Grubby Faces Rank 1 ROC Player Who Never Stopped Playing Reign of Chaos - WC3 - Grubby

[@Jny235]

"He is the master of ROC, but I am the Master of Warcraft" Jesus Grubby, you don't have to cook him this hard. It's hot in here... Jokes aside😃, great game, half an hour like it's nothing!

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Who lets him cook ?

[@gartoll]

Funnier when you think that Grubby still played tournaments such as WCG 2003, which were in RoC setting despite TFT being out at the time. Though I cannot blame him since not many people played TFT at the very beginning and it had only released for like a month so it was still a bit random.

[@Дмитрий-щ7с4г]

mic drop

[@ハンドルなし]

is roc different from frozen throne...?

[@Jny235]

@@ハンドルなし Ofc, more units, more items, different balance.

[@staceygram5555]

It's crazy how much the TFT expansion improved this game. Most expansions just add a bit of stuff, but TFT completely changed the game.

[@stevepwn]

so did the diablo2 expansion

[@frozentree2651]

Old video game expansions were often impressive. Gamers demanded more for their money.

[@Sekt0r_k9s]

the name "Expansion" actually meant something then@@frozentree2651

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

Back in the day an expansion would be like another game on top

[@v44n7]

@@frozentree2651 CDProject expansions are as good or better than old video games expansions

[@Newbtuber]

What a mad lad for being so committed to ROC

[@nikolablagojevic253]

Why would someone keep playing ROC instead of transferring to the TFT, quite weird.

[@bakaraymoo7389]

its so obvious. they want to feel like theyre good. then they get bodied by somebody who hasnt played for 10 years and they say "OH IM NOT AT MY BEST" This is the exact personality of somebody who just wants to be #1 with no work at all. No innovation in 10 years. Just rolls over and dies and makes excuses. @@nikolablagojevic253

[@dextros6229]

because most people moved over so he can be rank 1 there xD@@nikolablagojevic253

[@tyrannical3579]

@@nikolablagojevic253 its the memories and his attachment to the certain game. Maybe emotionally where he finds comfort when playing at his times of low or some memorable past that he never forgets.

[@Sc9cvsd]

​@nikolablagojevic253 i much preferred ROC to TFT but I mostly played 2v2 and 3v3 and unfortunately there is no more team ROC and very little 1v1 ROC anymore. I'm mad reforged didn't keep ROC multiplayer. Only W3C but very little base there

[@jaymxu]

0:29 "Is from Austria.. The land of kangaroos" 😂

[@darayray5520]

We all know what he meant, but still funny af

[@krel3358]

My favourite Aussie leader was Austrolfo Fiddla

[@Jejse17]

Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!

[@itchin4scratches]

Atlantis,Georgia

[@Alan.Redwood]

Merican iq

[@mir3877]

For that guy the day Grubby ROC with him, it was the greatest day of his life. But for Grubby, it was Monday

[@kurzackd]

you are misinterpreting the communication between them, but I'm too tired to explain to you how and why... -_-

[@KocaMetallec]

Grubby was rude and unfriendly in the comments in the beginning, like never before

[@test-id6cz]

​@@KocaMetallecno he wasn't lol

[@moebino2685]

@@KocaMetallec he was honest not rude, snowflakes these days smh

[@yellowpancake7968]

​@@KocaMetallectbh he was just very straightforward and that always comes out as rude.

[@ChrisIsMeChris]

Doing the troll creep camp while defending the attack on your base at 8:00 was INSANE!! Amazing micro, and a testament to the old Undead Death Star ;)

[@zenitfan4life]

So many things can be said about this game, but in short it really just highlights Grubby's elite level and understanding of the game. He beat the guy who played ROC non-stop years without even remembering the basics of ROC mechanics, such as what's sold in shops or that you cannot web a zeppelin, etc. Just amazing, bravo Grubby.

[@AssistInRiots]

fyi Zeppo get webbed repeatedly here, they just have anti magic

[@CraftyF0X]

More realisticly the interpretation is that, for better or worse, RTS games are greatly about player speed (APM). A lot of "knowledge about the game" can be countered by just being faster. Grubby was very fast to recognize the differences between ROC and standard TFT too. For example, realising that he can't buy zep with units costed him like 1.5-2 sec, if that happens with someone else it could take 10-20 sec to register and being acted upon. As I said, we like it or not the genre coming down to quick hands and quick decision making.

[@roywebb-pullman1496]

@@CraftyF0X it only took him a few seconds to realise, sure, but the actual time he used to employ the strategy that wasn't possible was far longer. Grubby's 150 apm compared to someone else's 60 doesn't really matter in this instance either: Grubby's banshees were out of the picture for about a minute longer than they needed to be. That Grubby can click faster doesn't factor into the decision making about what clicks to do, which I think is the point that you were actually making: He has over a decade of experience in this game, so he was able to quickly register and remember what was happening.

[@Sc9cvsd]

More realistically its like a strong foreign player who played original starcraft 1 for years playing a korean broodwar pro on vanilla original starcraft 1. Yeah there are differences but wouldnt come close to bridging the mile wide skill gap

[@pr107]

What is more amazing is how much Grubby forgot about ROC...I get it, but he's pretending to be brand new.

[@vladislavkaras491]

Darn, I did not expect how much different are RoC and TFT! Thanks for the video!

[@lukajovanovic8923]

Grubby: "How do you actually heal" Me: "He knows" *You don't*

[@Figgy20000]

Moon Wells ;)

[@ivandovranic5834]

At the beginning of the game, he was telling: "I wanted to play you at _my best."_ :( That ship has long sailed my dude, but better late than never. Thanks Grubz, was nice to remember that days, and feeling that we're playing the best games in the world, made by the best developer

[@f34r0r]

The bests have fallen. Billions must remember.

[@kurzackd]

wait, what do you mean: *"That ship has long sailed my dude, but better late than never."* ?? Do you *KNOW* him personally and can thus testify that he was MUCH better *AGES* ago ? :O .

[@hehehehehahahaha2025]

@@kurzackd I doubt it. I can personally tell you he (booster) was pretty bad 10 years ago and he was super active back then and ranked somewhere in the top 10 of ROC ladder because nearly the entire community played the same mass creep style with no understanding of micro, positioning or scouting expansions; fast forward to 2023 and you can still see those areas being a weakness for him. Grubby is on a whole other level. His first ROC game in such a long time that he had forgotten most of the basic mechanics and wins anyway .

[@kurzackd]

@@hehehehehahahaha2025 mate, may I ask you how old you are and for how long you've been following WC3 ?? -_- .

[@DudeWatIsThis]

@@hehehehehahahaha2025 "10 years ago" You spelled "20" wrong.

[@oliverzettas8286]

You're the best brotha, I'm excited to check the game out now! Greetings from beautiful Denver, CO!

[@freedomfighter8883]

I always liked ROC more than tft. All the extra stuff and changes they added sorta overcomplixated things. RoC was perfect

[@blacklotus561]

It's funny how with only 3 heroes for each race there's only 6 different variations of heroes you can have (dk1st/lich2nd/DL3rd vs lich1st/DK2nd/DL3rd). Meanwhile in TFT there are 12 different heroes each race can chose from which increases the amount of variations from 6 to a staggering 1320.

[@kevin-7091]

1320 variations, around ten of which you will find in 90% of matches

[@uaua-qm2gp]

Not exactly. Absences of 2nd or 3rd herp is also a choice so 15 options = (3 + 6 + 6) if orders of picking matters. If order doesn't matter for TFT selecting of 3 from 12 without repetitions gives only 220 options. In this regard, MOBAs has ultimate power with around 150_000_000_000_000 combinations (150 Terracombinations) for current DOTA2 hero pool

[@RightHandedMan25]

@@uaua-qm2gp They have so much fun balancing that

[@Templarfreak]

@@uaua-qm2gp the order you pick your heroes definitely matters a lot because WC3 isnt just a bunch of decisions being made in a vacuum or singular point in time, it is a game of imperfect information that happens over a period of time

[@schmitty9800]

GG, key part was the level 2 unholy aura it enabled a lot of good early map presence

[@DudeWatIsThis]

Key part was Grubby had 3 mines before the guy got his second.

[@SashaBlightWing]

That's GHB for you XD I think that's why he said that he wanted to fight you at "his best".

[@baraclude]

the dedication to play the same game for so long. Dudes probably in his 40s.

[@vOddy75]

The purple regen potions in the goblin shops seem like the way to heal heroes after creeping

[@elmarvo7505]

very intense match! well played!

[@junkequation]

I loved roc. No one ever believes me, but I beat the #1 guy on the ladder back in the day. I was the minimum level required to be able to match up with him. I think I was level 12, he was level 17, something like that. Nit2 was his name. His strat was to rush to priest/sorc. I fast expanded with footmen, creeped around the map a bit, found him, and killed his base just as his first priests and sorceresses were popping out. You don't know how happy I was to win. I still congratulate myself 20 years later, haha. Everyone on ladder was night elf, and it was so hard to beat hemon hunter with huntresses rush. Felt super good to win that matchup too.

[@hristopavlov298]

Well done man, haha :D

[@Stat1onary]

You're right I dont believe you

[@sniba5276]

GG

[@serioussilliness2064]

That doesn't seen too hard to believe, you just used a hard counter strategy to quick tech.. rock paper scissors in rts is rush, defense, quick tech.

[@jontopham2742]

It's always fun to reflect on the good old days and leave it in the past

[@ernestomarcos0103]

The Undead in RoC always felt incomplete to me, which is why I struggled so much to find the best strategy to destroy all the bases in the last mission (deciding not to bother with expensive Aboms and going for Skelly spam). From watching this it's clear that the problem was that I suck lol.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Not sure if this still applies with the current patch (including whatever W3C might have done to it, but originally in Reign of Chaos, Undead Banshee's Anti-Magic Shell worked the way Night Elf Anti-Magic Potion does in TFT (except that the latter does not grant immunity to Web/Ensnare), so you could use it as a single-point Dispel that (I think) did no Dispelling damage to Summons. This would have helped a lot when you were getting hit with Curse and Sleep, as well as Frost Nova.

[@TheTriangle444]

also ROC possession was like instant right. I was surprised it took a lot of time in Frozen throne before it possessed the unit

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

@@TheTriangle444 According to Liquipedia WC3, Possession became channeling with Patch 1.13, dated 2003-12-16. While looking this up, I also found that Patch 1.35.0 (dated 2023-01-19) changed Anti-Magic Shell so that it always takes damage from dispels -- it used to only take damage from dispels if it was protecting a (summoned) unit susceptible to dispelling damage, and not take any damage from dispels if it was protecting a unit not susceptible to dispelling damage.(*) Not sure whether this means that Anti-Magic Shell protecting such a unit takes double damage. (*)This would actually be not a bad for other buffs and debuffs -- have them have a certain number of hit points and take dispelling damage rather than being auto-hosed (although in some cases a dispel would do enough damage to eliminate them in one shot anyway, although currently no dispel does enough damage to one-shot Anti-Magic Shell, but Purge comes close).

[@jeromedewart]

So fun and nostalgic to watch. Can you play roc on reforged? Not the campaign, ladder games like this one

[@morgunvad]

no

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

This is Reforged (W3Champions). Or do you mean the graphics? Pretty sure you can. - Adûnâi

[@FollowGrubby]

On bnet no. In wc3, yes, I just did. It’s via W3Champions

[@jeromedewart]

@@FollowGrubby Super! Thanks warchief :)

[@YugenDota]

Absolutely mesmerizing gameplay

[@prainiak5710]

"He's from Austria, the land of kangaroos" LMAO

[@TheOneRealTom]

Big love from Austria for that comment about kangaroos!

[@PapaHola]

I played RoC for years, and I know exactly who this guy is. I always thought he was a bit of a weirdo.

[@dsqrtzdsqrtz2214]

care to explain what you mean? Who is he and why is he a weirdo?

[@haydenhoaglin554]

thats such a different play style then what we are used too and i loved it

[@RMac]

"but im the master of warcraft"" THUG / NEEDS TO BE OFFICIAL GRUBBY QUOTE

[@drewskiwest5284]

for roc dk/lich/fend build you need to stay @ t2, with 2 crypts pumpin fiends and then if it makes it to late game, t3 for 3-3 upgrades with web, heal scroll/protection scroll/wons vs banshees for ams. and dreadlord to get to lvl3 asap for strongest nuke in game.

[@MaxwellMcKinnon]

Omg there are some people that love RoC. Grubby you are amazing

[@owwsdingatlaga8633]

That micro though damn grubby still has it. Clutch play at the shop

[@alexanderxyz6146]

Would be nice to actually see such game on an actual RoC (exklusive) map!

Wow, I did not expect this outcome.

[@gog3366]

Ghb is the abbreviation for a drug. Is that what the opponent meant?

[@L1CHable]

Yeah, he was probably high thats why he meant he wanted to play at his best. Should be careful with ghb tho it's pretty dangerous

[@theopticrobert7529]

Someone call an ambulance but not for Big G xd, what a game GG!

[@magusto627]

Bold statement. Master of WC

[@marcolee2875]

To this day I remember how I played with a friend in his bedroom and mines was a drop from creeps. Incredible damage and cloaked. Fun times.

[@RichyDYupYup]

Wow, Booster LOL. I played against this guy for like a decade in RoC solo. I was Th1S.1S.RoC, made rank 1 in solo a few times in Europe.

[@DannyBlackburn-e1n]

I remember you, always had FS icon, good old days...

[@RichyDYupYup]

@@DannyBlackburn-e1n Yeah man! That Wyvern fast tech with FS wolf harass was unbeatable for a while. Good old days indeed. What was your account? Maybe I'll remember it.

[@hn7933]

Your heroes had better items and a lot more mana. Also, I thought heroes did medium dmg in RoC. Great macro game though. I remember getting burrow tower rushed nonstop in RoC ladder or NE cheese with moonwells DH lol

[@gartoll]

Everyone (even Grubby himself apparently) thinks that heroes do Normal damage in RoC. You are confusing RoC balance and RoC campaign balance. To help you understand, RoC campaign uses 1.01 patch balance. RoC uses 1.06 (or 1.10 RoC, not 100% sure) balance. Heroes were doing Normal damage until 1.05, meaning that RoC ladder matches have heroes with their own damage type.

[@FollowGrubby]

ROC itself had some balance and design patch changes, too. W3C chose a particular patch

[@bu1snessl1ne]

the RoC Lich icon so much cooler

[@Jakob.Hamburg]

Nice match and nice information. I enjoyed it. : )

[@pupper5580]

Similar to best player of a region vs a top player in the world. Usually the best player in a region doesn't stand a chance against against a global elite.

[@ivanmarkoski682]

tbf for a guy who still plays roc after all this years... this is mad dedication and an adiction bro respect to both of you guys

[@tjmoon1857]

Yeah it's been 21 years -.-

[@tyrannical3579]

he should be seen and commended.

[@ryanveith9464]

Did I hear that right??? "He's from Austria the land of kangaroos" for sure he knows that's Australia right???

[@ryanveith9464]

God damn it, I kept watching and he got me... Nice one grubs haha

[@GillesLouisReneDeleuze]

Undead shouldn't be able to heal. They're dead flesh and bones. That's canon, expansion ruined everything.

[@AbrownesqLLC]

The real grubby for ke has always been ROC grubby, including Moon. This guy was good, but when grubby and him fought at his first expo after grubby got creep jacked and the guy had to tp, i knew it was over lol

[@korayo8793]

This game will always have a special place in my heart

[@TF2Shows]

grubby im new player can you show your keyboard actions for 1 game? like keyboard overview/layout on top of screen to see how you control units

[@tom6069]

Go play age of empires 2 and you will understand better, you need to use control +1 ctrl+2 etc.. To control. Units better, and set building on whatever you like

[@t0bistr]

Thumbs up that people still play Warcraft 3. No matter if ROC or TFT! It's still the best strategy game that has ever been made and I hope it will never die. Sad that Reforged is such a bullshit. That made me leave Wc3 most of the time... Maybe I will come back one day!

[@compulsiveconsumption]

"Austria, the land of kangaroos" -Grubby 2023

[@Wisstihrwas]

Ooh the good old times of RoC. The game that brought me into the blizzard franchise. My cousin and my uncle were around since wc2 and as like a 5 or 6y old i saw it on their screens. But i guess that doesnt count. However. In RoC the best strat was just economics based. Human in my opinion easily most op race. Fast expansion, mass gryphs. Arch mage and mk or paladin. Or even the 3 of them. With this army comp you'd smash all enemys into oblivion. Incredible mobility, sustain, dmg output, harass etc. Only real downside of this strat was you'd be vulnerable to rushes. But then again, eapecially on smaller maps, do some tower and arch mage witg blizzars clearly helps. But may god forgive their unholy souls, if they go late game against you! In my opinion tft completely changed the game. Of course it was more versitaile and overal more complex. But i never liked it. In RoC i had my goto thing to do. When i reached my point, my economy and some gryphs with 2 - 3 leveles heros, i was just unstoppable and won 80 to 90% of the matches. But tft kinda destroyed that for me. When tft came out, i stopped playing normal mode and went more into fun games. Hero Line Wars and Hero Wars which is basically dotas ancestor. Later dota came as a thing. I never played dota on Wc3 but in hero wars i was quite a ace. Gnark Troll Marksman. That thing was broken as hell. Kinda like drow with a inbuilt crit. Or troll defender that was basically troll warlord. With enough -agi bought in shop, you'd bash them into eternity. Good old times ❤😂

[@drewskiwest5284]

he most definitely has expo on island @ 22:56 when you're wondering.

[@drewskiwest5284]

badabing told ya. i know philbot.

[@rph8704]

Yeah TFT was a good expansion. ROC had too many shortcomings that TFT fixed

[@hallo-mt5tx]

roc is definitely funny, especially the campaign where heroes have normal attack they completely destroy everything with light armor, which was a lot since unarmored didnt exist either

[@SuperSirFelix]

"Philbot_au, as the name suggests, he's from Austria the land of kangaroos" coming from a non-american this mistake is so unexpected :))

[@Dedgyblazer]

This needs an [EPIC] tag, what a match

[@POINTS2]

The battles in ROC are more drawn out and feel more tactical than TFT. It's nice for a change a pace.

[@MagicalMaster]

Damn, he made you work for it.

[@Exhorderx]

Grub playing RoC always a such a treat

[@Earpugs]

You are absurdly good at WC3

[@PublicStaticV01D]

Say what you will about this guy, but I think he displayed some good sportsmanship

[@RichyRich2607]

ROC is really really sluggish :D

[@SAlma-kw7to]

Your headphone wire on short made me think there’s a hair on my screen XD

[@bcisnerosc]

Te amo Grubby, SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA !!

[@DerpinSomeMuffins]

Great game! You both are incredible Warcraft players. Though I do cringe a bit at the copium (I'm not at my best) just say GG!

[@ST-mx4xy]

Vanilla versions of Blizzard games are the bests, some expansions are fun tho but mostly they nailed it on first version of the game (especially WoW)

[@GnomesRox]

So glad you're not a game designer. What I loved about Blizzard games is their expansions improved the game so dramatically. Vanilla wow is a game littered with terrible game systems (as is with all vanilla games). Its saving grace was the huge world and quest design and guild system that made it a fun social game.

[@Joshwaheazo]

Have you actually played the original non patched D2? I beat hell as a level 32 barbarian doing 300 odd damage with concentration that did zero % damage it was a joke...haha the expansion made the game waaaay better.

[@berimanjuliano]

sick play !! awesome

[@dnb771]

all i want for christmas this year is grubby to tower turtle hero only in roc. I miss those times. Tower kills give xp in roc and hu heroes are op.

[@Sc9cvsd]

And human towers are very op

[@LeDogueDeBroceliande]

That was so fun to watch

[@danielisaias131]

Do you guys know when did the kangaroos move to Austria?

[@Xevioslar]

🤣

[@maniac6655]

the ROC itemdroptable is way more fun than the new one 😅

[@AZZ800]

How do you play ROC now? I went to w3champions, but I can only queue for TFT

[@Sc9cvsd]

Mode is called ROC 1v1. I think you have to toggle between main modes like 1v1 2v2 4v4 and other modes

[@DudeWatIsThis]

This guy has really good micro. He failed at expanding and securing the gold flow on the basebuilding level. If he had a decent level of map awareness, he would have probably beaten Grubby.

[@luizalbertolausdarosa6819]

I think he had that top right hidden expansion at the same time Grubb had his. He just found it to late I believe.

[@shellfish355]

15:44 sadly grubby didn't cancel the necropolis

[@Koekie5616]

Very intense game!

[@r4nhuturtlerider]

Ur really good and def has lots of exp, do u remember a player back in roc called angryhuman? really good. I guess insomnia top azeroth main orc, i reach 150/0 random beating him with orc, tech wyvs ftw, he left.

[@ShanePhoenix5558]

Hey grubby why do you build a additional necropolis in expo when you can build a haunted gold mine without it if you wanted.

[@VelvanTivius]

It's nice to see both players picking campaign race

[@RichyRich2607]

whatever that means :D

[@Alfie-ni7lx]

in ROC magic damage was piercing damage for the casters attack type. Im pretty sure heros had normal damage and hero armour. Pirecing beat heavy armour. Normal beat light armour. Pretty sure that was how it was but reforge has messed with wc3 can someone confirm this or am I schiz?

[@nicolasalexandru3830]

Reign of Chaos is a different species

[@yandayixia]

I will comment on your every video until you do Farseer wolf -> farsight try hard build. Let them witness the vision power of the horde.

[@Khantia]

ROC was so weird in retrospect :P

[@pho3nix-]

You should play RoC more often

[@The.Original.Potatocakes]

Grub to the sub I always say it, btw this is one of the best games you ever played.

[@Blackblaze2007]

his no match to you grub.. he just thought he can.. in his dream i guess hahahah

[@kevingause9526]

That’s amazing you can play a slightly different game and still beat a top player

[@bakaraymoo7389]

Whats a top player in a completely dead game? Its somebody who makes excuses when they lose. Same personality type

[@jtaco4101]

I really enjoyed ROC alot more than TFT.

[@ARandomCommentFromMr.RandomGuy]

Nice play

[@1MpUrO]

this guy must be the king of 4utism

[@Sc9cvsd]

Yeah Id assume the ROC guy wouldnt have a chance before even watching it. The games are very different but many wouldnt matter. Like creeping is far more potent in ROC than TFT, gives more xp and can keep leveling to 10. But grubby is top tier at creeping so that will work in his advantage. Less heros, well grubby is top tier with the ROC ones anyway. His micro is top tier, yeah a little different but not enough different to matter. Still basically the same

[@drewskiwest5284]

if that's philbot that's hilarious

[@ross1158]

What a fun game, UD mirror seems a lotm ore fun in ROC than in TFT because of destro, shop items and creeping above 5. Maybe still some mix between two that would allow you a bit more flexibility or diversity would be beneficial but definetely it's the most boring MU it wc3 for me. Somewhat like breaker wars. :D

[@g0nz1337]

you still got it grubby gg

[@eirtars]

very warholian moment

[@TheDiadara1]

that "i wish i would fight u at my best" is the biggest coping mechanism i have seen in a while

[@bakaraymoo7389]

After 10 years he has innovated nothing! Hes had a decade to come up with some new tech and he has NOTHING. Just rolls over and fucking dies while coping LOL

[@Chubzdoomer]

Ha yeah, that was pretty pathetic. Poor little loser had to try and take some credit away from Grubby before bailing out.

[@kingskingsmanship]

I didn't know Roc can be played. 1337n3ss (Tony) used to be the #1 before Roc died.

[@samuelallen8945]

great game!

[@Volkov_ai]

Very nice and dramatic

[@vibonacci]

UD vs UD RoC I would always win by tricking opponent by going Dreadlord second. Sleep DK, and kill few fiends, kill enemy Lich. Game over.

[@paulmarcu2100]

Hey Grubbster, how can you play Roc? I see no option in bnet app for Roc!