GT7 - PSVR 2 - FASTER AND I CAN PROVE IT!!

[@alextron1970]

Some sim racers talk about discomfort of wearing a VR headset.I guess they think that a real racer can jump in a racing car wearing a short and a T-shirt without a helmet and turn on the A/C!No G force to shake him up during the race.The racer should be as comfortable in the car as in his living room lol!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Good point!

[@scottd7222]

I love this! Now that I envision myself just wearing a racing helmet the immersion is unmatched lol. I was doing daily race b yesterday In VR and had the best time of my life. This shit is too good!

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@scottd7222 it really is just amazing and so easy to setup and get going.

[@dinoXAs2]

This is not real. Its a game

[@scottd7222]

@@dinoXAs2 yea no shit

[@Scattman101]

I picked up PSVR2 specifically so I can use it with GT7 (with a full logitech racing wheel setup) and I've been using it every day for the past few weeks since it came out. It is an absolute game changer for racing games and I actually have faster times than I've ever had and I'm only getting faster. I've gotten P2 and P3 multiple times while racing in VR. Still have yet to get my first P1 but it'll come.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Nice! Very immersive with a proper setup.

[@KenHayes0]

Its amazing with a controller, but I can't wait to get a decent wheel

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@KenHayes0 It makes a big difference

[@bullshark1152]

I’m a PC VR sim racer for years by now, I can agree that you are faster with VR. and even if you’re not, the immersion is unbeatable of corse. As my oculus Rift is eol and I don’t want to spend again €3000 or more to upgrade my PC, I bought a PS5 and waiting on the PSVR 2 to arrive. Bought it mainly for GT7 and VR racing. So I hope the AI of GT7 won’t disappoint me. I presume it is by far not as good as AMS2 for example. But I hope a lot better than the FM7 AI.

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@bullshark1152 The AI needs some work. On the harder races its not bad but on the lower levels its pretty weak. I mostly race online and the VR is just next level especially when you pair it with a good set of 3d Audio Headphones. With dynamic weather it is crazy good when the little rain drops star to hit the windshield. Yeah but the AI needs work. Hope you love it as much as I do!

[@tavo.simracing]

VR was the instrument that finally allowed me to bridge my real life experience with the simulator. it was a no brainer. i had used triple screens for 6 months and switched to VR recently, and i’m considerably faster. i’m at least 4 seconds across the board in my main cars (indycar, f1, gt3)

[@martinsimracing1255]

Very encouraging, VR was made for sim racing and flying , no doubt.

[@8ZoteX8]

You get a whole new sense of depth with VR thats not possible with flatscreen. I have no problem to squeeze myself through a tight overtake or lick a butt millimeter behind an opponent in VR. Nothing I could manage safely on flat screen. And on top of that, it's hell lot of more fun! 😁

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree 100%! Hitting apex’s , following close to opponents it’s all easier in VR. And it’s very addictive. The consequences also almost feel real even though you know there not. The faint head haptics do more than I expected the more I play.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

Drifting goes from tricky to intuitive in VR. It's just nuts how effective VR is, and anyone denying VR making you faster are straight up wrong. Argument I often hear is "if VR is faster, why aren't the pros using it?" Answer to that is: The pros drive like robots. They execute the same lap over and over and over and over forever, execution is ALL that matters when you have studied every millimeter of the track.. They know where the exact braking points are, how hard they need to brake, the RPM and which gear to be in and so on and so forth. There's so little left to perfect that VR or a motion rig does literally nothing for them. For you and me and 99% of simmers out there, VR is a benefit. Hell, even for the pros it's obviously better, but they're creatures of habit, and most of the time in pro events they have to use screens. So getting used to VR for those people is kind of a negative because they have to go back to screens during any live event. VR is the bees knees. Anyone who thinks it doesn't make them faster have NOT used VR much. VR makes everything better. I'm a better VRFPS player than I ever was as a flat FPS player, and I used to be pretty decent. The stuff I do in VR would just never happen on screen with any regularity. And much of it is literally impossible.. Threw a knife in a dude's face a while back while at the same time shooting his buddy to the left of me with my right hand pistol, like crossed in front of my chest... I'm like an octopus of slaughter in there. Flat games are pathetic to me at this point in time, have been since 2014 or so when I first got into VR. Everyone should be into VR... It's baffling that it's not the biggest thing ever yet. I guess people just wanted casual crap on a gamepad, and I thought people wanted hella immersion and interactivity.

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@vgaportauthority9932 Man you said it best. You are 100% right about the pros, I think PD should make the World finlas VR only. How can we go back to flat screen after playing games like RE8. I am definitely on the VR bandwagon and anticipating more great games to come. I really hope F1 23 comes to PSVR2.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

amen. amen

[@AlefeLucas]

I had the exact same feeling, going through a gap for overtaking feels way easier on VR. In Daily race 3 (Suzuka SF19) I keep following the opponents just millimeters behind through the S's

[@Boooost3d]

I commented already but I'll put more effort into it so people can actually understand. The first thing I noticed was that it allows you to look around the corner you are I. Or heading into. This makes it to where you can better place the car where you want it to go instead of hoping it's properly placed based you entered the turn. I feel like I use much more of the track than I did on the flat-screen. That's one way it makes you fast. It also makes racing in traffic 10 times better. You are able to give space and pass way easier because you can place the car just like you would in real life. On the screen you are relying on the radar and intuition. I've notice time and time again, I'm one of the people consistently making out of the first turn or grudges where it's going 3 wide. Before, I was alway crashing. Getting use to new tracks is much more seamless. Before I would be comfortable until about Wednesday and by that time the week is already half way done. Now I'm noticing that I'm use the the new weekly track enough to get in soort after about 20 laps. OHHHH and one of my favorite things is the improved counter steer. Before PSVR I WAS ALSI

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree with everything you said. I am definitely using way more of the track. It so much easier to drive to the very limit of the track.

[@playstationracer67-GT7]

I have been resisting VR2 after getting the first version but your video has me questioning this all over again.

[@martinsimracing1255]

It’s really good in my opinion. I think that it should make you more consistent and your speed will get there as you get use to it. I haven’t played GT7 in flat screen since I got it.

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

Its a substantial jump over psvr 1 putting it above pc headsets in some areas , library is a little small at moment is only downside

[@mickaelsflow6774]

Do it. Buy it. You call yourself Playstation Racer. Ergo you MUST acquire it. The precious PSVR2. Just do it. :D :D :D :D

[@vgaportauthority9932]

As someone who has been into VR since the DK2 back in 2014, I can say that although PSVR2 is not perfect, it absolutely is awesome. Don't expect perfection, that's never good. It's not like your TV is perfect, that thing has horrible reflections, shows 3D scenes on a 2D plane and it's often capped at 60fps and stuff like that. Compare that to VR and VR suddenly becomes a no brainer. Again, it's not perfect so don't expect that. Expect instead an amazing racing game in VR. The PSVR2 has the potential for great games in a way that the PSVR1 kinda couldn't get. GT7 is a current gen game running in VR awesomely. If this trend continues, we get some AAA games ported to VR like F1 and Ace Combat 8, PSVR2 is absolutely going to be worth owning. Rumors speak of another WipEout game in VR... WipEout Omega Collection on the PSVR1 is probably still one of my top5 favorite VR games. I hate WipEout on flat. Absolutely unplayable garbage. In VR it is phenomenal because the cars are actually controllable in VR... On a screen I just pingpong between rails all day long.

[@RimaDeNizza]

I'm flabbergasted about Sarah's hat This...this changes everything

[@martinsimracing1255]

I know right, lol

[@eDriftingAway]

I thought she was like Indian💀💀

[@martinsimracing1255]

Lol

[@nerdorkeeg]

I was stuck on two license trophies and after running through them in VR i had them both in one night. The perspective and immersion lets you judge the undulations of the road better. I don’t know, i just felt like i was judging distances better for braking and cornering 🙂

[@martinsimracing1255]

These are my feelings as well. Topography is much easier to interpret. This results in better control.

[@DOC187able]

I have a full rig with load cell pedals racing bucket seat Titan frame VR2 and I've already broken a bunch of my flat screen lap times VR is the best I can't go back NOW!!!!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Same here. I have DD Pro and v2 pedals with nlr f/gt and I am not going back to flat screen.

[@caynine29]

When I hear you on your videos all I can picture is Aldo Raine in a sim rig with a VR headset on. 😄😄😄

[@martinsimracing1255]

What a site , lol

[@caynine29]

@@martinsimracing1255... Bro, you sound JUST LIKE him... and it's fuckin' epic!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Lol

[@brendancornwell6923]

Finally someone telling it like it is. Totally agree with the person driving flat screen then trying VR for 10 minutes and saying 'nope!' It don't work like that. VR gives you depth! That will make you see the corners much better. Thanks for the upload!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah, I think guys that play like a whole lot,are so use to their view that they don’t want to commit to a new perspective. There’s just no reason why VR would slow you down in the long run if you commit, I mean it’s obvious that you can just see way more and position the car much better.

[@LucasJodokast]

i switched to VR in racing a couple of years ago after racing on a single 2D screen (on PC), took a couple of weeks to match my 2D times then i started to obliterate them, biggest advantage i find is being able to identify when youre going up or down hill but having a better sense of the physics in general is the overall advantage, of course triple screens in 2D has its own advantages aswell

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah , I agree being able to interpret the topographic changes of the track allows for much better control of the car. And it’s a big deal once you get a feel for it. How does GT7 PSVR2 compare to your PC setup?

[@LucasJodokast]

@@martinsimracing1255 im using an OG vive with a G27 so PSVR2 probably blows it away lol but i love it, usually play AC, AMS2 & Dirt Rally 2, have been wanting to upgrade the headset for awhile but tbh nothing newer seems worth the upgrade yet plus id need a new GPU & the prices are still stupid

[@martinsimracing1255]

They are bad right now

[@driflysh4597]

I'm PC gamer and had triple monitor setup (42", Full HD) for racing. Tried VR years ago, immediately got rid of the monitors, VR only since then. Never looked back (although looking back is much easier in VR 🤣). I'm happy to see you console players joining the club! 🤗

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome! I am hopeful that if PS sells a lot of these it will bring more games over to VR.

[@81Sazerac]

I just started and actually did not enjoy sim racing at all prior to GT7 VR. GT7 in VR got me excited about the whole space and I bought a gt dd pro bundled with the fanatec csl pedals with load cell brake. Load cell brake has been huge in terms of improving braking (ie. trail braking with improved exit speeds). I definitely do better in VR vs. flat screen coming from someone that has just begun racing. I think the true 3d perspective with the wider FOV supported by the stereoscopic vision is incredibly helpful when judging braking distances for trail braking and when you will hit the apex for the turn. I always do worse in 2d since I haven’t been racing for years in 2d so I do think we’ll be seeing some folks start beating record times once they’ve had a few weeks or months to really get acquainted with the new VR perspective. It’s just great for getting a sense of elevation changes and distance.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I totally agree! I bought the same setup alittle over a year ago with the Next Level Racing F/GT cockpit and have been very pleased. I couple of months ago I upgraded to the CSL Elite V2 pedals and they are amazing, if you ever decide to upgrade look into those instead of the V3’s it will save some money and I think you will be just as happy.

[@markbade565]

A HAT??? omg, need to verify for myself! Totally agree with your thesis bro. I'm also getting faster in increments, just like when I first started on flat screen. I knew this the minute I took my very first corner in VR and I nailed the apex way easier than i ever did in my life. I was sold that this thing could allow anyone to access their untapped potential in racing games

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yep, it’s a black baseball cap. My times are getting better as well and my track awareness is much better. If only I had more time to play to get even better. Lol

[@austijt]

My 1st 3 time trials with the VR2 were all faster than flatscreen mode. I love the fact that you can look into the corners instead of being blind to what is coming. It is most definitely a game changer.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree, and it turns the fun up a notch or two.

[@sasquatch8923]

I think they say that so the secret doesn't get out. lol. I was top 50 in Dirt rally 2.0 and I only played in VR. It makes you faster!! Combine VR with a sim rig and handbrake...... damn what a blast. New sub. Oh yea, PSVR has foveated rendering (butchered the spelling) which is actually a high end feature. The spot your looking at is clear while everything around it is blurry, this is on purpose to save frames.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Exactly, Yeah I a good rig but no shifter or Han brake. If it comes to PSVR2 I will definitely get the brake and shifter. What are your PC specs to run it in VR?

[@sasquatch8923]

@@martinsimracing1255 had the 3080 just upgraded to 4090, I9, 64 ram and a G2 HMD. The handbrake on Amazon wasn't very much, must have for Rally. But your so right, the PSVR is plug and play. I've spent countless hours in set up on the PC. F1 22 is awesome in VR too.

[@Webzterr]

Thanks for this. I am finding that I can match all PB in VR now and getting better!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome And so much fun too, I can’t stop being amazed by the experience.

[@RockinRob1972]

A lot of those guys that are saying that you aren't faster with VR is because they are afraid that people will get VR and be faster than them

[@DingbatToast]

Are you an A+ driver racing top split? Because they are the ones who are saying it's slower. If you are motivated to improve, then I'm sure most people will improve to become their best. If the headset motivates you, then it will help you improve. But I think, for the top guys, at the top of the leaderboards, it's just a distraction. Plus, if you're racing all day, a flat screen is just more comfortable and less mentally draining. Glad you're loving it dude 👍

[@martinsimracing1255]

I am currently A ranked. I understand where your coming from but I set these times just a few weeks before I tried them again in VR and with only a few days of VR driving under my belt. In my opinion over time those guys will change their mind , I might be wrong but I think there’s just no way in the long run this is slower. It’s so much easier to place the car and your awareness increases a ton. I think it’s just matter of committing to it. But yes your right about a streamer being more comfortable all day. That would be an issue. I can wear it for a few hours but probably not 8 hours straight. I don’t know if you have tried it yet but I promise it’s not just a distraction it’s definitely an advantage. If you get a chance to try it, I encourage you to give it a go but remember it’s just like switching views you will be a little slower at first but you will get your times back. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@Muz__27]

I also did not realize Sarah was wearing a hat. 😂

[@martinsimracing1255]

Makes you wonder what else have we missed. Lol

[@GFG2gifted]

People need to stop sleeping on psvr2. It's seriously the best way to video game currently. For example nobody has a 4k oled HDR 120hz screen in their living room. Not to mention the 110 field of view. 😂 It's so sick! I love it.b

[@martinsimracing1255]

Can’t believe people who report on video games aren’t screaming about it from the mountain top. It really has created a situation with me where if the game is not VR I can’t take the time to play it. I’m like I can play elden ring or I can actually drive a race car like for real and I can actually go inside of RE8. I mean it’s a no brainer.

[@GFG2gifted]

@@martinsimracing1255 agreed. I've been meaning to make a video detailing how you can purchase CCA C12 monitor ear buds (7-40000 hz ) to improve the immersion of the headset. I got the gold ones. I have them wound up tied to the connector. No more added weight than the originals(due to the plastic housing of the originals). Bro, the sound is better than my astro a50s by a mile. I can't put this headset down now. Check them out they're like 50 bucks.

[@GFG2gifted]

@@martinsimracing1255 I actually tried playing elden ring with the headset on and enjoyed it even more. Falling however made me want to never play elden ring again. That shit made me jump. Lol 🤣😆

[@Ownko]

This is something I instantly noticed when using VR and it doesn't just apply to this game. Every flat game becomes noticeably easier in VR.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree and 3D audio stands out.

[@mrfoxcat2]

Great content! nuff said

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks I appreciate it.

[@CarolinaLaserWorks]

I agree,I am faster after a few weeks with the VR. I enjoy it a lot more and have broken all of my old track records except maybe 2. Great video, great job debunking. I know some won’t be faster but many will.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks

[@aeriagloris4211]

I never played gt7 but I was an excellent dirt rally player on ps4 then on psvr 1. I got gt7 about a month ahead of the new headset coming out, now I've had the headset for a week and I can tell you every single one of my times is massively cut down from my non VR times. I'm out here beating lambos and Ferraris in A 69 Camaro. For me personally it comes down to the fact that I can judge speed and distance much better in VR - my turning is much, much better now, way more stable and controlled, and way more consistent.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome!

[@Mickice]

You can hug corners, judge speeds and feel distances better in VR. You will be faster.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yes you can, also the elevation changes are incredable in VR.

[@SteveSurgenor]

I totally agree, however even if I didn't I wouldn't/couldn't go back to a flat screen. I think the transition from flat screen to VR is many times easier than if you have to go the other way.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I wouldn’t go back to flat screen even if VR were slower. VR gives me what I want which is to get as close to the feeling of actually racing as I can and PlayStation gets me into VR with very little hassle.

[@HimsCrazy]

Totally agree with you man. I am definitely faster in VR and it’s a ton more fun. Went from 1:52.5 to 1:50.6 on trail mountain. Had to throw that out there😂

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome! It’s so great!

[@NinetyTres]

Opinion from A+ driver here Laptimes same in VR, lobby racing, around a tight field, definitely more of a challenge in vr Open wheel racing is where vr is just on a whole different level

[@martinsimracing1255]

I think the better you are the less improvement you will see but I still think over time you would be more consistent. But I’m sure everyone is different as well depending on there particular experience.

[@Katipa-TeTai]

Brother I just spent $1000 on my vr2 here in New Zealand its 1k just got it wooohooo less go

[@martinsimracing1255]

Your going to love it!

[@Katipa-TeTai]

@@martinsimracing1255 i have no words totally amazing just like you said

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@Katipa-TeTai and addictive Lol

[@michaelharder3055]

Great video. Subbing!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks for the sub!

[@BangThaBazie]

I am not a GT player, but I played Wipeout for more than a decade before trying Wipeout VR and my lap-times were instantly just as fast, some even faster than my times on a flat screen. And that was top 100 globally range. At least anyone who has a drivers license should immediately have an easier time intuitively judging corners and break points in VR.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Agree

[@geauxgreddy]

Sarah has on a hat? Boy, don't be fooling with me. We've had a long intimate relationship, Sarah and I, and I never noticed a hat! Question, are you looking ahead? Can you see the exit apex on a turn like T1 at Suzuka or pretty much all the hairpins, etc? I don't see how you you can't be faster if you can look ahead. That's my main complaint with a screen, I can't look ahead and draw that arc in my brain. When I autocross, I am looking at the cone at other end of the turn so I can get the car positioned where I miss that cone by a 1/4 inch. I can't do that on a 2d flat screen. Another great video Martin! Nice increase in subs as well!!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yes , I think that’s the difference. So much more awareness.

[@Q-Limited]

I'm not a good sim racer at all.. normal online time trial I struggled to make bronze. In psvr2 I was able to slash my flat time in a few laps. And the other day I got my first ever SILVER medal 🥈 Only about 4 seconds off the world record 😁😁

[@martinsimracing1255]

Keep it up.

[@dbake563]

Absolutely love gt7 with the vr2. Best racing experience ive ever had in gaming. Im already disappointed that forza motorsport wont have this feature

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah it’s almost to the point where I don’t know if I will buy a racing game unless it’s in VR.

[@kraenk12]

It’s not like Forza Motorsport was something to look forward to anway.

[@linzkirk]

Since getting PSVR2 three weeks ago I now find it really hard to drive flatscreen. Because it's less immersive I find myself missing braking points, which leads to missing apex and poor corner exit speed. Now in VR I had to put the difficulty up in single player as I was winning with huge margins and lapping other cars, I was on the Hypercar Parade Menu book. Also the visual quality is so much better than what I was achieving with PCVR with Assetto Corsa, ACC, Dirt Rally 2 & AMS2 running a RTX2080s and Quest 2. Im really impressed with PSVR2, yes the library is small at the mo, but bigger than when original quest was when it was 5 months old. Would love to see VR mode of ACC on PSVR2

[@martinsimracing1255]

Glad you are enjoying it. Yes ACC on PSVR 2 needs to happen.

[@PHGWickedQuick]

literally this week I have came into my own.. I have went from a too of the line B rated... to now a mid level A and very competitive in top split this weeks dailys.. Never returning to 2d.. VR all the way!

[@martinsimracing1255]

That’s awesome, and having more fun too!

[@smokeythebeast8288]

550 shit after playing gt7 for an hour with controller I shut the game down and literally spent $1,400 on equipment and will not touch the game until it gets here. I grabbed the fanatic GT DD Pro 8nm & upgrade kit for my pedals. And a fairly cheap cockpit. I'm building a spot in my basement then I'm going to put a decent cockpit in there. Between myself and my kids is going to get plenty of use

[@martinsimracing1255]

You will not regret it. I have the same kit and it is awesome.

[@mercuriallimit]

After watching many YT racing on VR, i think you have the most steady head lol i always had the feeling that others’ head jiggle alot(and makes me think that the precision of the headset is either not accurate or too accurate) which makes me feel dizzy. But not here,

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks I just treat like real driving. Lol

[@cyclopszn8895]

I haven't played GT in months, just got my vr headset and beat my Suzuka circuit experience easily by about 0.5s on my first completed lap. Now this could just be because game physics changed and the car is faster now.. not sure yet. Need to put in more time to learn as it is more of a realistic learning curve. You gotta learn where to start to turn to hit the apex and how early you can get on the power. As usual, each corner finding the limit.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Exactly. My times were on the same physics. It does take some seat time to adjust but it’s just easier to control the car in VR, at-least to me it is.

[@bombconnery]

My boy squabbling in his sleep, watch out now

[@morbentfel]

lol wtf the sarah hat thing surprised me

[@martinsimracing1255]

Makes you wonder what else we are missing Lol

[@passone]

The question really becomes whether it’s just a change between bumper cam vs in-cockpit. I exclusively played in-cockpit since the beginning and my lap times match up to my VR times. Sure the depth perception is there in VR, but as you said it’s all about brake markers and muscle memory for consistent lap times.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah that might be true. Although being able to look through the turns seems to help a lot .

[@vgaportauthority9932]

It's far more effective in racing styles that are more dynamic, such as drifting or rallying. For just cranking out perfect lap times over and over, you can do that on a phone screen because it's all about them braking points and muscle memory. GT racing is all about smooth perfection, VR helps a bit, but not much if you've already perfected the circuit. Use it on drifting challenges and you'll see just how easy that suddenly gets. That's where depth perception and stuff comes into play in a HUGE way.

[@NikolaBg35]

Wow! She really is wearing a hat! :D

[@martinsimracing1255]

I know right! Played this game for year and just now noticed, what else am I missing? Lol

[@dh-ro6gh]

I played cockpit view on a curved screen. In VR I absolutely got faster and I do not want to play on flat screen anymore.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Definitely VR only for me going back to flat screen would be like going back to a previous generation.

[@AmericasAlgebraTeacher]

Way faster in VR - it took a little adjustment but by the third day I was destroying all my track records and when I took it into the daily races, within one weekend I won about a dozen races and jumped from class D to class B (then I got humbled and my real lack of skill was exposed). I fell like I have more control when my rear end gets a little loose - and even take advantage of it at times. I have a much better, more nuanced feel in high speed turns. Anyway, winning a bunch of races in D and C was fun while it lasted, but definitely VR had made me significantly faster.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree with you. I will say that B level is when the competition gets tuff and high B is a lot different than low B but keep at it and you move up . It’s so much fun competing. Especially in VR.

[@ParadiseDecay]

Deserves a sub from me! - Keeping it real.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks

[@Shackattack85]

Been racing cockpit view forever now and I hope to get VR soon. Hopefully this experience will help with the VR mode.

[@martinsimracing1255]

You are going to be blown away. You will loose some visual fidelity but the immersion is unreal.

[@Empire_of_Ravens]

100% it'll help

[@Shackattack85]

@@martinsimracing1255 thanks for the feedback can’t wait to give it a try.

[@Dave062YT]

Cool but we should get faster all the time .If you went back to flat screen and couldn't beat your vr time I would be more sold on the idea .I dont really fancy VR2 and bought a new Harley Benton SC Custom plus guitar instead but glad it's as good as it seems to be and maybe I'll get one in the future .

[@martinsimracing1255]

I understand what your saying. The thing is you can get faster with less effort due to the increase in awareness, if that makes sense. But not a bad chose ethier in the guitar .

[@n3rdstrength]

I think I am just as fast sometimes faster, which is usually around 1 second off the top time in the world - this applies to GR3 and above. Road cars up to GR4, I am significantly faster in VR. I can really push much harder in VR with the added visual information in a road car. I have a leaderboard of cars I like around the nordschleife and I have been shattering those records the last two weeks. Sometimes by 10+ seconds. One big disadvantage is situational awareness when racing online. I'd love if they added arrows for cars around you, something like what ACC has. The radar isn't really usable in the heat of the moment. Also, it's been stated many times but, not having the race order information is crippling. Either way, I use VR exclusively for now and hope that they continue to improve it. Another benefit for me in VR is I warm up much faster and find myself not getting distracted like I do on a 2D screen. In VR I'm not thinking about my day at work, or shit I have to do around the house this weekend - I am completely consumed by the experience.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree with everything you said. More features that help you take in race information are needed but still allow us to turn it off when we want more immersion. They will likely improve these things over the next several months. If they had a race engineer giving you information, that would solve many of these issues, but I don't think PD will ever go that route.

[@n3rdstrength]

@@martinsimracing1255 race engineer would be amazing but yeah, highly doubt that happens in 7.

[@tapiolehto5312]

Thank you, interesting, still racing Gran Turismo 7 with ps4 pro.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks

[@Omegaxboy]

I played GT7 on VR since beginning, and whenever I tried without, I do horribly. It is just how you are used to.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Sim Racing is much better in VR the bonus is you can go faster.

[@DanWallace85]

Sarah has a hat. Wow.

[@martinsimracing1255]

It took VR for me to notice LOL

[@gt_blaze1764]

Most top split drivers agree that you can be faster in VR... in time trail. Its when you get on track with 15 other A+ drivers who have a greater sense of spatial awareness because they are in bumper cam that makes the difference. You can be faster in TT but not race conditions. Make a video proving that and I'll be impressed.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I’ll consider that a challenge. I definitely understand your point because in bumper cam which is what I was using before you are like right on the track but on the other hand without proof just my gut feeling is that I personally have so much more awareness of my surroundings and car placement in VR along with being able to ride close to the edge of walls and such. Also a lot of A+ high caliber drivers are using hood cam because they want to be able to place the car in tight spots without incident and feel like they can take their lines better in that view. Because of the visual of the car. I feel like VR gives us everything and that’s not even considering the elevation changes you experience. Do you have any ideas of how to test this?

[@gt_blaze1764]

@@martinsimracing1255 I'm an A+ driver with about 72k DR and I used VR for about 2 weeks before I switched back to a screen. In those 2 weeks I improved most of my CE records and placed higher on daily race leaderboard time trials than usual. But as soon as I went into actual races with other A+ drivers it was impossible to keep up my usual pace. The lack of a leaderboard is also a major drawback of VR. I hope to see a follow up to this video and see what your results are..

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah, I’d like to see a leaderboard as well maybe we will get one in an update. I think that if you stick with VR you would have even more awareness. I just think that most top drivers won’t be willing to sacrifice the time it takes to get adjusted. I’ve thought about this a lot and I just can’t see how once someone is use to VR they would be slower in time trial or race . I plan on using VR only from now on but I just got A ranked on my main account and I’m not going to touch it till the official World Series. But I have been doing some racing on daily races( alternate account) and I did get my first VR win in mid B the other day. Just haven’t had time to race much lately . Coaching little league lol.

[@nintense5317]

Sarah can do one! Hat or no hat.

[@martinsimracing1255]

All this time and I had no idea she had a hat on lol.

[@alextron1970]

People that care mainly about their time in a race are not sim racers but video gamers!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Maybe so , it’s fun ethier way.

[@meta7gear]

Awful take

[@dinoXAs2]

Are you potato? Racing game is not racing? Stupid idiot.

[@AceMaverick]

Haha I absolutely disagree with what people say. You ABSOLUTELY will be faster. It's not even something that needs proven. Depth awareness ads much more information for your brain to process. It does have a learning curve as you say 100% but after playing GTSport in PSVR1 for a while I literally couldn't play GT7 flat. I'm so happy they made the whole game vr its a dream come true.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree

[@KevynBGrams]

I’m way faster in VR. Spent 280 hours playing the game in flat mode, and about 20 of that trying to get gold on the S10 license. Best I ran before was 2:27.495. After less than a half hour with PSVR2, I ran a 2:25.144, and got the Gold. Since then, I have nearly finished out every race or event that I had been unable to get 1st or Gold in previously. I also will never go back to flat screen racing. Hoping that The Crew, F1, Need For Speed, and a bunch more make their way over, and sooner than later.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Good deal, yeah I’m hoping for that too. I will by those games for sure if they are VR.

[@anomalychasing5383]

Struggled with gold on several circuit exps. Put VR on and nailed them straight away. But Im a casual player. I cant testify to pros.

[@martinsimracing1255]

That makes sense. Pros have less room to improve but I feel like everyone will be more consistent.

[@DpMario11]

Did you go back to bumper cam and see how quickly you'd beat your vr lap? When you set your time prevously, you set it just to get gold. Not to go for best time. And now it takes you 30 minutes to beat a time you set just to get the gold?

[@martinsimracing1255]

The Atlanta lap was set when I was trying to learn the track for daily races. So I did that lap on flat screen several times to beat my time. But no I haven’t tried them since on flat screen to compare. Honestly I don’t want to go back to flat screen because the VR is just to good. I don’t doubt that if I keep going back and forth I will get the times close but I 100% believe I can get fast in VR in a shorter amount of time than on flat screen. VR isn’t slower and is going to bring more consistent lap times there is no way it won’t . Read all the other comments, other are experiencing the same.

[@MRD0889]

Vr will make you faster in a sim tittle, i haven't pulled the trigger on PSVR2 headset yet because i want to see what performance is like with that PC box Sony is releasing by AUG but on iracing and ACC on PC, VR helped me get faster, then I tried just a logi cam and open track app to see if i can be as fast with it just like VR. The answer is yes, and the reason is that once you get that sense of speed locked in your brain, the ability to look into the apex or into the exit of a high-speed corner, you naturally know how much and how smooth of the steer you need, the throttling in long corner to exit is the next thing to work on. All in all VR and head tracking will both help you get faster. I would love if GT7 just went in and allowed camera headtracking and an in game sound telemetry for base shakers. I ran with my sim hub with GT7 on my rigs base shakers, and it's not really 100% all there, hell its not even 80%😅 but i did take notice just getting a hint of when the back wheels are on a rumble strip or when your rear tires start to lock up, its extra info to help preventing a mistake or capitalizing when you memorize how the cars behave on what track and how hard of a drive you give it. The PS5 and GT7 are both more then capable of allowing this tech to be used but im starting to see what ppl complain about PD being just to slow on making the right moves. I've run all the Sims on pc Man. I even have a Rennsport key in my email, but I really wanted to give GT7 a try, so i bought a PS5 just for that. Dude... this is 100% a racing game or sim lol w.e the point is, the pc guys are missing out on this beautiful game man and sony and PD are missing out on way more business because they decided to go down the greedy path and lock certain wheel bases from being used. On the Fanatec side, they should of just left it with the security chips in the wheels and not the base. Not a lot of ppl are gonna just buy a ps5 for GT7 and more of them arent going to "upgrade" their wheel base for GT7 too. Mistakes were made and seems like are still being made.

[@martinsimracing1255]

I have PC now as well and I have been playing ACC in VR. The force feedback is so much better and the extra feedback seems to make me faster. Would be great if GT7 was on PC but probably will not. I have a very strong PC and sadly that’s what it takes to get the picture quality in VR to be sharp enough to play VR well. I’m really liking the PC with VR racing . Also the PSVR2 drivers need a lot of work because the performance is much worse than quest 3 . I have to turn resolution way down compared to Quest 3 to achieve similar FPS on ACC. Hopefully Sony will get this sorted out. But the quest 3 is great with my 4090 7950 x3d PC , very very sharp . But very costly to say the least.

[@diggsasura]

It's as easy as the good old "everything was better before" statement. Some people just refuse to acknowledge the world moves on, and they have to protect their investment (hours into) in the the game. Not as fast in VR is just silly. I play way more stable in Vr and got several new PBs in VR. Actually now I feel going from VR to flatscreen, is similar disadvantage as going from steering wheel to controller. Maybe odd comparison but I feel that set back on flatscreen.

[@martinsimracing1255]

That is a good comparison. I like that.

[@richitkohrichitko4355]

you will be fast on the toilet for sure! :D

[@martinsimracing1255]

That’s a good one, lol

[@Tj930]

Pros & Cons. The thing I struggle with is knowing if ABS or TC is engaged. I don't know if Logitech DD Pro with its TRUEFORCE sound effects would give more of a clue than my G29

[@Tj930]

Bumper cam shows the pedal levels (0-100%); VR view doesn't

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah Yeah I know what you mean about not seeing brake and gas inputs. With traction control are talking about how you can change the setting from 0-5 or are you talking about something else like when it flashes on the Hud? I think in VR your just getting whatever the real car gives you on it’s dash and such but I’m not sure. I just can’t go back to bumper cam after this. My racing ability is more constant and my pace is overall slightly better and for me I seem to able to get competitive times with les practice. I’m not racing on sport mode on my main account until the official World Series because I’m barely A and I want to race in GT1 just to say I did kind of like a personnel goal. They say the Logitech direct drive is the best feedback with GT7 but I’m committed to the fanatec ecosystem and I love it so I guess I will never no lol

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Someone playing with one view for 10 years and suddenly changing to another view will get slower times ... initially. It's not because the new view is slower, it's because they're not used to it, so the timings are off. It's exactly the same thing for VR, it's just another view, so initially you will be slower because you need to get used to it. Afterwards, the times should be about the same.

[@martinsimracing1255]

This I agree with. I am for the most the same but I seem to set my faster times with less practice than before and during the race my overall pace and awareness are better than before but I think we are on the same page. What bothered me was people were quick to say you want be as fast ever and that made no sense to me at all so I agree with you for the most part and I have to add it is so much more fun.

[@DrierHyperion21]

Your definitely faster in VR. You can see a lot more of the track and mentally prepare for the turns because you see them from a lot farther off.

[@jfrost1]

I didn’t know sarah had on a hat 😂

[@martinsimracing1255]

Lol

[@ironmike2798]

Got 3 new golds in final license in 30 minutes it definitely helps

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome

[@Chizz-Skidz1978]

After I got vr2 I finally got all the gold licences.. confirmed

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome, I still have S10 and then I will have them all. I just have to take the time to try because it will take many attempts lol. That one is hard the others came pretty easy.

[@Chizz-Skidz1978]

@@martinsimracing1255 after vr I smashed it by 2.2 secs

[@MeMyselfandEye127]

driving Mount Panarama in VR them curves just are different you can see everything, I would usually crash into the wall once or twice, now in VR I hug the corners way better

[@martinsimracing1255]

I know exactly what you mean.

[@Sup3rSn1per]

In 1 day I was able to get gold on all the super license tests when it would take me a day to get gold on 1, thanks to the psvr.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Awesome

[@marcusbunce3406]

🙂yes ,,,,,, yes,,,,,,,,,, YES Having been introduced to VR since the Oculus DK1,,, DK2 etc,,, VR racing is just immense,, Perspective is the key ( and a nice DD SIM setup,, upgrade your Bakes first ,, load cell is the next best step by far ) your passion and enthusiasm is for real man ,, 🤟

[@martinsimracing1255]

Thanks Yeah I got the CSL elite V2 s with dd pro and it is next level immersion.

[@enriqueviruet412]

I gree, happened the same when im get the my first steering wheel, I need adjust my brain to the new muscles memory

[@martinsimracing1255]

Me too

[@Zaid_Mohamed]

It's is so much quicker in vr in my personal experience. I'm definitely much faster in VR. I'll won't play gt7 on a Tv again, It feels awkward and unorthodox after playing it in VR. The vr advantages simply just outweigh the disadvantage. Gt7 in vr is a game changer.

[@martinsimracing1255]

No way I can go back to flat screen, it’s just amazing.

[@thejjzz]

I don’t get why the VR replay is done so badly

[@martinsimracing1255]

I agree, I don't care for the VR replay and there is alot they could have done to make it better. I'd like to be able to sit in the stands and watch my race as if I were there. Just a thought. Maybe even let us sit in the passanger seat. lol

[@bootsmanaa]

Isn't fov not adjustable on gt7? if so then the fact that vr gives you actual correct fov wil also be a factor in the faster pace.

[@martinsimracing1255]

It’s not But by position your body in ethier up or down or closer or farther away from your wheel before the camera view sets you can manipulate the view some.

[@xjoelxrd632]

Is funny how I was in a Discord call and the main debate was an ignorant piece shit and some guy arguing how VR wasn’t necessary. Like it’s true, VR Isn’t necessarily needed. But, VR is way faster than flat screen, even if is 3 screen, you’re going to be faster in VR. First, In Vr you will not just feel Understeer or oversteer through your wheel, you will actually see it happening early on since you’re in the cockpit and the movement of your VR Isn’t completely anchored to the game, while flatscreen is. In addition, when you’re in flat screen and you’re over steering most of the times you will have to do snap correction since you do not feel it in time. On the other hand, you see it happening and you also feel it through your wheel making you a sharper driver and therefore faster

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah VR isn’t necessary but neither is a wheel and pedals lol but they sure do help and make it a lot more fun. You right about feeling the car and making corrections it’s easier in VR. Also it has to be stated that VR is so much fun.

[@ripsnort8194]

Great vid man vr2 is faster 👌

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah for sure

[@kriztoppa]

Were you in Tokyo Drift?

[@martinsimracing1255]

LOL, I missed my chance .

[@earlpayton5164]

I've been sitting on a fence now for 2 weeks. Wondering if I should get the headset or not? I watched a 100 videos of people talking about the headset but you have pushed me over to fence. Thank you bro.

[@martinsimracing1255]

If you love GT7 and you have the money you shouldn’t miss out on this. It’s next level. Also if your looking for another game try Resident Evil 8. Your welcome.

[@Brockstarlan]

here I am still using my gyro driving lol

[@bloody_4523]

Honestly, I'll admit I don't play GT7 (Don't own a Modern Playstation) but I do play other racing sims like Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Automobilista 2, iRacing & The list goes on. When I got my first ever VR Headset and started to play Assetto Corsa, It was a steep learning curve from coming from 1 monitor. I would make the smallest easiest mistakes like overshoot corners, or generally just under driving the car. But over time with enough practice, Eventually I got the hang of things & actually started to get faster over time and still am getting faster every day. Now I won't even play racing sim games without VR. 10/10 would recommend.

[@martinsimracing1255]

That makes sense. It seems to me it just a matter of adjusting your braking and acceleration points form the different perspective. And then also taking advantage of the increased ability to place the car.

[@FueledbyAdrenaline17]

What the hell, Sarah is wearing a hat.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Unbelievable lol

[@Simyazzi]

Its on sale right now. 40% off!

[@martinsimracing1255]

People need to jump on it, Its defiantly worth every penny of $350.

[@jamartin005]

Was this the gr3 time trial?. And definately faster on my psvr2 than without.

[@martinsimracing1255]

It was circuit experience.

[@I-M-Pulsive]

I never played bumper cam. I always played cockpit view. I was faster in VR the first lap I drove.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Good deal.

[@BrianBaastrup]

His words tells me to buy a PSVR 2 headset, But his accent tells me to buy a nice ranch and some cattle.

[@martinsimracing1255]

That would probably be a better investment. Lol

[@ianp3112]

Interesting video but I see a major flaw in your test. If you did the circuit experience months ago and have played the game consistently, your driving skills will have improved. So yes you SHOULD be putting down better lap times. Also the grip levels and car physics have changed through updates and that may also improve your lap times! Anyway thanks for the video ☺️

[@martinsimracing1255]

I understand where your coming from but the atlanta and trail mountain times were done early February late January. And unless the 1.29 update brought different physics then the better lap times have to be attributed to VR. It seems others are experiencing the same. I will admit that test is not scientific though.

[@DpMario11]

@@martinsimracing1255 go back to bumper cam and see how much quicker you'll be then your vr time.

[@martinsimracing1255]

@@DpMario11 I suppose I could do that, the problem with that is once I get use to a view weather VR or bumper cam I will be faster until I get use to the next view. With VR I can get faster in a shorter amount of time preparing and I am more consistent so my average time goes down. I am trying to think of a way to test this. When dealing with people who have been playing the game so long its hard because they are so programed on their usually view. I don't know if you have tried VR but once you do experience it, its hard to see how once a person gets comfortable in VR how they couldn't be faster.

[@tiduspain9594]

I agree i noticed that I am faster with the vr

[@martinsimracing1255]

Good deal

[@damocaprice3382]

Go set a lap time in time trial 2d then try to beat it in vr

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah the thing is and I should have stated this in the video better but I set those lap times in January then tried them I again once I got use to VR. Now that I have been in VR since FEB 22 if I go back to bumper cam and am a lot slower then I could blame that on not being use to bumper cam anymore. I don't think there is a scientific way to prove it. It just comes down to trying it out and making your best decision but basically if feeling like you are really in a car is faster then you will be faster.

[@oceanwaves95]

Nothing to do with the video, but your accent reminds me of those actors from the 40s and 50s.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Lol, I’m from Alabama.

[@jjeeqq]

Improvement vr for sim racing is as big as downgrade of driving real car one eye shut and head fixed to forward. I have tried that and it is super akward. Why drive one eye shut when can keep both open, driving one eye shut isn't faster.

[@martinsimracing1255]

Good example. Lol

[@aussiepumpedgump2555]

at the START u WILL be slow but ive been using psvr for 2 years and psvr 2 made me so much better AND CLEANER i have more awareness of EXACTLY where someone is

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yes, just like any view you choose it takes time to get use to it. The payoff for when it clicks in VR is greater . So yes I agree with you.

[@MrGlindemann]

I am definitely faster, I'm just a better all around driver. My technique has improved so much in a week or so

[@martinsimracing1255]

Great!

[@Boooost3d]

Personal. I went from B lic to A in a day and have held my A Lic for 2 days so far with a 3rd place average. It is faster

[@martinsimracing1255]

I definitely agree!

[@kevo1978]

GT7 on psvr2-- Pros Easier to drive fair and give room to other racers on track. Easier to hit apex's Visibility sooo much better ....... everything else Cons None go and buy a psvr2. My 3rd race online was awesome. 4 racers, I'm a D they where C. Not only was my racing super clean but it felt like I had an unfair advantage over them as it was soo easy overtaking them, inside, outside didn't matter. The visibility is awesome, hitting the apexs perfectly is sooo much easier. There is no other way this game should be played. Psvr2 + full wheel setup + ps5 = racing heaven!!!!

[@martinsimracing1255]

Your right! And its so much fun!

[@jajaboss]

GT7 doesn’t allow you to adjust FOV and when i pointed it out. GT subs reddit will go mad and said it is first world problems lol

[@martinsimracing1255]

I hope they implement some additional feature in the near future like FOV adjustment. For the time being I have learned how to get around it by moving my head back and down when holding the options button then that places me higher and closer once I sit where I normally do. But I would prefer FOV adjustment in game.

[@saugatmanandhar6473]

100%

[@martinsimracing1255]

You got it!

[@darrensharpe3345]

I just don't think it's worth the average punter spending well over a grand on a PS5 a VR2 a copy of GT7 and a decent wheel and pedal set up, and even if you only need the PSVR 2 it's still 550 bucks for an incremental improvement in lap time for the better than average player's.🤔

[@darrensharpe3345]

I could get a real car for 1000-2000 bucks and it'll be much more realistic than GT7 in PSVR 2.🤣

[@martinsimracing1255]

I don’t think it’s worth just for lap time improvement. However I honestly do think it’s worth it when considering the experience that VR provides. The PSVR2 system provides an experience that would cost you triple or more on PC so I think it’s a good value. But some people don’t like VR for various reasons. So it can be subjective.

[@darrensharpe3345]

@@martinsimracing1255 it's not worth it to the average punter at current prices during a global financial crisis tbf...... did you already have the wheel/ pedals ps5 and the rig to put it in? If you did have those thing's already it's doable, but if someone doesn't have those thing's already would you seriously recommend they spend well over a grand getting on 2 grand if they want a decent wheel set and rig to put it all in just so they can experience GT7 in VR2? I've had GT7 since launch it's a boring crap game when played on flat screens and I think once the gimmick of VR2 wears off I'd be straight up bored of the game again...... when I see the price Sony asked for PSVR 2, I decided F U Sony and got myself a series X to add to my collection. A bit of a daft one by Sony if I'm honest, they generally aim themselves at the casuals, but have decided to price most casual gamers out of being interested in it.... but hey that's the anti-consumer Sony we've been lumbered with this generation unfortunately. You can spend more on a PC set up, but if you do it'll be more powerful than a ps5 and it's an open platform next to playstation so you have a lot more choices and a broader range of community support..👍🏻 If I considered spending a couple of grand on a decent set for racing in GT7 in VR2, I would only end updeciding to not bother with ps5 and VR2 and put another grad or two to it and build a proper rig.👍🏻

[@darrensharpe3345]

Another way of looking at it, is having to spend at least £500 on PSVR 2 to make GT7 interesting.😁

[@martinsimracing1255]

Yeah I my rig for year before PSVR2 but I honestly genuinely love everything about it the rig and the VR. Maybe one day I will get a PC VR setup for PC racing