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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@novocalstoday]

My father flew the MiG-21 from 1984 to 1987 and was an instructor at the Higher Military Aviation School in Barnaul. A beautiful plane, although according to him it flies like a file :)

[@kimbertumen4382]

What do you mean by flies like a file?

[@AceCmbatguy25]

@@kimbertumen4382 Heavy and sluggish, always on the stick and pedals I'm guessing but I'll wait for the man's confirmation lol

[@killersalmon4359]

@@kimbertumen4382 A file isn't very aerodynamic.

[@professionalretard9364]

COMMIE

[@UWfalcin]

In soviet russia you still flew 1950’s aircraft in the late 80’s, incredible :’)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

also in the video I said it was an early 50s mission, I meant to say 60s thats my bad.

[@matheusdelimarodrigues4410]

Np GS :)

[@baomao7243]

@Growling Sidewinder Your fighting skills in the MiG make me wonder if you are the resurrected Vietnamese ace, Colonel Tomb.

[@final_revenge]

May I ask what server this was? I recently just did the free trial of mig 21 and I want a server where it would be fair to use it but I Want pvp... hard to find filled servers like this

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

1975 at least with those Aphids :)

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

@@CakePrincessCelestia and mig 21 bis and F-5E tiger 2. That have AIM 9Ps

[@robyn5623]

I mean, if your aircraft has no advantages, you create one. That's what the ambush is all about. This wasn't supposed to talk down the MiG, it's a great aircraft, I was just talking about the tactics. It applies to any aircraft. As GS says, dogfighting is never fair, you give yourself any advantage you can

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

Better power to weight, more missles (but not better) better radar with IFF, better top speed the MiG 21Bis has a slight edge over the F-5 in cold war servers and in the hand of good pilots will beat good F-5s in a dogfight 1 on 1

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@crazygmanssimstuff I was the reason why both the US Navy and US Air Force radically changed the approach towards dogfighting and how legendary flight schools like TOPGUN were born. It's for good reason both me and my older brother the MiG 17 are considered iconic aircraft that changed the dogfighting game in the Cold War overnight in Vietnam.

[@sonicapollo]

@@ГеоргийМурзич most from ground fire.

[@nucleargandhi101]

@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 Having used 1200 Mig21 Bisons at point of time in our Air Force, I can confirm.

[@nucleargandhi101]

@@ГеоргийМурзич US lost 31% of jets to the iconic SA-2 (S-75) which were also responsible for accurate ground gun fire(60% of shoot downs) with their radars.

[@FusionAero]

The terrain-hugging Mig-21ambush approach was enough of a threat that the West developed look-down radar and datalink systems to counter it, which first proved their worth in the Bekka Valley Turkey Shoot. In a contemporary setting, it is a way for Noobs to die, but something to really watch out for in a historical WW1 thru Vietnam scenarios.

[@Darrel_Owen]

So is this how he remained hidden from radar? Because he was too low for it? Do the radars from this era only pick up planes above a certain altitude? Would they pick up a plane on his 6?

[@Nocleverpuns]

@@Darrel_Owen this is very oversimplified but here goes. Broadly speaking flying low reduces the range at which ground radars can detect planes due to curvature of the earth, clutter and terrain ext. Flying low also makes it harder for airborne radars, again because of clutter. Remember also these are relatively crude radars of the 50/60s. In this case, he's low to make it hard for the ground radars to see him. The f5, like most planes, only has a front facing radar so as he comes in from behind they can only detect him visually or by his radar emissions.

[@Darrel_Owen]

@@Nocleverpuns That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

[@DCS.1-1]

Worked really fucking well in Vietnam Aka snake in the grass

[@YariRu]

Hello from Krasnodar, I live there. That's not a lake, but water reservoir

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

hmm, learned something new today.

[@lukasvillar9328]

The last time I was this early the Foxbat was considered a high performance air superiority fighter.

[@lukasvillar9328]

@@timothybayliss6680 Yeah, they have perfect proportions... 80% massive turbojets, 20% body with curvy and pointy ends.

[@nucleargandhi101]

Foxbats were recon jets, no? They were high speed, yep.

[@weaponsgradepotato]

@@nucleargandhi101 they were designed as interceptors

[@nucleargandhi101]

@@weaponsgradepotato We used them for recon back before we established our satellite networks. TBH those jets gave better and clearer picture than satellite 1000's of Km above the ground.

[@gobimurugesan2411]

They are interceptors...🚶🚶🚶

[@abdulmismail]

I absolute f*cking love the MiG-21. Haven't flown it on a server yet but engaged an F-4 in BFM, entered into a rolling scissors - popped the airbrakes he slid right in front of my pipper. It's such a buzz killing other aircraft in the 21.

[@VagabondTexan]

Ace in a day, I'm guessing you will be a Hero Of the Soviet Union soon. LOL

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Celebrate it in style! :D In Soviet Russia, you don't go to the party, the party comes to you ^^

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

With 6 kills in one day, you're a shoo-in.

[@blinthepannkek6173]

Hero of the soviet union???

[@bosbanon3452]

Soviet has been dissolved

[@blinthepannkek6173]

@@bosbanon3452 we know.

[@nezthug2411]

The F5’s base : where is he ? F5 pov : and now ladies and gentlemen, there’s come the low pass ! GS : enemy spotted...

[@MayDayMei98]

There's just something about old Soviet jets that I love. They're adorable, intimidating, and its fun to promote myself to General Secretary of the Soviet Union after I shoot down my 3rd A-4.

[@DokturProfesur]

Agreed, though I find their charm in different areas. I always loved how the earlier MiGs were just these slab sided monstrosities that used sheer brute force to take to the skies. It's a give no shits attitude and I always imagined them as large, albeit slightly clumsy, dragons of the skies.

[@UWfalcin]

For me it’s morbid curiousity as they look so weird, inferior and underbudgeted

[@christopherfischer6998]

Honestly, this is how you do it. By ambushing and avoiding a dogfight. Erich Hartmann did this, who is the highest scoring fighter pilot of all time

[@Rokaize]

Right. That’s how you survive in the long term. Hartmann was by many accounts a below average pilot in terms of handling his aircraft. Crashed numerous times on landing as well. Never heard anything remarkable about his dogfighting ability either. He was just very cautious, calm, and hide a knack for setting up ambushes and outwitting his opponents.

[@halolime117]

Yeah greatest pilot of all time, I don’t think anyone will ever beat him since dogfights isn’t even a thing anymore

[@nikolakaravida9670]

@@Rokaize Exactly. There were pilots who were way more skilled at actually piloting, Hans Joachim Marseille for example, but Hartmann's prowess was his great teamwork abilities and ambush tactics. He wasn't even that good of a marksman, he would only start firing once he's point blank. Yet he's the highest scoring ace. Truth is, aerial combat is tactics and trickery more than sheer dogfighting.

[@Rokaize]

@@nikolakaravida9670 Right. No matter how good of a dog fighter you are, eventually you will make a mistake or just not notice someone on your tail. Just a matter of time. Hartmann fought in such a way that he always had the advantage and tried to avoid a fight where he might actually be outclassed by his opponents due to his fairly mediocre piloting ability. Cheap? Yeah. “Dishonorable”? Sure. But it worked and was a big part of him surviving the whole war.

[@angrypandaification]

The double kill was radical. Boom, boom... Second guy had no time to respond either. Nice video my dude.

[@manofcultura]

This is why you don’t get your formation and tactics from Hollywood. People flying so close together in a tactical environment 🤦‍♂️

[@joshstanton267]

That was filthy 😍 I imagine they shat themselves 🤯

[@mjhac2685]

I think that “bait” was me😥

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

sorry buddy, you did a great job as bait tho? not sure if thats comforting at all lol.

[@holycrusader3336]

@@GrowlingSidewinder i am playing a lotta war thunder with a 4 squad and believe me, being the bait and seeing the enemy getting jumped by 3 mig19s is so rewarding.

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Proud of you to get the best out of me, GS. Love you so much for this. The best pilots who flew me were aerial Ninjas.

[@bigblue6917]

I remember watching some Soviet airforce film footage back in the 70s which showed a MiG-21 firing two missiles one after the other. One was heat seeking while the other was radar guided. The claim was that this was done to make it harder for NATO pilots to deal with. From what read it may something to do with the unreliability of the missiles.

[@bigblue6917]

@@ser43_OLDC Thanks

[@jimlthor]

I like the story about how the US had a harder time filtering out the Russian flares with their IR seekers because theirs were dirty and didn't burn as hot as pure magnesium

[@SPFLDAngler]

I’m kinda confused by what you mean. The Russian flares didn’t burn as hot and the US sensor were dirty? The flares were dirty and not as hot? I don’t get it.

[@roadhigher]

​@@SPFLDAngler Russian flares didn't burn through fully and had slightly lower IR signature that what American Seekers were designed to filter out.

[@kmmediafactory]

“He was doing pretty well there.....until he wasn’t” GS, you almost made me wake up my entire household. Don’t know why I found that so funny, but 🤷‍♂️

[@kcmsterpce]

If I knew GS was on the server, I'd just eject after takeoff, save myself the terror and humiliation.

[@random3362]

What a coward are you... 😉 and you wouldn't get in to the show also.

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Jester, what are you doing here commenting on GS's channel? Go back to the Tomcat's back

[@baomao7243]

@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 You stole my joke ! ☹️

[@yahitzamuniz9055]

He isn’t a coward if he is afraid of gs he knows his capabilities and happens to be smart

[@random3362]

@@yahitzamuniz9055 he is not a coward, but he is afraid... OK... 😁 he prefers to surrender rather then trying to struggle - fine position, but tastes a little bit of French to me... and I think he is disrespecting us all, cause he won't get in the GS KZbin show and bring some lessons to us all. 😉

[@ironchicken7240]

I love these 60s engagements. A mixture of close range missiles and gunfire

[@pratyushtiwari591]

Everyone - Its a Mig 21 bison. Me - Nah! Its Falcon Slayer.

[@kashiramgautam1182]

F16 took a day off 🤣

[@adisura9904]

Ah the beautiful mig21. I remember seeing one take off at night when i was younger. That blue flame was really beautiful. I wish the ED added tejas, would be neat to pit it against the plane it was built to replace. Great video as always

[@migkillerphantom]

> early 1950's mission > we're flying a 1970 aircraft

[@wee6838]

The radar lock sound of the MIG-21 is haunting not gonna lie

[@tomk3732]

So when he flies F-5 he cleans the sky of MiG-21s, when he flies MiG-21 the F-5s are raining down.

[@ltstaffel5323]

Really liked this video--commentary was solid and the cinematic of taking down the two F-5s was excellent

[@ajbridgewater]

The inside of the Mig-21 cockpit looks amazing with the lighting. DCS is pure eye candy.

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

I have the FC3 Planes, The Mirage, the F-5, the F-14 the Viggen... and this... this Bucket of bolts is the plane I normally take to the skies in. I just love this quirky POS.

[@MAG3_Hiromachi]

2:50+ Its not that missiles are unreliable, its that they have limited range. Launching R-60 at ranges greater than 1.5 km (or 1 km when bogey is running) on deck is not going to work. R-60 can maneuver but it cant really chase. R-13M / M1 while have a bit better range, are not as maneuverable as R-60. So you need to know your missile performance and optimal launch conditions.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Great to see one of the devs chiming in here :)

[@ES-ix1rn]

Motherland greets comrade GS and thanks him a lot for the great service! P.S. Have no idea how people think that 21th was a dogfighter, because it has never been. It's a perfect interceptor and this is what the concept's keystone was. It's like Messerschmitt 109's heritage: hit and run, go vertical, go aggressive.

[@starstranger2114]

"Unreliable Fox-2s" You ain't seen nothing until you use those thins (Yes, the R3) on the F-14.

[@IvannaNukya]

This guy is so damn good at this game , few beat him. I like how he shows off what each plane can do

[@LordBaldur]

Congrats. You have finally become the dream that every DCS player wants to fulfill. Mainly being that one asshole who shoots down hornets in the 21.

[@dingFAching]

RIP to that school those 2 F-5s splashed down on...

[@sirpinkalot4784]

The mig 21 is truly a beautiful aircraft, I love ur video dude!

[@Krubarax]

Best video in at least 18 months man. big ups. exciting and interesting

[@USNCBSLIXXX]

As a Retired Navy service member,I I watch all of your videoes. Thank you for your service sir, even if you never served.

[@avramnovorra]

I need more MiG-21vs F-5 in my life, but you flying the Tiger.. Or better yet, MiG-21 v F-4 with you in the Phantom, hell yeah we need a follow up to that one!

[@toothpik00]

That IR lock tone sounds like a very early computer's interpretation of an opera singer.

[@oilczar]

Love mig-21 content

[@anasazkoul4899]

nice video, I kinda like the change to servers and PvP stuff and also using the Mig 21 like it was used before, that was interesting.

[@carlofhodgy1501]

I need more Vietnam era planes to fly.

[@icysaracen3054]

GS must take a shot of vodka everytime he makes splash.

[@zemlidrakona2915]

Ha ha. I live in Krasnodar not too far from the air base. In fact from my work I can often hear planes warming up. We also have a couple Mig-21s converted to monuments are the end of my street.

[@arakovskiy]

Early 1950s mission so we have mig-21bis and f-5e from 1972

[@markingraham4892]

Entertaining video. What would be impressive is how many 21s it takes to kill a raptor. The pk of the amramm is 50% and 25% with evasion, then 10% with terrain masking. Two low altitude mig 21s should be able to kill a aggressive raptor. I know you'll say it's impossible but you should be able to kill f22s with 1960s jets.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Anything can kill anything if the circumstances align, and the fishbed is capable enough to remain a factor for a good few decades more, especially with awacs support. Its limited space for a radar does limjt it heavily.

[@disposablehero4911]

Using a lead ship as bait was standard back then, of course they had more than two though in the good old "wagon wheel" setup.

[@aquarius5719]

When you fight you have speed and turning, climbing and diving. If you cannot win at any you need to teamwork and create bait and hunter roles. If nothing else works you need to evade like a mosquito and have perfect aiming skills if the target is a few miliseconds in front of you.

[@windwalker5765]

Ah, the old high-low ambush, Charlie style.

[@Viper0701]

Heh. If my Wingman dies, he dies...

[@silentwatcher1455]

You are an ace pilot for the day.

[@TheWhoamaters]

My favorite era of aircraft development. Late 30s/50s just had some amazing designs

[@nonamenoname1942]

That cool "Predator" style three dots in a upper-right corner!

[@hinks11b]

I feel like you should use your DCS connections and push for an F-105, and F-4 along with a route pack 6 north vietnam map. DCS already has the Mig 15, 19, & 21 so some great campaigns could come from this.

[@GlennChambers]

No AI bots were injured in this video, just some humans feelings now and again :)

[@jubuttib]

Early 50s server, but an early 70s MiG-21... Hmmm. =)

[@TheUnhappyTroll]

you absolutely can dogfight F-5 in MiG-21, look for Rossmum's twitch.

[@raymondyee2008]

Wonder what veteran MIG-21 pilots think about this video.

[@binunkreativ123]

cool plane. I wish there was more content for the Mig21 in DCS.

[@brandonb404]

That double kill was so sick

[@bagoistvan3182]

....This kind of scenarios happened often over Korea and the early phases of the Vietnam conflict. Then the US invented something called BVR combined whit AWACS tehnology. Since then ww2 style dogfighting performed with jets remained the privilege of the flyers fighting for the freedom of the open Savanah in Africa ...anywhere else who ever tried to challenge was unable to make home for dinner to be able to talk about it....

[@rokog5308]

Umm MiG-21 was not a thing in Korea. Learn the history.

[@bagoistvan3182]

@@rokog5308 hi I was taking about the tactics used not the type s of aircraft - Korea was the swansong of piston driven fighters and the dawn of the modern jet fighter which used clasic WW2 dogfight tehnics .as i said. The MIG 21 was an Vietnam era fighter.

[@SnaketheJake87]

Here is your hit and run for the KZbin algorithm

[@salicyl3350]

Man I love the GS vs, other random players videos, but the Dogfight videos are also awesome! But I do wish we would see these kinds of videos more often :)

[@pranavrajesh1327]

This mig21 bison has shot down an F16 in real time I would say it's not the plane but the pilot that makes the aircraft superior

[@miroslavdockal9468]

F5 got the upper hand on nearly everything, against 21 legend, its answer from murica to 21. Russian answer to F5 was 29.......

[@datto240z]

now thats what iam talking about... MIG-21

[@Raptor3enthusiast]

I love the 50/60s fighters because just think these planes are about 50 years old now like wtf

[@L3v3LLIP]

Havent flown the F5 yet, but I always feel like the 21 has the edge when flying it. Except for dogfights. You can even load 8 fox1s and be as effective as a flight of four F5s

[@kc_was_here737]

In other words, if he dies, he dies.

[@lightunicorn1371]

Big fan of the multiplayer. Keep it up if you feel like it.

[@mrva6309]

some call it ambush tactics, others seal clubbing

[@prepareuranus8097]

If only warthunder sim worked this good

[@manmonkee]

Talking about aircraft visibility it'd be interesting to see a Video with the Folland Gnat. I read somewhere Indian pilots had a devil of a time keeping eye's on them.

[@titaniummechanism3214]

If you hadn't pointed it out in your video where you talked about your PC upgrade, I wouldn't even have noticed it. But now I can't unsee all the rubber banding going on. I'm sure the 3080 will improve upon that.

[@lothwinmore2536]

Would love to see you try out the Viggen platform. Mig-21 vs Viggen and Viggen strike missions:)

[@Pcatalin66]

Imagine Romanian army still have mig-21 last gen of them in the air forces

[@koakt3357]

(GS uploads new vid)Best moment of the day!!!!!!

[@IncognitoDiabetic]

More multiplayer pvp like this plz u killing it GS love ya brother

[@syafrijon8348]

My grndpa is a pilot mig -21 Indonesia airforce in Trikora operation against Dutch in 1961 to take it back west Papua...Dutch and American allies defeated only less 7 day

[@Skyfaller2010]

I've seen you fly just about every aircraft on the DCS menu. How do you remember all the switches, buttons, for all these different aircraft? I find it immensely hard to remember what does what for each plane to the point that I can not even enjoy flying. I know there must be a way to simplify everything. I have the Thrustmaster Warthog and just looking at all the possible combinations of switches is off putting.

[@DmdMixZ]

Most aircraft from the same country have a similar control-flow and the systems generally work the same. If you stick to one of them long enough, you'll be very familiar with it. And other things just straight up are basically the same across the board (with exceptions). For example: To use a weapon you will generally have to unlock the master arm and select the correct pylons to the corresponding weapons. The flow is basically the same for every aircraft. Now it's just a matter of understanding what you want to do so you actually know what to look for. Once you get the hang of systems operations and different methods of ordonnance delivery it gets easier. Master one aircraft and then go "up" in that line.

[@MrFarnanonical]

early 50s F-5? wasn't the F-5 from the early 60s?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes it was a mistake in the video I should have said 60s

[@temoku]

Could you explain the difference between the one circle and two circle?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJrTmaRud9aYbas&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder

[@tomriley5790]

I'm using him as bait, perhaps best phrased as I'm positioned to optimally cover my wingman :-)!

[@stinkyfungus]

Lotta columns of smoke in the ol' lake country today...

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

4:12 DOUBLE KILL! (read in UT Announcer voice)

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

Old tradition of ambush tactics from MiG21 to Su27...

[@justauser5817]

7:50 ah... a good old karma

[@PacificAirPhoto1]

Really cool, need to see more of your treachery in PvP servers! 😈

[@MarcusAurelius7777]

YOU LEGEND

[@1coolsoundguy]

Gratz on the new PC.that 3080 is a beast!!!

[@krisheggem1777]

No one out “one turn” fights GS and his gun snap shots

[@mik3ymomo]

It’s always more satisfying to win as the underdog.

[@pratyushtiwari591]

Mig21 entered the chat paxtani's left tha chat

[@abhishekgiri1201]

This is what the Indian Mig 21Bison did to the F16D!!!

[@TT-cf8dz]

Nope

[@cawntentcrow5917]

Love your stuff keep up the good work!

[@johnporten8303]

Loved the video bro

[@vladafrka3053]

wow

[@Armored_Ariete]

ba3a the bane of american pilots

[@chooseymomschoose]

GS: IF. HE. DIES. HE. DIES.

[@blinthepannkek6173]

That Fishbed looks very stealthy...

[@starfighter1043]

Do ppl just spawn back at the airfield or what? Like nobody is coming back for revenge....do you get anything for killing players vehicles or what's the deal its just for fun basically....how do you get or unlock other planes do you just have every plane in the game....

[@Archer89201]

GS to the lead MiG, if he die he dies....made ace in 4 sorties hero of the soviet union