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[@cytechflow6273]

Hey! I’m Nelson’s editor and I just wanted to let it be known that I did not intentionally pick bad games for this. My method was 100% random! I went to his friends, chose a random player, chose the first rapid game I saw that was within 20-50 moves, and then skipped through to make sure it was at least somewhat interesting. The order was also random and I didn’t move around the games. It just happened to work out this way lol My aim is to make them as fair and random as possible!

[@KY-qy3kn]

Lmao I was wondering if he picked these randomly or he had someone curating them for him.

[@FilleraAccounter]

I would love to submit a game, I had a super wild one that I’d love for Nelson to see lol It is 57 moves though

[@plokenv]

Yeaa totally....-×

[@Erkin_Karaca]

I believe in your honesty

[@mrfreeeze5379]

Guess the ELO: Nelson edition! I'm so pumped 🔥

[@kitty12yt-Twitch]

Same

[@PMA65537]

Maybe they'll all do it .. Ivan Vodka could be next.

[@mickeynotmouse]

putting herculean amounts of effort into avoiding saying "guess the ELO"

[@KurtUwe]

Different types of content.

[@woollymammoth2123]

Dude it doesn't matter gotham doesn't own the idea, plenty of youtubers have done it.

[@danielward7008]

It's not copywrited 😂

[@andrewbennett5911]

I also thought that first game was about my current level around 1250 !!

[@andrewbennett5911]

That 1948 game rating shows how much stronger a 2300 is , or poss a newish account who started as an " advanced " player !!😊

[@rubinkhadka6280]

that 1900 one was wild , what

[@davidjoseph7142]

When Nelson hung his mouth open and froze it was just pure comedy I was laughing so hard

[@kats7930]

Yeah, I guessed 750 hahaha 😂

[@AkihabaraWasteland]

I think what this proves is that players below 2000 are wildly inconsistent, no matter how high or low. Consistency is the hallmark of a good player.

[@paulandrew2518]

It is simply almost impossible to try a judge a person's ELO by 1 game in isolation especially at lower levels. Too many factors involved, lower rated players may not always take it seriously. One day they might then next day they could be just playing chess for fun relaxing with a bottle of wine. One day they could play above their rating then next day below.

[@danielyuan9862]

I think your editor intentionally picked games with crazy inaccurate ratings. Which I don't feel like is fair, because that artifically adds a _huge_ bias in the ratings and only mess up Nelson's sense of judgement in future episodes. If the editor is reading this, just don't look at the ratings when picking games. That way actually guessing the ratings will be more fair and unbiased, and will be more fun.

[@cytechflow6273]

Hey! I’m Nelson’s editor and I just wanted to let it be known that I did not intentionally do what you suggested. My method was 100% random! I went to his friends, chose a random player, chose the first rapid game I saw that was within 20-50 moves, and then skipped through to make sure it was at least somewhat interesting. The order was also random and I didn’t move around the games. It just happened to work out this way lol My aim is to make them as fair and random as possible!

[@Muladeseis]

I think that your friend trolled you a bit hehe, he picked good games by low rating players, and bad games by high rating players.

[@rene5939]

That’s exactly my meaning. The games are not typical for the belonging ELO.

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

You are exactly right bro

[@flotto7045]

Dont worry about the 1900 one, that was straight up trolling.

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

😂😂

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

😂😂

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

You should not judge that 1900 elo player by only one game , you know how hard it is to reach that level

[@david2134]

17:19 if I got opponents who played like this I'd win way more games, I'm an 1100 and that looked like a game between 700's to me

[@Justajawnie]

Yeah I’m stuck at 1000 and wish I had opponents like this lol

[@viktor4840]

I like a lot that you were honest about not beeing accurate in guessing the elo.

[@andrewbennett5911]

Please definitely do more of these !!

[@justdata3650]

In all fairness, if your editor is picking games that are not typical of the rating of the players, maybe they just had a freakish game and played like players in another range that once in a hundred games, then you shouldn't feel bad about being off by so much.

[@andrewbennett5911]

Good thought 😵‍💫

[@andrewbennett5911]

Good thought 😵‍💫

[@andruha1067]

The guys who picked these games trolled you or just wanted to help make "interesting" content. These games are anomalies.

[@andrewbennett5911]

@@andruha1067 must be surly - we've all had these types of games !!

[@justdata3650]

@@andruha1067 I wouldn't go so far as to say trolled. From what he said it was his editor. I would just say that like anything when you do it for the first time everyone is learning. Nelson is learning to judge this way, his editor is learning to pick games and so on. They'll all get better together.

[@StevenSanquist]

hey nelson, now that Gotham stopped doing guess the ELO, there is a huge opening in the chess world for this content. I hope you continue making these videos

[@AdamtheRed-]

You're watching a bunch of players who should have signed up for your breaking 1500 course.

[@williamsquires3070]

In the first game, black trades away the white knight protecting the d4 square, then consistently misses the fork on the knight and bishop.

[@jber22]

Do more of these… I love seeing that 1900s miss the same tactics I miss

[@blueckaym]

It would be interesting to check also with the engine eval of the players' rating for that specific game, because it could be anomaly. For example I'm the measly 1007 ELO, but I have about 66% wins, so I think I have some potential for progress, but I was annoyed by the stupid blunders I made, and I switched back to playing bots and puzzles and watching YT chess videos in the hope I'll train my brain to spot mistakes before I try to get few hundred more ELO. My point is the engine eval on my games has varied from 100 to 1900 (yes apparently I have played worse than Martin :D), and while my ELO fits nicely in the middle, it varies greatly.

[@maheswarbicol5125]

Thank you Nelson, I reached 1500 thanks to your videos. 😁

[@hilarycraig5360]

Same, I reached 1200 cuz of his videos!

[@psircos]

That was fun, Nelson! The 1950 was a big surprise! I'm hardly one to critique anyone else, but 1950 is a pretty decent rating, for the errors you pointed out they made

[@maheswarbicol5125]

How are the second and third game much worse than the first, I legitimately thought they were 700

[@haleymartin9342]

Legitimately didn't know anyone above like 1100 played the Englund gambit.

[@Markaras]

I am preety sure some of them were trolling, guys this is not GothamChess, lol.

[@yoseftreitman7226]

Props to the editor for picking the 1948 player right before the Israeli player.

[@wisdomencouraged9326]

I really like this type of video. I think it would be really fun if you played someone without knowing their rating and then tried to guess as you're playing them

[@yiyuewu1984]

that 1900 hundred one can be explained EASILY. Whites played just like a 1900, and black just had a bad game.

[@Thatoneguy-12]

My guess for game 1: 850 Actual rating: 805 Guess for game 2: 1250 Actual rating: 1948 Guess for game 3: 600 Actual rating: 1084 Guess for game 4: 670 Actual rating: 752

[@themorosov7]

My guesses were closer to Nelson's, but I got the last one spot on. To be honest the first game was impressive for a 800. I am around 1200-1250 myself and that could very well have been one of my games. My guess for game 1: 1250 Actual rating: 805 Guess for game 2: 1150: Actual rating: 1948 Guess for game 3: 650 Actual rating: 1084 Guess for game 4: 750 Actual rating: 752

[@Thatoneguy-12]

@@themorosov7 I didn’t find the first game very impressive at all game 3 is what really threw me off. I’m around 950 rating

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@themorosov7 I thought the first was about my level and I am about 950 on one account and about 1100 on another.

[@김승철-l2k]

2 and 3 are quiet weird I thought 2game could be 1300 up but 1900 is kind of weird

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

@@김승철-l2k becouse that 2 one is wort game of the player and he actually find and shows in video to troll evryone

[@rubinkhadka6280]

if you have moment to pause the video and guess the rating. Now if you have guessed the rating, the rating is: ...

[@gregj3139]

Would watch more of these. You're more likeable than the maker of 'typical ELO query' type videos.

[@841577]

Yes, I want to see more vids like this. Thanks!

[@TimSchmelter]

In one game i play like a GM and in another im just a blunder king. That's especially true in rapid games. So you cannot estimate the rating from a single game. That's why your elo is also the product of all of your games and not just one.

[@Penguin4096-si9fz]

Very nice (maybe Levy Rozman inspired) content! Your editor really chose games that threw you off. Threw me off too. My guesses: 1. 1280 2. 1160 3. 550 4. 460

[@jasonmartin4925]

Love this series... gotta keep it going

[@BasilVT]

9:55 looks like they went Ne8 to protect against Qxc7 while also blocking check

[@faridahmad-kk5ip]

Please do this kind of analysis more

[@Kenjitsuka]

Love it! I watch your (old) rating climb videos every day for at least 30 minutes! Could you do the Dutch Leningrad? I have trouble getting my right side out.

[@rodbenson5879]

Wow you were unlucky with those 3 games. The 3rd one definitely looked like an ELO under 1000.

[@sathishmurali1292]

Nelson don't get disheartened. We need more videos in this series

[@jpmurphy6901]

Keep going with it, I found it enjoyable. Then again, there hasn’t been a video you’ve put out I haven’t enjoyed. Although I’m not sure I ever saw a follow up to the gout/blood clot scare. Obviously you’re here thank god, but your road to recovery went pretty well? Definitely know how debilitating gout can be, so my thoughts are with you. Take care.

[@999goldensilver]

Really enjoying your channel- especially when you talk through a game with your thoughts. It has been many years since I played chess, but back into it with 4 games under my belt in the past month. 3 W 1 L... the loss was a blundered Queen. Anyway- THANK YOU. I am playing tactics, forks, and pins with confidence. Keep up the great work- you are appreciated!!!

[@peterhawes9680]

One thing you could do that Gotham doesn't is to get some conversation with the player to see if they knew the reasons to play certain moves or if they knew it was a great or terrible game relative to their rating etc.

[@Thanos-snap-feminism]

Please do some more Guess the rating videos

[@Madst13]

Already waiting for next video

[@uzairshahazad3171]

Playing with your oponnents yourself and guess their rating would be more fun too..

[@uhoh8616]

Make this a series Nelson

[@rossbentley3000]

I thought Nelson's reasoning for his ratings was really good - these games are wild lmao. The 1900 game looked like one of mine and I'm 700

[@jamesa2101]

The first game was obviously lower. As someone stuck in the 1200 range people at that range almost never miss the bishop trap. Gave it away. The chasing the queen with no real developmental reason or coordinated attack. I also think a couple of their good moves looked accidental.

[@DavidThomas005]

I love seeing comments talking about “thank you, I’ve jumped 400 elo, 1200 to 1600 because of your content” Then there’s me, learning and learning but still stuck at 400 Elo. And I’m perfectly content with that because I love the analysis side of chess and your consistent, wacky, and educational positions paired with your awesome guiding questions and hints works so well to keep me entertained and sometimes proud when I actually find the right moves. Thanks for your content brother.

[@kitty12yt-Twitch]

I love your content chess vibes

[@markweismiller773]

I'm enjoying this way better than Guess the ELO. Nothing against Gotham Chess, been watching Levy's channel for years, but it's the same concept without all the drama. Keep it up my friend!

[@rhyssdeacon1845]

Nelson I think you will be surprised nowadays some 1000 rapid 800 blitz players are playing very well. It’s the rating I’m at and I’m sometimes getting into games that are 40+ moves and we are both sitting like 80+ accuracy it’s crazy

[@frankvaneldik9492]

Great video. Really surprising ELO and so many beginner mistakes.

[@axios.]

What could be interesting is seeing what the estimated elo by stockfish is as well, im really curious what stockfish thinks of the 2nd game here.

[@gabe5311]

Should have checked the GAME REVIEW to see what they played like. There are many times one plays like a superstar and it would have been fun to see if your guesses were close to what they played like. You may have been more accurate than you think.

[@Mal1234567]

Castling queen side gets the queen's rook into action faster, although the king isn't as safe.

[@adamstyle2445]

Nelson, it's been a year and I have to know... Are you still having nightmares about getting checkmated by the bishop that had been stuck behind 2 pawns the entire game?

[@GreenRayJC]

"I have lost all sense of rating. I don't know what rating means any more"

[@jayaraml8409]

''I have all sense of rating"- Nelson

[@TeroKoskinen-xy2zz]

4:21 Rde1 is good Nelson say but computers say No!

[@KisameHoshigake-oh1gp]

yo Nelson they just submitted their worst games u didn't lost ur sense of ur elo

[@TonyDaTunafish]

I like these. You should do more

[@MaykelBouma]

Take hart, as I evaluate may own games the analysis frequently gives a rating that is way off my actual elo (both up and down) Especially lower rated players (below 1500 in my mind, including myself as a lower playker😅) vary wildly in quality from game to game. Btw, After watching your video’s I usually score higher.😊

[@TeroKoskinen-xy2zz]

12:00 Nelson, you're forgetting that most people don't think logically the way you do.

[@martinscharfenberg7012]

Very nice video. i was shocked by game 2, but i had the third almost spot on.

[@andyclark8991]

Chess vibes love this, awesome it is, love to see more. Game 2 was crazy, crazy. 1948, nearly a 1000 out I was.

[@THEEXCEPTIONofficial01]

I think we found a replacement for levy🥶

[@andrewbennett5911]

@@THEEXCEPTIONofficial01 most definitely !!!

[@maximos905]

I love this new series

[@Zygnity]

Red is probably the best color for your background ❤

[@Overkill9991]

Honestly this is guess the elo but without Gotham roasting everyone. But still W content Nelson. Love the idea of guess the elo: Gotham edition

[@budgiefish]

The knight comes in, the rook comes down, hickory dickory dock!

[@adityaarora3475]

Here were my guesses at the ratings by the way Game 1: 800(wow i was so close) The player failed to say basic forks and tactics Game 2: 1050- i was close to your guess, i think they just weren't trying or weren't focused Game 3: 450- I guessed even lower than you, I agree with you here, im in the late 400s and this seemed like a pretty typical game at my level Game 4: 500- Again, similar to a typical game at my level, but ig i wasn't THAT off. I was really close on the first game, off by only 5 points, less than one game lol

[@ralkadde]

05:38 Nelson, please consider Rc8+ with mate next move! By the way, I enjoyed this video very much.

[@Mal1234567]

Nobody above 2000 can guess lower rated players' Elo's.

2:00 White castled queen side. I estimated white may be above 800 and didn't change my mind. 805 😅

[@brianmastin17]

Definitely want to see more. Im in your Breaking 1500 course and was just thinking how great it would be if you rated our game play. Looking forward to more content

[@FranckGomboc]

First of all congrats and many tx Nelson for your great videos. Issue (maybe?) is that many lowly rated players (like myself in the 1000-1200 bucket) just don’t play or practice enough but (reacting to the first game for instance) can still get things (kind of) “right” (luck? Instincts, right focus on the day, right streak of games?) whilst would also drop back to low rankings if out of practice? Lack of “club fundamentals” sometimes hurting too/can lead to more volatile results o feel. In my case 1500 feels like Everest but v rarely loses vers lower than 1000… Tx again and regards from Olympian Paris this AM

[@devthemasked4343]

All these caused by lack of experience

[@mrcheckmates12]

Btw I love this channel and only decided to comment as a means of constructive insight, not to simply criticize or complain 😊

[@bigd9813]

Good video enjoyed watching it.

[@barza-gaming445]

Tbh that 1950 elo game is the average game I play with 600 rated players and they are still like 3x better 😭

[@KingPanda-lp5ir]

As 1900 rapid player my last game I trapped my queen in 10 moves

[@thoughlifegaming2425]

I feel you bro , why did nelsi made this video without there permission, like they played bad game but why everyone saying that 1900 player was bad,

[@tominmo8865]

You might try doing a computer analysis of the games to see if the computer agreed with your assessments. In the first four games, the player might have just played really badly for their rating. The last one seemed right for their rating, as you correctly guessed.

[@benjamingrunbaum3601]

I enjoyed this!

[@teddytorres4606]

Nelson more guessing rating please i like this series.

[@ravanarbabi140]

Actually, you can't guess a player's rating based on just one game. You need to see many games played by the same player to be able to assess the rating level!

[@chess26622]

11:19 - around 900-1000. It is tough to guess their exactly ELO, so I will leave these hundreds

[@markv3541]

I have seen some other youtuber check the rating given by the game review after the reveal of their elo. Might be a cool addition to see if the computer agrees with you.

[@mazaiv4640]

Great content, love the video!

[@mrcheckmates12]

The only way this exercise makes any sense is if you choose games where the player plays exactly as strong as their rating is. Or otherwise, you could just guess the strength of the player, and then see what the engine thinks the strength of the player is. Otherwise, what's the insight in guessing a player's strength if for example a 1950 plays like a 1000, and then correctly guess 1000 only to see that they're in fact rated 1950?

[@GABBYCROWN15]

Sounds like guess the elo, but better cuz I like how respectful nelson is to the players

[@chillpill1649]

Yeah nelson is such an amazing teacher, and he is so nice!

[@Kallaste.]

@@chillpill1649 Yes, exactly.

[@TwoHonest]

Awesome! I hope you’ll do one of these live!

[@CRHILTON87]

You look at the game review and see what rating the person played rating. Sometimes, this can help to see if it was a bad game for the person or they were on par.

[@Deadeye1967]

The problem is some players are good at openings and look good, but when it comes to tactics they fall to apart. I don't bother studying openings , but my tactics are quite good, i'm 1300.

[@andyclark8991]

17:05 750 rating for player going for

[@ashleyharris4114]

If you do this again, add in the analysis from Stockfish, that way you compare your estimate to Stockfish and not their current rating. Otherwise it kinda sets you up to fail, and that doesn't feel like its fair on you. 😊

[@artsandsportsify]

Some of us are addicted to chess and can’t stop playing when we’re tired. That’s what’s difficult about guessing these. None of us are at our full strength all the time

[@BrettMoore66]

I guessed both were around 800 because that is my rating, and this is how I tend to play.

[@_.alex.-]

Nelson, you need to bear in mind that an 800 could be a 2000 player on the way up ;-) I actually went 1200 with my guess for the first game, but I think that player will sore up a bit in short order

[@stevekaczynski3793]

I was also puzzled by the 1948 rating for the second guy. I take on a chess friend at about that level and he almost invariably defeats me. The second guy - not so good.

[@TeroKoskinen-xy2zz]

15:12 Nelson what you think Nc7+ is that good or mistake?