Great video! I’d love to see another test with shorter burnishing times. I use tokonole because I find you get those results much faster than gum trag, and with less friction needed.
@markedis59028 ай бұрын
I find that if you can get enough friction to caramelise the sugars in gum trag it outperforms tokonole. However for large areas like fresh side the resins and pva in tokonole works better as it sets at a lower temperature. Top tip is to use a microfibre glass cloth for slicking, not the fluffy microfibre but the ones specifically for glass. They create loads of friction and burnish really well
@richardkatzman12158 ай бұрын
I used to use daubers but I found that they were just too messy. I switched to using cotton swabs. I found that wetting the cotton swab first keeps the cotton under control.
@1a1u0g9t4s2u8 ай бұрын
The timing of this video is perfect as today I am getting ready to burnish the edges of the 6 pairs of Bandaleros I made for Christmas gifts. Glad I already have a 4 oz bottle of Gum Trag. Thanks for sharing.
@TPMAKHOME4 күн бұрын
If you dip the tip of your scratch awl in the Gum Trag to apply it to your edges you can be about as precise at applying it as you can with the Tokonole with a needle bottle applicator.
@th.burggraf78148 ай бұрын
I usually go over my edges with a 400 grid sandpaper before I apply the Tokonole. I got the best results when I rub it on to the edge with my finger until it's halfway dry before I use the slicker tool.
@danpost47557 ай бұрын
Great side by side comparison video, Daniel! Thanks for putting this together.
@sutach8 ай бұрын
It's easy to polish edges on vegtan, I use sponge with water, after this slicker to shape up the edge, after that tokonole with cloth for finishing and sometimes wax and cloth again
@williammrdeza94458 ай бұрын
Thank you for running this comparative test, Daniel. I have had the same question regrading which slicking agent is most effective and the differences between them. Like you, I have primarily used Tokonole but have no experience with Gum Trag. These test results will have me giving Gum Trag a try in the near future.
@outdoornut8 ай бұрын
Love your videos Daniel! Many people also use Saddle Soap! Would love to see a close up of the edges! Happy Holidays!
@CrackedCandy8 ай бұрын
The one you use is the first one you saw in a KZbin video. Tragacanth is my go-to. Use my finger to apply.
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
That is the case for a lot of people. Good to try new things though. 🙂
@CrackedCandy8 ай бұрын
@@DanielReachCreations sure, don't know until you try it
@nyukknivesandleather8894 ай бұрын
Both Gum Trag and Tokonole are great for slicking edges and the back fuzzies. I always use Tokonole on my edges after first sanding with 400 grit. Once the edge is sanded I use a heavy application of Tokonole and burnish using scraps of denim. I let sit for just a bit then sand with 1000 grit and apply a thin layer of Tokonole and burnish again with denim. In most cases that is where I stop. Depending on the project and the clients desire I may sand a final time with 2000 grit, another application of Tokonole, and reburnish. I almost always use Gum Trag on the flesh side though and mainly because I don't presand or sand after with another application. Once and done. Most flesh sides depending on the project (such as shoulder straps, knife sheaths, etc.) are going to experience quite a bit of burnishing as they rub on whatever anyway. Just my 2 cents.
@Oyst8Y6h3 ай бұрын
I got a jar of Tokono a few months ago for my last two projects to test out and found myself kept going back to gum especially on my edges 😂 glad to get a sanity check here haha. Thought I might be just too old school.
@thedavidfield18 ай бұрын
It’s so funny you guys posted this video. I used about 3/4 jar of tokonole because of the hype. But I just recently switch back to gum after noticing how much easier and quicker edges slick with it vs tokonole. Definitely gum for sure.
@larrycumba27418 ай бұрын
On edges I sand using 400 grit. I then use Martin’s Mix. I bought the small bottle and their applicator. The applicator really gives perfect control. Burnish with canvas in seconds. For a really glass finish I repeat with 600 grit and Martin’Mix then burnish again.
@maskedbear17628 ай бұрын
I use Tokonole when I am in a hury, but for me I get the best result with water, then beeswax, linen cloth and elbow grease😊
@williammurdorf70608 ай бұрын
Not that I do it on the regular, but I have used egg whites in a pinch to slick leather. Learned it when I was starting out and it did the job. Couldn't tell you about durability though.
@johnfarmer62468 ай бұрын
I watched one showing bees wax. Is it good too?
@WeaverLeatherSupply8 ай бұрын
Very interesting!
@williammurdorf70608 ай бұрын
No Idea@@johnfarmer6246
@williammurdorf70608 ай бұрын
For the most part, I have been using straight paraffin wax for my edge burnishing and it turns out pretty nice. Considering a 50/50 mix of paraffin and bees wax though @@johnfarmer6246
@MistressGomorahhReigne5 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't compare the prices! Tokanal is 15.00 USD and Gum track is 10.00! Major price difference
@Fuerwahrhalunke8 ай бұрын
I love Tokonole for the flesh side of vegetable tanned leather. I have yet to find a better product. Especially loving the black Tokonole. Black just works with pretty much every dye color I have on my work desk. 👍 I also never encountered the problem of fibers sticking out. I use up to 1500 grid sandpaper and it has never let me down thus far. 🤔
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
That black/brown tokonole is awesome!
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
I missed the part about the sand paper. Something like that can definitely solve the problem. The test needed to be a simple as possible, which meant just using the product. Additional steps in the burnishing process will definitley solve the minor issue.
@lausanz7685 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! One question, for which uses do you usually wax the leather like you did it?
@edwardbella38718 ай бұрын
For a slicker i use a cut off piece of plastic food cutting board it works very well.
@luvnotvideos3 ай бұрын
How does Gum Trag hold up under damp conditions such as a dip-dyed belt that will be worn in summer?
@SidSomething5 ай бұрын
I heard that Tokonole works best if you buff it when it's half dry, whatever that may mean.
@jonmance85968 ай бұрын
Great video but i feel you didnt apply the tokonole right. I always rub the tokonole in with my finger until it goes from slippery to grippy. Then i use a burnishing tool. I find that going straight to the tool with wet tokonole doesnt let the tokonole do its job. Corter leather has a great video on tokonole.
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
Never heard of that. I'll check it out.
@jeffm67338 ай бұрын
Yep, agree great to see a simple breakdown of both, but also correct Tokonole specifically calls for allowing it to dry halfway before burnishing, to allow the resin time to partially set.
@StuffTested8 ай бұрын
Can you compare with water with being followed up by beeswax?
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
Good idea. I'll add that to the list.
@ronaldhill67608 ай бұрын
nice comparison. Bottom line is no substitute for elbow grease. Try 1 part Titbond glue to 3 parts water. Cheap and works
@SidSomething5 ай бұрын
What black or brown Tokonole on the flesh side supposed to look like ? The color of the paste is solid and dark, but for me it ends up gray or light brown after application.
@edgell38 ай бұрын
The big difference I have learned between Gum Trag and Tokonole is that Gum Trag penetrates the fibers of the leather and Tokonle does not. Therefore, you would apply a couple of applications of Gum Trag to insure a good seal. Also, Gum Trag will not crack where Tokonole sits on top of the fibers of the leather. It would be compared to edge paint only applied differently. Remember, both products dry and harden with friction and not by simple air drying. I say use the product you like and be happy. 😎
@richardhatt65418 ай бұрын
Rumor has it the company that makes tokonol is shutting down. Closing its doors.
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
I heard that rumor too but have no idea is actually true.
@jeffm67338 ай бұрын
Yes, Seiwa and they have already ceased operations.
@harnesshouse8 ай бұрын
I just us my finger to apply gum trag and tokonole. And I know some of the old timers use saliva.
@dfrmotorsports45918 ай бұрын
I hate the hazy tokenole leaves behind on darker leather....im 100% gum trag
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
Interesting. I've never noticed a haze. I'll keep an eye out for that. Thanks!
@dfrmotorsports45918 ай бұрын
@@DanielReachCreations i only notice it on black leather, i haven't noticed it on any other colors. But i also agree with the video, gum trag just feels smoother
@DeepFriedDoom8 ай бұрын
Where's Chuck? Is he on holiday?
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
Nah. His videos drop on Fridays where mine drop on Tuesdays.
@CrackedCandy8 ай бұрын
I guess it comes down to price.
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
It definitely can. Gum Trag performed a little better, and its a bit more affordable. The flip side is that, personally, I use less Tokonole because I can apply small amounts with a needle bottle. Hard to say which is more affordable. 🙂
@aminals89338 ай бұрын
The gum trag I use smells like limes
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
I've never noticed. 😂
@Storyideas818 ай бұрын
You must be from the south. You say the word "oil" properly 😂
@DanielReachCreations8 ай бұрын
Born and bred in the frying pan! Bama... then TX for the last 25 years.