Grundig MTB Downhill World Cup Kaprun 1993

Grundig MTB Downhill World Cup Kaprun 1993

[@resynthesizer4565]

Those were such exciting times. The birth of a brand new sport. Early DH was more about speed than chunk. (Look where their seats are !) Tomac, as always, was amazing.

[@stephenkohler3472]

It's crazy how fast they were going on those sketchy bikes. Missy was so impressive!

[@jorgschneider4907]

I cant remember the exact year but i've been there with a friend. During a Training Run, i crashed my Marzocchi Xc500 forke with 50mm of travel, but marzocchi race Service repared it, so that i could Start at the race next Day. A great time....

[@Colin.Robinson1]

Du hattest damals schon eine Federgabel?!! Angeber! ;)

[@wernerflieger6862]

Hatte ich auch .😂😂😂

[@jorgschneider4907]

Hat auch nix gebracht 😂

[@keirfarnum6811]

@@Colin.Robinson1 Not only did he have a suspension fork, it had 50mm of travel! Most only had like 30mm back then. 😁

[@stinkyrainbow653]

Yeah...me in my twens and shredding the hills with my GT LTS...or RTS...don't remember, I had both. I was auch a GT Fanboy 😂. Had the Karakoram, Zaskar LE, RTS and LTS ... and a GT Perforner BMX😂. I miss those days so much. 😭

[@dirtydave2691]

Missy Giove on that cool ass full suspension Yeti. Those were great days.

[@JJ-ru5xr]

And M.Rockwell gute alte Manitou .

[@JTMarlin8]

6:34 apparently her name was Missy Ciove back then.

[@JJ-ru5xr]

@@JTMarlin8 Ciove ? Just an error in the Vid?

[@radiocontrolled9181]

Agreed. And yet . . . . a massive 26 seconds slower than Stiefl !!

[@michaelbullen3104]

That’s one of the few bikes here I’m not that scared watching go downhill. That one looked fairly sturdy. Thee rest of them are riding off of what are basically Walmart forks lmfao their frames are good but half the shit slapped on them is ass

[@jemen1709]

I remember those days very well. Tomacs Pearl Izumi skinsuit still kicks ass!!!!

[@AdrianSchwizgebel]

Unvorstellbar dass der heutige OG und wohl ältester aktiver Fahrer Greg Minaar damals gerademal 12 Jahre alt war.

[@judevenalian5008]

I guess the only requirement for "downhill" in those days was that the rider had to be going in a generally downhill direction?

[@ol48spring]

Totally. I started riding in the nineties. Looks like xc to me 🤙🏻

[@S0ulinth3machin3]

@@ol48spring not on those bikes. You took a beating on those things. It was still quite violent. I remember one downhill section where I knew where I wanted to go, let go of the brakes and let it rip. My head was bouncing around so much I couldn't see. Was just hoping to stay on the trail. Didn't try that again, surely lost a lot of brain cells with the brain bashing against the skull like that.

[@Maximilian_ra]

I wach this vid. 2020 and my bike has 180mm of Travel and the guys in Video ride faster then I with a Hardtail and Bad Brakes.

[@danielstormy3660]

If you want win, you should not use brakes :-)

[@calvacoca]

And 5cm travel forks ! 🤪😁👍

[@radiocontrolled9181]

@@danielstormy3660 Yes sure . . . try going round that bend at 23:10 without braking before . . . and you would certainly win ..... the open field face down in the soil :-)

[@mariomoreno9954]

today the halfwork is made by the bycicle, beyond the good riders of today, those time were gold for MTB.

[@albenstabaku1501]

Those bike hadn't paddle brake even and this bikers were the best ,courageous and masters.Bravo!

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

🌎☮🚴‍♀️🥰

[@LhDiy]

The 12 who voted thumbs down did not know how is was to MTB in that time. No or absent body protections, short shock travels, bar ends ...

[@Adoogin]

absent body protections? Looks like these guys are all kitted with motocross gear head to toe...

[@LhDiy]

You're right, in these kind of competitions, but not everywhere @@Adoogin

[@erichhudson2090]

Really great video. Excellent post!

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

🥰🙏🚴‍♀️💪💚✌😘

[@miyui9269]

same difficulty as with today's races. back then, they road so fast on a pretty tame tracks using sketchy bikes. you still have to go as fast as possible and a crash can take you out for a season. now, we ride very technical terrain with reliable brake system on the most forgiving and comfortable bikes ever. ride as fast as possible and can take you out for a season if you crash as well.

[@josuagrub]

So geil ❤ danke

[@BLAZER1337]

Imagine travelling back in time and showing them the video of last year's Red Bull Rampage...

[@abandoneduniverses]

Useless thoat...same to show a lazer gun to 1600 people

[@mirak63]

I looked at the one of 2022 and yeah ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4u5qmCNp9OWr8k But back in the day they were doing normal stuff with shitty hardware and that looked pretty extreme because of that kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKu9nH57br9ma8k

[@keirfarnum6811]

Even better, Hardline. They would marvel at jumping over roads and doing 90 meter jumps.

[@Arcq12345]

Now and then... this looks like a very xc for now, it s even hard to say it is xc. Man, you went on your bike and you were rocket, good memories, that s the most important thing.

[@traviswoff]

90's rocked

[@kennyfenny4754]

In 1993 they be like ''That dude has 50mm of travel and narrow stright bars, wow ?

[@radiocontrolled9181]

In 1993 they didn't care much about bike spec . . . they measured 'dudes' by the size of their balls.

[@konradkowara3747]

10:13 is the essence of the 90s

[@seco86]

GT Forever

[@Daniel.Berlin]

52 oder 62 zu 11 Übersetzung. Da bekam man noch Speed drauf. 💪🏻

[@keiko909]

loud colours. yep, it must be the 90's

[@keirfarnum6811]

I had a few colorful jerseys just because that was what I could get, but I tried to keep it black. I was the local punk/goth mountain biker in Alaska during the early 90s. I had one of the few black Fat Chance Yo Eddys to be seen (I ordered it that way).

[@davidg7170]

For all those commenting that this course looks pretty tame - even back then that was the opinion. Google Cap-D'ail to see a ridiculous course from the same era.

[@AthelstanEngland]

Cheers for that link - yikes!

[@manchesterunitedno7]

and Megavalanche have been around since the 90s. so, yeah, the extreme ones always there.

[@calvacoca]

Maybe it could be very interesting to add a full rigid bike category in DH contests 🤔

[@radiocontrolled9181]

I believe that there are 90's downhill videos here on YT which are raced on full rigid. Try searching for the 1992 Grundig races. Many riders used full rigid.

[@samblenkharn8099]

Steve Peat famously got his first DH win on a rigid kona.

[@keirfarnum6811]

I’m amazed seeing pro XC racers on rigid forks in 1993. Most everyone I knew was on Mag21s or Manitous by then. Sponsorships kept some pros from adopting the tech early, unfortunately.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

What? am I the only one to notice they spelled Missy's Giove's last name wrong at the first finish?

[@ysfabd100]

Not cool how future people make fun of these historical people and their bicycles..Ok we get it you have better bikes in 2020 and better clothing.. good for you! Enjoy them guess what people after you will be mocking you

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

😘

[@skoms2024]

Because of these pioneers we have those fancy bikes now, remember.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Back then, because technical courses were too hard on bikes, they tried to make it more like Alpine skiing downhills; based on pure speed. There were some more technical courses, but they only became more common as the technology improved. P.S., I remember Regina Stiefl as a German downhiller from World Cup skiing. Sometimes I forget that she went into mountain biking after her WC career.

[@HWR71]

BTW... Regina Stiefl is aunt of famous biathlete Laura Dahlmeier. Both from Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Bavaria.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

4:49 *guy shreds down the road* 4:52 Lady: Yeah sorry, not impressed...

[@Romin.777]

The lower the technology the higher the skills required. This time was my hayday too. :)) My purple hubba bubba hubs in my Mountain Cycle.. *'sigh"*

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

😍✌

[@keirfarnum6811]

Ringles? Correct?

[@giszmo5432]

Downhill 1993 = Warm-Up 2024

[@agustinblanco7673]

Back in Those Days if your finish 1 was by miracle

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

😍

[@budesmatpicu3992]

wow, nowadays more technical obstacles, jumping etc. in crosscountry than in '93 downhill

[@neilgouws6962]

It's called evolution 🤔 I was racing XC then and still the odd race today .. If I had my XC bike today , back then .... I would have been a professional ! Back then , your XC bike was your down hill race bike too 🤭🤣 Cheers 🇿🇦

[@christianbarros1580]

An easy way to understand 90's downhill is: "Before this, there is nothing", no suspensions. no official races, no real brakes. This was the shit.

[@Gazzaloddi-ml9ej]

I was riding Amp Research Forks in 1993

[@Benini916]

In today's standards, this is basically XC race.

[@RK-mc8zy]

If you ever wanted to know where the term “euro” comes from it’s early MTB racing.

[@ШНУБЛИККИЛБУНШ]

Классные велосипеды делали раньше из нормальных комплектующих не то что сейчас

[@abandoneduniverses]

,❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@saraspitefull32]

Yarrrh 👍

[@raceace]

Can’t believe we survived with 55 mm of travel.

[@policematrixx]

fair play to them

[@Nonnenmacher87]

26" Inch Tires >

[@RE-RotaryExperiment]

ZoD I still ride my M3 Intense with 26in. I'll be shredding it in about 9hrs

[@FelipeLuizDickmann]

These kind of racing is like gravel riding now a days

[@reinaldomiranda9618]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802]

Those bikes have no handle bars!!!??

[@michaelbullen3104]

These old FRAMES were good, sure. Great even. Slap modern top class 26 parts all over it and some disc brake adapters with top tier disc brakes, some good bars, grips, the works, you have a pretty good old school new school hardtail mix, But those parts… Lmfao they SCREAM sketchy. Was waiting for a fork to snap at any second. The suspension on them looks Walmart esque lmfao Idk how they did it. Balls of steel.

[@carlodosa7951]

I've just seen this video: I've just decided to restore my cousin's old bike and throw myself downhill in Trentino's woods

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

🚲💚👍

[@RE-RotaryExperiment]

Send a like for old school. I have an Intense M3 Comment below what your old bike was!!

[@ethanbenton6676]

2001 Rocky Mountain Blizzard, it’s still kickin’ it as a commuter

[@sergarcarr]

Kona Manomano 1997. Still using it, a very nice ride and the V-brakes are the dream

[@elvisderblasehase9522]

1994 Trek 8000 ZX. I'm still riding it

[@possibly8180]

1991 muddyfox seeker mega, it's falling apart and is a size too large since it was my dad's bike back in the day but I'd be damned if it isn't fun as fuck to ride lmao

[@shiftlove]

This is hilarious. No wonder their bikes could have minimal suspension. Those pads though. Damn. I bet I’ve had pedal strikes harder than anything they would have experienced lmao

[@Kowinaida]

The bars are so narrow...it's one step away from just holding the stem to steer.

[@johnhartmann5875]

Die Moderatoren waren zum einschlafen, da halfen die Hintergrundinformationen auch nicht. Wegen denen habe alle abgeschaltet und das Fernsehformat wurde eingestellt.

[@Colin.Robinson1]

Gerhard Zadrobilek. Fuhr mit dem selben Bike XC und am nächsten Tag den Dh.

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

✌

[@by_mxnotorious6702]

Só o austríaco falando aí que dói os ouvidos😂

[@RetroMountainbikeVideos]

😍

[@paco_rider]

Vibration party

[@mariusznaw2592]

Magura Race Line... I'm still using those in my 95 rigid steel 26in mtb. However this bike is single speed these days I find it as perfect gravel bike.

[@peppi0304]

13:30 fast alle fahren bereits schon mit einer gefederten gabel :D

[@Colin.Robinson1]

Manitou mit geplatzten Elastomeren! Good old days

[@Oleksii_Popov]

Кантилеверные тормоза... колеса 26"... Рулевые колонки на 1"

[@o_mtb1925]

Back than downhill track , today Green Beginners Trail

[@aakos26]

Question is: how fast you can bomb down on a green trail. Most of people are able to go down on blacks well, just matter time.

[@radiocontrolled9181]

@@aakos26 The speed is directly proportional to the size of your balls.

[@donnovicki9771]

The Missile could fly.

[@catbijoux1]

True, but the other two girls smoked her.

[@jltrack]

500mm bar width. Sketchy AF. Seriously why did no one think of runny wider bars back then?

[@joshcheck7532]

Because that all ran 120mm stems to counteract the poor handling

[@sergarcarr]

@@joshcheck7532 more stem than fork travel... That's fucking hardcore

[@christianjimenez6004]

Check the handle bar that John Tomac used on his bike . It was a roadbike handle bar .

[@markjerham2478]

I run 640mm and no problem going fast dh

[@jltrack]

@@markjerham2478 Same, I can still ride fast on 680 bar. I just recently moved to 760's and they just offer more stability.

[@HWR71]

Siegerin Regina Stiefl ist die Tante von Biathletin Laura Dahlmeier.

[@ethanbenton6676]

More like “Fireroad bomb World Cup”

[@hedrick5286]

Funny

[@iliyadavoodipour6366]

i cant beleave how shitty mountainbikes were back then xD. ive doing mountainbiking for7months now and i think with my 120mm trailbike i could be one of the fastest at that race.

[@calvacoca]

Not sure at all ! 😉

[@stewpleee]

You ever rode a 20yrs old bike? Try downhill with that

[@givemeakidney]

Don't miss yourself. Even back then those guys were AVERAGING 60+Kph down the course, pushing 44 tooth chain rings.

[@lennidk1013]

Don't think so. People crash today riding long slack bikes on 1,5 m. wide purpose build family friendly "trails" . Don't think you would smoke Tomac or Vouilloz just cause you got a modern bike 😉

[@kona6812]

Belive me, you wouldn't be in the Top 20 at least! I raced this course and know most of the contenter personally ,a bunch of bad asses! And look how the old guns shred today e.g. Nico Voullion! These race were highspeed races.

[@lucacecchinato3797]

Che ricordi che gare e con che bike correvano mamma mia