Trailbraking In Sim Racing - How Slowing Down the Right Way Makes You Faster

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Danny Lee

Danny Lee

Күн бұрын

The way you brake for corners is as much of a goldmine for speed as any other area of sim racing. Here's my take on how-to and why, as well as a pep talk for those of us who think we have it nailed, there's always room for improvement - never settle. It's just like buttering bread!
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@raffitorres1714
@raffitorres1714 3 жыл бұрын
When you feel like you’re gonna miss the corner but then you hit the apex is when you know you got the braking perfect.
@39KHall
@39KHall 3 жыл бұрын
I have to practice this. I'm still at the stage of "keep the revs high so I can get on the power, so the nose will tuck in."
@jorehaast9887
@jorehaast9887 3 жыл бұрын
@@39KHall getting on the power to get the nose in??
@istachi
@istachi 3 жыл бұрын
@@jorehaast9887 I'm still at the stage of "kick it in reverse and floor it, blowing up the engine in the process"
@willb3486
@willb3486 3 жыл бұрын
@@istachi hey man, some of us are even less advanced than you
@OmegaF77
@OmegaF77 3 жыл бұрын
Your pfp describes my face when the car starts understeering.
@Bullshit_Media
@Bullshit_Media 3 жыл бұрын
I once overwhelmed the bread by pressing the knife too hard down while trying to spread the butter... The bread spun, and I ended up hard in the wall. I could have died!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen many a kitchen tile broken this way
@nathanprocter5030
@nathanprocter5030 3 жыл бұрын
One must trail butter in order to spread out the force of the knife
@mul555
@mul555 2 жыл бұрын
@Felix Fox just needs a space. break fast.
@MicInc87
@MicInc87 2 жыл бұрын
Next time try to toast it before. It should be fine.
@tls5870
@tls5870 2 жыл бұрын
What happened is the extra pressure creates heat which dehydrates the bread and causes it to seek Barry R Jam.
@muhammadnazifkarizqy7844
@muhammadnazifkarizqy7844 3 жыл бұрын
When you can explain it with bread and butter, you are clearly the master
@HERMITBOY
@HERMITBOY 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve explained this before, but this is the absolute best explanation verbally and visually ever displayed on KZbin. No further questions needed. Visually it was the faded redline demonstration. You’ve covered a variety of analogies to appeal to different levels of understanding.
@Outlaw37
@Outlaw37 3 жыл бұрын
Finding your input vs the brake factor setting is key. if load cell you should be close to 0, if 8 bit pedals default setting is just that, default. sometimes its better to have a longer curve (fudge factor) depending on your personal style of input. .3 is about where i am at on road course cars just because i always cover the brake. 0 is true linear, input to sim which gives you the best consistent feel with a load cell.
@JustinWoo
@JustinWoo 3 жыл бұрын
This comment, absolutely. This is a terrific explanation of trail braking and I loved it.
@baritonebroker
@baritonebroker Жыл бұрын
It’s considerably more effective with rear biased cars with slight oversteer. Planted AWD cars like STI/Quattro/EVO families need electronically induced oversteer. Tesla 3 Performance, some FWD hot hatches(Ford & GolfGTI) do some trickery to attempt this purposeful oversteer.
@Erelyes
@Erelyes 3 жыл бұрын
Racing class at school : brake on the straight before it's too late Me : got it Racing class at college : school lied to you Me : I KNEW IT
@queenpurple8433
@queenpurple8433 2 жыл бұрын
College is school.... 100 people who didn’t even make it through 3rd grade lol
@tristqnejdjeh7278
@tristqnejdjeh7278 2 жыл бұрын
@@queenpurple8433 preschool is school. And?
@tobiaskroger7102
@tobiaskroger7102 2 жыл бұрын
@@queenpurple8433 The definition of the step in the educational system that is called "college" varies across countries :)
@Meylan191083
@Meylan191083 2 жыл бұрын
@@queenpurple8433 Not in the UK it is not.
@yurilopes420
@yurilopes420 9 ай бұрын
racing class in school is racing taught by people who never raced all is pretty in theory but in practice stuff is different. this also kind of feels similar to the ae86/togue situation where some corners, with some cars, being faster while slightly sliding to preserve speed instead of turning at full grip
@Vegas416
@Vegas416 3 жыл бұрын
This is easily the best explanation of trailbraking. Now I know what this braking should look and feel like. Don't stop these tutorials!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, cheers for your support
@SURG3NT
@SURG3NT 3 жыл бұрын
About time somebody uploaded an accurate explanation and understanding of trail braking.. great vid 👌
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, I know there's already a bajillion explanations on what it is but some of us just need it explained in bread terms
@SURG3NT
@SURG3NT 10 ай бұрын
@bitemyshite ok hot shot! Mr 6000+ iRacing top 1%
@MrEDET
@MrEDET 3 жыл бұрын
Upgrading to load cell pedals helped me immensly in getting a more constant trailbraking. Imho one of the most important upgrades to start with. Great video!
@FelippeSenne
@FelippeSenne 3 жыл бұрын
agreed
@Dylanbforthree
@Dylanbforthree 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. And start with small BRF if you have a fanatec LC, makes it much easier to get adjusted to
@notdreadyet33
@notdreadyet33 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've used LC for years, but know quite a few e sports guys that go back to the "cheap" pedals because they're easier for them to be consistent.
@MrEDET
@MrEDET 3 жыл бұрын
@@notdreadyet33 that's very weird to hear.. I believe you ofcourse but lc made my braking SO much more consistent, right from the start. I just can't imagine that someone prefers cheap springpedals over lc pedals :-/
@Dylanbforthree
@Dylanbforthree 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEDET I actually used to feel the same way! bought my LC, then put it in the garage for 6 months when my times sucked. Later, when I got a lot better and couldnt shave off time braking anymore, I pulled it out and made the switch back to the LC. For me, the big thing I had to do was wear shoes on my left foot, at least flip flops. I was a socks racer before, and couldnt get the grip you need to properly put pressure on the LC.
@colemacgrath8556
@colemacgrath8556 3 жыл бұрын
key takeaway: *DO-NOT-OVERWHELM-THE-BREAD*
@MileRunningCrocodile
@MileRunningCrocodile 3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't figure out why someone was faster than me while his lights were still on during the turn... Then this video pops up without even looking for it. Awesome explanation!!
@Outlaw37
@Outlaw37 3 жыл бұрын
practice racing sprint cars or midgets. you use your left foot more then the right...lol you learn how to trailbrake while sideways too....:) but if you are new, depending on your brake setup. play with the brake factor setting default is like 1.50 but true linear braking is 0, if you are a heavy footed then move it up until you find your happy spot. every car is a bit different but i have cspv3's and run .3 on road course cars and 3.0+ on my dirt cars because i am always keeping brake pressure to keep grip.
@yoku_UwU
@yoku_UwU 2 жыл бұрын
Turns out I had figured out trail braking on my own. Not say I do it well, but at some point I started to do a crude version of this. Now that I know what on earth I’m doing through a corner, I can work on it. Thanks for the video!
@Valtias
@Valtias 3 жыл бұрын
All of this guys videos are great, but id say these explanations are his bread and butter.
@HardlyaDavidson
@HardlyaDavidson 3 жыл бұрын
Your comparison is actually perfect, your braking must be buttery smooth!
@X1erra
@X1erra 3 жыл бұрын
This guide is hands down the best trailbraking guide ever made. So many examples in multiple types of corners with pedal input and helping me get into the right mindset / goal. To share this to us for free is truly a blessing. Thank you. ❤️
@Jsimp0487
@Jsimp0487 2 жыл бұрын
This might be beneficial for shorter races where tire/tread condition isn't a concern. Breaking in a straight line provides more longevity for the rubber, unlike breaking in a turn.
@makoaki9071
@makoaki9071 2 жыл бұрын
You're still gonna lose more time not braking the right way and you can trail brake WHILE taking care of your tyres.
@TinyBearTim
@TinyBearTim 2 жыл бұрын
If the race is so short tyres aren’t a question people drive hotlaps constantly so idk how it would matter
@user-su2pj7qn1w
@user-su2pj7qn1w Жыл бұрын
@@makoaki9071 time is not everything.... That are alot of factors that go into winning a race. trail braking is more risky and requires extreme precision to get it right especially under pressure. I seen even the greatest drivers mess up trail braking.
@user-su2pj7qn1w
@user-su2pj7qn1w Жыл бұрын
@@TinyBearTim it does not matters if the race is short or not. You will use more tyre depending on how you drive. Trail breaking becomes harder the longer a race goes. Especially defending under prssure . Your suspension has to be set up properly to get the full benefit of trailbraking also. Trailbraking with a poor suspension setup will hinder your front end grip and make you more prone to rear tire spin/snap oversteer.
@JE-lx5im
@JE-lx5im 2 жыл бұрын
That bread analogy is why I understand trail braking
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, cheers - I stand behind it very seriously yet it does still crack me up when people say it helped them
@HalStargazer
@HalStargazer 2 жыл бұрын
i've watched quite a few videos explaning trail braking and this one is by far the clearest and best explained
@CaliMeatWagon
@CaliMeatWagon 2 жыл бұрын
Trailbraking is actually pretty easy on a controller. At least with the more modern Xbox controllers. This is because they have rumble motors in the triggers that are used to convey how much grip you have. Full rumble= no grip No rumble= full grip Rumble in the right trigger= grip loss due to acceleration Rumble in the left trigger= grip loss due to braking
2 жыл бұрын
Your are definitely not getting on the limit with a controller :/
@CaliMeatWagon
@CaliMeatWagon 2 жыл бұрын
@ LMAO!
@jordanclark4635
@jordanclark4635 2 жыл бұрын
@ on a track, nope, but on rally it’s still doable to the point of world records, and even compared to old controllers, is a massive increase on tracks
@scottd7222
@scottd7222 2 жыл бұрын
Way better on the Dualsense with adaptive triggers
@razgriz6627
@razgriz6627 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone still harking on controllers hasn't used the new ones. I am def faster with a wheel. But honestly not by much. The new duel sense in particular is really easy because you can actually feel loss of traction on the triggers.
@fukyew2936
@fukyew2936 2 жыл бұрын
The British still eat as if there’s Germans flying overhead
@11jdstein
@11jdstein 3 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I've seen on YT. I've wondered about the connection / contrast between trail braking and "slow in, fast out", but this clears it all up. I'll try this next month at the track!
@perplexical
@perplexical 2 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos, I study them carefully to become a racing god before I get on the sim and lock up into the barrier.
@jasonlange780
@jasonlange780 7 ай бұрын
First of all, I’m a complete Noob when it comes to Sim racing, what I have to tell you though is that I’ve watched six or seven videos on trailbraking, and this is the first one that I understood the whole process, you explained this so well and in-depth in a way that was so much easier to understand than everything else that I have watched so thank you for that. I will be looking forward to watching some of your other videos and other techniques.
@Vx1Hawk
@Vx1Hawk Жыл бұрын
This is the best trail braking guide i never seen before. Simply perfect! I'm into your channel for the first time and I'm going to subscribe instantly after saw this great video! Thank you so much for this explanation! It will help me a lot❤
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Ste! Just do a better job cooking your sausages than I did on this day
@ROO1KAT
@ROO1KAT 4 ай бұрын
This is by far the best explanation of trail braking on yt
@kuzniets8694
@kuzniets8694 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I learnt this by trying to perfect my laps around a slippery Silverstone, and this kind of cornering saved me. It's nice to know its theory, thanks! Now I wanna test it on karts :D
@coletrickle1775
@coletrickle1775 2 жыл бұрын
01:40 This is a method of acheiving the concept known as "inducing oversteer"
@delicrux
@delicrux 2 жыл бұрын
This is why i think every racer should learn how to drift because it teaches you throttle control and where the brake point is when braking at a highspeed. That combined with proper knowledge of trail braking. Will give you a more complete idea of how everything weaves together when you want to maintain grip and speed while corning. I have been doing trail braking since GT1 driving licence test. You literally cant pass them without using trailbraking.
@woobRobbo
@woobRobbo 3 жыл бұрын
You are an incredible communicator - keep making the vids, you're going to the top
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, real kind of you to comment. Cheers for watching
@boijorzee
@boijorzee 4 ай бұрын
You know you're doing it right when you start to feel like you can steer the car into a corner with the brakes. It really is the key to get from the point were you can go around a track without crashing to were you start doing it fast.
@j0rtsy
@j0rtsy Жыл бұрын
“Nervous” I love that. I always just say it’s gettin’ squirrelly 😅
@R.P.G.
@R.P.G. Жыл бұрын
The best way i learned to trail-brake is to tie a string from your brake pedal to your wheel. The harder you press your brake the less you can turn, but when you start turning it forces you to lift off the brakes little by little. Hope this helps someone who is having a hard time getting the hang of it.
@affieuk
@affieuk 11 ай бұрын
This is an awesome trick. I want to try this, but I'm a 3-6 months away from build a PC.
@FollowNdFeel
@FollowNdFeel 2 жыл бұрын
Baller analogy. I was already understanding what you were talking about but that example is perfect, lol.
@BlueePluto
@BlueePluto Жыл бұрын
As a pretty newbie driver in all senses, I feel like I’ve been doing some of this naturally. But this breakdown has informed me tremendously, thank you 🙏.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
That's great, keep going! And thank you for stopping to let me know, it's a big reason why I do it!
@rent2ownnz
@rent2ownnz 6 ай бұрын
Good Explanation, I ride motorcycles and trail braking is in my blood. Comes naturally to some, but others not so much. I clean up on corners with me mates on road rides
@ShadowRacing
@ShadowRacing 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos to be a better driver the most. Also, love the intro☺️
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, your support's always appreciated - proper good energy
@GODENGTOOLS12
@GODENGTOOLS12 3 жыл бұрын
Finally! The best explanation about Trail Braking! Thank you very much! I'm practicing my right and left foot a lot, but still with difficulty. I tried running at Mount Panorama and it was awful, hahaha
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, appreciate the kind words
@ashpulse8681
@ashpulse8681 Жыл бұрын
the buttering bread analogy is excellent, bravo
@Nackenzwei
@Nackenzwei 3 жыл бұрын
If you press down the knife on the butter with just the right amount of force, you will become so much faster all around the sandwich making process than all your opponents, easily a one to two seconds quicker per slice.
@Ellipsis115
@Ellipsis115 11 ай бұрын
In racing and in many things... Averages are better than peaks. Compromise is key. Trail braking is not better at braking or turning individually but it allows you to use all 4 tyres and balance the car, aero and suspension to do both together. You might take 50% longer to do both but you can do both in one go. Less braking and turning time = less time in corner + quicker corner = faster boi. This truly is a win-win-win-win. It's just the correct way to drive. Every little bit better you get at it you get wayyy better at driving in all scenarios.
@Accurize2
@Accurize2 2 жыл бұрын
This was great. I learn best when food is used as positive reinforcement.
@cercigull
@cercigull 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still new to racing and driving sims, no experience prior at all. My wheel comes tomorrow, but I've been working on trail braking the whole time I have been messing around with the couple games I have played (on controller). I heard about it from a real life touge video, showing a guy doing it and since I saw that I have been trying to get better at trail breaking. This video randomly came up, and I am glad I clicked on it because it showed me I was doing what I want to mostly right, obviously I have a lot to tweak with my lines and general driving but it feels good to not have a car explode on a nasty gutter in beam lol
@Gdad-20
@Gdad-20 Жыл бұрын
Lets not forget the Trail breaking sisters, that always comes to the party. Lift and Dab! Without thier micro inputs, Trail breaking alone, generally dances past the turn! 👍🏁🇬🇧 Nice 1 Dan
@hamafr555
@hamafr555 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, i always wondered how the hell people on youtube braked late and still managed to stop the car in time, well i was braking earlier and in a straight line. Thanks for this
@kallo182
@kallo182 3 жыл бұрын
What i learned from watching GT Races for more than 10 years, is that Trailbraking is only usable for Cars with Rear Engine, and Rear-Mid Engine, like Ferrari, R8...and others. Cars with a Front Engine like BMW, Nissan GTR, Corvette dont use Trailbraking. That is one of the Reasons why Porsche is that fast, and was always fast. They can break later than other Cars, because of the Weight in the Rear. They need to Trailbraking, to put Weight on the Front Tyres. And they can accelerate more early than others, because of the Rear Weight, they got much Traction. Porsche are hard to drive, but when you are able to controll them, nothing is faster.
@MarkNOTW
@MarkNOTW 2 жыл бұрын
What if on the front engine cars the brake bias is 50/50?
@emregungor7
@emregungor7 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that I am doing trailbraking in some corners unconsciously but I learned now what it is and i will use it for all corners, thanks for the video.
@trenty4711
@trenty4711 2 жыл бұрын
Huh well what a clear description of trail braking...props buddy.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers man
@jalopy_jeff
@jalopy_jeff 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is just now getting in to Sim racing I love this. I definitely was not thinking about trail braking, more of an accident with late braking. Definitely Subbing for more videos like this! Thanks!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, thanks for the kind comment
@mr.nobody5140
@mr.nobody5140 2 жыл бұрын
okay that bread and butter analogy made this technique perfectly clear for me. i actually managed to nail my trailbreaking. thank you!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, cracks me up every time when someone comments this. So good to hear man.
@vini.b.costa59
@vini.b.costa59 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Danny! As a newbie simracer, this is really helpful! I'll also watch the break bias video, so I stop spinning a lot before trying and improving trailbreaking hahah
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, I hope it helps keep spirits high and results strong, you're the ones I mostly want to help
@musicmotifdatabase665
@musicmotifdatabase665 8 ай бұрын
i tapped into this in GT7 in the lastest daily race, this will come in handy
@JDMAddiction-bv9mu
@JDMAddiction-bv9mu Жыл бұрын
Love the buttering bread analogy lol. It works on several levels because this will definitely be a persons bread and butter for basic racing.
@luismigueldias2425
@luismigueldias2425 21 күн бұрын
Awesome video, Im getting to understand trail breaking much better. A must watch if you are new to Sim racing.
@sigmundsakoman7448
@sigmundsakoman7448 3 жыл бұрын
It's been said before and worth saying again, but simply the BEST verbal and visual demonstration available. I will be ensuring my co-driver (my son) learns from this as I can't explain it this well. You are to be applauded. I'm guilty also of the obscure comparative analogy, love it, and breakfast will now look very different to me. Cheers.
@jaason2157
@jaason2157 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! What an informative video! Thanks mate! About a year into sim racing and this is by far the best trail braking video I’ve ever seen.
@RobertHopkinsArt
@RobertHopkinsArt 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Trail Braking and BB videos! This has really helped me to visualize what I am doing wrong.
@SlammedZero
@SlammedZero 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! This was, by far, the best video I have seen on trail braking. Not only the way you explained it, but your illustration at the beginning of the video really helped. Again, thank you. Will subscribe.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, dude - I love to think that it's helping people, so cheers for taking a minute to tell me how you felt. 👍
@erikrainieri1772
@erikrainieri1772 Жыл бұрын
One of the best explained trail breaking videos, thanks. I always struggled with this tecnique because by playing on pad i have problems getting used to control how much steering i'm putting in and that is dangerous if i'm steering while breaking. And i always thought i'm probably doing something wrong, so i found myself faster by breaking hard as hell, using the shortest gear to snap in the entering of the corner then steer 100% and use the gas to open and close the radius. Now i got me a Logitech G920 wich will arrive today, i hope i will finally learn trailbraking properly now xD
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks man, you're a beast for even trying it on controller, that would be mega hard! A wheel should be a massive improvement
@erikrainieri1772
@erikrainieri1772 Жыл бұрын
@@dannyleeracing TY
@MasterCamus
@MasterCamus Жыл бұрын
Mate your videos are the best I found online. The brake bias one helped me to go below .36 on Zandvoort. I shaved .3 from my previous best. Now I sit on 1:35:83 😊
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks man, love hearing stories of it working for people - bet that feels good having picked up genuine speed and pace!
@projectxmotorsport
@projectxmotorsport 2 жыл бұрын
The way you simplified information even for people that might not be into racing or sim would understand was admirable, it is what got my interest. Amazing job brother keep it going.
@GMCRaptor
@GMCRaptor 3 жыл бұрын
Another great clear vid Danny. Even though many of us already understand these lessons, there is much value in your revision lessons. Keep it up👍🇦🇺
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting - I really wanna help folks in their first year of racing most of all, but inspiration is applicable at all stages and I've found myself taking some of my own advice on board more.
@h0pesfall
@h0pesfall 2 жыл бұрын
Best explanation about this ever. You deserve a cookie for this. Don't have one, so I subscribed!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry man, a sub is just as sweet! Cheers
@mauriceroijen7486
@mauriceroijen7486 Жыл бұрын
Wow Danny. This is a game changer. After watching this video I went for the track and practice practice practice. Now I'm seconds faster and the steering goes much more fluently. Thnk you so much. Next chapter: practice how to use the B-bias properly.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
That's amazing, thanks so much for letting me know that it's had some impact - makes it all worthwhile
@kitten11977
@kitten11977 3 жыл бұрын
thankyou, your style of explanation is second to none. MORE PLEASE DANIEL
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers, thanks for the comment and for watching. Always working on more!
@Sabba7h
@Sabba7h 3 жыл бұрын
No no... the bread on butter analogy is really good actually. I'm a decent trail braker but I'm still missing that extra grip mid corner sometimes, that really helped. Thanks.
@andrewgoldsmith9764
@andrewgoldsmith9764 Жыл бұрын
the best explanation of trail braking bar none, thanks DL i actually understand it much better now and iv just hit the like and subs button 👍
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 11 ай бұрын
Thanks man, appreciate that a lot!
@Ash_18037
@Ash_18037 2 жыл бұрын
If you think trail braking is difficult, try doing it at the same time as heel-toe shifting in a manual car! You need to use both techniques simultaneously when slowing down into corners. Without a pressure sensitive brake pedal, driving a manual car fast is so much more difficult.
@ChristoFerrus
@ChristoFerrus 5 ай бұрын
so basically a minimal drift
@cesmatt
@cesmatt 3 жыл бұрын
Good analogy about bread and butter....although you made me hungry lol Great Vid!
@SaltyBob355
@SaltyBob355 2 жыл бұрын
I usually go full gas on the inside line whilst ricocheting off the opponent on the outside line to nail the apex. This gets somewhat difficult when you’re in the lead.
@jonboy2950
@jonboy2950 3 жыл бұрын
I echo the sentiment below, this is one of the best explanations for the technique i have seen on youtube. Thank you very much for providing this, i am sure it is going to help many people improve their laptimes.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting
@preston8367
@preston8367 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! I understand trail braking. Thank you!! Very in depth
@Leroyjenkinsjnr
@Leroyjenkinsjnr 6 ай бұрын
Great explanation. Just recieved the truebrake I ordered after watching your review. It feels a bit daunting as I've just swapped to a wheel as well. Everything seems up in the air at the moment. Small steps I guess. Videos like yours definitely help. Thanks for your efforts
@Outlaw37
@Outlaw37 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you giving your explanation, you are correct. But if you want to learn how to be fast trailbraking then run dirt oval for practice. In a non wing sprint car, midget you use your left foot more then the right foot. If you spin out alot in a road course car, it means you are lifting all the way off the throttle. if you keep the chassis bound you will keep grip... You should use the brake factor to find the right fudge factor based off of you input. With fantec cspv3's 0 brake factor is linear(actual input to sim) i tend to be .3 to .6 depending on car. On dirt I turn up the fudge Brake Factor to 3+ because I am never off the brakes come feature time when track is slick. brake factor accommodates lower resolution pedals(non load cell) so you aren't just locking up the brakes if you give them some hard input into a corner. Also, something to test out that I do. Turn the traction control to a very low setting, and the ABS or stability managment. That will allow you to actually feel the car better on entry/exit and get used to driving it more on the edge. I like the AMG GT3 and run TC just above OFF and I set ABS at about half until i find where brake bias works while braking all the way through a corner. then i will turn it up a bit once it felt good. in fixed set, not sure if you can even change brake bias, but brake factor is your friend to find your input to response "sweet spot"
@scarface4u2
@scarface4u2 Жыл бұрын
This guide was very helpful. My lap times were more consistent and faster. What a thought, you can go faster if you go slower (at times). Thanks for guide.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind feedback and for watching. Go get it!
@hansdietrich83
@hansdietrich83 3 жыл бұрын
I watched many videos on trailbraking and thought I did it correctly but recently i noticed, I did it wrong. I lifted off the brake way to much, basically not pressing it at all. You have to get your brain to intuitivly understand, that slamming the brakes between 70%-100% creates massive understeer but using maybe 20% actually improves the cornering. I was always "afraid" to trailbrake harder, because in my mind it would make me understeer, even though it has the exact opposite effect.
@Sound_Wave117
@Sound_Wave117 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. For lower level drivers like myself... Gold!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers man - the fact you're out here seeking knowledge means you won't be calling yourself a lower level driver for long. Keep going!
@KyleSpoor
@KyleSpoor 3 жыл бұрын
SUCH A GOOD EXPLANATION!! ... also that bread analogy was * Chefs Kiss*
@owo2528
@owo2528 3 жыл бұрын
Was a little bit skeptical if I can do it on a keyboard since I don't have a sim rig/ controller but after a month, I'm gettin used to it, thx a lot mate! :)
@jamesbowman7963
@jamesbowman7963 2 жыл бұрын
Lol the butter bread analogy is stellar ha ha... So today class we will start by opening a loaf and applying butter. Next lesson tire temps and we will start with frozen butter ;0] Honestly great video and my nickname is Captain Analogy or something akin to that.
@zachfrender9130
@zachfrender9130 3 жыл бұрын
nice bread analogy
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to tweak your knife bias if it veers off the bread under spreading
@Kalengo_Gaming
@Kalengo_Gaming 5 ай бұрын
I've never seen this concept explained so nicely. I'm definitely subbing! keep it up!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 5 ай бұрын
Much appreciated, and thanks for stopping by!
@bolopitt
@bolopitt 5 ай бұрын
Very instructing, but it's the bread and butter analogy that got you the like!
@bernardoteodosio
@bernardoteodosio 2 жыл бұрын
Got my like and my sub just with that bread and butter analogy. So good.
@TimmyTheSnail
@TimmyTheSnail 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on trail braking, no question!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Snailbraking
@TimmyTheSnail
@TimmyTheSnail 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyleeracing yes 😂😂😂
@DynamiteT
@DynamiteT 3 жыл бұрын
Best video I’ve ever watched on the subject....trying to improve on F1 and Forza as I’m a relative newbie. This will help!
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, happy to hear it's got you optimistic! Have a good'un
@MrSaemichlaus
@MrSaemichlaus 3 жыл бұрын
Every technique in racing minimizes and smoothes out stresses on the car RELATIVE to the speed you're going. Because of that, you'll also be a smoother limousine driver if you apply these techniques (while arriving at the destination at the exact same time). Or a faster limousine driver, while putting the same amount of forces on the passenger as before. Trailbraking is all about smoothly transferring the passenger's bum from braking force to side load.
@Watercooledguy
@Watercooledguy 3 жыл бұрын
Your suspension has to be set up properly to get the full benefit of trailbraking also. Trailbraking with a poor suspension setup will hinder your front end grip and make you more prone to rear tire spin/snap oversteer.
@ovekvam
@ovekvam 11 ай бұрын
When trail braking, the line into the corner is slightly different. You should turn in earlier, as if going for an early apex. You carry more speed, with a straighter approach. As the trail braking lowers the speed, the line tightens, and you hit the same apex as you would without trail braking. The trail braking line is shorter and faster. It resembles a section of a spiral (clothoid or euler spiral), instead of the more circular arc you drive without trail braking.
@GUN69_
@GUN69_ 2 жыл бұрын
simply thank you. I have learnt something new in a topic I thought I know in an ok-level. The bread and butter analogy was hillarious :D
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, glad it was insightful. Always love it when someone references the bread and butter example.......
@krameohotman
@krameohotman 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'll be stealing that bread and butter demonstration for friends, thanks
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, please let me know how that goes. It's perfect for formal dinner parties. And job interviews.
@MyChannel-ky2dh
@MyChannel-ky2dh 3 жыл бұрын
Dude imma total racing/sim noob and your explanations made perfect sense! Great video! Ty! 🤓
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching man, you are exactly the audience I want to hit the most so it's good to hear. Enjoy racing!
@adamcasciato1430
@adamcasciato1430 3 жыл бұрын
That explanation was on point! I thought I understood trail braking before this video only to figure out I was completely wrong! Cheers!
@Captain_Terp
@Captain_Terp 2 жыл бұрын
I seem to overwhelm the bread a lot. Thanks for this video.
@XX2000William.PlanBee
@XX2000William.PlanBee Жыл бұрын
one of the very best video explaining trailbraking, thankyou danny thankyou
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@mr.nobodyx
@mr.nobodyx 4 ай бұрын
dude this is the best explication I could find out there, thank you
@petervegh1296
@petervegh1296 7 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation! I still suck at trail braking but at least I fixed my bread buttering! :D
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 7 ай бұрын
Yeah but which of those will get you further in life
@rhubarbpie2027
@rhubarbpie2027 2 жыл бұрын
I've been to Summit Point! So cool to see it featured in a well known video.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
So cool to have a video referred to as well known! Summit Point is a common track in iRacing but it's one of the oldest on there - I remember racing on it back in 2010 when I first found iRacing...
@nzmike7497
@nzmike7497 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome explanation - thank so much for taking the time. Only issue I have now is that on every corner I'm now thinking about sausage sandwiches and the thought of it makes me miss the apex every time.
@dannyleeracing
@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Not just sausages, but badly cooked ones
@erikschiegg68
@erikschiegg68 2 жыл бұрын
You can even see the inner front wheel lifting off a bit from the track. Nice video, I'll use this on DiRT.
@christianwardally573
@christianwardally573 2 жыл бұрын
This is how you explain trail braking, great vid!
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