Gunboat vs Outremer Catamaran Battle!

[@raymejia8397]

I used to watch your honeymoon series and now I am hooked on sailing series. Glad your still sailing. 👍

[@bc4281]

Glad to see this pop up in my feed and excited to see you back at it! I first fell in love with the idea of sailing when I found your honeymoon videos years ago. Binge watched them a few times. You are like the godfather of KZbin sailing videos.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Thanks Ben! We've enjoyed making them.

[@TheSailingFamily]

And subscribe! Many more to come!

Gunboats are narrow (BOA) so that they lift the windward hulls. Of course, that makes Gunboats easy to capsize.

[@Greenflashtech]

Hi Seth cool video! I love what you've done with your Outremer. I've seen a lot of them launch and you've chosen something unique. Nice job. I'd just make one small (but important) clarification in the video. Losing a mast is definitely not what Gunboats do or are designed to do. The rig is or should be designed to go all the way to hull fly without breaking. Some limits have been pushed on certain boats and remember any rig on any boat can come down in the wrong conditions or due to human error. I won't go further to compare the two brands because they are simply a very different - and complementing- thing. Hence why grand large bought Gunboat. It is a good family. Have a blast and sail fast!

[@TheSailingFamily]

Oh yes, I didn't imply they were meant to lose their rigs, just that the owners of those boats push them so hard that sometimes it happens. It's a big difference for us - we sail a bit more conservatively... But I agree, they are very different boats.

[@saillaviellc6045]

The Generation 1&2 Gunboats (62' and 66' including Phaedo) aren't actually carbon - the hulls are made of E-glass. The rigs, boards, rudders, and lots of other bits (including some hull stringers, bulkheads, etc) are indeed carbon... but the only truly carbon layups are found in the Gen 3&4 Gunboat 60's and 55's. Nice video and great boat - I love that Outremer! Having sailed and raced Gunboats for the past 3 years, I can tell you that they are not my ideal cruising boat. Absolute maintenance monsters, and too expensive to buy and maintain. The Outremers do a great job of balancing performance, comfort, safety, and simplicity for cruising in my opinion.

[@TheSailingFamily]

I didn't know they were E-glass, so thanks for commenting. To be honest, now I respect the 1&2 Gen boats even more (given what they can accomplish speed wise). That said, I've never cruised on one, so great to hear your feedback. They are expensive indeed!

[@paulhand7194]

Seth is correct, Phaedo is a full carbon construction Gunboat there are some areas of Kevlar / carbon cloth in the potential impact areas fwd in each hull. There is zero e-glass in the hulls of Phaedo. Nice video Seth! I remember that day sail back from Nantucket :) we hit 21 kts for a short while between East and West Chop. We had a few sloops wondering "where the heck did they come from"!!

[@kubevoid3977]

Thanks for the real world info. My dream cat is now at least cheaper and closer haha

[@rumbepack]

Phaedo is definitely carbon, according to Peter Johnstone all gunboats made after 2003 are carbon so only the first couple 62s are e-glass.

[@ZoneTelevision]

Saw Phadeo in Newport a couple years back. Beautiful boat.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Just saw here there last month. Beautiful boat!

[@gidge34]

Love your Pop’s at the helm, pinch yourself your not dreaming 💪

[@rosscarter7600]

Old School era, 1982 I built a Crowther 45. narrow boards, high wingdeck, full roach full batten. 5000 man hours, airex. Multihulls were laughed at except when we always past on the downwind side. We had cruising sails. At anchor, monohulls would attempt to come close to look but they would go aground as we were in 28" of water with dagger rudders designed by Mr. Newick. If monohullers sailed with us they would try to pad all lose objects to prevent damage then they watch a can of coke sit on the cabin top at 16 knts,,,, GOOOD memories

[@paulsevcik9749]

Seth, I'm sure that your red is better. Remember the Gunboat probably doesn't have a drone. Makes you an aircraft carrier!!

[@shelbytomy07]

maybe carbon fiber is lighter, but fiberglass is stronger

[@franknoth6726]

Wow! Flashback to your old movies. I can't wait to watch the 6 months of "gold" you have at this point :-) PS! It's very sad that several of your old movies have been deleted. I guess by KZbin do to legal rights (music). I hope you find time in the future to repost those :-) Anyway, keep on sailing an have fun! Love to you all from Norway!

[@operator0]

Pheado is actually a pretty famous racing Gunboat. She used to be orange though. When did they paint the hull...and why?

[@billhanna8838]

1/4 of the cost , wow just imagine the amount of RUM that would by .. Great vid.

[@stinkintoad]

Yes, and he's talking 1 million vs 4 million!

[@Aheitchoo]

Nice to see. Especially as compared to a similar monohull sailing in upwind conditions. As someone who only sails in lakes, I dint really understand the extent to which catamarans and mono hulls sail upwind.

[@MichaelRankin70ad]

Seth, I started watching your video's when you first started the "Honeymoon" series. I loved it and still go back and watch episodes of that series. I'm looking forward to your trip "around the world", we will be watching.

[@kubevoid3977]

Very cool video. 😎

[@CaptainBvi]

I saw this boat in the British Virgin Islands a while back.

[@alexanderkulikov4593]

I love Outremer!

[@Gusinabus]

Phaedo is kind of a superstar amongst gunboats I think

[@rustie4242]

Well not sure about the RED, you know it's the first colour on the fading chart..... Yes that means they both may end up fading to pink........ On the up side I do love her music. Cheers Rustie.

[@alexgrz7682]

Rustie Had a red boat for more than ten years the red was still great at the end and the 30 year old red that we hadn’t painted was still very good

[@dp5475]

Not even in the same class, but I'd love to have either.

[@jonnorousseau3096]

Is that the same outremer as la vagabonde?? 45'??? Good fast cats, I see you were doing just under 11knots, both the outremer and the gunboat are 25 knot capable boats, good fun I'm sure, I crew on a retired1995 64' Alex Simonis designed Robertson and Caine custom built Cape to Rio boat, very similar to that vintage Volvo and clipper boats, we make 12 knots comfortably (with the cruising headsail arrangement, furling Genoa) only in 15 to 18 knots apparent on the beam, in the '96 Cape to Rio she (SV WARRIOR) averaged 10.4 knots for the crossing, she has the tried and tested ocean racing cockpit layout with twin interlinking pedestal grinders on the 3 speed Lewmar 77 primaries and main sheet winches, 13 cockpit winches including dedicated traveller and running backstay winches, hydraulic backstay,vang and inner forestay, rodded standing rigging, she is old technology racing wise now but still a very fast yacht capable of 25 knots for sure with the required crew for that, and that's probably the biggest difference. Fair winds

[@soarindragon603]

It's a 51 not a 45. They have a video about it on the channel.

[@LIamaLlama554]

jonno Rousseau Archer is a 2014 Outremer 51. That 64’ sounds like a blast!

[@rnbspowa7of69]

Good job!

[@RandyWHorton]

I am watching this 3 years later and confused as Gunboat is exceptional and beyond any comparison

[@TheSailingFamily]

I kinda think we agreed with you in the video, no?

[@bill4nier]

Hi Seth, Nice video! Are you back? I don't care for the Gunboats, I really like the old 55 where everything was inside just in front of the helm. Two people could easily sail it. Cheers! 👍👍👍👍👍😊⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵

[@TheSailingFamily]

bill4nier Yes, we’re back! And I agree. The old gunboats were great. I made an offer on a 48 that was not accepted. Too big and you need a captain - we don’t want that either!

[@МишаНехорошев-х6ж]

Rapier 550 good too)

[@FrigateChaserFishing]

🙌🏼

[@davidvanniekerk356]

Thx. 1/4 of the price of a Gunboat!!!!!!

[@davidhendrie6935]

Hey! A video with my 2 fav boats in one. My chances of ever owning an Outramer (4X for me!) are 'slim' (beautiful GB 66 btw), but of owning a GB.... next to 0! 😔😔😔😔

[@MrBillFletcherr]

I believe you were saying the name of the Gunboat wrong.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Phaedo?

[@DriftfishCo]

Less than a year after this video Outremer acquired the Gunboat brand.

[@MrJeanelgato]

Really should have been hand steering to give it a proper go

[@TheSailingFamily]

Ha, yes, too true! We should have had our tillers out really...

[@billhanna8838]

@@TheSailingFamily feel the vibe.

[@offthestarboardhull8913]

Seth, good to see you again. Your dad is lookin’ good as well. Our circumnavigation is going well, currently in New Zealand. We’re taking our time and reaping the benefits of the slow approach. Off to Fiji in May and will return to NZ next summer. Fair winds, Scott

[@TheSailingFamily]

Great, we will see you in New Zealand then! That's currently our goal for November.

[@offthestarboardhull8913]

Sound like an achievable goal for you. We are in Opua getting the boat ready for the tropics. Our crossing will be Opua to Minerva Reef, then to Tonga for some unfinished cruising. The remaining time will be in Fiji with a return to New Zealand in November. Cheers

[@cbthomas9577]

Pretty cool video Seth! But......Remember what happened to “Rainmaker”?! Better to stay with the Outremer. LOL

[@TheSailingFamily]

Yeah, given we are cruising with kids we really don't need to be "flying a hull." I actually wonder if it helps them sell more Gunboats because it shows how fast they are, or it if harms their image showing how dangerous they are? Either way, it's one point for the Outremer! :)

[@timh1187]

Rain maker was hit by a 60knt gust with sail up. Any boat would have been demasted. Then I think it was run over by a 430ft container ship that was trying to help.

[@richardshippful]

Pheado is not just a gunboat. Pheado is THE gunboat.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Yes, right!?! That was the boat that took the brand's image away from a fast cruiser to a true race boat. It was great running into them and meeting the captain. Nice guy...

[@shelbytomy07]

at least your outremer is stronger than that gunboat

[@marksierra667]

Are you guys saling it

[@mobyhunr]

You were on auto and they were working it for a half a knot. You won

[@kathmandun8749]

Gunboat is a superior boat, but remember the best boat is the one you can afford and have

[@TheSailingFamily]

Absolutely!

[@davemonte125]

Thank you for sharing that was awesome. For a long time gunboats were my dream and then I've seen the new h&h and now it is my dreamboat. (By the way if I'm not mistaken both gunboat and h&h are designed by Morelli & Melvin)

[@TheSailingFamily]

The HH is indeed very nice. We saw one at the Newport Boat show. All three of my boys keep asking why we didn't get one of those! I should know better than to look at a boat I cannot afford!

[@davemonte125]

@@TheSailingFamily you ain't just whistling dixie there brother.... I know exactly what you mean.... But at the same time it's a good thing to have ambition of something better it keeps you "on your toes".

[@p.t.anderson1593]

At 4X the price, is it 4X the performance? You made the right choice IMHO. I've seen Outremers do 20+kts no problem...

[@kubevoid3977]

Certainly seems to be a real sweet spot.

[@Dh-de9op]

id have the outremer and spend the rest on ice cream.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Top comment award!

[@ralphvandereb66]

definitely think our red is better, brilliant lol

[@strangelee4400]

OK so your Lagoon 38 wasn't as fast...but i bet you still had a great adventure on it!

[@TheSailingFamily]

Our Lagoon was perfect for us back then. With just the two of us we had all the space we needed. It might have been a little small to sail the Pacific, but it got us there!

[@anurawijathilaka9017]

🌟🌟👌👌👌👏👏👏

[@joeblow1942]

Not sure why so many youtube channels feel the need to include loud annoying background music.

[@robinhodgkinson]

C’mon Seth. Clickbate title buddy. Yeah I know the old maxim - any two sailboats going in the same direction is a race, but “battle” had me expecting a real race ; ) Then again up against Phaedo I’m not sure it would be fair to call it a race as such! Lol. Just messin’ with ya. Your Outremer is one awesome boat. Wish I had one parked up at the dock!

[@TheSailingFamily]

Hey, it was a battle from our perspective! :) We tried to hold them back, but they're too fast. It's not a fair comparison, but I hear ya!

[@infovet2679]

maybe Shionning arrow can beat that gunboat :)

[@TheSailingFamily]

Doubt it. Those things are ridiculous!

[@infovet2679]

@@TheSailingFamily kzbin.info/www/bejne/roCkiaCIas2bZsU hmm very ridiculous ))))

[@DeeCeeTheGreat]

I refuse to be the 666th person to like this video, lol.

[@ronaldharris6569]

No problem I'll do it.it only has power if you believe in it.

[@Errol.C-nz]

Still prefer the lagoon 67...simpler & if pushed I think faster

[@MaRi-wk8gp]

lol no... absolutely no. The gunboat would eat that for lunch and then some.

[@svalliance8373]

hey I get it, you love to go fast. If it was still just you beautiful wife and yourself and can see being greedy so you can go fast, but you have three kids on the boat now. And to give up comfort, space just so you can go fast, in my eyes is just selfish. But it is you show and I will enjoy the vids.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Trust me, my wife had just as much say. The Outremer is fast, but it’s also quite comfortable (see last part of video). I would say that despite being 51 feet, it is very comparable to a 44 foot Lagoon in terms of interior space. And that’s a very comfortable boat. We tried to get the best of both worlds, and we think we did!

[@svalliance8373]

Oh, I must guess you really didn't look hard at Leopards either. They are probably the best made Cats on the market. I know since I shopped around for a year looking at many and the Leopard 50 is one of the best family world cruising cats on the market.

[@TheSailingFamily]

Yeah, we’ve chartered a couple Leopards, including a 50 in the Seychelles (see that video, it was great)! But I do include them in the Coastal Cruiser category and we wanted a boat that could sail upwind well with daggerboards. But Leopard makes a great boat. There has to be a reason they sell so many!

[@goelnuma6527]

Gunboats are for millionaires