Guard Dog Helps Stop Trespassing Hunters

WARNING: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS VIDEO FEATURES FOOTAGE OF HUNTING AND DISCUSSION OF HUNTING-RELATED TOPICS. I had to call the cops to the farm last night because we had illegal hound hunters raiding our farm. Luckily Toby Dog (our livestock guardian dog) saved the day and gave me a chance to confront them.
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[@MintBiscuits]

You said one of the guys identified themselves as the nephew of a neighbor so definitely go and talk with the neighbor and let him know what is going on. When you live in a small town area you don't want relatives ruining the family name.

[@jupiterskiss]

This 10000%

[@killjoydx]

Screw them

[@naurrr]

yeah that neighbor needs to be told this is unacceptable, and explain to them what happened

[@strayiggytv]

That sounds like good way to get your neighbor to throw poison over the fence for your animals or vandalize your home. You can't trust people not to escalate a situation to dangerous degree if they feel you "slighted" them in some miniscule way.

[@MintBiscuits]

Morgan already chased these people off his property so if they are going to poison his animals b/c they got their feeling hurt then they will do so - they won't wait till after he has a conversation with his neighbor. The "slight" has already taken place. Fear of retaliation is not grounds for Morgan to say nothing when people are trespassing on his property OR for finding ways to address the problem. As someone from rural farm country it's quite common to go talk to your neighbor if there are issues rather than calling the cops first - especially if someone is using a family connection to justify their actions. Not doing anything due to fear of retaliation also just invites the trespassing to continue again and again. If people have decided they are going to mess with you they will mess with you, but that should not stop a person from righting a wrong.

[@sswwooppee]

Press charges Morgan. You told him to leave after telling them they were trespassing and they didn’t. Do *not* let this slide!

[@jamescanjuggle]

yeah sadly theres no room for tolerance in these matters. You have to be heavy handed otherwise you lose every time

[@ArisuOkami]

yes definitely!! and had his farm not been fenced off, I'm pretty sure those hunting dogs would have taken out a bird or two (if he still has some ducks out or something especially)! Toby would have tried to protect them, but if there were multiple he could have gotten hurt badly (im worried for pablo and the other cats too)! I'm so glad nothing bad happened and no-one was hurt, but these people definitely did not get the hint and I feel like they might be doing this again near or on your land D:

[@sswwooppee]

@@jamescanjuggle In my experience, there lots of wiggle room for trespass if the land in question isn’t posted or isn’t properly posted. All that ends though, when the landowner tells you to leave. All excuses for accidental trespass are done. I would have lost my 💩 when one of trespassers talked back to me like that.

[@Mulberrysmile]

You have to read the laws for trespass and hunting and animals. I’m in VA, and I think that I recall that hunters can retrieve their dogs, but should try to get permission. To me, this seems to encourage bad actors who use their dogs as an excuse to go wherever they want, but anyway, one should ALWAYS read the laws and ordinances for the state and local area.

[@digadigado]

@@sswwooppee the fact that he personally told them to leave and they were trespassing though is a big one in his favor

[@blitzmonkey97tv30]

“Ages and BMI’s well over 40” is such a nice way of calling someone old and fat 😂😂😂😂😂

[@kelleywyskiel8513]

I grew up on my grandparents full working ranch and vividly remember being a young child and being woken up suddenly by the ranch hands, cousins, and my grandfather armed up and jumping on the mules and heading out to confront poachers after hearing gunshots. It’s amazing how quickly a livestock guardian dog and a pack of mules can get across a few hundred acres when switched into work mode. No one was ever nice about it when a hunter crossed into cattle territory no matter how far away they thought they were from the barns.

[@bout3fiddy]

LOL as someone who hunts this is absolutely ridiculous. They were lying out of their butts. If you want to hunt on someone's land, you knock on their door and ask them straight up. If there are "no trespassing" or "no hunting" signs, you don't even ask, you take the loss and leave. That's common courtesy. And even if you've gotten permission beforehand for being on the land, you ask every single time. You never know when someone's out taking a hike or working the land.

[@benny_lemon5123]

My thoughts exactly! You wanna risk taking a shot at an animal only to find out theres a house or pasture just past the trees behind your target? Like, Vermont law aside- "can" does not equal "should"!

[@defeatSpace]

Exactly, the perpetrators in this video need to be found and charged.

[@aerattay]

absolutely spot on Alex.

[@omnigar9611]

100% concur

[@maryannroche5650]

@@Tanks_In_Space "So called hunter?" Are you even serious? I would believe Morgan over night time, gps style hunters any day - my family hunts with permission, the old fashioned way, by following their well trained dogs, and never without permission. Of course, I live in New York, and we have laws to cover this stuff.

[@XusernamegoeshereX]

"We can't control the dogs" Definitely not what a legitimate hunter would say, but ok

[@hel117]

that's not what any reasonable dog owner of any kind would say, like even companion dogs should either respond to voice commands or be on a leash

[@nothing-kn3tc]

@@hel117 exactly, it’s like saying you can’t control your kid from kicking random people because he won’t listen.

[@BobbityBob19]

@@jeremyf2720 you're not a farmer with livestock are you? Thank you for your comment.

[@BobbityBob19]

@@jeremyf2720 My apologies, I mean any dog on your property that you have not oked. I love dogs, but it sickens me to my stomach thinking of having to putting down sheep with horrific injuries due to being been mauled by dogs. Not just feral dogs, but more often peoples pets that have been allowed to roam. I know its not the dogs fault, but any unknown dog worrying stock gets put down. Its not just the economic cost, but having to witness the suffering of the animals. All the best to you and your animals.

[@spunkmire2664]

@@BobbityBob19 No you keep the dog and say you want your hunting dog back, it will cost you 200 dollars. 300 for the gps collar.

[@imjustmedontworry6085]

As someone with almost 50 sheep, 30 ducks, and almost 40 chickens. This is terrible. People need to start taking more responsibility when hunting, not just that but it’s unfair to farmers.

[@rcar9115]

I just got to the seven minute mark of this video and you've taught me that Vermont has insane rules for posting your land. How awful that as a property owner, you have to jump through so many hoops. I had Vermont on my future move list but, this may alter my decision. Thank you for the information.

[@acjohn6995]

Nah, we need more animal-friendly people there, please move to a red state.

[@shaded2324]

@@acjohn6995 why should they move to a red state?

[@acjohn6995]

@@shaded2324 We animal-rights people are making good headway against some of the worst trapping and sport hunting states like VT, trying to ban those activities, where animals are in the most danger.

[@oldogre5999]

How about Act 60, how about the fact that the ONLY people paying for the school system is the landowners but EVERYONE gets a voice on how they are run and what it costs! So renters get FREE SCHOOLING but get to insist on all the latest things! How about some of the highest taxes in the nation. Oh, and for what its worth Vermont is a firm believer in Agenda 21...

[@rcar9115]

@@oldogre5999 That is off the charts crazy. Three of the four wheels have come off of the wagon and it's careening down the road with certain disaster imminent. People have to get more involved. I'm in PA and my neighbors are so complacent, it's frustrating as all get out. They see me standing up and winning but instead of joining me, they look at me as an outsider. This nation is in big trouble.

[@charlottemajewski5992]

This is why toby needs back up

[@donnaml8776]

I totally agree. Toby need at least one other Toby if not two.

[@inonshani4887]

YES! get more Toby!

[@skylarandrews9729]

They're in the process of trying to get another dog.

[@peytonkieninger4236]

i think he needs at least a trio of dogs to defend against bears, coyotes and stray dogs.

[@arnljot9030]

By back up do you mean an AR-15? If so, agreed.

[@apis1156]

That is so frustrating! Any decent hunter would respect the owner, apologize, and leave the land immediately. If they can't control their dog by voice, thats just lazy ownership. Those people are nuts.

[@mr.behaving]

you bet your behind that if that was me trespassing, i'd be back there the next day on the doorstep, hat across my chest and making things right. As a hunter, any land you can actually get permission to is good land, may as well make an effort to keep hunting it if you can, if not well, those are the breaks

[@the11382]

Pretty sure you are legally responsible for the actions of your dogs.

[@clarehidalgo]

My dad was like that with dogs, got his duck dog when my mom was on bed rest with my sibling and had already told him she didn't want a second dog and wouldn't be training it for him if he did. He refused to train the dog then said he was untrainable despite the AKC saying the breed was super easy to train

[@bikerkat01]

@@the11382 When they are protecting your property on your property, the trespassers are liable.

[@kaylizzie7890]

If you can’t control your dog, don’t let them off leash, it’s that simple.

[@Luetzow1]

Watching this as a German, I can only say: You really need to update your hunting laws. It's bonkers that the land owner is required to post and update signs. That's a stupid rule.

[@kleineoOoStern]

In France we have really good laws but hunters still trespass, cut the fences, damage properties (gun shells everywhere, rest of their lunch and empty beer bottles, etc..), shoot in direction of houses, kill their own dogs, other hunters, hikers or other domestic animals all the time. Laws don’t change the fact that a lot of people in poor rural areas think that every square meter of land is theirs to use and do what they want without any courtesy nor respect for their neighbors.

[@Tijuanabill]

Maybe Germans should just shut the fuck up about the laws of other countries, for another couple hundred years.

[@Vora_Vixen]

@@kleineoOoStern yeah but in that case they can get in trouble for it, there is nothing you can do if its legal

[@izabeera166]

@@secoady You are absolutely right about the Germans :D As a European from neighbouring country I can confirm. haha

[@-karmalol-]

It makes sense to post those signs. They not only mark your territory, but they also say that, "Hey, you cant hunt past this point. that would be poaching and tresspassing."

[@Noah-nm1cb]

As a hunter myself you were completely in the right those people give us a bad name.

[@bchearne]

They play the same “local” card here in western NC. Poachers told my cousin “we’ve been hunting this land for 40 years.” It’s like, oh great, you’ve been poaching my family’s land for decades and that makes it ok? We’ve owned it the whole time

[@speedreader2660]

Lucky they don’t get shot here in NC

[@kellomant8131]

@@speedreader2660 Exactly you don't go onto peoples property in NC lol thats hella dangerous and if they been doin it for 40years its a miracle someone hasn't shot them

[@caydenmcmahan7176]

What part of western North Carolina are you from I’m in canton

[@speedreader2660]

@@caydenmcmahan7176 I’m not OP, but also being from Western NC, they gotta be from some of the foothill counties like Caldwell, Alexander, etc. all the people like that live there 😂

[@stevencoardvenice]

Well technically that is a legal defense. In some states, They can argue that they acquired that part of your land by adverse possession, because you didnt do anything about it for 40 years

[@Siseja]

"We cant control the dogs" as if that's any kind of excuse and not a straight up confession that you shouldnt allow those dogs off their leash ever

[@rich7331]

.... You really have no clue what hunting dogs do.. do you? Your so brainwashed by city living that you lack all understand of how the world works outside city limits. Only in city's are dogs on leashes. Mostly due to city peoples in ability properly train and control their dogs.

[@rich7331]

@@jimbull6630 sounds like you need to take better care of your chicken. A bad farmer blames the animal, a good farmer plans for animals acting like animals.

[@harmonicaveronica]

@@rich7331 use of leashes are mostly due to a lot of cars and respect for other people, actually. I find that the vast majority of dogs in cities are actually better trained because they interact with so many more people, and so their owners are careful to make sure they don't jump on strangers, steal food from outdoor restaurant tables, or pull hard on the leash and drag themselves and the owner into traffic. They might not be able to hunt/herd/guard anything, but that's because people on the city don't need them to because they're just pets! The only kinds working dogs you find in a city tend to be police and service dogs. Many people could walk their dogs without a leash without trouble, but it's against the law and disrespectful to anyone who might not like/is afraid of strange dogs. And people are unable to train and control their dogs anywhere! Like the dogs the hunters in this video had, who they themselves admitted they couldn't control well enough to recall when they needed to

[@unholyheretik]

@@rich7331 These aren't hunting dogs if they aren't controllable, they're dangerous and liable to get fucking shot.

[@Siseja]

@@rich7331 brainwashed by city living you say? How. I'm a farmer born and raised and still am. I'm even a poultry farmer who has grown up surrounded by leash free farm dogs. And they're all properly trained so that letting them roam freely is safe. A dog is an apex predator and it's only safe to let them off the leash if you know you can control the dog should a situation occur. That goes twice for hunting dogs

[@Saddlemomma]

As a former Vermonter, we had 3 dogs, but never hunted with them. However, WE ALWAYS HAD CONTROL OVER OUR DOGS. We lived on a remote mountain, 24 acres & 1,000' driveway, with 5,000 acres of state forest behind us. Our dogs always ran loose together. One evening I suddenly heard our massive, Belgian Shepherd (220#) start sounding the alarm. Knowing it was hunting season, as we are also hunters, I ran out of our house and headed in the direction of Zeus's growling and barking. When I came upon him, I yelled "Hey" to alert the hunters. They were being kept at bay by Zeus, but had their rifles in a somewhat protective position. I told them they were on a private residence with children present and to please shoulder their arms, and I would call the dog off. They did so, and I told Zeus to "come". He immediately quieted, went off guard and came to me. Keep in mind this is a dog I rescued as a repeat escape artist from a shelter -- basically a "throw away" from his previous breeders -- who had no training, and we never formally trained him but just let him know what was acceptable and what wasn't through praise/reward system. I escorted the hunters to our driveway, thanked them for not shooting Zeus, and advised them to keep in mind that many residences are tucked into remote areas of the mountains. Luckily for them, they didn't wander to my neighbors place to the north. They have wolf hybrids that are the size of small ponies...lol. Thankfully our encounter was relatively peaceful.

[@rcar9115]

I have had similar problems with locals who feel that they have the right to hunt on my property without permission. They have torn down my signs and broken my cameras and I have had the police out but never have caught them. I had a Constable who recently stepped up to help me curtail these problems and he taught me the following (this is for Pennsylvania, but it might be similar in other states): 1. If you mark trees, rocks, and posts with purple spray paint lines (a vertical 1" line that is no lower than 3 feet from the ground and no taller that 5') you only have to spray them less than 100 feet apart ~ then you do not need to hang signs. 2. A hunter may enter your property to retrieve a hunting dog but, they must not be armed while doing so. 3. In Pennsylvania, the act of anyone who enters your property without observing the above rules, is considered defiant trespass and is punishable by up to a year in jail and $2,500 in fines. And if trespassing occurs while hunting, additional game-law violations - and additional penalties - also might apply. If you contact the Game Commission as well, they have far reaching authority to investigate trespassing complaints and enforce trespassing violations as a primary offense, even if game-law violations aren’t alleged and the agency will enforce trespassing aggressively. I truly hope that this information helps someone because this sort of thing is incredibly scary and frustrating.

[@PaperSeraphim]

No, Sir; As a hunter, please do freak out about this. These guys give hunters a bad name. You are COMPLETELY in the right here. The thought that Hunters in your state can just wander onto private, agricultural property, just because of improper signage; it's ludicrous.

[@idklol2023]

Yes exactly, that’s not an okay thing to do :(

[@yolandaramirez7368]

I know it's simply unknown you trust passing and you cannot do that

[@Jordan-or8wu]

Yeah it's up to the hunter to study maps and property, my dad went hunting with someone and they fell a tree in Canada for their fire and it went over a fence they couldn't see and the owner drove his quad over and waited while they repaired the fence😂 (it ended up being fine they were really embarrassed)

[@RedHawk.Sokotra]

Yep, I have no problem with responsible hunting but private property is private property. I would also be prepared to defend yourself with a tool, preferably a firearm, because you never know who you are going to come across in the middle of the night. Key word is defend. I'm not saying brandish it threateningly, but it's a tool like any other. "A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

[@oldogre5999]

It's caused by the liberal infestation in Vermont's government and because if hunters were NOT allowed to trespass freely then they would not be able to hunt at all considering 99.999% of VT is privately owned!

[@Talis1717]

I’d probably keep an eye on Toby dog just in case those people try to sneak onto your property and bait him out of spite because they got kicked of your property for being rotten sports. People do all kinds of crazy things over pitiful things.

[@maryannroche5650]

Very true.

[@ArmedChicano]

So fucking sure it makes me want to grab my gun

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT

[@rhysforestlord]

this 1000%

[@annwithaplan9766]

Yeah, like what happened to Toby's kin.

[@robmccarthy9733]

Yeah, they pull that "local" card on the ranch out here in New Mexico too. I had a lady and her kids trespassing and screaming at me and saying "It's our land," and "we built all these fences." The entitlement is disgusting.

[@danalynnbuckley744]

“Men with ages and BMI’s over 40” I am deceased. I’ve never commented on a KZbin video, but this one is worth it! I love the Gold Shaw farm

[@rowdy1955]

In Texas, there would be a sign every 200 feet on the fence saying, "Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."

[@carolestephens8198]

And again and again, till we get it right! 😉

[@libbysevicke-jones3160]

I can guarantee she never graduated- or if she did she only qualified as a defence lawyer

[@kylegamer48]

Anyone on this land without owner's permission will be given 30 seconds to leave of their own power.

[@RoraighPrice]

in the uk asuming you own a gun you can in theory use it in self defence, but you can only shoot someone from their front, you can shoot them in the back.

[@adamlambboy8332]

I feel like you guys are a bit too gun happy down there, no offense. Unless I was being attacked, or my animals were being attacked, I wouldn’t shoot someone for trespassing. I’d report it to the police and be done with it. Whether they’re hunting illegally or not, that’s a human life, and it’s valuable, no matter how stupid they are. Idk, as a northerner it feels like a lot of southern people share this idea that if someone comes into your property illegally you have to shoot them. You don’t know why they’re there, or what their situation, this shoot now, ask questions later attitude could result in an innocent person being killed.

[@yeah_i_likeCartoons]

Morgan: “It was pretty late, around 11:30. I was sleeping when this happened.” 90% of his audience: *watching his videos at 2am*

[@cherylfodal9430]

🤣🤣🤣

[@TheOriginalHymn]

Factssss

[@snikkerr1949]

🙋‍♀️

[@adambrown3918]

LOL! Yep!

[@wmnoffaith1]

Farmers generally rise early, unless I'm mistaken, therefore, they have to get up early. Animals have to be fed in the morning; they can't just say, Sorry, I was hanging out late with the guys. You're going to have to settle for brunch.

[@Alsaela]

I love how you handled the situation like a professional. If it were me, I would've pretended I was heavily armed and would've yelled "[insert name here], GO GET MY SHOTGUN! WE GOT TRESPASSERS!"

[@TheMattTrakker]

It seems a good way for the people to get shot. If you see people running onto your property at night, with lights and guns it's not hard to believe people could mistake that for something other than dick head hunters.

[@-karmalol-]

Lmao, i probably wouldve freaked out like that too

[@gregwarrener4848]

out numbered by hunters with long guns in the dark is not a winning strategy. they will end you and claim self defense. + by law you would need to fire warning shots and blanks and inefective bird shot before being aloud to shoot lethal shots at them, by then your already dead.

[@nowandaround312]

As soon as he said "we can't control the dogs" (what?!?!) I would have said "You're telling me there's out-of-control dangerous dogs on my property near my ducks and geese? I'm getting my shotgun. You better get your dogs and leave before I find them." I love dogs and would never hurt one unless it was truly necessary but I think I'd be so furious if I was in that situation that the bluff would definitely be convincing

[@stephenhopkins2275]

That's one of the most ludicrous laws, I've ever heard of......however as for the mystery sounds. It sounds like a pack of hounds. My family live in rural South Wales and often on holidays and some weekends they still have fox hunts. The sound made by the fox hounds is just like your mystery sound!🦊

[@RoulicisThe]

When a proper hunter is asked to leave a private property by the owner, THEY DO. These pathetic excuses of human beings aren't hunters, poachers at best and should be punished for their behavior accordingly

[@ramblinggoats408]

I once waited three hours to locate and contact the neighbor of a property I was hunting on (with permission) in order to get their permission to trail a wounded deer I had shot. Its just good etiquette. You wouldn't just wander into your suburban neighbors yard same applies to rural.

[@jessicamcwilliams3346]

A proper hunter doesn't trespass. They ask permission if the animal they shot goes on to someone else's property.

[@davekelder6959]

I agree 100% . It should also not be that a person takes out a dog and is not able to call it back especialy for hunting dogs(just like other work dogs) you should be always in control

[@spottedsparrowgardens9999]

True

[@ladymargaret6186]

Yup... True

[@beseburany9110]

I love how they yelled "We can't control the dogs!" without realising how pathetic they sound lmao

[@LadyVineXIII]

Not just pathetic, it's dangerous.

[@alexia3552]

Plus like, how did the dogs end up with GPS collars on released into those woods? The hunters controlled the dogs into that situation

[@sahawk0709]

You should never be hunting with dogs unless you can control them

[@RobiBue]

Easy solution: I got a gun, let me “control” your dogs.

[@pomegranatejuice5139]

@@RobiBue nah man, it's not the dogs' fault. those morons shouldn't have let their dogs go on hunts if they don't have damn near perfect recall.

[@slm8025]

In SC out in the county and I YEARLY check the signs, I post two ate each corner of the property facing all directions and no excuses for trespassing as State law requires. Best keep on that young man- it is your first and strongest foothold to having the rest of your right defended in court,..., South Carolina,..., a "STAND YOUR GROUND" state.

[@nuzuk]

Around here not only do hunters come ask for permission, they’ll offer to help out with odd things, and more importantly they call DNR when they find Untagged stands on our property.

[@sarahdy496]

"I have permission to be on your farm" sends me into orbit. Once the pochers told me my HUSBAND had given them permission. I saw red. Literally. My husband and I were equal partners financially, on the deeds and titles and all that. But his JOB was as a railroad conductor, and he was very rarely at home not sleeping. MY job was farming. I bought the livestock, I built the pens and fences, I repaired the fences, I fed everyone etc etc. I knew he'd never told ANY one 'sure come on in' and having someone smoking on MY land and telling me Husband said fine.. I never carried a gun when I confronted poachers, bc I figured I do something stupider than I was doing without a gun.

[@manwichsandwich]

If you’re gonna confront anyone, it’s best to be armed. If you aren’t armed. You sure are leaving yourself without many options. They decide your fate. If it’s a shallow grave, I’m sure you’d have people who would miss you.

[@sarahdy496]

@@manwichsandwich I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Somewhere in those poachers tiny black hearts they have some kind of code of behavior that won't allow them to shoot an unarmed woman on her own property. Also... I am known as a practicing witch. They were always so uncomfortable around me. And finally... I got rid of them once and for all when I leased the hunting rights on my farm to retired LEOs. Several years ago one of my hunters called me to ask if I had allowed someone to build a stand on one corner of my property. His brother had seen movement and realized it was a man without orange climbing a stand. My beau got his camera and began filming when we got up there.. and I called to the poacher. My hunter had words with him about the violations of not wearing orange and trespassing. Poachers raised his rifle and threatened all of us. Beau got it all video'd. Poacher with charged with felony and spent night in jail. He's gone now.

[@manwichsandwich]

@@sarahdy496 you know. One would HOPE that all humans have a certain code of conduct. Just not 100% true. Some do. A couple dont. And the couple are the ones you have to worry about. “It’s not the probability, it’s the risk” while 99/100 don’t amount to much, if the 1 you lose your life, then you know. But anywho. Live your life. Just thought I’d try to warn ya, they can be dangerous.

[@sarahdy496]

@@manwichsandwich There is also the part where I just don't care any more. I've been widowed twice of very fine men. My children have grown and flown the nest and have their own kids, their own careers and their own very find men. They do not come back here to visit-- it's too backwards for them. I spent my life building an extremely suited landrace herd of goats and sold them all. If a fool shoots me... I won't be around to worry about it. But I know my friends in law enforcement will make life suck for them.

[@flixelgato1288]

@@manwichsandwich it’s more that you can expect hunters and poachers to not kill somebody over confronting them about the land they’re hunting on. Would be extremely pointless for them to do, so any person still capable of a bit of rational thought wouldn’t seriously harm you. That said, it may even be better not to bring a gun that could lead to unnecessary escalation.

[@NoPantsBaby]

Imagine letting a dog loose, sitting on your ass waiting for a stable ping on a gps and then shooting whatever it chased up a tree and call that a hunt.

[@herr.turtur]

Is this the real world equivalent to an aim bot?

[@TD_YT066]

What's next? Autonomous drones with nightvision cameras? I always considered hunting to be primarily locating your prey, and tracking it. Not just killing something.

[@HamelinSong]

If there are livestock guardian dogs around, and they are not caged like Toby is (very common here in Europe) I would most of all fear for your dog! Pyrenees, Maremmani etc. are extremely territorial, and if they have animals to guard, they won't hesitate attacking them.

[@aureliusva]

Old school coon hunting is fun and a huge adrenaline rush, as long as you have permission from the neighbors.

[@rp-wn5or]

@@HamelinSong also no hunting hound/dog is a match for any life stock guardian dog, temperament and size wise.

[@huntercool2232]

“We can’t control the dogs!” *So basically the dogs are the ones in charge of this hunt.*

[@the_race1987]

This shed a lot of light. Thank you.

[@NovaTMOD]

Saying they got permission from your neighbor to hunt on YOUR land... Yeah. That's a big no

[@Thehomelessathlete]

I'll call the cops right away and say my family is hreatened then walk out no shirt and KO the first guy or snap the first dog's neck that attacks me. Hell nah bruh. F Em bruh this bs how do you know who tf they are? How? Lmao bruhhhh how would you knowwee

[@arthas640]

I've had idiots claim similar things to me, a few times lying and say the owner gave them permission to use a large communal yard shared between my rental and my landlord to play with their dogs or use like a public park (he never would and never has given that permission), a couple times claiming a neighbor gave permission to use my yard, or even claiming the obviously private yard surrounded by no trespassing and beware of dog signs is a public park.

[@NovaTMOD]

@@arthas640 I'm sorry that happened to you man. Here's hoping it does not happen again.

[@karensmith4336]

One of the first things to teach a dog is a solid recall. Especially hunting dogs. If your dog gets caught up in a pack of wild pigs, you need a recall or a doggy funeral.

[@Kimichitsuzuku]

It would also be likely for them to get hit by a car, piss off a bear or tree some poor barncat.

[@katw5592]

Exactly my though! My dad is in a shooting club that is also frequented by hunters and they talked about the importance of the dog listening to their owners. Hunting demonstrations I visited stressed the training aspect of the dog. I very much doubt that dog had more training than "chase and bark".

[@audreyandlinCompany]

Yep. Dog could get shot by a land owner if you can't recall them immediately.

[@melissa7233]

I 100% agree. You can train a reliable recall with ANY dog. Some take more time and patience than others. A GOOD owner either drills this into EVERY dog they let off leash. Otherwise for it's own safety, you keep it leashed.

[@ertrick3693]

Yeah, the fact those sorry excuses of hunters "couldn't control" their dogs was mind-boggling stupid to me. A recall command is the most basic of basic commands to teach a dog (and obviously one of the most important ones) and it's unbelievable to me that a dog owner *wouldn't* be capable of calling their dog back to them or, in the event the dog literally refused to learn for whatever reason, that the dog would be a hunting dog in the first place.

[@Nothing-zw3yd]

My dad had problems with uninvited hunters and people on atv's coming across the family farm. He put up a barbed wire fence and posted signs across the trail they used to get in (heavily wooded but for that area), but they kept cutting it open. That is, until he used a come-along and pulled the wire as tight as it would go. A week or so later when he checked, the top wire was cut, the wire cutters were on the ground, and that was the end of that.

[@snoww9347]

Just watched one video from my youtube recommendation and I have FALLEN IN LOVE 😄. It's so refreshing to see this type of content nowadays 😌

[@Maistro69]

I had a friend once who had this happen to him. When the “hunters” said they could control the dogs and it wasn’t their responsibility what the dogs did, he said “ok. Well then, Just so you know, I will shoot any dog that approaches.” According to him, magically they could recall the dogs by verbal commands and left. Granted this a story told around a camp fire so to speak, but I’ve never known this guy to over exaggerate a story so I give him the the benefit of trust there.

[@alexia3552]

That sounds like a 10/10 solution, if they genuinely can't recall the dogs then they're warned and you can take measures to get them to the pound, or they'll actually find a way to get the dogs back into their truck

[@Zeemis]

That sounds like a good solution, until it escalates and the owners of those now dead dogs comes knocking on your door, and blow you away. Yeah, people are crazy. You have to anticipate that kind of shit lol.

[@RoraighPrice]

@@Zeemis by this point youv aleady called the cops. they are wanted criminals

[@nicholleworsley7471]

My dad, who’s formally a sniper in the Australian army, told me a similar story when he was at one of his mates house. Poachers came on his mates land, sis the whole bs we’ve hunted here for years, can’t control the dogs ect and that’s when they both took our their own guns and shot the trees next to them and said if they don’t get off their land, they were the ones going on the wall… wouldn’t you believe it? They could recall the dogs and never saw them again.

[@TakenByStormEquestrian]

@@Zeemis I’m not defending poachers, but anyone would be upset to have their dog killed. Personally if anybody even harmed my sheppy, I’d go to jail. I already know I would torture then kill them

[@mannymelo949]

“Ages and BMI’s well over 40” Brutal

[@mlee40738]

🤣🤣🤣

[@coreyscacichlids7963]

FRIENDLY FIRE FRIENDLY FIRE

[@rphxleonine]

I wonder what Morgan's own BMI is.

[@PSYCHOSAXE]

i heard him say tht and had to immediately come to the comments.. i think morgan is a bit delusional about where he stands on tht to be making quips at others lol (i got no issue w/ ppl of any weight.. but the phrase dont throw stones in a glass house comes to mind)

[@wildwanderingwoman1626]

Honestly the best comment

[@rcar9115]

It would be so nice to find a state in America where people actually respect each other enough to be good neighbors. I wonder if such a state still exists today.

[@Former11b]

I’ve dealt with this also as a hunting lease holder. I bought my lease to stationary hunt rifle and bow and had put a considerable amount of time and money into improving deer plots. A neighboring property wasn’t maintained so people started running dogs on it for deer drives. The first day of that season I’m at my car loading up to head to the stand and I’m greeted by a GPS’d dog! I knew I wouldn’t be seeing any deer that day and ended up confronting the people on my land when they were looking for their dogs. Needless to say I don’t lease there anymore

[@davidchristensen6908]

It’s your property, protect your property especially when you hear “ I’ve been hunting long before you moved it. That guy is trying to pee on all the corners of your property and mark it as his. Protect your property.

[@susanpendell4215]

Sounds like a thief to me.

[@Chicken-Cha-Chas]

Piss on them to assert dominance

[@KibaNicole]

@@Chicken-Cha-Chas lmfao

[@mr.behaving]

@@susanpendell4215 sounds like a poacher. I own land, and have had very tense and armed confrontations with people who "have been on this property since before you were born", and considering i'm 6th generation, they admitted to trespassing for over 50 years. where I am, no trespassing means no trepassing, and consent is written and carried with the hunter

[@pecahperiuk]

I wouldnt have been.. so diplomatic

[@CvBrony]

"A person must leave the land immediately on demand of the owner, whether the land is posted or not."

[@bfbffersen3567]

What part about a dog running out of control dont you understand? So if it was your dog, you would have left it there if you were asked to leave, and just said oh well we can buy another one? You mean fucking evil freak. A dog runs loose you just want it killed immediatly, cause the owner said go away? Wow you must be an amazing person to hang out with irl...

[@KaySan666]

@@bfbffersen3567 if they can't control their dogs they shouldn't a) have dogs and b) use them for the hunt. Easy, right?

[@bfbffersen3567]

@@KaySan666 No. You are wrong.

[@lordhuck2689]

@@KaySan666 That's not relevant to the immediate situation. The dog is already loose. It would have been worse for the dog owners to leave the dog running loose on farm with free range poultry than to attempt to retrieve the dog. Once the dog is already loose it's responsible to retrieve the dog and bring it under control.

[@Magesteff]

@@bfbffersen3567 What part of a hunter must control his dog, and a farmer's right to defend his animals from uncontrolled dogs do you not understand?

[@barbt1130]

I definitely agree with you on all of the above 🤯 I hope you have no further issues.

[@MintyFreshCupcakes]

Using a GPS and “treeing” animals seems like the laziest hunting ever. Although I don’t really like any form of recreational hunting, something about cornering an animal to shoot them just seems so cruel.

[@Palitato]

If you're on good terms with the neighbor, I'd suggest going over there and asking them if they ACTUALLY gave their permission for these hunters to be on their property. They could very well just be lying out their butts about it. And if neighbor IS on good terms with you, and DID give permission, they can be sure to inform said hunters of the property line and remind them to keep on their own land!

[@beepbop9378]

Doesn’t matter after watching the whole video in Vermont you don’t need permission unless you posted the perimeter which I guarantee people stop doing it after they get old, or lazy after doing it for 15+ years. It is what it is I bet they could even tear down the posted sign of where they entered (unless it is surveilled 24/7) and act like they didn’t know and nothing would happen. Seems like outdated laws for the way dog hunting is moving for some people.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

@@beepbop9378 that is so stupid. Posted or not, private property is private property. Besides, who the fuck goes hunting an out of season animal, in the dead of night?

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

@Rusty Howe the question was rhetorical, I already knew the answer. I posed the question as a way of making the other person come to the same conclusion

[@shawndean231]

@@AJSSPACEPLACE I'm not defending the guys on the video, they definitely went about it the wrong way...but you might want to do a little research on what raccoon hunting actually is. Its done at night. Where there is a harvest season, but there isn't a restriction on when you can be out there training dogs...happens year round.

[@ExecutiveChefLance]

@@AJSSPACEPLACE I grew up in Vermont. I have gone hunting many times. I have gone on Private Property a few times and every time we ask Permission. OR have all ready asked Permission long ago. That being said I am not one of the People who rely on Hunted Meat to survive. Which is 30% of Vermont's population. During Colonial Times British Landowners in New York and Vermont were the largest land owners in the Empire and why Vermont has these laws. Perhaps they even had the Ancient only Nobility can hunt laws which William the Conqueror brought from Normandy to Britain. Vermont is also quite French and in New England. So Radical Republicanism was quite popular and that means Anti-Aristocrat who specifically in France and Britain had those hunting laws. Now my personal reaction. I would probably go test out the loudest gun I owned. I would start making sure all my guns were in working order all over my property. And of course if you want any legal recompense in Vermont put up signage.

[@SamGrey]

Those trespassers are lucky, most landowners would grab a firearm and not a camera 😅

[@nicolaslane7451]

Might have been better off to do so (kidding sorta)

[@ezforsaken]

@@nicolaslane7451 I mean, a warning shot from Morgan would probably be a much better idea that go with a camera near the attackers.

[@davekelder6959]

I am not a gun nut or anything but i agree morgan should get a gun and should have let of a warning shot not just for his own safety but also for his farm..some of these pocher yokels wont respect you other wise and will take you as easy pickings its clear they dont respect other ppls property

[@mr.beatnskeet6876]

@@davekelder6959 No love for trespassers, particularly unrepentant ones, but don't fire a warning shot for someone not within your immediate dwelling, and if that's the case, probably don't make that shot a warning. Introducing live rounds brings on an entirely new and frightening dynamic. I do feel for the guy, but in this case, help find their dog so it doesn't get to the animals. Lecture and threaten them after if he feels so compelled. Escalations very rarely go well IRL, especially when you're talking other people with guns.

[@travismcfalls8811]

@@ezforsaken I detest trespassers as much as the next guy but this is the worst advice one can give anyone. It is a very good way to end up in jail on felony charges in most states.

[@johannahs1967]

I am for the GPS trackers, as a owner of bird dogs when they are out it is a great way to be able to control your dog. On that note, I do know hound dogs can go miles away from their owner so without the GPS it is hard to get your dogs back and you can lose them. The only thing that I feel is absolutely foolish there is that they're allowed to go on private property and that the owner has to post around their property that there's no hunting. It should be the opposite, you're not allowed to hunt on private property unless you have owner permission.

[@kacheek9101]

In my state, it's legal to shoot a dog like that. idk about Vermont but I think laws like that lead to proper dog control. No respectable hunter is not in control of their own hunting dogs. Hunting dogs are supposed to be trained to the point of immediate recall, regardless of the situation

[@ericdoe2318]

You have to keep a go bag at all times with cellphone, boots, pants, flashlight, rifle, and fully charged camera!

[@MissTiff84]

Also throw in some water and a ziploc of Magic Spoon cereal 👌 just in case!

[@EmunahFL]

This.

[@dominiquehebert4903]

@@MissTiff84 Ok now I am envisioning him chatting with the troopers and offering them some cereal lol. A go bag is a good idea though :)

[@thomascarroll9556]

Yeah and take the marketing opportunities of selling hatching eggs to the state troopers.

[@lorrainehinchliffe5371]

What’s a go bag?

[@gem9535]

As someone who had to solo train their traumatized dog, hearing them taking their reactive dogs off-leash, when they had zero recall, makes me want to commit CRIMES

[@tennesseedogpack]

Sure thing slugger

[@tommibear4013]

@@tennesseedogpack ???

[@misterkaos.357]

Shooting trespassers on your property ain't a crime, son.

[@paulbarry7760]

@@misterkaos.357 facts. Lol Ill help u out on dog issue.

[@christinebutler2730]

Thank you for sharing this story a peak into country life reminds me I love city life

[@jakekrol3016]

Being sent to the ER for a dog bite, having been severely injured in a shop accident getting sprayed with sulphuric acid, and almost getting jumped by a criminal when I was out for a walk with my wife. I would not hesitate to kill an animal that threatens the safety of me, my family, or my dogs and chickens. I don’t have the strength or health that I used too and my best mode of defense is a gun. My father-in-law was cornered by a big dog recently too. People don’t care anymore. The sad thing is they are not just putting people at risk but the safety of their own animals too.

[@madampolo]

The funniest thing is to imagine Morgan running around in his underwear and boots with a flashlight yelling at people!

[@GoldShawFarm]

100 % agreed!

[@oldfrend]

@@GoldShawFarm dude you are a better man than me. i wouldn't have gone outside without my gun in hand, boots and underwear or no.

[@drakke125Channel]

honestly was hoping he'd be running out with a shotgun. Don't let me catch you on my property or I'll make you hippity hoppity into the ER.

[@Grandpacarlreacts]

@@GoldShawFarm Morgan, I wish I had a camera to record that. too funny! ! Only because I know I have done the same thing.

[@TheRidiculousRescue]

@@oldfrend same 😂 I’ve had a few times where I ran outside with a shirt in my hand because that’s all I had time to throw on 😂

[@izices]

A good hunter knows how to recall their hounds. These people clearly don't have a handle on them. Not to mention they're doing it illegally (on your property and out of racoon season). Fight tooth an nail Morgan, press charges. Because if you don't I'm sure they'll try and weasel their way in again and again... Not to mention, what if those dogs see Ginny, Pablo, or Molly?

[@duceagle6625]

This. "We can't control the dogs" Then why are you riling them up and setting them loose on people's private property????? That's an accident waiting to happen. To the dog or someone else and/or their animals.

[@Cloverkitty]

Honestly? Invest in a rifle. At that point, sad as it is, the poacher's dog(s) are considered hazardous to your animals and livelyhood, trespassing on your property, and you have every right to end that threat as much as you would a rabid coyote tearing through a coop. Harsh reality, but if it came to my animals or some idiot's untrained dog, the dog is gonna be euthanized. That is to say if this is a continuous issue.

[@mikeske9777]

The county I live in has right to farm and if a animal (dogs included) was bothering farm animals it would be put down on site. Been there and done that after a dog got into my horse pasture and was chasing and bothering the horses. One well place projectile took the dog out and then a call to sheriff to report the incident.

[@kwafumaku6726]

@@duceagle6625 not to mention he has a cat that those dogs WILL attack, and if they do he can put them down.

[@crusaderb.1901]

Good call on the hunting out of season. I just looked it up for raccoon is apologize

[@juliebarsky6761]

Omg, you are telling my story!! Be it I am in NC not Vermont. It took me years to stop the local coon hunting club hunting our property. Waking us at night. Telling us we have been hunting here before my daddy's daddy. Yes signs "fall down" Have guys flying through your property 4x4s, guns and barking dogs. Holy crap!

[@igitahimsa5871]

I knew a fellow who rode into a throat-high tripwire while trespassing years ago.

[@dkue706]

This is outrageous. That strangers can come on you property without your permission. What is wrong with Vermont.

[@NDwhITeBoYZ]

“I studied law” she could study the back of her hand and still not know it’s hers

[@lunatic4613]

One thing is to have been reading the law. But is she able to use it? Definitely not. She was just shouting to make an impression.

[@dbmail545]

She probably "knows" the law as well as most millennials "know" history.

[@Guitar4516]

She: Uhhh what I read on Google. They say that I can trespass on your land.

[@gem9535]

@@dbmail545 Millennials are in their 30s and (officially as of this year) 40s and having their own kids, becoming teachers and whatnot. The youngest are around 25 and are graduating college, including a history courses, and getting well-paid jobs. I think you're referring to my generation: Gen Z, because I would trust a millennial's knowledge in history more than my own gen.

[@justinorellana4781]

Studied law my ass.. go back to sleep girl. You have school tmw.

[@alyssaoconnor]

Where I live if a dog is on a property harassing stock then the stock owner has the right to shoot/dispatch the dog. Also, the law states that if the dog owner does not have control of the dog and it leads to the death and injury of stock or loss of revenue then the dog owner is liable. It sounds harsh but leads to responsible dog ownership and hunting.

[@Ptitnain2]

It's not harsh, imagine if those cattle get scared run off and someone hit them on the road and they die or their family in their car...

[@kathyjarvis1745]

Sounds logical and fair

[@alexia3552]

Makes total sense, I hope Vermont has laws like that

[@Damo2690]

UK has laws like that

[@timg2088]

We've had similar laws in Louisiana. A coon dog, deer dog, etc... come on your property that is posted 'no trespassing' or 'no hunting' then you can legally shoot the dogs to protect your family or your livestock. This is not just a law, but it's common sense to keep your dogs off of private property.

[@I_like_Plants130]

My moms uncle had this happen he never got any videos so there was nothing the police could do. His neighbors would come on to his property and look/hunt for deer (don’t think they ever got anything) Till this day one of there hunting perches is on a tree.

[@buildersandexplorers3119]

as a person from texas watching this video, I agree with you that there have got to be some changes in Vermont!

[@karlsening7726]

Did you confront your neighbor as well, or did the police, to see if they really gave permission? At least it would notify the neighbor about what happened and perhaps prevent a future incident

[@fred6059]

Yes talk to your neighbors. You need to press charges. This will not be tolerated. It could get dangerous. Toby takes his job very seriously.

[@phangirlable]

Maybe not confront, just ask him?

[@klingoncowboy4]

Yes now that things have cooled down having a talk would be warranted.

[@oldfrend]

@Freddie Nerkury uh... for the 1 or 2 of us not from peacham... what does that ordinance say?

[@knoahbody69]

@Freddie Nerkury That's great! Do you have local police that enforce this? Will the State Troopers enforce this?

[@GlendaMoore]

There was definitely something 'special' about Toby's bark. My cat was lying on his bed, snoozing, but he snapped to attention when Toby started barking and looked over at my computer. Toby must have been saying something about "outside" because the cat immediately turned and looked out the window. He calmed down when you started talking again.

[@kennyholmes5196]

As best I can parse the barking, based on the context of how there was another dog busy hunting in the area and how Toby was trying to protect his Bird-family, it was probably something along the lines of warning barks that translate roughly to "Danger(ground-based threat) outside(metal barrier)(close proximity), leave now or trouble happens!". If your cat's been around dogs long enough, and you live somewhere in New England, then your cat's probably picked up on the same "dialect" of Wolf-speech that Toby uses, and was able to get the approximate idea. Humans aren't the only animals that talk to each other, after all.

[@louzo5175]

this reminds me we cant call pets stupid if we dont teach them any languaches

[@notadumbblond3]

Lol! Funny but also, yeah.

[@thatonedog819]

My dog did the same thing

[@jupekai4601]

@@louzo5175 animals do have their own languages, they just aren't verbal like human speech. After all, humans have non verbal forms of communication.

[@weaselodooms]

I have 3 three dogs, and 2 of them are bird dogs. The idea of not having control of your dogs when hunting is insane.

[@jacquiebee4715]

We are farmers in Australia and used to let duck hunters onto our beef/dairy farm that had some wetland areas. That all stopped when we would continuously find shot swans, native water birds, even cockatoos hanging from trees or dead in the paddock. They also left a gate open and 100 plus cattle got out.

[@raedaily9854]

There's a difference between "I can't control the dogs" as in whose property they run on to and "I can't get my dog to come when I call". Those were lazy ass dog owners using excuses to try and do whatever they wanted!

[@amicableenmity9820]

The teenagers sounds like a brat, tbh.

[@susangoodgine771]

You could have killed a dog running loose on your property. Very bad owners.

[@easternflower6476]

Exactly! As someone who’s been treeing animals for years w/my good bois/girls, that’s a huge red flag if u can’t control your dogs. Puts every animal involved in grave danger and also could ruin your hunt, as dogs with 0 training could catch and shred your kill before you even get a chance to shoot it, then it’s ruined for any use. Hope these people educate themselves.

[@Socks756]

There is no reason you should have an untrained dog running about outside of your control. If the dog knows how to recall and heel, that's one thing. But, if it won't recall on command, the owner is responsible for the actions of their dog.

[@cindydickersonunderthefull657]

In Michigan if someone is trespassing on your land and they get hurt, the land owner is help responsible for medical bills. Needless to say insurance is high.

[@DirtyLesion]

The mystery noise is actually a whole pack of dogs probably 20+ all barking at once

[@fireflyer97]

That group of hunters sound absolutely irresponsible. Talking the way they did to you and just letting their dogs go anywhere unsupervised is incredibly abhorrent.

[@bay9876]

"Hey our neighbour has a duck farm. Let let our hunting dogs loose on his property to see if we get some free carrion and we'll say were just out hunting Raccoon"

[@lauramarschmallow2922]

This "setting your hound loose with a gps tracker until it has chased something upon a tree" sounds like the laziest way to hunt. I think hunting and honoring the kill by eating the animal is a good and natural thing (other animals hunt and eat other animals too, even herbivores sometimes) but to ... Basically not put ANY work in it degrades the "honour" of hunting.

[@phangirlable]

Not just lazy and lacks honor, it's also unnecessarily cruel because the prey animals are being terrorized.

[@denisebennett3144]

Totally agree!

[@tj6930]

Agreed!

[@L_Martin]

...then to just shoot the animal while it's trapped in the tree. Humans suck.

[@WonderfulAkari]

Yeah people shouldn't hunt unless they are gfoing to eat it, removing an invasive species, or helping with a population problem.

[@FakeItMakeItVR]

The mystery noise to me sounds like a hound that has an animal trapped waiting for its owners

[@caroldavis5877]

Why is it so hard to protect your own property? The Town Hall should extend the no trespassing signs to at least five years.

[@There_is_a_duck_in_my_home]

Definitely press charges, it’s absolutely illegal and dangerous for your farm

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

Not only your farm, who's to say they're good shots?! Our nice farmer sleeps right there! No way I'd trust a a stranger with a weapon that can't control their dog(s) to be that close to my sleeping family. This is just crazy inappropriate. The fact that girl wasn't apologizing and instead of yelling is so telling. A decent hunter would have apologized and never come back. Mistakes happen but holy craaaaappp.

[@thatonenoname196]

They should know it is illegal to hunt with people nearby. And its explanatory why a law like that exists. Regardless if they were getting their dog back, shooting with people nearby is a crime.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@thatonenoname196 Based on their behavior, those entitled 'good ol' boys' weren't real hunters- just morons with the gumption to try. They were too stupid to even do a modicum of research into 'how to not break the f*cking law' before going out and... well, you've seen the video. They're criminals. They should've known that what they were doing was illegal, but they didn't care to even check. Greed, stupidity, and ego were all they cared about.

[@Thehomelessathlete]

I'll call the cops right away and say my family is hreatened then walk out no shirt and KO the first guy or snap the first dog's neck that attacks me. Hell nah bruh. F Em bruh this bs how do you know who tf they are? How? Lmao bruhhhh how would you knowwee

[@danielweston9188]

Years ago 3 hounds showed up on my farm. One had a radio tracker. Nailed it to a log and sent it down the irrigation ditch. Took the dogs to the pound the next morning and when I returned they were at my gate looking for the dogs. The pound costs were just under $900 - no tag, rabies shots etc. They sent me a demand letter - we never replied.

[@SparkPrincess]

LMAO. They don't take care of their dogs. $900 is the least of it...

[@dirtroadsandwoodstoves]

Perfect

[@witespy]

Dog has a better life now I bet

[@Zoogore6777]

Seriously? What sense does it make for them not to keep their dogs vaccinated when they’re literally using them to hunt potentially rabid animals?

[@AlterExo_]

@@witespy Or they got put down. :(

[@ravagesoyjoy]

That one duck that came out and then went back in only went back in to grab his battle buddy can't go to war without your battle buddy...

[@elizabethhestevold1340]

That sounds like an insane old laws which seems they need to be changed!! These jerks , sounds like Sport killers....Come now , Senator off Vermont, you got some post work to do protecting your Farmers, and Stock!!Is Insane.🙏⏳🇺🇸🇩🇰🌅🤔

[@thecursor1]

Toby Dog: "Mr. Farmer, sir, get these strange dogs away from my god damned ducks please?"

[@bettybay2181]

Toby wouldn't call his ducks that, the hunters maybe.

[@spacedude5208]

tobys ducks are his family that he guards with his life

[@remymanfre-valdes3810]

Yea pretty much.

[@gizzems-2903]

*God blessed ducks

[@advaitk876]

"God blessed Quacken"

[@f3jay776]

"I studied law" LMAO, thats funny. Sounds like those troopers and toby did a good job :)

[@piplupcola]

Someone who actually studied law would never say something like that lmao

[@jolandafrijlink6103]

I would ask her where her diploma was and where she graduated.

[@HealthyDisrespectforAuthority]

@@jolandafrijlink6103 I probably would have gone with.. Hey little girl. .no one asked you .. and isn't it past your bed time.?

[@angelamarie4137]

I laughed at that too. When somebody is in the wrong, they often say that. I've heard it so many times in my profession. 😂😂😂

[@Grandpacarlreacts]

Actually she was correct. so?

[@phyllismay4384]

Is it possible to fence posted property? No mistaking trespassing then if someone climbs over the fence. Just wondering.

[@AliciaLueras-cx6fc]

I know it's alot of property but are yal allowed to fence it in at certain points? Like where they would more likely to cross into your land?

[@Talis1717]

“We can’t control the dogs” but they’re your dogs 🤔

[@cypheri1339]

If their dogs aren't trained to recall on command, they shouldn't be using them off leash for any reason.

[@respectthefish4992]

right? they are hounds, if you can't control it it means it is not supposed to be on a hunt

[@mr.behaving]

the mentality baffles me. putting a GPS on a dog and allowing them free range seems patently irresponsible to me. My farm dog will walk the perimeter of my property and not cross the fence, even if enticed by my elderly and truly awesome neighbor who showers her in treats and freezer venison. When we hunt with her, she won't leave my side, lays down when I shoulder my firearm (to stay out of the way), and doesn't even break until told. If I say any command its immediately respected, I really don't see how a hunting dog could be trusted any other way. If my dog killed even a squirrel out of season, while she has her hunting license on her vest, my behind is poacher toast, but there they just run them rampant and hope for the best, I'm stunned

[@respectthefish4992]

@@mr.behaving that is some great trained pupper right there, much respecc

[@mr.behaving]

@@respectthefish4992 thanks! She's been my faithful companion from the day we rescued her, going on 9 years. her attitude and aptitude to take the many, many, many years of training is all her though hah. now if I could only get her to stop stealing my work socks and hiding them in random places

[@jamescanjuggle]

absolutely not ok. if your on wrong land you leave, you dont argue, you dont play it up. Id be pressing charges and scaring them off

[@lilolmecj]

Needs to keep peace, he is the new guy in town, if possible. It is very, very good that he put up the excellent fencing last year. When I was a child we were kind of the new family, though not really. My great grandfather homesteaded the land, but it had set vacant for about 5 years after my grandfather died and his mother took school age kids into town to finish growing up. Anyway the locals liked to pretend our land was their land during those intervening years, and treated us like outsiders when my parents got enough together to buy the farm from the estate. It was difficult to get them to go hunt elsewhere.

[@thewriterforge]

@@lilolmecj this makes me just hate local rural people then. There is no excuse to treat anyone like that.

[@nunya3163]

if your dog chases an animal onto someone else's land, and they ask you to leave, you say certainly, and immediately stop the hunt. Then you politely ask to go retrieve your animal, so that you may go home.

[@leacarstensen1679]

Completely agree with you in every way.

[@bubsies2311]

I grew up around hunting, took hunters ed. etc. I find it appalling how they are using the animals. I grew up with hunting dogs, they are SUPPOSED to be highly trained and listen on command. The laws there seem to be really weird because wandering around someone's property at night with a gun seems pretty dangerous and a good way to get shot.

[@98integraGSR]

There's actually case law in Vermont that makes it very clear that the requirement to update yearly and update the clerk is "overly burdensome and onerous"; the state's appellate court found and has held several times that simply posting the property is enough, and the yearly dating and registering is superfluous. Also, funny quirk of Vermont case law- Game wardens can't trespass on your property without an invitation or a warrant if it's posted.

[@mr.behaving]

in my local area (Ontario Canada), if I post signs that say "no hunting", that sign also applies to me, the landowner. on the bright side, trespass with firearm is a serious, serious offence

[@tamaragonzalez2227]

You want to post that laws number and give it to prove your statement as it might help in the future.

[@98integraGSR]

@@tamaragonzalez2227 2018 vt 86 no. 2017-344, Vermont V. Dupuis That's a good place to start. It also references several other cases of note regarding the topic.

[@Blackswampoutoorstv]

@@mr.behaving I still think that’s messed up. When I went to New Brunswick I asked about that.

[@susanculp3745]

Is that true? I was told that we had to update the dates on the signs every year, and that it was only good for the calendar year of the date... we have a large parcel, and it is a LOT of work to update it every year. Plus replacing all the signs that mysteriously "disappear" every year. It needs to be made a lot easier for landowners to be able to control the kind of activity that happens on one's own private property in Vermont.

[@sherrybrissette1614]

WTF. I come from a long line of Vermont hunters. NONE of them would ever do that. Poaching is not ok!

[@sherrybrissette1614]

I just looked it up. It is NOT currently racoon season. As far as I could tell, its only crow season at the moment. And no one is hunting for crows at midnight.

[@raraavis7782]

@@sherrybrissette1614 I'm so pissed at the situation, but I still couldn't help chuckling, imagining someone trying to shoot a crow in the dark. This should be a saying: 'That's like hunting crows at midnight!'

[@xcrockery8080]

Good story, thanks I enjoyed that.

[@johnolive3377]

Your Golden Shower Farm video is very informative.

[@InspiredJJ]

Our plastic paper signs “fall” a lot also. SMH.

[@williamcozart8158]

Lol yeah.

[@thatonedog819]

I've heard of barbed wire that was just fixed "breaking" a lot

[@wijoey710]

Must not know how to put a sign on plywood and screw to a tree

[@corinthian123]

@@wijoey710 or the signs are ripped off the trees by entitled punks.

[@thewalls239]

@@wijoey710 That's alot more work and ALOT of plywood for 160acres every 400feet he said it already takes a full day and its ppl ripped them off there not falling. Locked doors only work for trustworthy ppl lol

[@ladylilithparker]

Raccoon season doesn't open until October 9th, so the Warden can ding them for hunting out of season at the very least.

[@BlackSeranna]

Let me ask you this - I was told by a guy who said he practices with the dogs during off season (meaning the raccoon isn’t harvested). Is that allowed?

[@silverfield949]

The fact they where doing it so late at night makes me more suspicious of them.

[@benny_lemon5123]

@@BlackSeranna I would have to assume that it wouldnt be allowed if it were on someone else's property. I could be wrong, but I think that if you can't legally hunt an animal due to the season, then you probably arent allowed to enter property, posted or otherwise, to pursue that out-of-season animal.

[@benny_lemon5123]

Also, in many places the harassment of wildlife is illegal, so if the animal isnt in season I think that other charge/fine could be applicable

[@ladylilithparker]

@@silverfield949 Indeed. Staking out bedding/feeding grounds pre-dawn is one thing, but running dogs at 11pm? Who does that?

[@JK-te2mm]

"HOW THE FOOK DOES THINGS LIKE THIS EVEN HAPPEN??" LOL ... SOOO GOOD.

[@brandonparker3278]

I'm a hunter, been hunting most my life . Trust a true hunter knows where he can and can't hunt and will make sure he is following laws because people that don't know anything about hunting or just hate hunting and the people who do it try every year to get hunting outlawed. Those people on your land was not hunters those was the type of people that make it hard for those of us that do right and flow the law and do there part for conservation.

[@KittyKat10102]

I'd also be very worried that the dogs would go after barn cats, as a cat way up a tree in the dark woods at night could even be mistaken for a raccoon if the hunter isn't paying close enough attention. Then you have the chaos and a mauled/shot pet.

[@ninabarnes-thomas6128]

especially if this "hunt" was alcohol fueled.

[@sshep86]

Was out lamping to get a nuisance fox that was eating livestock. Saw it around 100 metres in pitch dark with its eyes reflecting back at me. Raised the rifle, went to shoot and it malfunctioned. Anyway, I noticed the fox didn't look right, the way it moved was off. Got closer and it was a damn cat. Phewwww. There might be some truth to that 9 lives stuff.

[@senorphipps4984]

Even though Im a long time hunter who uses a dog, I still hate that hound hunters just let their dogs roam all over everywhere with no regard to anyone else.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

As a non-hunter, it seems very negligable to do so, since letting the dogs just roam around on their own, is programmed to have bystanders get hurt.

[@donnaml8776]

I was under the understanding that it was law everywhere that a person was required by law to have their dogs under their constant control. ? Maybe not?

[@JamesThomas-pj2lx]

down right unsportsmanlike, should be arrested for trespass, fined, and if they come back greeted with lead. At night none the less, uber luck he's such a nice guy.

[@phangirlable]

Yeah, big difference between a normal hunting dog who finds the deer after you shot it and this kind of pack hunting. It's quite barbaric and terrorizes the prey animal before it gets killed.

[@jwenting]

these guys knew full well what they were doing and were probably trying to get some free geese for dinner...

[@shawnp4714]

Well spoken! I’m now a fan

[@topphatt1312]

I’m not even an animal activist really or anything but that video of the bear falling down the tree and the one of the bear surrounded and obviously very scared was so saddening. I think people can do what they want but I, personally could never do that, not only because of the bears but also because just the thought of one of the dogs being hurt makes me cringe.

[@johnnygee7836]

Welcome to the party ....I live in Tennessee and I've put up with this for 40 years. They think if they buy a hunting permit they can go anywhere they want. Call the police and wildlife agent every time. Make hunting on your land too much of a problem for them to bother with.

[@bjt20f2]

I moved to Memphis in 2017 with my East German Shepherd dog and was shocked that someone could come into my fenced and posted backyard and if my dog bit them he'd probably be put down. Oh and locked gate. I'm from Miami and in Florida if my dog is on a leash or in his yard and someone threatens him or me he can take care of it. Had a guy that wasn't quite right banging on my backdoor and had to call the cops. Their response, "Why didn't you shoot him." My response was to ask them why don't they do their damn job but in North Florida they still have signs that say poachers will be shot.

[@mothermoon2382]

This is why it's important on the HUNTERS part, to keep a respectful relationship with land owners. I'm so sorry, you just lived my whole nightmare. Been looking into homesteading in VT or NH, the posting laws are kinda why I'm looking more towards NH.

[@sswwooppee]

Unless they were hunting Coyotes (literally the only species that are legally hunted in VT at this time of year, at that time of night) or training a raccoon hound, they were poachers, not hunters.

[@sherrybrissette1614]

Unless you have a huge property like Morgan, it isn't that hard. You just walk around the woods one afternoon updating everything.

[@Chancey464]

Use to coonhunt, always asked the land owner that if my dogs chased a coon on your property would it be alright to get the dog, leave the coon. Respect to others. No stranger got close to my girl in the woods or tree, if you did not come with her at the start of the hunt.

[@ericwheat9540]

I can’t believe you confronted that many strangers without a gun in your hand.