind his smile I feel his sorrow. Such a strong sensitive person.

[@Misty_Haze]

Daniel's children could start their own channel.

[@Valiant.Unicorn]

💝

[@tbella5186]

@@Misty_Haze Call it "Out of Order"!!!

[@powderandpaint14]

Daniel's kids should start a lawsuit!

[@thistles]

Or football league

[@Narangarath]

Don't practically all of them (who are out) have their own channels already? 😂

[@deannacaudill5515]

Joe your story on escaping polygamy is one I will always remember. As I watched I could just feel how emotionally raw everything was for you. You’d been holding on to all these emotions and experiences your whole life. I’m so glad you are out now and thriving, able to share your story. I can just see even now how huge your heart is Joe! Thank you for telling your story. I hope the leaders of this cult are soon brought to justice!

[@karnmarriott2349]

This is the first time I've seen him since the show I feel so proud of him for doing great n not going back x Godbless you have a great year

[@sandradubson2026]

His DMs are going to blow up! Such a cutie and genuine heart!

[@Sherrylyn-xh5kq]

What a wholesome son and man he is. He seems to have such a gentle soul. Bless his heart. Keep doing great things and being a loving soul.

[@rochellemorris9172]

It is absolutely incredible that someone raised in a cult that would have empowered this idea of authority and entitlement over women's bodies and women's rights and children could still come out of it being such a wonderful and sensitive person and empathetic. I am just completely mind-blown thinking about how much strength it must have taken in order to still say as a man at 15 years old that you want to be with a confident woman and you don't want to practice polygamy even though that probably goes against what we would consider a man's nature. For him to be so sensitive to his mom's needs and his siblings needs and to take on this nurturing personality. Even though it was probably not taught to him because he was a boy is so impressive.

[@Acalamity]

Because THIS is his nature. He is just full of goodness through and through...

[@rochellemorris9172]

@@Acalamity absolutely

[@betsybabf748]

One very surprising thing I have noticed about those from The Order is they all had horrible, unstable parenting with not much education, but I have yet to see any one of their generation who is not a very respectful, kind, smart individual. In spite of the poor upbringing they've had, Amanda, Joe, Val, Shanelle, Jessica, Andrea, etc. all grew up to be good, compassionate, level-headed adults which really speaks volumes about each of them as people.

[@karinland8533]

Probably because the ones who ended in addiction and suicide can’t be interviewed

[@heatherharper9209]

The traits you mentioned are common among those who leave high control groups. The inner strength and character required to give up everything you’ve ever known and loved can’t be overstated.

[@TC-8789]

... And probably doesn't describe many that are still in the Order. There is also Respectability Politics, the art of looking decent and being sweet and not cussing... But thinking and saying awful things that are dismissed because you LOOK respectable.

[@rebeccarittenhouse2203]

😂😂😂😂

[@bananewane1402]

survivorship bias

[@syliadalth]

What a brave and handsome guest! Thank you, again. Non- culty hugs from México :)

[@kimalonzo3363]

I admire this guy's fearlessness and also his ability to have a sense of humor.

[@min_tea_]

Oh! Daniel’s son! You are brave and I appreciate you!

[@Valiant.Unicorn]

💝

[@katieburnett2488]

❤

[@seanhunter4297]

Why you calling him that? His "father" was evil. His mother was more of a parent & she was dying.

[@samanthavandusen]

He has a name...👀

[@aceshigh5157]

i just had an epiphany when you guys reflected on the physical abuse "it's not productive, no value, doesn't teach the kid to do what's right.. and you're a big person, and this kid is 12, what's going on? it doesn't make sense... a failed attempt at being powerful and being in control and ruling with fear and pain." i wasn't really physically abused, but the verbal & emotional abuse was just awful. it was terrifying. it deeply wounded my soul. it's hard to not minimize verbal and emotional abuse.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️❤️❤️

[@IlanaElAv]

This man is so impressive, so balanced and so emotionally intelligent. You seem like a great guy! If I were your parent I’d be so proud of you.

[@adrienneharner1949]

I love this comment!

[@tdsollog]

Thank you for continuing to share your platform in a kind, compassionate way for survivors. These voices need to be heard!

[@katwitanruna]

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

[@kathrynlabrujadelaplaya508]

Break the silence break the cycle

[@DeweyKnowaBitfromaByte]

I always marvel at your born-in(to a cult) guests’ ability to discern their own true selves and access the inner courage needed to break out. Congratulations on your Freedom, Joe! 🗽 Shelise, you are a skilled and compassionate interviewer, and your laugh is so contagious!❤

[@lau4545]

He is so sweet, he reminds me of my brother with his excitement talking about the magic & music, it's SO beautiful when people don't lose their ability to be super excited about something! ❤

[@christyleitner5949]

I really needed to hear that today, do what you love! My business of locally grown flowers is a huge passion of mine. I absolutely love my job, even though some of my close family thinks it's just a hobby and I should get a real job. Thank you for encouraging me to keep doing what I love. ❤💐🌻

[@debonaire7220]

I am so fed up with people telling me "get a proper job". I do rescued greyhound sitting in my home for adoptive parents.. Apparently.. it isn't a proper job.

[@sandybowers5085]

@@debonaire7220 Your job is completely legitimate and so very noble❣️🥰Keep doing you!!! Maybe reach out to other dog rescues in your area to help you get more exposure on social media ❣️👍🏼🙏🏼Best wishes for you and praying for you and your rescue to thrive!!!

[@kmariamv]

@@debonaire7220as long as you can support yourself and are happy

[@manarcabrera2528]

Continue to tell your story. I’m so sorry for all the suffering an abuse your mom experienced. Live your best life.

[@theoriginalpandanon]

It’s so wild that he has more siblings than I have acquaintances on fb. Wild.

[@birdenthusiast2095]

I remember seeing this young man on Leaving Polygamy. I felt so bad for him. He was truly conflicted. So glad to see him looking well.

[@clairemacauliffecarroll263]

As a mom on the spectrum with my oldest also on the spectrum this broke my heart. Autistic people need additional protection and rights

[@sarahissersohn5495]

Yes! I’m also a mom on the spectrum, and so is my kiddo - she has a much easier time w/ some things, than I do, but vice versa, as well.

[@Arminius420]

I was raised a Mormon than a Scientologist. My mind was broken until I turned 18, than I had to literally debug myself and learn how to speak with out using cult language, it was so embarrassing to look back at my formal self.

[@annbond5040]

Please do not be embarrassed. You do the best you can with the knowledge you have at the time. God bless. 🙏💕

[@tonihoban8350]

So happy for you, Joe! You are so strong and brave and you deserve a lifetime of happiness! ❤

[@מאירבןלזר]

It sounds like your mother was very hardworking A person who does not let his wife go to the doctor and tells her to fast instead of getting treatment should be arrested Thanks for sharing it was interesting

[@debonaire7220]

I love the sticky taped pictures in the corner... lol Perfect example of not caring what others think... What an amazing man.. thank you.

[@2degucitas]

You look lovely in you Mormon non-approved top. Lol! You rock. I'd totally dance twice with this precious young man. He's a keeper!

[@baileyb123bb]

Your mom sounds like an amazing woman. I know how overworking and being overwhelmed can take a toll on mind and body. I wish she'd had a supportive partner that cared about the wellbeing of her and the kids.

[@sarahkeppler8043]

Oh Joe... Daniel is the one who is weak! He hit children, he abused your mother and propably many more. You strength is shown in your understanding, your kindness and your love for your family! Your mom sounds like super woman and such a kind Person! She is so proud of you!❤

[@aj2thamaxx742]

38:46 including the abuse of young girls and women….I am equally disturbed by the fact that young men were pushed out of The Order without resources and some of them expected not to be partnered. That’s one of the great pillars of cult behavior at work: control people’s access to sex and resources.

[@kcstill3108]

Joe, your experience with your mom, your empathy for your siblings, your compassion…… you are truly an amazing person. I hope to meet you someday. In the meantime, I wish you only good things from now on. ❤

[@twinmomcan]

Could he be any sweeter? Love your story Joe. You're a truly compassionate and lovely young man. Wishing you so much happiness.

[@torchjenkins6158]

He seems like a really genuine and sweet person. It makes me so sad when he awkward laughs about horrible stories. 😢

[@elin2962]

Oh what a sweetheart Joe seems to be!😊 And as always such a intressing story. Even tho there are so much hurt in the stories they are also filled with hope and love❤ I love this channel and the guests on it❤❤❤

[@heidi190]

Showing courage to speak up and break the silence of hush hush cults

[@jennamillerhernandez8304]

He seems to have such a genuine spirit and kind soul 😊

[@TheShadowChesireCat]

I've been watching this channel a lot lately, and I have to say, as a DV survivor who's abuser seemed pretty set on doing the whole "barefoot, always pregnant, no rights, live in the middle of nowhere in a log cabin" thing to me, I always appreciate stories of healing from DV and high demand group abuse (cause I know my ex would have made it like a polygamy cult because he was an awful person who wanted to sleep around without consequences). I hope everyone can heal from the pain given to them by others.

[@sandybowers5085]

This type of abuse is so prevalent in the United States!!! More so in the FLDS and the strictest Amish communities. But also in the FBC and JW’s, Scientologists and a plethora of others😢💔I’ve experienced this first hand in the IBLP cult that infiltrated my small FDB church! No polygamy but definitely husband in charge, women submit (or get hit,imho).Birth control is a sin, mothers must stay at home, and homeschooling was a must‼️Modesty was a huge thing!!! I felt like a black sheep the whole time I was there. Hell on earth. So grateful to be out of there. ❤

[@michellekirwan-woods7623]

"She had a picture of Jesus in her room and I left. 🤣 ❤️ Considering everything he went through I completely understand.

[@electra424]

Joe you are such a sweetheart! The fact that you were born and raised in a culture that gave you, as a man, all the power, but seeing the way the women in your life were being treated was enough to shake you out of the beliefs you were entrenched in from birth is remarkable and shows the strength of your character. Thank you so much for sharing your story 💜

[@monta4621]

I saw him in a documentary when he was younger he looks good very proud of him ❤️

[@thegoat549]

What documentary?

[@monta4621]

@@thegoat549 I tried to look for it but I can't find it

[@MarkLee-dc2sl]

Are you talking about Escaping Polygamy? He was on that.

[@thegreatcatcuss]

He looks so kind and thoughtful! And your job at interviewing is still impeccable.

[@cindyshilanskis8503]

Great episode! Indeed, freedom is the most important thing. Thank you 😘

[@cspan1712]

Joe's advice at the end really spoke to me. The way he says things in such a matter of fact way without dismissing that it's not always going to be easy... it didn't feel how most generalized life advice can feel sometimes but instead it extended understanding and encouragement. And he does so in such a calming way that really, for me anyway, grounded me. Things in life are hard and scary but do it anyway because the pay off will be worth it. Thanks, Joe, I actually really needed to hear that right now 👏

[@michellesillery2098]

What a well adjusted beautiful person. Was great listening to this chat and even though he must have witnessed some horrible things he was such a kind hearted and sweet person

[@michellesillery2098]

Well done Joe, I wish you all the very best. Shalise I love your show and your gentle and respectful manner in which you relate to and question your guests. I love how you laugh at ridiculous things in a gentle way

[@jessenashvillejames150]

What a Great, Kind and Gentle person...

[@whiteroses47]

Joe is a gentle soul, and the thought of what he went through along with his siblings, more importantly, what his mother went through all those years, including her bout with cancer, breaks my heart. She was a selfless, amazing woman. I'm glad that Joe got out of that cult. I pray that more will come to their senses and hightail it out of there!

[@HobbieGardenGirl]

Thats beautiful- that he wanted a romantic relationship with a girl, not just the physical. That he observed that at a fairly young age.

[@betsymacias300]

Dear Joe - thank you soooo much for your courage to share your journey out of trauma and into freedom - so very, very well done. Thank you, Shelise!! From the perspective of a "God-Mom" to many youth, Joe, please know how proud I am of you for having a voice, being willing to walk in truth and having the strength of sensitivity and compassion. I HONOR YOU, JOE!!! May your life be above and beyond all that you can ask, think or imagine!! Betsy in San Diego : )

[@sarahissersohn5495]

💜⚡️

[@louleg23]

What a fascinating and illuminating interview! Joe has so much natural empathy and self-awareness - a great man and lovely person. His mother would be proud.

[@kimalonzo3363]

Chillest guy I've ever seen.

[@cheryleaston6820]

What a great guy. My only question is why is Daniel not on jail. He is a horrible man who treated his " wives" like slaves. And God knows what he did to underaged girls. He shows a lack of empathy because ot was never around him. Im sure it's there he just isn't able to tap into it.

[@miglek9613]

Because the one time he actually committed a crime that left obvious evidence one of the wives pretended to have done it and went to prison in order to save his ass

[@ManiyaVinas]

@@miglek9613 dmb women gene and rpist male genes go hand in hand

[@philima]

Nope, some people are incapable of empathy. You don't even need to see it to develop some sense of moral and D. (ain't worth it typing that one out) is obviously a psycho.

[@prinsespluis]

Why didn't Daniel get sentenced for polygamy? Because it's locally tolerated in the areas where this cult functions. Another reason why he should be prosecuted: child labour! This interviewee held a job at the age of 8 or 9.

[@joyful_tanya]

Under "freedom of religion". Seriously. Unfortunately. 🥺

[@RobertaReal7980]

What are these men doing with all the money they collect? It's not spent on the family.

[@aasiyapowell875]

The Order underwent an expansion in business during the '90s. They bought at least one medium-sized business in the Salt Lake Valley.

[@jcg03002]

Some of them buy random crap ,like Star wars figurines, while their families starve.

[@RobertaReal7980]

@@jcg03002 that's really gross.

[@catlover2223]

@@jcg03002 Man children! 🤢

[@Sophya7]

Amanda said they buy halloween costumes worth 6k and stupid stuffs like that They are giant men children

[@KarenMcAda]

The story about the poor little boy with autism had me in tears. 😢 Joe, you’re so brave, kind, and adorable. What a great individual. Thank you for your story.

[@tia-flame]

Mad respect. For this young man’s attitude & joy of life. Thank you for sharing!

[@jackintheboxhater222]

You can see the kindness in his eyes

[@mattskustomkreations]

When your family tree is a wreath. So sad. I’m so grateful I call my dad Dad.

[@Valorie_in_the_kitchen]

What a wonderful young man. Thank you for this interview 😊

[@lj9524]

Joe, thank you for sharing your experiences with us. You are making a difference in people’s lives. I wish you nothing but all the best of life💕

[@marysears4545]

May you continue to grow and mature and live up to the full potential that Almighty God desires for you. Your openness was very refreshing.

[@amylou22snowhite]

Walking out over a picture of Jesus was a straight gangster move. Sir, I salute you.

[@SquirreleLIV]

Nah that was stupid.

[@fifinoir]

As a perfectionist I really needed to hear "do what you want to do and don't care if you're bad at it." Wise words. Thank you Joe x

[@gillianbennett4518]

Love your soft gentle live and let live attitude to life. A big gentle cuddly teddy bear. Thank you so much for being you

[@jnice6263]

Oh my goodness I like his personality 😂❤❤

[@chanteljensen9475]

Thank you for sharing your story! I didn't grow up in a cult but did grow up with a single mother who has mental health issues and extremely delusional thinking that lead to multiple forms of abuse. I left at 15 and still even at 30 I find myself having issues dealing with healthy relationships and my own mental health. I married a man who is suppotive and tries to understand and help me when I need it. I'm sure you will get there too if it's something you want. Don't give up!

[@Hedwig-gj2di]

Joe, I think your mom would be SO PROUD OF YOU!

[@jillhughes9009]

Great job telling your story! Dont ever stop

[@jjbee2574]

So much like his big brother Nephi 💕 I hope you will have a long and beautiful life Joe.

[@May52525]

Joe!!! I saw a documentary on your experience leaving and escaping many years ago! It was on Vice and I always wondered if you were ok!! I'm so glad to see you alive and well. I'm so sorry for what you've gone through but I'm glad you're speaking out. Your story is and has helped many people. Please continue to stay well! 🙏🏾 ❤

[@AlleyCatInks]

Kudos to you Joe! This is so difficult to talk about, I’m glad you did though! You’re helping more people than you realize! ❤ keep up the great work, we’re all rooting for you!

[@sally4466]

What a fantastic interview! I love his humor and humanity in discussing such a high demand belief system! ❤

[@kathyk-h-w1874]

I want to say that this young lady is an awesome interviewer! Articulate, elicits a lot of information -- yet with great pacing, timing, and not rushing her guest. Very refreshing style 🙂👍

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wow, thank you!

[@elizabethj4450]

Every time I turn on this channel and hear "Daniel": 🤬

[@jozsefizsak]

Daniel is clearly a classic sociopath. He's an inverse role model and it breaks my heart to know that he had any contact with children, ever. On the upside, he clearly has some very nice ones!

[@ellyne3863]

Joe, I have the same life philosophy as you - letting people do what they want, as long as they’re not hurting themselves or others. It’s been my motto when raising my kids as well, I’m letting them lead the way as far as their likes and dislikes and what they want to do ❤ best of luck to you!! 🥰

[@katwitanruna]

I’ve been through an operant conditioning class with a two year old who had Childhood Onset Bipolar Disorder and Asperger’s and ADD. But behaving like that with any child of any age who is having trouble holding still is ludicrous.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

For anyone who is curious, I strongly encourage people to research Why (many) Autistic People Think ABA Is Abuse. (I am autistic, and even I didn’t understand, at first- I also had to research, to get a differently informed perspective)

[@Adm906]

I’ve seen so many videos of Joe, starting from when he had only just recently left. It makes me so happy to see him healthy and happy. Women are treated like chattel in these societies, it’s easy to forget what it does to the children that have to watch it happen ❤ Keep going Joe!

[@margeryk000]

What an amazing man! Best of luck in your future living your life.

[@jaccaj1626]

Joe; I am so sorry you had to grow up like this and experience the things you did as a young person. I commend your courage and strength to take your life in a better direction. Thank you for sharing your story. Your voice may very well protect others from being in the situations you experienced.

[@estopesto2647]

As a mother I would be beyond happy if my son turned out like you Joe. You're an incredible man with a heart of gold x

[@thistles]

Walking out on the Jesus pic is hilarious and relatable 😂

[@rubyandbert]

Another great guest! Have a great life, Joe!

[@majesticsunshine11]

I so loved this episode! He seems like such a caring and mature young man! He will make it.

[@cc-hk5ih]

Such a lovely guy a real gentle man. It's amazing that he should turn out so well after his previous life experience. Great sense of humour and heart. I wish him well and hope he enjoys a free and happy life! I'm still amazed at the really lovely people who emerge from these cults despite the huge traumas etc that their upbringing had on them. My late Dad was a gentle, sensitive man which is something to be proud of not mocked. Making new friends building your own community is a huge challenge, especially if you are cut off from family. New people new family. And that is from someone not in a cult but who had to cut ties with some family members !!! And in mid life!! Great episode. cc

[@kathycooper3594]

Thank you for opening up so honestly and openly with your like. I hope you find whatever you want in life.

[@miraclenichols4332]

Just such an interesting perspective!!!! Was wonderful to listen to!!! As always your interview style is just Purrfect!!! You never push anyone you just encourage more dialogue ever so gently & you let people finish their thoughts!!!❤️💙

[@sylc.672]

Joe, thank you to you and all of the people who give voice to what goes on in groups like this. It takes incredible courage. Shelise, thank you for what you do here. Your work helped me begin to put the pieces together about my own family dynamic growing up (now 33, just realizing everything). The way you discuss patterns as well as specific events helped me to see more clearly. I'm at the beginning of deconstruction, working with my lovely trauma-informed therapist, and beginning to feel some hope that life won't always feel like this. Your channel and your advocacy are making such a difference for people. Thank you.

[@michelepascoe6068]

You are both so lovely, after each having had a bad start. Best wishes for your success. Love your commitment to mental and emotional health and sharing your stories to help others.

[@icobenayga9806]

Great interview. 👏 The point of not opening up to boys but being able to open up to girls, maybe it has to do with the bad relationship Joe had with his dad and the good relationship with his mother... You seem like you would be a great empathic dad. All the best to you🍀🍀🍀

[@NabilYoussef-h7x]

I love your smile and the way you are you interrogate your guests in a methodical way and to put them at ease to tell their story.

[@livinglifemyway6511]

Awesome empathetic and inspirational young man! Don't let anyone take that away!

[@alisonbufarale3406]

His voice change when he started to talk about his mom being sick, broke me. 😢😢😢😢

[@rachelfisher5968]

What an incredible and honest young man. So wonderful to see his face light up when he talks about magic. Also loves that he so clearly spoke about being supported emotionally by the other Mormon family and how even once he was financially secure he still needed that. Knowing and understanding our needs and how to meet them is really such a key to a wonderful life. Thank you for sharing your story and your thoughts. I have learned so much.

[@Zai.B]

A very kind hearted man. You truly should be proud of yourself loved listening to your story. So incredibly inspiring and wonderful person. Thank you.