Guns In America: Debate on Gun Control with David Hogg and Spike Cohen

Gun violence prevention activist David Hogg and former Libertarian vice presidential candidate Spike Cohen will discuss various aspects of the issue, including the Second Amendment, public safety, and policy effectiveness.

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[@JerryAG83]

If comments violate youtube's guidelines, report them and let youtube deal with it. Don't shutdown the entire comment system.

[@Kyptka89]

Cowards. You're scared of folks who don't agree with you voicing their opinions... well, if voices are silenced there's always direct action as an alternative.

[@kyledavidson9449]

So God forbid people have an opinion

[@Kyptka89]

@@kyledavidson9449 Dartmouth are cowards who want to suppress expression. When your voice isn't an option... direct action may be needed.

[@kiemas12]

This is the problem, at the end of the day, doing what’s right, supporting freedom, ect. Is often VERY inconvenient. And with multiple generations raised with zero values.. here we are

[@gokuvnaruto]

Hogg did not show respect to Spike. Spike destroyed him. No wonder Hogg backed out of debating Colion Noir.

[@rodnabors7364]

I was kinda surprised he even went through with this one.

[@tnh723]

Yeah. He ran away from the other gun girl. The curly one

[@jonathanvelez4385]

Lol. He doesn't want the smoke of trying to debate Colion. Spike and Lily destroyed him with ease.

[@Freewilly2000]

@@jonathanvelez4385David knows is anti gun agenda would be over that’s why he won’t debate Colin

[@srs419]

@@tnh723 You mean Kaitlin Bennett? I don't blame him. Bennett was an attention seeker who knew if she waved her gun around people would like her. Spike actually knows things that aren't used for shock value. Hogg vs Bennett wouldn't have been a debate, it would have been two children throwing tantrums at each other.

[@stevenclyde5400]

Spike obliterated this dude, holy moly

[@TacticalStrudel]

For someone who’s made this his full time schtick, Hogg is surprisingly unprepared wrt statistics. He says “lies damn lies and statistics” yet has no stats of his own and can’t refute those presented. He said if we had country by country homicide it would show … as if that’s not data that’s easily found (and completely shuts down his argument).

[@monotech20.14]

No.

[@monotech20.14]

Why doesn't Spike or Colin Noir debate Thom Hartmann who wrote a book debunking all these rightwing 2nd amendment talking points. Instead of a 23 year old who isn't an expert on the Constitution .

[@TacticalStrudel]

@@monotech20.14 Colion Noir is not a good debater. Even his own videos where it's just a monologue and he has time to prepare, it's usually more like an unhinged rant than a well thought out and articulated argument.

[@philchroniger7839]

Hogg not only got out-pointed by Spike, he got out-pointed by the audience during the Q&A.

[@Taolan8472]

It's pretty easy to get out-pointed when you've got as many points as a circle.

[@10ring]

It's not like hogg presented a high bar to begin with. He's a walking everytown point regurgitator.

[@monotech20.14]

No Why doesn't Spike or Colin Noir debate Thom Hartmann who wrote a book debunking all these rightwing 2nd amendment talking points. Instead of a 23 year old who isn't an expert on the Constitution .

[@philchroniger7839]

@@monotech20.14 "debunk" used very subjectively in this particular case.

[@leborhal7450]

I'd like to congratulate all the students at Dartmouth who just learned a Harvard education isn't worth shit. Congrats for not having to go to a safety school.

[@Kyptka89]

Most universities are garbage. If your education doesn't require a scientific laboratory and laboratory equipment to complete... then you're wasting your money at a university.

[@RabbleInArms]

Well in his defense he did learn that Wikipedia isn't a valid scholarly source. But, then again, he didn't bring any sources of his own soooo...

[@deancilva1228]

David Hogg got slaughtered in this debate.

[@coyote520]

It was going to happen, because Hogg is a LIAR who spews typical false leftist talking points, that have been disproven over and over and over again.

[@Sperituality]

Well... he's a petulant child who's never been required to know anything to spew his ignorance, so...

[@monotech20.14]

Why doesn't Spike or Colin Noir debate Thom Hartmann who wrote a book debunking all these rightwing 2nd amendment talking points. Instead of a 23 year old who isn't an expert on the Constitution .

[@Sperituality]

@@monotech20.14 what 2nd amendment talking point is "rightwing"?

[@deancilva1228]

​the 2nd amendment isn't right or left wing.

[@JackLloyd]

Australia is most certainly a police state. Just look at what they did during the lockdowns.

[@Deathtroll1499]

Yep, back to your Covid tents prisoner

[@Burnflesh82]

Facts, Lost my job, got harassed by police prior to their control curfews, literally followed into my apartment block telling me I'm past curfew before it even began.. Meanwhile i was coming home from work.. within 5km (they also restricted us to 5km travel)... Beat up old ladies, shot people protesting peacefully etc.. and had our government speak down to it's citizens.

[@ArtyBayville]

Witnessed it. Only worst part is people complied to it. They laughed at us who saw this as a human rights violation, they berated and shutdown people. They defended the indefensible.

[@Refresh5406]

Oh hey, it's this goober

[@jonathanstevey1748]

What's funny Jack and pho is he keeps talking about Australia when cn32226 prices him wrong.

[@MichaelJamesonofgoogle]

"I am not advocating for any law-abiding citizen to have their gun taken away" -David "We need to ban semi-automatic rifles and ideally, we should Institute a mandatory buy-back on all 'assault weapons.'" One or the other, David. You can claim all day You're not coming for anyone's guns, but you have openly admitted multiple times that your goal is to take away semi-automatic rifles from law-abiding citizens. Have some consistency.

[@bananaboat1808]

Classic motte-bailey argument on his part. When he can't defend mandatory gun buybacks, he then says he isn't coming for your guns.

[@eyeskyoob7374]

Unironically the people who make this claim not understanding that the majority of firearms readily available to the general public are semi-automatic firearms is the most frustrating. Unless you have an FFL and a lot of money you aren't getting your hands on an automatic firearm. Advocating for the ban of semi-automatic firearms means advocating for the ban of all firearms. I think we should be discussing firearm functionalities to go along with these conversations because so many people are ignorant on this topic.

[@stevenglasl1443]

@@eyeskyoob7374it costs $200 and filling a file 4 form for a fully automatic weapon. Same as a suppressor or sbr. Unless you mean a lot of money as in you will fly through ammo very quick. It’s really not that hard. Find gun..find class 3 ffl..fill out form..pay $200 plus what the gun costs. Done.

[@DevDog67]

​​​@@stevenglasl1443that's correct, but there's already limited supply of automatic weapons, with additional laws not allowing civilians to buy them if they're made after '86. Scarcity drives up prices. And will continue to do so. Stuff like Uzi's and M16' s are in the car neighborhood of pricing. The cooler and older stuff like MG42's are house money. Not really avaliable to most people right? Because when it's a choice of fun stuff versus necessities most people will be picking a home vs being homeless. From what I've heard, if you can afford them, buying rare machineguns is actually a good way to make money.

[@AcidAdventurer]

​@@stevenglasl1443 transferable machine guns are insanely expensive

[@katsmaintanklive]

David is ironically one of the best salesmen for firearms even when he's getting verbally bodied w/ facts & logic GJ Spike

[@30WCF]

That question from the Chinese woman 🔥

[@PAYTONLB999]

Shes running for office (NH-02). I wish we could have here here too (MO)

[@stephenlocke2741]

Lily Tang Williams has been fighting for our rights for years. She’s worth looking into.

[@charc0al_tv]

1:28:30

[@dastreetspart3370]

and shame on that studentr pulling the mic away while she was talking

[@ctloo0808]

Lol, being owned by a Chinese woman.. too funny..😅😂

[@eleganz]

hogg is repeating talking points, its a dead giveaway in several instances. intellectual light weight. This is the difference between having ideological principles and being a puppet.

[@Taolan8472]

He's indoctrinated, plain and simple. He probably hasn't had an independent thought in years.

[@vladvladimirov4399]

Yep. I’ve seen that many times on this issue. The funny thing is that I intentionally avoid conservative “typical pro-gun” talking points and use my own approach. When I do that they have no idea how to respond because I haven’t given any of the talking points they have been pre-programmed to respond to with their own. It forces them to try and actually reason it out from scratch and they can’t because when you first get them to acknowledge that society uses a cost/benefit analysis for everything to decide what’s allowed or banned, and then drop the fact that 2x more people are killed by hands/feet a year than by all rifles combined, the idea we would ban something so prominent for such a comparatively low benefit is absurd. Then I point out the fact that something like 95% of all gun violence is committed by inner city gang members, and that if they really wanted to target gun violence they would need to target them. And since me and people like me are nothing like them in any way, punishing me and taking away my rights for the crimes committed by people I already despise and have nothing to do with is also insane. After that there’s really no response they can give.

[@drpuma_2901]

Many of the things he said are downright untrue

[@johnkrstyen7351]

1:31:00 David is against Fisa and mass surveillance of US citizens but supports a gun registry. How does he not see that contradiction? A gun registry is surveillance of what a person owns.

[@ImezRuez]

Hogg has the same blind spot inherent in most liberals, a basic lack of awareness of REALITY.

[@joeblow1942]

Marxists are very confused.

[@nolittering9900]

Yes it seemed to me that he's against tyranny when the "right wing" does it. But for it, when the left wing does it, including Europe and Australia.

[@johnkrstyen7351]

@nolittering9900 definitely seems to be a case of "Repressive Tolerance". Okay when my side does it, complete intolerance towards the other side doing it.

[@488Knight]

R's and D's both like their tyranny but want it done in different ways. D's want you to not have the option to defend yourself. R's just want to know what you are going to do before you do it so they can take you instead of the object.

[@ThePholosopher]

David Hogg couldn't understand that Wikipedia has citations to outside sources like he could not understand the nuance of "per capita."

[@thomaspaine656]

He's clearly just programmed to say what he says like a fucking robot. He even bragged about not bringing a single piece of paper. He was bragging about not being prepared for a fucking debate!

[@cloutxatlas9343]

He has no substance at all throughout this debate. He keeps repeating the same talking points despite of him saying that he wants to find a common ground from the get go.

[@skyewalker40]

He was foundering early and was grasping at anything he could deflect from his lack of knowledge.

[@jonathanstevey1748]

Hogg got owned Pho...funny to watch

[@bigz5262]

It was so devastating to his world view that he had to find something wrong with it

[@mere7583]

Love that Hogg’s response to Lily was hopeful against the US becoming tyrannical, then immediately mentioned the Patriot Act. So not only is the gun debate truly over, but also why haven’t we freed ourselves from this tyranny already?

[@austindecker7643]

No one trains and got too much football to watch and they aren’t willing to give anything up they have to be willing to lose everything including their lives and their families lives

[@alanmeyers3957]

@@austindecker7643Bingo, too comfortable, it’s sad, I’ll die tomorrow for my beliefs.

[@jasonmartin7364]

Well spoken my friend ask myself this daily it seems. Let’s get this Show started

[@donkeydeck5263]

​@@alanmeyers3957 no balls, you won't

[@TropicalRegicide]

Good job owning him Spike!

[@phasesofjc2123]

Love to see it

[@MorganJ]

I'm glad that Spike called out the "fire in a crowded theatre" statement; I don't understand how anyone who has read Schenck v. United States can support the decision. Charles Schenck was prosecuted for distributing media opposing the draft. Schenck was a peaceful man, and what happened to him was abhorrent.

[@Mr6Sinner]

Would you be able to give me a general time that this happened? I had to watch this in a few instanced so I think I skipped over that part.

[@richardwstafford1]

​@@Mr6Sinner @26:12

[@MorganJ]

@@Mr6Sinner 26:15 if I recall correctly.

[@Based_Druid]

Echos of Hitchens.

[@PeerReview-tq3pn]

@@Based_Druid did he use that argument before? I thought he would be a bit more quirked

[@TacticalT]

You don’t have a constitutional right to safety. Safety is your responsibility, and you should have the means to defend yourself.

[@robertc783]

D Hogg's father is a former fed. He now runs a "Crisis Training corp" that trains police and municipalities in how to deal with active shooters. David Hoggs child hood photo was used to create Adam Lanza. I don't know how anyone can miss the eyes...

[@dougro372]

The CDC and NIH should be looking into SSRIs not gun control.

[@brett2015]

The CDC profits from SSRIs being prescribed.

[@htimmins]

💯!!!

[@robertc783]

D Hogg's father is a former fed. He now runs a "Crisis Training corp" that trains police and municipalities in how to deal with active shooters. David Hoggs child hood photo was used to create Adam Lanza. I don't know how anyone can miss the eyes...

[@distracting_games]

Considering withdrawal from.them includes violent tendencies...

[@isanynameavailable6]

The cdc and nih should be obligated as institutions

[@MarkMichon7]

So this is the one debate David Hogg will use for the next decade to turn other debates down with, by saying he already debated his beliefs lol.

[@Kenthis15]

I’m pretty sure universities pay debate participants. This debate was probably the biggest payday he’s had in a while.

[@dizcolombian]

I’m confused. The constitution doesn’t give anyone rights or allow anyone to do anything. The constitution is instructions for what the government can and CAN’T do. In other words, the constitution doesn’t say People can say whatever they want, it says the government can’t limit people’s speech. This is a distinct difference.

[@woahdude3853]

A person's right to remain free is absolute. Which means the constitution is there to keep the people free. Which means the people can and say and do whatever they want within the guidelines of freedoms as long as it doesn't interfere with your neighbors freedoms and rights.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

​@@woahdude3853and violating the rights of others is how you can legally lose your rights and/or property.

[@dizcolombian]

@@woahdude3853 what I’m saying is the constitution doesn’t give people anything, it is meant to limit government. We are already free. We don’t need constitution for that. Constitution is instructions for government. Not us.

[@jonathanstevey1748]

Your confusion is the left believes the government bestows right...so a constitution is basically a document limiting what those believers can do.

[@SmedleyWarIsaRacket]

No you are not confused, you are correct. It is everyone else that is mindless idiots for they have zero understanding of what the CONstituion CONtract that they did not sign really is. The CONstituion is a CONtract. All of its signatories are DEAD! The Posterity would be the bloodlines of the signers. If one did not sign it you are not party to the CONtract, How can someone be party to a CONtract that was signed two plus centuries where all the signers are long dead and before you even draw your first breath?? What is amazing to me is people want to be party to a CON tract they did not sign. Some can even recite the entire CONtract and yet the reality is it has ZERO to do with them other than their beLIEf that it does, so what do people do? Go along with the CONtract even though it was signed centuries before they drew their first breath, and the cretins who drew up said CONtract and those that followed have made it clear that if you do not object to the CONtract at all and or obligate yourself to it (defend the 2nd amendment) you are party to its brutal tyrannical laws....thus you help proliferate all the ills of the government. “But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” ― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

[@StephenPerriconeMUSIC]

Ideologues like David are incredibly dangerous, because there wasn’t a single thing he said in this debate that didn’t involve expanding government surveillance or overreach to achieve his vision. At the same he railed against all forms of totalitarianism, not realizing that’s what he actually stands for. It’s unbelievable what I just witnessed.

[@codingwithjodie.7319]

The problem with idealists is that they don’t think of the consequences of what their ideals will have on reality.

[@jasonmartin7364]

Wow!! This was in incredible Statement my Brother. Absolutely admired what you wrote. Thank you

[@Lurch685]

This is the results of a Harvard education on top of a public school education.

[@pcspecialistpdx]

I wish Spike could have responded to David's comment on Australia... you know, the country where the police were posting on facebook photos of tents in the wilderness with the caption "we will find you" (people who left the city to escape the Covid tyranny). That was the absolute most stupid thing David said and Spike never got a chance to respond.

[@schoolboy405]

“But you trust government too much “ BIG FACTS RIGHT THERE

[@perhapsyes5745]

David hogg in opening statements "Im interested in why people commit violence, parkland was because no ones stopped gim from accessing an AR15." Umm... dude. Thats the how, not rhe why..

[@ecobasetech4558]

The reality is that there are millions of examples of defensive use of firearms that never get reported!

[@TacticalT]

An expert debate. A boy who wasn’t at a school shooting vs a libertarian with vast amounts of firearm knowledge

[@benmeltzer]

Did you not watch the debate? Repeatedly he said he was indeed at the shooting. That's the source of his expertise.

[@PAYTONLB999]

​@@benmeltzerwhat expertise does that grant him? The expert knowledge that the government is not there to protect you and has no duty to do so?

[@benmeltzer]

@@PAYTONLB999 He was mere feet away, which enabled him to witness the effect of the wopean.

[@richardavery4692]

​@@benmeltzerlol! No, David literally rode his bike to the school after the shooting. He was never there. That's why he was the first student interviewed by news crews as they arrived. He was already outside the building before the other students were released from lockdown.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@benmeltzerDoes being in a vehicle accident make you an expert in vehicle safety? No.

[@Redefining-Doug]

This seems like a great advertisement for Dartmouth, and a terrible one for Harvard...

[@stormofsteel6980]

“There should be a way for someone to remove a firearm from their home if they don’t want one” yes it’s called a pawn shop 😂

[@furrycow9263]

Ironically the most recent piece of legislation from the Biden administration makes it significantly more difficult to perform a private firearm sale.

[@iantuck3707]

I facepalmed so hard here when he said that. You can literally sell it, to pawn shops, to FFL dealers, lots of places. His answer shows how absolutely dependent on the government he is, and believes others are.

[@routereyes6408]

There should be laws for consequences, not laws restricting your rights.

[@danrozanski6130]

Jesus this should have been over in the first minute when he didn't blame LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE FBI for not doing their fucking job! But sure, blame guns

[@robertc783]

D Hogg's father is a former fed. He now runs a "Crisis Training corp" that trains police and municipalities in how to deal with active shooters. David Hoggs child hood photo was used to create Adam Lanza. I don't know how anyone can miss the eyes...

[@ca8944]

Exactly! Maybe he skipped over that bc his dad was FBI?

[@ca8944]

My comment got deleted bc I mentioned his dad

[@robertc783]

@@ca8944 My original comment did as well. I even looked for it through the comments. Then I copied my post and used the reply. Cheers man

[@user-anc123]

Those who give essential freedoms for security deserve neither…. Ben Franklin

[@icepicjoey]

1:28:28 I came here for Lilly Tang Williams epic statement.

[@PAYTONLB999]

Seconded. Absolutely loved it

[@mjolnirdynamics8789]

Suicide methods have absolutely nothing to do with my firearms ownership rights. Don't allow them to shift the conversation down paths like these.

[@chopinbloc]

At the end of the day, one of the men at that table is advocating for the State to use gun violence against his peaceable neighbors, and the other was not.

[@jasonmartin7364]

Nicely said Bro but I do believe we witnessed one (1) MAN and a boy. At the table.

[@davidhoward496]

"Waah. I'm a victim of people targeting me bc I used a tragedy I wasn't even present for to catapult myself into the public eye, and gift to stroke my own ego... but I totally respect you all."🙄

[@ledgend_coffee]

"No right is unlimited "....neither is government power.

[@ELCLAVE300]

💯

[@testing2741]

The only way, according to the founders, that any right can legally be limited is, when your violate someone else's rights - you have have all rights up to that disbtinct point. That is where rights are limited. That's why the concept of banning types firearms and automatic weapons is unconstitutional as it relies on the government's ability to regulate interstate commerce (at ratification you could own cannond and literally Warship - in the government even contracted private owners of Gunships and heavy artillery to be pirates for them!)... but not in the original sense, but in the sense thr FDR extorted the court into reinterpretating - when they first rules against him on his interpretation of "interstate commerce", he threatened to stack the courts and destroy the independence of Judiciary. Thus when when he came back to the courts asking the same exact question, the justices did a complete 180, and thus we have the bloated Federal government we have today that can regulate anything under the guise if "interstate commerce". The founders made clear in their writings at the time of the Constitution that, interstate commerce regulation only meant that the federal government could prevent one state from taxing another State's Goods to create unfair advantages and imbalances among the states economically. But thanks to the extortion of FDR, the term "Interstate Commerce" in law now means: if anything is commerce and it crosses a state line, be it transactionally or physically, then the government has complete and utter control over everything about that product and transaction.

[@2amamabear163]

David’s answer to the Chinese woman sums it all up…it’s POLITICAL for him, not about “keeping us safe”

[@lokiluck3216]

Enacting Massachusetts firearm laws across our Republic is tantamount to Yankee imperialism and goes against the Constitution of Massachusetts. The assailant who attacked Stoneman Douglass was required to wait for his AR-15 for 5 business days, as per Broward County Ordinance 18-96. Throughout history, violent crime has been a social issue, as evidenced in Ancient Rome. A national registry is the path to genocide or democide. Any doubts? Please examine the 100-day holocaust that occurred in Rwanda in 1994. Criminal evidence disposal functions are what gun buybacks are all about. Mr. Hogg holds the view that the state should be more powerful than its people and I view his declaration as treasonous. Additionally, he displays numerous Rebecca Peters talking points. Anyone who even believes in trusting the government has failed history.

[@thomaspaine656]

Holy crap the gun control debate was nuked in this one. We can just Spike the ball and celebrate folks!

[@quest7447]

The absolute gall Hogg has to call himself a “survivor” when he wasn’t even at the school. The disrespect is disgusting

[@michaelkaiser1864]

No kidding. He was in his 20s. Theyre called crisis actors.

[@oldskoolstewart]

I am genuinely surprised to see that this debate actually happened. It was a fantastic watch. Regarding firearm training. I think they are incredibly valuable, but I would never want to see them considered mandatory. However, I’d love to be able to write them off on my taxes. THAT would be a greater incentive for people to get gun training.

[@user-anc123]

Shall not be infringed…. There is no compromise

[@jayatsOX]

Sheriff in CO, Republican, big supporter of Red Flag Laws until prisoners had him flagged because they "lived with him." Due process is essential. ​​⁠its around 40 minutes remaining. Red flag laws lack any due process. An anonymous allegation can trigger one.

[@billhartig4805]

Which sheriff? I don't remember that...

[@michaelkaiser1864]

No sympathy to that sheriff. Treason is a crime with no quarter given...or used to not be.

[@pcspecialistpdx]

My neighbor was gunned down by the blue terrorists enforcing red flag laws.

[@CrossedBonesJones]

Anytime Spike delivers an effective point, David responds with “my classmates were killed with a gun”.

[@ecobasetech4558]

Last time I checked, firearms manufacturers don't sell directly to civilians, they sell to FFLs and then the FFLs after getting background check showing the purchaser is not a preventative person, sell the gun. THIS IS ALL LEGAL!!!!

[@ELCLAVE300]

"But you trust government too much." She summed up David accurately.

[@SpineBuster]

We’re STILL not supposed to have a standing army, for the same reasons we didn’t have one in the 18th century. The army we have, with its bases all over the world, is illegal.

[@pjh1663]

The constitution allows for congress to create a standing army. They do this by passing the NDAA every 2 years. You may not like it but the reality is it's not illegal.

[@dragonf1092]

​@@pjh1663Wrong the constitution prohibits a standing army period, Congress only has authority to create a army in times of invasion and are not supposed to be funding said army for no longer than 2 years. The Pentagon and US military is illegal in violation of the US constitution. Congress only has legal lawful authority to create and fund a navy.

[@dragonf1092]

​@@pjh1663NDAA is illegal in violation of the constitution.

[@jimd1944]

@@dragonf1092 Not quite right. According to our constitution (did you read it?), Congress is given the right "to raise and support Armies, but no appropriation of Money to that use shall be for a longer term than two Years." Where does that prohibit a standing army? It only restricts or requires that funding be for two years. Where does it state Congress is only authorized to raise an Army only for invasion? There is no other prohibition other than having to reauthorize funding every two years. Until WWII we were able to maintain a very small army because of our unique position in the world with two oceans as a buffer. We had time to recruit and train our armies, but it has been shown we no longer have that luxury so yes, we reauthorize the military every two years. As for the Navy, Congress is specifically required "To provide and maintain a Navy." Which would mean funding is REQUIRED (unlike the Army)

[@dragonf1092]

@@jimd1944 what's the point of raising a army if there is already a standing army genius. A standing army is not supposed to exist under the constitution of the united states.

[@gipsydanger7]

Spike was clapping Hogg’s cheeks so hard, Spike’s wife almost filed for divorce 😂😂😂😂

[@codymyers3320]

He won’t be in the stack.

[@srs419]

I don't think I've ever seen a person flail like Hogg did. He realized he was losing and went to "well it just feels this way, you know".

[@MrJobob1981]

It’s amazing how neither of them brought up the fact that the CDC DID do a study on defensive gun violence. It was so detrimental to the gun control activists that 2 democrat senators made the CDC take it down.

[@RickZackExploreOffroad]

Exactly. It should also be mentioned that the Dickey Amendment didn't ban research on firearms, but it prohibited a government agency (in this case the CDC) from using taxpayers dollars to advocate for a political agenda.

[@kiemas12]

I love how the Chinese lady brought the truth out Which is quite literally, I don’t want people that I don’t like to have guns. lol.

[@SirEmoSushi]

These time limits were ridiculously too short

[@sterlinggecko3269]

nuance is code for 'look, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but my talking points are set in stone and I should win this debate'.

[@Av8torman42]

I think Spike missed an opportunity on the suicide debate. Even if our suicide rate is higher someone else’s inability to deal with life should not reduce my right to own firearms.

[@jimd1944]

I totally agree with you. Suicide by firearm is NOT "gun violence" (a made up term). What is never mentioned is that even though many "Civilized" European countries have way lower gun deaths by suicide, what is not mentioned is that their actual suicide death rates are often more than our total suicide death rate. If no access to a gun, the prefered method is often suffocation or poison. In Australia, with manadtory "buyback (confiscation) they claim that gun deaths were reduced dramatically. perhaps but, their murder rate rmained thee same and, while suicide by guns went down, suicides went up slightly .. just by other means.

[@Gunitro]

Imagine if this was Colion 😂

[@firefly9838]

Would've been WAY better at clapping back

[@anncormican9519]

I caught the last 40 minutes or so and was impressed with both speakers. The comment of “nobody wants mob rule by force” made me chuckle because sometimes I think that’s what we’re experiencing currently. Idk if it was addressed earlier but the mention of gun laws hindering minorities and their personal safety is something that needs more attention.

[@jamesgroce3125]

The tragedy of this "debate" is that people are even accepting the idea that we should entertain those who seek to make American citizens under ever more control of Big Government.

[@jamesr792]

You are correct. These are people who want to strip away our rights. Their main justification is that every other country does it. These people are our enemies.

[@S1rSlippy]

Honestly we need to bring back the class my grandparents had in public school. They had a gun safety course and were even taken to the range as a final exam. I'd be fine making this an optional class of course.

[@asnyc01]

How is Hogg considered an expert????

[@ArtyBayville]

1:29:02 the fact he said he cannot guaranteed it shows that his identity ideology is bankrupt, it is a waste of time and has little worth other than authoritarian control.

[@PAYTONLB999]

That was it. Thats all anyone needs to hear. Lily Tang Williams nuked any shred of ligitimacy david hogg thought he had left right there.

[@Antitotalitarianrevolutionary]

No one has a right to safety, you have a right to defend yourself.

[@thedarwinist672]

1:21:00 fucking legend

[@leborhal7450]

Fuckin legend.

[@EricGranata]

Cool and based. 😎

[@ArtyBayville]

Amazingly bad response from Hogg, the police have access to the backing of the military and the national guard that have more than enough firearms back in the 90s to stop criminals even with RPGs, this is a joke of a conversation,

[@benmeltzer]

1:21:13 to be exact.

[@Ninimae]

💯🤍

[@teslajet]

Would an actual tyrant, support Dave's policies...or Spike's?

[@jamesadams893]

Dave's policies of course

[@mobilememes1313]

A tyrants historically always dearmed their populace, the greatest being Mao ze dong, Stalin, Hitler, and countless others took guns, then ruled with an iron fist, no one could fight back

[@TacticalStrudel]

The beginning survey answers are pretty surprising for college students

[@blakek2619]

It was probably 8 in the morning

[@CharlieK-hy3ep]

It's new Hampshire, the state with the least gun restrictions. Also home of the free state project.

[@TacticalStrudel]

@@CharlieK-hy3ep it’s academia, and the students by and large aren’t from NH.

[@MiniPainterGamerDadD20]

I never heard of this Spike Cohen dude but he absolutely obliterated Little David.

[@jpbochi]

"European schools are gun-free zones, too. When is the last time you heard of a mass shooting there?" PRAGUE, 21 December 2023, 18 dead, 25 injured. His arguments are ALL anecdotes, hypotheticals, feelings, ignorance, and lies.

[@rwalkenhorst]

Hogg argued at one point that "assault rifles" are not effective for self-defense. Then later he talked about attributes that make them very functional killing tools, saying that they are easy to shoot and can accommodate large magazines. So which is it? Do they have these qualities only in the hands of bad guys?

[@eyeskyoob7374]

I love that Spike brought a graph for everything lmao

[@jessicaprice7029]

5:45 notice David doesn't clap for Spike, but Spike claps for David.

[@kiemas12]

I hate when people are like .. well people died so if you don’t agree with me you’re okay with that. That’s what’s being said by Hogg. And it is.

[@PrayingPanda]

He literally didn't say that at all during this debate.

[@kiemas12]

@@PrayingPanda verbatim ? No, obviously. But he did say that virtually. I don’t know why you just commented this lol.

[@PrayingPanda]

@kiemas12 he didn't. I just watched the hole thing. While many of us disagree with him, we should not claim he said things he didn't. We should have honor and integrity. We can win on the issue. Let's do that instead of misrepresenting our opponents. If you think he basically said "if you don't agree with me, then you're OK with people dying", please timestamp.

[@PrayingPanda]

@@kiemas12 .

[@kiemas12]

@@PrayingPanda Again, I didn’t say he actually said that word for word, I mean I thought that would be obvious, guess I should have been more clear. I’m actually just saying what he clearly means in plain words. I mean for gods sake he brought up the fire in a crowded theatre analogy twice lol this is not a good faith debater. We’ve already won on the issue objectively. Seems like you watched it. So you know. Some people like Hogg, )who lives an exceedingly comfortable life in comparison to most of us) just don’t understand that simply being alive is not the most important thing to a huge percentage of people in this country. And around the world for that matter. This kind of thinking is super dangerous. And I agree with everything you said btw, I don’t think it’s dishonorable to interpret people’s meaning.

[@chopinbloc]

Lil' bro keeps going back to the crowded theater analogy, forgetting that you CAN and SHOULD shout "fire" when there is a fire. The reason you shouldn't shout "fire" when there isn't one is that by providing false information, you will harm people. Speech that is false and harmful is illegal. It's not just some arbitrary rule to maintain order. The only just limits on our behavior are the equal rights of our neighbors.

[@psycomutt]

Hogg got absolutely bodied

[@Dutchbrother07]

I love how at least a couple times, David essentially says he thinks there’s a legitimate libertarian argument for basically the most authoritative policy you’ve ever heard of. David, do you have any idea what “libertarian” means?

[@Kenthis15]

I know he’s young but Hogg came off very immature, he also primarily debated with emotional appeal and contradicted himself several times.

[@Stephen_R_Johnson]

I noticed Hogg attacked Spike's sources but not anything in the source while stating 'facts' without any source at all. His entire monologue was little more than emotional talking points.

[@bastionblackperformance3804]

My goodness, he got less capable by going to Harvard

[@CrossedBonesJones]

What amendment to the Bill of Rights is “the right to safety”?

[@wwfera00]

Colion Noir would demolish Hoggs. But Hoggs turned him down.

[@jamesr792]

David escaped getting killed at Parkland only to get straight up merked by Spike.

[@zoewarren2148]

The moderator is so emotionally sympathetic to Hogg. I don't know his poli-lean, but he is absolutely anti-Spike and pro-Hogg.

[@ecobasetech4558]

These suggestions you are making are not "REASONABLE" gun restrictions

[@ecobasetech4558]

Your version of "Common Sense" is nothing more than flawed logic.

[@tynewhit7814]

Well, they survey proved nothing because the same demographic wasn't included.

[@codemissing]

They said David was a survivor of the Parkland shooting. Isn't it true that he wasn't even there when it happened? How can you survive something you weren't there for? Like I survived 9/11 because I was in California.

[@Saabotage05]

Wow, that lady talking about her time in China really put an end to the debate as a whole. That was powerful. Respect to her for taking the time to point out just how dangerous it can be with gun control laws.

[@MichaelJamesonofgoogle]

Great debate, David! Now, please debate Colion Noir next. Oh yeah, Spike did a fantastic job, too.

[@ninepinespare]

i tried but i just cant stand listening to david hog.

[@MilspecZero]

Me neither buddy.

[@oogaboogalou4521]

Neither can any woman in America.

[@satcomjimmy]

He wasn't bad. Honestly I'm glad they kept it to good faith arguments and kept it civil. The audience stepped in for the smack down.

[@jamesmyers1978]

He’s a paid shill with nothing useful to contribute.

[@lokiluck3216]

From a logical perspective, Beaker speaks more clearly than this Harvard Law Graduate.

[@dreadknaught65]

I wish they had a control for the survey. Since the same voters at the beginning were not the same people at the end, there was no control.

[@jeffwilkinson667]

David said at the end of the debate that we need to do something different to stop all of this. The reason this is going on is because the government stepped in and did something different which caused all of this as it was pointed out. Government stepping out of its constitutional bounds is the problem.

[@tobringaboutpodcast]

The amount of time they get to respond is insane.

[@johnkrstyen7351]

Yes, and another yes every 16-45 year old should be given and required to have a M16 David.

[@user-ih2gh3yz6q]

Second questioner: “are you gonna be in the stack or nah?”🤣

[@sk8erguyjake]

“The fact of the matter is” that David Hogg got wrecked in this debate. Well done spike.

[@AnarchyOutdoorsOfficial]

I had armed teachers in my school. Utah allows firearms in schools and we have almost zero school shootings.

[@dastreetspart3370]

shame on that student for pulling the mic away from Lily Tang Williams while she was still speaking. she singlehandedly killed hogg's argument!

[@stevef6857]

Using David Hogg and the word "expert" in the same sentence. 😂😂

[@user-om7lt6on1n]

David Hogg makes me happy I don't have a Harvard degree.

[@JonathanSchattke]

I wager no one will mention 8%/50%

[@EricGranata]

What’s that? 🤔

[@thomaspaine656]

How about you enlighten us?

[@Woodland_Warrior]

@@thomaspaine65613% of the population committing more than 50% of all violent crimes… FBI crime statistics separated by race, any year

[@Lysander_Spooner]

Exactly. That's why crime rates are lower in culturally homogeneous countries.

[@Deathtroll1499]

@@EricGranatacertain demographic in the US is wayyyy more prone to committing violent crimes