Gundam Battle Operation 2 Request: MS-06F Zaku Minelayer

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[@MrCreepjo]

I finally stopped getting minelayer in the rolls instead the gm camouf took over as the biggest annoyances in rolls same with cold distric.

[@valdor6664]

I’ve only ever defeated a mobile suit with mines once and it was pretty funny. The guy charged at me head on so I just backed up while dropping the minds and he ran right into them.

[@thevargess8977]

Ah yes the Zaku Minelayer one of the only mobile suits to tactility shit itself love this thing

[@kombatace7971]

Ok, FIRST of all, you right

[@Zippyd00da132]

The minelayer does alot better in the two enclosed space maps with the choke points and all.

[@wasdwazd]

Melee in space is interesting. If your mobile suit happens to have High Spec AMBAC, it means you can cancel out of downswings more quickly, which means you're able to hit enemies more while they're in knockdown before they get back up. Or if you're in a suit with multiple melee weapons, like the GM Striker Kai, you can alternate between your melees and use your high mobility to effectively stunlock an enemy until you whiff a swing or run out of boost. To counter this effectiveness, it's also a lot harder to position yourself in a way to actually land your attacks. Space combat has a lot more nuance than ground.

[@modernwarfighter]

The most famous MS that pops in everyone’s supply drop that has probably maxed out.

[@piccilos]

PSA yesterday gundaminfo just uploaded gundam f91 with english sub. Nostalgia time

[@wasdwazd]

Funny you should mention that, I just saw it in the recommendations while reading this comment.

[@EohwaeTube]

I like the minelayer for a General in low cost matches. Low speed but Jamming is a great defensive skill that cancels enemy Supports' High Performance Radar and Observational Datalink. The whole enemy team lose situational awareness. The minelayer weapon is fast but don't spam it, it has a 25 second reload. You only need 2-3 to stagger enemies anyway.

[@Darth1Marik]

thing is you'll never hit anyone with them to stun them lol the mines are easily visible they don't move, the Minelayer itself is too slow to make effective use of them and they explode way too quickly before anyone can fly into them. About the only way they could be useful is you are being chased and someone is right behind you and flies into them. However most people already know to attack the minelayer from odd angles to avoid said mines. I find the MS to be very ineffective and hardly anyone uses it because of that.

[@Darth1Marik]

@@TheLurkerAtTheThreshold it was more of a figure of speech. I can tell you I've really tried with the Minelayer and I've launched those mines anywhere from about 100 to 150 times and out of all those times they hit someone probably 5 to 10 times. The damage they did wasn't even significant enough to benefit me in all situations as well. If a weapon is as unreliable as that, its bad. Sorry to say.

[@KahlilGeorge1]

i see my number 0ne, redlist name still does he's same old crap SzGundamZZ and doesn't shortie back in when something doesn't goes their way,

[@redohealer2]

The one thing I hate seeing pop up in supply drop.

[@Neocyberman1]

Have you ever done any videos on customization, IE custom parts. I'm getting into the game and just lit lance corporal 8, which opens up a bunch of custom parts. I'm also discovering many weapons have ASL and dont tell you...

[@Catstro]

The forbidden mobile suit

[@dididi3368]

something I wish they would bring back from the first game was the situation matches.

[@cristiancasarrubias1222]

Phantom_of_Time foreal. I want situation matches to comeback because they were so simple yet really fun. On top of that the MS selection is randomized so gotta work with what you get.

[@CobraTrouser]

same

[@wasdwazd]

Oh damn, I forgot those were even a thing. I would love to have that again.

[@ginger-ham4800]

This suits need AMBAC, an overall mobility buff and a higher ammo count and better reload on the mines. As it is, they're only good against Dra-C's and base shenanigans (the mines are absolutely perfect for preventing pilots from planting or deactivating bombs while you're away doing something else).

[@SSJVegies]

The radar should be like how it was in Halo. At least, Halo Reach onwards. On the radar, it'll indicate whether they are above or or below.

[@fishpop]

I've dropped this MS so many damn times that it's frustrating... There's so much stuff in the game that i don't have and yet i keep getting duplicate after duplicate. On a more positive note: i didn't know this MS existed until either the MG or RG Minelayer was revealed.

[@jastynasty9193]

One of my favorite MS types. About as close to shitting on your enemies as you can get. Those mines can devastate.

[@rodneymorris6971]

I finally got this and first match was not in my favor. Was swarmed by so many fb interceptors it was like swatting at wasp in the dark.

[@KenKenkentang]

Great video. Would like to ask what does the “jamming” do?

[@flailthroughs]

Jamming interferes with enemy radar, which among other things I believe stops HP bars from appearing over enemies' heads most of the time.

[@Flameville]

More space rounds in general would be nice to see lol. I completely avoid space 😂

[@emiliodeguarda2005]

I avoid space, too. Once they changed the controls, the bazooka melee spam came in hard and I can't move away or forward and change elevation correctly at the same time. I can't care enough to unlearn the old controls.

[@absolevoxazon8189]

I despise this suit because of how many times i've seen this in my supply drops.

[@kombatace7971]

I feel like this ms would have fared much better in the desert and forest regions of the earth, in space mines are kinda easy to dodge, as theres lots of space not occupied my mine, but thats just me

[@renorzeta]

I like space but i dont like 350 cost or lower, i dont have any suit i really like.

[@ianchoi7142]

Does the "shield" on Zaku II function as a shield at all? 1:38 gives off shield protection visual effect but it doesn't give a clear answer

[@AzraelNewtype0079]

No. The variants that wear a second one in knuckle duster mode do, but shoulder shields are almost purely cosmetic in this game. They buffed the HP vs the equivalent GMs to compensate though.

[@brando8923]

This mustve been requested to torture you lol

[@cIOSazure]

I hold my mines until an enemy tries to close on me to melee, then I backpedal and dump them. Also, if I whiff my counter tackle, just drop them all and watch the enemy take all of them to the face :P

[@GreatNinjaman]

I use the mines better when back boosting whilst being chased.

[@gespenst0083]

It’s satisfying when it kills a dra c/ custom.

[@ThatCatJay]

I've also gotten kills by boosting past somebody dropping mines as as I was close

[@WatcherMovie008]

Ah yes, the worst suit in the game beside the Gouf. Super slow, arguably slower than supports of its own tier, doesn't have AMBAC despite being a space suit only, gets jammer but is too slow to make the skills effective, open space areas in space map defeats its purpose, only viable in the two interior space maps available, can't use it mines like a grenade, has to be in front of someone to make the mines effective, and the so many other things wrong with this suit.

[@voltronimusprime3833]

I'll admit that I wish the suit was better, even just giving it AMBEC would be a huge improvement, but I'd say it's far from being anywhere near the top 10 worst suits.

[@Darth1Marik]

@@voltronimusprime3833 No it most certainly is one of the worst suits in the game. Hardly anyone uses it. In fact haven't seen one in probably almost a year.

[@voltronimusprime3833]

@@Darth1Marik It's one of my go to's for low cost space, and I do pretty well. The important thing to remember is that it's not a suit meant to solo the enemy team, you have to stay with your allies and especially the support, as the Minelayer works great as an anti-raid. You've got the grenade or rocket launcher depending on your primary, and the mines will stop any suit in it's tracks, especially those damn Drac-C's that just charge in thinking their melee's unstoppable. I'll admit it's not an easy suit to get used to, but once you get the hang of it, it can be a strong suit.

[@Darth1Marik]

@@voltronimusprime3833 I avoided it for so long but then I though to myself this suit has to have some use right? I went on to use it at least 150 times to force myself to understand it and no, it's too inconsistent. Staying with the team doesn't mean anything if they get wiped out. The only real application I ever found for the mines is if I was being chased and all that ever did was stop the enemy one time for a few seconds and they didn't do enough damage to give me an edge. Which after their used I would just continued to be chased but since the Minelayer is so slow I got caught and killed anyway. The mines are easy to avoid and often I would see enemies just fly above me or below me and the minelayer is too slow to respond in any way. I'm not sure how you achieve such great success with it but if it works for you cool but for me it's an unreliable slow mess that just isn't viable. I didn't just say that I really tried with that suit but it's just not consistent enough to do good damage or win like I do with other suits and I use a WIDE variety of suits.

[@voltronimusprime3833]

@@Darth1Marik Hey that's fine, everyone plays differently, and sometimes some suits only work for some people. For instance I've been absolutely decimated by a Striker Custom, no matter what I do, I just couldn't survive against it for more than 5 seconds, meanwhile I can't seem to make it do anything useful. Like I said, the Minelayer has a very unique playstyle, and admittedly I still have plenty of games where it feels like I just can't do any meaningful damage, but there's usually an equal number of games where even when we lose, I at least know that I was not the issue. I think the Minelayer is dragged down due to how, I swear sometimes it feels like it was designed to showcase all of the flaws in how the Space combat works: It lacks the High-Spec AMBEC skill which shouldn't be a skill, just basic physics, and it's as slow as most supports which again doesn't make sense considering in space everything has the same top speed, the only difference is acceleration, and the Minelayer really shouldn't be that slow to accelerate. It even has the same turn speed of most supports which is pretty ridiculous.

[@Darth1Marik]

The problem with this MS is it's main gimmick is largely unreliable due to the fact no one falls for it's tricks. The mines don't last long enough to be effective, they don't move so they can't actually hit anything and even when you boost towards someone the thing is so slow all they have to do is boost in another direction and the mines will still fail. I think the mines need a rework big time but unfortunately the way this game works I doubt they'll ever have any meaningful place. If BB Studios makes it to where they last too long someone could fill the map up with mines and it would start to affect the games performance. It's sadly a nice idea on paper but ineffective in application.

[@AzraelNewtype0079]

I actually really like it at 200/250 where you expect a lot of Dra-Cs doing the lawn dart game. They never learn.

[@loopstratos4619]

I don't remember the last time I've seen a space round from any of the GBO2 channels I watch. Kind of neutral about space but I don't play the game so my opinion's worth next to nothing.

[@Darth1Marik]

the problem with space matches is how awkward combat is. It's nothing like it is in most other Gundam games. At least ground combat is very similar to many Gundam games but space combat is just such a far cry.

[@Darth1Marik]

@@TheLurkerAtTheThreshold Umm I do enjoy the game, there are just some MS and weapons that are bad so I don't use them and low and behold I enjoy the game because I dont use them *gasp* what an amazing concept eh?

[@Darth1Marik]

@@TheLurkerAtTheThreshold well at least your response was fun lol so many people come here with a negative opinion or outlook and it makes things toxic and exasperating. Thanks for being a nice refreshing feeling in this ocean of douches

[@loopstratos4619]

@@TheLurkerAtTheThreshold I simply don't own a console and don't plan to get one. I always feel like upgrading a PC will have more worth than getting a console in general...

[@loopstratos4619]

@@Darth1Marik Yeah, that's defoinitely what I've heard from people. But controls could be pretty subjective so I don't have an opinion on that.