Heated Gun Debate Between Colion Noir & Co-Founder of Gun Control Organization

[@HonestTakesAll]

When he said there’s a 5 rd limit for deer and 3 for duck, there is no limit for people. Yes there is… the limit is zero. You’re not allowed by law to hunt humans…

[@BooksNGuns]

Facts

[@kalebcook7215]

this comment is underrated

[@kevinm.328]

True, and if someone is trying to kill me why would I limit myself on ammo? Hold on bad guy, you only have 10!? Let me unload 20 of mine. Now it's fair🤣

[@spencerjensen1993]

Hahahaha! Nice.

[@jimhirka9395]

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. - John Steinbeck His arguments revolve around how many rounds police etc have which indicates some type of fairness debate.

[@kelseymcgarrah2858]

I think everybody who's a 2A advocate in this comment section needs to take a moment to really be thankful for colion noir and the fact that he is eloquent enough to put people like this in their place and make them look as dumb as they really are, I personally thank you colion we need more men like you in this cause

[@ryanramos3286]

🙏💪

[@alwaysfreedom9354]

He is a great man! We should also support the authors, like John Lott and John Grit, who support the human right to own and carry guns. Beyond that, they support freedom itself.

[@stevengirardi6542]

Colion is always on point. John however is the epitome of his side. He obviously has no education on guns, "all the tissue damage the 223 does" ??? Sorry, go get educated before attempting to have a conversation on the topic!

[@NB-no7lh]

👏🏻

[@TheBurkey426]

Well said!

[@zachtretbar7817]

John Rosenthal answered exactly 0 questions, while also contradicting himself.

[@Barefoot433]

I agree.

[@potterj09]

He taught me today that .223 rounds are the ones'what tumble ... hahaha.

[@user-dp2km4zv5f]

Just like Biden

[@zackanderson8942]

All Dems are commies bro listen to what he says

[@josephcongimi]

@@potterj09 yea he obviously has no idea what he’s talking about I think 223 is small honestly and military weapons are automatic weapons amazing how he can start an anti gun organization and have no idea about guns

[@Zachary-]

"I LET YOU SPEAK." while never actually letting him speak.

[@tr3boz528]

ah yes, the american politician…

[@wakeupatnightable]

Was just about to comment this. He tried to bulldoze the conversation.

[@rothandre6497]

Honestly, this wasn't a debate. It was Colion trying to discuss and debate, and John doing mental gymnastics to support his untenable views.

[@johnkolinoff8591]

Exactly.

[@doom2ruler]

John could not answer a single question and had to try to end-round it every time. It was never an answer, it was, "So you want..." He couldn't stop straw-manning!

[@truthcomedy.]

As they do Verbal Judo, Mental Gymnastics...this guys are MMA of logic system, but this guy is worst than McGregor fails on his own logic.

[@capnjs]

His responses reminded me of how the guys who get caught wearing fake military uniforms react when they get called out on their inconsistencies. Grasping at straws trying to sound authoritative while having a complete lack of the fundamental knowledge required to do so. Unfortunately, as these clowns in uniform fool many people, so to will this idiot claiming to be "pro second amendment" while in the next breath saying that women should be banned from owning the most accurate and easy to aim home defense weapon (AR 15).

[@DeusVeritatis]

Fudds usually live like that.

[@FoxholeIndustries]

John is making every stupid argument we always hear. He doesn’t sound additionally educated on it compared to your average anti gun nut. He became frustrated with colion quickly and contradicted himself many times. He needs to pick a new cause because he’s not good at fighting for this one.

[@joshbechaistron791]

I was thinking the exact same thing and you beat me to it lol. Yeah john is just pounding out the same anti-gun tropes we've all heard a million times. He's uninformed, out of touch and falls back on worn out defense mechanisms instead of presenting a valid argument.

[@kokonanana1]

How about controlling drugs in Massachusetts? Death from guns 3.4/100,000. Deaths from drugs 31.8/100,000. Check the CDC!!! He is not worried about safety, he is worried about CONTROL!!!

[@beargillium2369]

@@kokonanana1 very good point, and I'd bet that drugs are involved (if not the direct cause) in most of the gun deaths as well, in a myriad of ways.

[@sweetiespoon5150]

Logical fallacies abound! This man John is an incredulous hypocrite.

[@factspirate99]

He does it because he knows how to get rich doing it.

[@THEKITPLUG]

The biggest fundamental difference is one side has faith in the government to never do evil, and the other side knows history.

[@mcbean1]

And that the latter side has faith that guns are an effective form of protection from said government

[@padywac1970]

Bingo!

[@bulrydrdan]

@@mcbean1 It worked for the people of Vietnam and Afghanistan.

[@mcbean1]

@@bulrydrdan well seeing what wonderful places those are I have to really question your understanding of the word "worked"

[@bulrydrdan]

@@mcbean1 It doesn't have to be your utopia to answer the question that gun protected themselves from said Government. See I lived in the real world for 50+ yrs and all over this world. While you have lived where? So my understanding of the real world may be differant than your understanding of a small portion of it.

[@speed6407]

I don't own a single assault weapon . Every firearm i own is a defense firearm!

[@robertcross3451]

@speed6407 and or hunting

[@jonosterman2878]

Technically it’s not a true assault rifle because it isn’t select fire, but we should stop pretending that it wouldn’t be right at home on any battlefield. The m4s dint even do full auto anyway they do burst, so how much of a difference is there really? But also, there is NOTHING wrong with civilians owning semi auto versions or what our soldiers are issued. Not a god damn thing wrong with that. That’s the point we should be pushing, not that they aren’t assault rifles or military weapons, but that they are and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just like being gay 😂

[@D34D22]

⁠@@jonosterman2878Depends on the type of m4. Also, no, by the governments definition of assault weapon, no they are not.

[@ItsRyanStudios]

Nah bro, don't concede to them. Call it like it is. An armalite rifle ≠ your grandpa's hunting rifle We have a right to military assault weapons

[@rickalexander2801]

Rosenthal: " I don't need an AR-15" Patriots: It's called a "Bill of Rights", not a "Bill of Needs"

[@billgoobinhoffer4705]

Then he says he owns a Daniel defense 5.56. Hypocrite!

[@Dr.pikachuu]

I love this lol

[@Haveablessedday820]

@@billgoobinhoffer4705 it’s different he has money For these people if you got enough money you can own anything

[@joshmueller1212]

Then why does he have one?

[@ponycentaur1456]

when Rosenthal says you dont need an AR. That is why i will buy TWO Ar

[@JohnDoe-lx3dt]

I love watching these from the UK, where we banned all guns for self defence yet gun crime is on the rise. Don’t give up your rights and freedoms to these monsters

[@dnandez79]

Howdy from Texas. They aint takin anything from anyone. The second they start a door to door program the free men of America will rise up.

[@saongpark2423]

not to mention crimes with knives and other objects. And 60% hot home invasion because criminals don't worry about armed home owners.

[@jedeckert9525]

Thank you.

[@chetsjug]

No kidding like when they took the handguns from Australia crime went up and again when they had their BuyBacks for all long guns the home-invasion robberies increased tenfold!

[@Mike_H76]

I recently saw a 2018 article about a knife terrorist (Jihadist) in London... immediately the "bobbies" armed up with their AR's and patrolled the subways. They literally looked military, far more than US police. Of course, nobody was there to save the people knifed to death.

[@robbywoolums9071]

For someone who runs “stop handgun violence,” he sure does talk a lot about rifles.

[@fotaugrafee]

Colion said it best in his foreword, that he's nothing more than an anti-gun or gun control shill, regardless of how many or what firearms he owns.

[@kayp.3832]

The left ALWAYS contradicts themselves. I'm sure he also thinks a toddler isn't a full person either. They're literally all a walking joke.

[@hmanontario]

When he described the "devastation" caused by a .223 round, and questioned the ability to consume game taken with that round, it threw his credentials/credibility as a gun owner right out the window. Owning firearms out of convenience to bolster your point, as if to say, "Hey I'm one of you guys, I got the inside scoop" is so disingenuous.

[@fotaugrafee]

@@hmanontario In CN's comical libtard voice, "OMG, it like, turned it into venison shrapnel!!"

[@trivory59]

@@kayp.3832 what's crazy is for the most part I'm a Democrat but believe the 2A is one of the most important ammendment. I stand on both sides depending on the subject but I strongly believe that the 2A shall not be infringed

[@bernard1799]

I'm from Massachusetts. I'm pretty liberal, but also pretty pro-2A. When John asked what your AR-15 is going to do against tanks and nukes, I immediately thought "has this guy never heard of an insurgency before?" If the government was indisciminately bombing civilians, they would lose a lot of support in the conflict. Also, how does this guy not know that cops have rifles in their patrol cars?!

[@jonosterman2878]

Also, as was mentioned, they ain’t gonna carpet bomb their own metros 😂that’s not how all that works.

[@GarryReyom]

Every gun control advocate starts off with “I own a gun too”, yet they want poor people to be defenseless

[@robertsmith2956]

and then show they know NOTHING about guns. You can outgun cops. So what, then they better not try and choke me to death.

[@GOTBADRAP1]

And yet they seem to believe that a 223 will do more damage to a human than a 300 Winchester Magnum.. This just proves their ignorance of firearms..

[@williamcash231]

“Have a black friend” lol

[@robertsmith2956]

@@williamcash231 My black friend has a white gun, while I have a black gun. We are equal. Although my grips caught that michael jackson disease and are turning white slowly.

[@klivityloja3067]

Or they have a .22

[@batmanstrike8287]

I think it's ridiculous that John keeps dodging every question. Props to Colion for being the only one who gave straight answers

[@yknowiknow5937]

Not just that, John's clueless, about the meaning, of the CONSTITUTION and he's a LIAR, his info is nonsense, wherever, it came from.🤔😒

[@debravictoria7452]

Seems like no matter what the question is, he just repeats his talking points. And, did he really, seriously quote the cdc?🤦‍♀️

[@spencerwarren9219]

Notice john isn't a politician. That's why he answered the real questions.

[@gdknght9581]

when you dodge questions... YOU ARE DODGEY !!!

[@grimfandango6137]

John is a typical Boston Liberal, and as I live in Boston, I have seen the huge billboard he has been responsible for for years, right facing the Mass Turnpike at Fenway Park. On this billboard he has posted every virtue-signalling leftist cause you can think of. The current anti-gun campaign is just the latest. He claims to be a "gun owner" He claims to be "a proud owner of a Daniel Defense 5.56 and thousands of rounds of ammunition". He claims to be a "hunter". I will bet my house to a jelly donut that this Boston liberal has never owned a gun in his life, probably never even touched one. He would be ostracized by his circle of Cambridge liberals if he did. This is merely a debating tactic and it does not fly by me.

[@Brad-ut1ro]

Gun control guy: “Why isn’t there a limit on hunting humans?” Me: There is a limit. Zero. That’s y murder is illegal. Smh

[@Ty-vn3cu]

Why do we openly give access to mentally unstable people though.... I.E. the latest school shooting....

[@VueiyVisarelli]

Right?! Totally detached from _reality,_ only using absurdities and trite talking points...and then also getting condescending.

[@jerryg.5923]

I have heard the anti-gun people say this before and it leaves me flabbergasted along with the statement like "What about those of us who got no 2nd Amendment, who is going to protect us?"

[@keithwilson9378]

lol but if they ban the guns the criminals will follow that law lol ya right its like they brained washed too common sense criminals do not follow laws

[@Ty-vn3cu]

@@keithwilson9378 It will surely make it harder for psycho 18 year olds to purchase rifles...

[@jesusvillanueva5437]

Colion Noir you definitely won that debate! Thank you for having our backs!

[@EsquireSCDGFDD]

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[@abrenwilliams6795]

I've been waiting for this debate with a so called professional on the subject. I am disappointed that the gentleman for gun control was completely uneducated on the subject. To be a so called hunter and to be completely unaware of one of the most popular rounds. .223 rem. And the actual type of damage it does. Using inflammatory trigger lines makes you appear uneducated on the subject. Thank you Colin. I love how you fight.

[@Void304]

"I support the Second Amendment, BUT..." They always, ALWAYS start their bullshit the same way.

[@Mr.Rogers91]

The other one that irritates me..... I'm a lifetime member of the NRA but..... anything after that sounds like gibberish.

[@n3r0wolfe]

everything said before the word 'but' doenst mean anything

[@DavidBrown-qh5cr]

"No offense...... BUT"

[@nathanhamberg6733]

or they talk about hunting or constantly saying that the AR-15 is a military weapon when people start with that there argument is done because they do not know what they are talking about

[@revike004]

How can YOU compare a civilian AR-15 to the Vegas shooting senerio? Talk, TALK .TALK. MAKES NO SENSE !

[@deebee4575]

“I’m pro 2nd amendment but” -conversation over.

[@ivankrylov6270]

Im not racist but...

[@xGuns0fHonorX1]

No the conversation shouldn’t be over. That mindset is why you have these problems. Do you see Colion ending the conversation when he does that? No! You may make a point that resonates with them after that conversation is long done and over with and just like now, more people may here it and be able to learn from it... Stop treating your individual values as higher than mighty when it is your responsibility to have that conversation even with the worst of them.

[@jimhoover7345]

@@xGuns0fHonorX1 I agree with you.

[@RaspingPompano2]

Agreed!!

[@very7962]

@@xGuns0fHonorX1 we have absolutely ZERO business to do with anti-2nd amendment traitors. The most they will ever get from us, is a laid out “MOLON LABEN” and that’s it.

[@DustinSilva]

This didnt age well...Just today, Smith & Wesson announced its plans to relocate their Massachusetts gun manufacturing facility to Tennessee, purely because Mass's gun laws are too strict.

[@slypperyfox]

What took them so long? Many gun manufacturers and accessories manufacturers (think MagPul) began moving to gun friendly states 5-10 years ago.

[@asphaltannihilator157]

Should have saved on moving costs and came up here to NH to join Ruger and Sig.

[@Devildogs1775]

SO DID GLOCKSTORE

[@Devildogs1775]

GLOCKSTORE LEFT CALIFORNIA TO TENNESSEE

[@moreforme74]

@@asphaltannihilator157 but it's colder up there.🥶

[@randallhackworth421]

Apparently I need to move, I’ve lived in 3 states, never bought a firearm without getting a background check. Didn’t even know it was possible.

[@waltergilstrap346]

Ppl have inherited them or bought from friends i wouldnt do that today the world is too crazy

[@iridium1118]

I'm reasonably certain it isn't legal to hunt humans with ANY size magazine.

[@MinnesotaCouchpotato]

When I heard him say it, I had to rewind the video a few times, I couldn't believe it. 12:15 if anyone is interested.

[@robn2666]

😭😭🤣🤣

[@cliffyknight]

Yeah, that was a dumb fucking thing for him to say. Equating hunting ducks with being a murderer of which you don't have to get a license for.

[@itsirish9582]

@@cliffyknight he pretends like any AR-15 owner is going down to the sheriff's office to apply for their murder license lmao what a moron

[@JanstonCordell]

It's a damn good thing then that Communists aren't human.

[@mik4209]

How about more people carrying. It works, it prevents more than it fails.

[@n3r0wolfe]

its funny, to me, since ive started open carrying i havent had a single person get in my face (when i lived in cali people got in my face for no reason all the time) an armed society is a polite society (btw i live in az now, again and finally)

[@mik4209]

@@n3r0wolfe wow that’s weird, I’d think Cali ppl would be laid back.

[@n3r0wolfe]

@@mik4209 it depends really.. all my friends are chill, most randos are chill.. but the road rage is so baaad, assholes are everywhere... they need more weed :D

[@mik4209]

@@n3r0wolfe no THC for the, put em on strict CBD to calm their asses down.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

@@mik4209 california is one of the most dangerous states to live in. In almost every way. Rampant mental health and homless people roming the streets with no legal recourse for their actions. I bought a legal A.K. in 2016 and the very next year i became a felon for owning it. So for gun owners its hell. I had a hand gun stolen from me out of my truck and was arrested for "not storing it properly" even tho it was to the t and thats why my case was dropped. The "normal" people here are so uneducated neo fascist liberals that they have voted their way to the point where it costs me $1,500 a year to register my truck with the dmv. The average californian pays $847 in state taxes a year. Dirt bikes are now illegal. You have the fear of being prosecuted for the most absurd things. But if someone literally robs you at gun point if they even get caught they will be out before you make it back home. Rad flag laws are used by the police here like its the only law they can use or enforce. I was speeding 10mph over and was pulled over. The cop said i was doing 90 in a 55 and was doing me a favor by marking it down to 85mph. I took it to trial, lost and had to pay $1,800. Why would your average californian be laid back when were being extorted by the state to the degree that we cannot leave.

[@spikedwk]

This guy has literally no idea what he's talking about. Him owning guns is a terrifying thing, he is the type of person who should not own any weapons since he refuses to educate himself on them.

[@BakersTaste]

If I'm at the range and an instructor says "ok now put the ammunition magazine in the handle" I'm revoking his NRA instructor badge 😂

[@bradcallahan3546]

but but... the government has nukes and so you can't use an AR-15 against it... therefore you don't need one!

[@kemohere]

You guys are crazy. He taught me so much. Im ditching .223 and using 30.06 from now on. Im gonna have so much more usable meat. These squirrels are gonna be delicious.

[@FilmFlam-8008]

He likely “owns” a gun in the same way most people have only the minimum $5 in a savings account. He has a gun, unloaded, locked, in a double safe that has never been opened.

[@FilmFlam-8008]

@@kemohere Cannons are legal. And don’t even need a background check. Use them instead. You can fire golf balls, beer cans, or bowling balls. For about $300-$700. Less than a Glock. And it saves time tenderizing squirrel meat.

[@flyfishigsi1188]

Hunted coyote, fox, bobcat, and hog here in Texas with my .223. .223 are used nation wide for hunting every day. And as a retired police officer of 20 years, I was NOT UNDERARMED. I carried a .45 ACP, an M4 and a Benelli Super 90. I had plenty of ammo/magazines for a gun fight. I don’t know what your officers are carrying in Massachusetts that makes them under gunned? 9mm with one mag? This guys facts are way off and his understanding of the second amendment/constitution is delusional.

[@lordreku]

I'm thirty minutes in and I don't think John has answered literally a single question asked. "How do you define an assault weapon?" Changes subject. "How would you enforce a universal background check?" Changes subject. "Do you really think a volunteer army would nuke its own citizens?" Changes subject.

[@alkatmsu]

I gave up halfway through for the same reason... only one side actually answers questions!

[@cypher1o1]

He spent the who time building a strawman and spiting slogans while bringing almost nothing of substance

[@smacksmacksmack]

I know, and no calls him out

[@melvinshannon4742]

Non that spoke to the topic

[@randallrogers6350]

The way liberals and leftists are. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

[@karlchristie1856]

John, who “hunts:” You’d eat a dear shot by a .223?!?!? Colion: Uh… yeah?… This right here says it all. Colion I’m sorry you were put through that cringe fest.

[@nickmeyring7888]

that was Hilarious

[@chris.3711]

Boy, should I tell him that I hunt with a .270 and .308?

[@brianpartlow5530]

He thinks that little 223 round explodes like a nuke because it's fired from a "military style" rifle.

[@sanangelo7926]

These people somehow think that the 223 is some sort of magical round they doesn’t follow the laws of physics and causes what ever it hits to disintegrate.

[@tinkhama1088]

Well he’s more than likely unable to place a good shoot and is probably use to tearing up a front shoulder or back strap. He is also the guy that probably doesn’t know how to ethically harvest a deer and then pays some one to process for him, just an opinion.

[@DeltaBravoOpr8r]

The FEMALE moderator just demolished John’s emotional arguments at the very end by calling him out.

[@Cjusmc28]

That was my favorite part of the whole thing! Perfect illustration of his inability to be reasonable.

[@TheCoolwhipped]

I was pleasantly surprised by the moderators, though the standard radio format ruined the flow.

[@southerninterloper4107]

Both of the moderators were surprisingly reasonable (perhaps even pro-2A). I expected this to turn into a "The View" style crap-fest but it didn't even come close.

[@turkey1337]

@@southerninterloper4107 Agree! The moderators were surprisingly reasonable and fair. I just didn't like the format of it though.

[@762x69]

John was childish and ugly there at the end having his arm twisted to say Colion doesn't want people hurt. Money and a nice neighborhood doesn't buy class. John is in short supply of such.

[@Imugi007]

Lemme get this straight. This guy works for an organization called "stop handgun violence," but thinks that "military style assault weapons" are the problem? What?

[@jonosterman2878]

I think what happened is that he isn’t capable of actual debate with someone who is trained in the art of arguments, and he fell back to shitty talking points that usually get him through media interviews.notice the long pauses before be starts attempting to answer some of the questions. He can’t do it. He pauses and then immediately jumps to his little talking points, again and again and again. It’s very frustrating to listen to

[@taylorsessions4143]

Colion: I win if I present a sound argument John: I win if I don't let him speak

[@jordanvalle6389]

He really did cut him off a good 30 times but good forbid if Colion had a point to add to his stuff.

[@salinora0]

sums up not just this debate. but the entire gun debate as a whole

[@jonosterman2878]

@@salinora0 because if you really look at their gun control suggestions closely you begin to realize that it’s all based on virtually nothing. There’s no foundation of logic and reason, just pure emotion. Even the universal background checks. It sounds reasonable on its face, until you present the registry argument and then it crumbles. John couldn’t even touch that one, and refused to answer how that would work without a registry. Because it CANT work without one. Gun control is basically the same as the big pharma approach: find a magic pill and sell it to everyone like they’re all dumb tards. You can’t solve a complex, vast problem with a cute little “cure all” method. It just doesn’t work that way. The root cause is not guns, and those measures would only work if the root cause were guns. There are several root causes here and I don’t think guns are part of that. They may be a cause but not at the root.

[@Knightmare239]

John talking about “what’s your AR15 gonna do over a sophisticated military?” That same military has been fighting men running around in scandals with their AKs for decades.

[@northwestgaming4049]

Oh that is good my friend. Hahahahahah

[@mustangstevegt]

Yep. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam ect. Not to mention the atomic weapon thing he's saying, would never happen because to military is going to detonate those on their own cities on their own soil.

[@ilovebutterstuff]

Then he implied that the government could just drop a nuke on the American public if it decided to. Yeah, we know exactly where you stand, Statist summabich.

[@williamadams8353]

John doesn't know how civil war happens right in your neighborhood and not on some distant battlefield? How people who have used what ever means it took to deprive people of their constitutional civil rights are not immune from the consequences of those actions? Public employees who ignored the desires of their constituents for years and actively strived to remove constitutional guarantees by pushing illegal and unconstitutional laws that did away with due process and assuming the accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Red flag laws and laws that make secret decisions that affect the free movement of a person by putting them on a no list without due process. All these groups who have this delusion that they know whats best for other people need a large lesson in minding their own business. That lesson starts with illegal unconstitutional laws being declared null and void, and the people who voted and passed those laws need to be sued for depriving US citizens of their constitutional rights under color of authority and conspiracy to commit treason. When you set about destroying the foundational legal bedrock of a country after having taken a sacred oath to uphold and defend that same constitutional law, then you are most certainly in need of a long time out to contemplate your betrayal of your fellow citizens. Breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth federal day spa and retreat sounds like a wonderful destination for these public employees who have forgotten who they work for.

[@MyFunnyVids888]

@@mustangstevegt yeah the whole nuclear weapon argument is asinine because any nuclear radiation would most likely be blown up north or south and affect other countries or the federal government not to mention carpet bombing and the likes dont work against non concentrated targets and mostly destroy infrastructure in this situation which lets be honest infrastructure in the us is already poor. We'd also have to take into account the amount of defectors in the federal military there would be and how many would be willing to nuke their own home or attack civilians

[@matthewbryant1276]

This was so predictable. Talking about his friends seeing their dead children is horrible debate point. It's horrific, but it doesn't change facts or statistics.

[@meanman6992]

Besides that, I’m moderately confident he doesn’t own the weapons he claimed to own, or ammo, which means if my suspicion is correct, he’s dishonest and just cares about pushing his agenda and is fine with lying to do so.

[@jamescordes8673]

@@meanman6992 he clearly has no idea the size of ammo and even used the word “clip”. He thinks a .223 bullet will just make people unrecognizable if they’re shot. He knows nothing of guns. I love the part he says “it makes it harder for law abiding” then stops himself cause clearly that’s what he wants.

[@6P3-MK4]

@@jamescordes8673 shotguns mame people way more than ANY other round could ever think of. I dont believe him when he says they had to identify victims by clothing at all with regards to 223/556. Another disingenuous issue. This ronsenthal fella is a flat out joke. I agree with you 100%

[@thefreemasonspodcast]

I’m from Connecticut, I bet that idiot didn’t know a single one of them

[@ZeyphodZeyphod]

@@meanman6992 Or that he was close buds with Antonin Scalia; and that he (Scalia) said the things he claimed he said to him.

[@rickludwig184]

So if i meet a guy at a gun show and he sells me a firearm -illegally-without a background check, that’s “the gun show loophole.” Does that mean if I meet a guy at a Walmart parking lot and buy his gun-without a check-then it’s the o’l “Walmart lot loophole?”

[@mudbucket1650]

"I support the 2nd Amendment" goes on to discuss how he would infringe upon it.

[@turkey1337]

That's the new tag line from Anti-2a. I figured if you support 2A, you wouldn't need to declare it. If you don't support 2a, you would need to say it to help disarm the other side.

[@TheOfficialJayP]

it's the same logic with "christians" who start out saying "i believe in God BUTTTTT" and then go on to describe a version of god in their mind who is okay with some sins 🙄

[@robertocortez8087]

Rosenthal is so full of it. He's contradicted himself, consistently interrupted, used emotional fallacies, hyperbole to make Colin look crazy and in some cases told out right lies. He is so disingenuous, and it's terrifying to think someone like that is able to influence self defence law

[@vitolapinta]

"guns for me, but not for thee". I loved how shocked he was about hunting with a .223

[@johnsmith-fy8jo]

I love all those hyperbole because some of them are correct.

[@kyoswkyosw1216]

@@vitolapinta as someone who has a living relative from Vietnam, where they introduced the .223 to the military to replace the 30cal M14, he always says the same thing when we ask about how he liked the m16. “We didn’t want to replace a .30 caliber with a .22, the bullets are smaller and lighter and we thought they would just bounce off branches and would pass though people without as much damage as a .30 when we’re TRYING to kill the people trying to kill us” And the fact we use .30cal rifles for hunting all the time and he’s surprised people hunt with the SMALLER and LESS DAMAGING bullet but says nothing about semi automatic higher caliber rifles..? I just don’t understand where he gets his information from, especially thinking 5.56mm is different than .223

[@mattjack3983]

@@vitolapinta this guy was a total clown. He barely even knows anything about firearms. The fact that he genuinely had no idea whatsoever that a .223 caliber round is a VERY COMMON round used by hunters really showcases his lack of knowledge and ignorance.

[@bechelerroseme6821]

The clown is never been a life and death situation. First of all CDC IS CORRUPT, THEY'RE KNOWN TO CORROBORATE with Criminal Fauci Bribed Patent Department to patent Fauci's coronavirus and CDC have not been totally honest about the pandemic. The system is corrupt and this guy Rosenthal is a clown.

[@youbecha64]

When John Rosenthal 'quoted' the 2nd amendment...he left out this pretty important part... " the right of the people" which had been determined as an individual right, not a collective right.

[@chuckcpass]

I just noticed that too.

[@Void304]

Yes. An INDIVIDUAL right. The people who wrote the Amendment had just finished fighting a war that came to blows because their enemy tried to DISARM THEM. Why would they word their own constitution to only provide the GOVERNMENT with arms?

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

How did no one but three people notice that!

[@edwatts9890]

@@krotchlickmeugh627: I would wager that a whole lot more than three people noticed.

[@LEP021085]

I’ve broken the 2nd amendment down so many times for people to understand it’s mind numbing.

[@Dumfancy]

The difference between guns and automobiles is that you do not have the right to drive an automobile. It's a privilege. You don't have to register and take courses yearly to have free speech. Nor do you have to pay a fee to refuse unlawful searches and seizures. They are rights, they are part of being a law-abiding American citizen.

[@Mr.Solomon0]

12:05 Damn, 23 years on this Earth. And I never realized it was legal to hunt humans with 30 round magazines. That's got to be the dumbest anti gun statement I've ever heard in my entire life.

[@onpoint2292]

That was one of many mask-off moments for John Rosenthal. He views the 2A as a privilege and wants to limit the gun-owning population as much as possible. He is too focused on tragic stories of people dying, and not considering the ramifications of limiting people's ability to defend themselves. The calls for more regulation after a mass shooting will never stop. The 2A community needs to stop ceding ground in an attempt to appease the emotions of grieving parents and victims. The more people have direct experience with guns and gun ownership, the less these BS emotional arguments work on people. The most effective solution is to encourage eligible citizens in our sphere of influence to own guns. Take them shooting with you. Educate them on Gun topics when it pops up in conversation. Take them hunting with you, if you're into that. Demystify the concept of normal, everyday people owning "assault weapons".

[@mattseifert8061]

I love how he says it with confidence too.. he says "where's the logic." I'm thinking, where's the logic with that statement.😂😂 I'm very surprised colion didn't call him out on that stupidity..

[@onpoint2292]

@@mattseifert8061 he would have been accused of "interrupting". You've got to pick your battles in timed debates. If you address every single point of disagreement, it quickly turns into a "nuh uh - yuh huh" type of exchange.

[@mattseifert8061]

@@onpoint2292 you're right. It would have been very satisfying though. That dude literally said when he hunts humans he's not limited at all.. but in his mind, the correlation of hunting humans is illegal, therefore no new law is going to prevent someone from doing something horrible, somehow didn't connect in his head.. I'm almost lost for words I can't even wrap my head around something that stupid.

[@RobinMasters-zx1uo]

@@mattseifert8061 it would be a distraction; like focussing on someone taking a pawn in chess rather than focusing on protecting the king. But great point on the appeal to logic.

[@ricecakes6688]

Most people see through John’s arguments, this is why people have purchased more firearms than ever before.

[@dustinperkins9886]

His mask slipped when he started to say he wanted his laws to apply somewhere else that he's never been

[@jasonkome9734]

What a joke this guy is. Talking out the side of his face.

[@manictiger]

It always puzzles me when minorities like "Rosenthal" align against their own interests. Maybe call me a warmonger, but I'd rather go out with guns blazing, than in some damn ext3rm1n4tion camp. Or did "Rosenthal" forget that part of history? Maybe he thinks the U.S. is immune to devolving into that kind of leadership. Maybe he's a fool.

[@enarandyr9122]

And more democrats than ever before? They lost this argument years ago.

[@ML-ks2lj]

He trys to hit heart strings and play the "knee jerker" and run off emotions. He is narcissistic and manipulative, just like 99 percent of the politicians out there.

[@PosativaVibezz]

John: "Should the public own tanks?" Colion: "You can buy tanks in America" John: "Should the public own tanks?" Colion: "You can own tanks in America" John: "You think it's okay to own a tank?" Me: Well shit, I never seen someone be a victim of homicide by a retired tank 😬

[@albertwells8393]

There is a place in Texas where you can drive AND shoot tanks.

[@michaelb2547]

I would have said yes, because as you so fervently brought up my government v that has tanks, b52 and nuclear bombs might try to come round me up like the nazis did to jews in Europe.

[@docbailey3265]

They can take my T-34 when they pry my cold dead body out of the tank.

[@raymondruiz5188]

In the 90s that guy went crazy in san Diego with a tank you can probably find the video

[@PH_INFO_101]

@@raymondruiz5188 nobody was killed or injured during this incident, except for Shawn Nelson who was driving the tank

[@3postle]

This by far is one of the most wanted most needed conversations around constitutional rights. He was 100% disingenuous in answering questions. He deflected so many responses to trigger an emotional response versus a logical response. They disguise themselves as 2A advocates but push agendas banning firearms.

[@Dacarolinakrown]

This man is literally in one of the smallest States in America and hes talking about how much their laws have affected gun deaths this is laughable

[@HazardousT1]

Being from MA myself I know he is lying or just ignorant to the actual reality of the statistics. In this podcast discussion the hosts even pull up actual statistics that he continues to ignore. MA isn't the "safest" state (commonwealth) in the union of the USA. Hell its far from it. Fall River, MA was in the top 5 of the worst cities across the USA at one point (can no longer find that article)

[@HeathenHammer80]

@@HazardousT1 I live in southern NH. We all know that Mass. is far from as safe as that guy makes it out to be. NH has zero restrictions on the type of rifle you can buy and is a constitutional carry state, yet we have almost no gun crime. That being the case, I would like Mr. Rosenthal to explain why guns are the reason for violent crime

[@jwedgest67]

Not trying to bust your bubble but Massachusetts by population is the 16th largest State in the country, not to mention our 3rd most wealthiest State so land size means nothing. But his words are still garbage!!

[@jasonwhitlock179]

@@HazardousT1 Fall River haha!! Try New Bedford they literally shot up a cops house and the chief covered it up..

[@HazardousT1]

@@jasonwhitlock179 that entire section of Bristol County is absolutely garbage. I only referenced Fall River because it was in a legit census/official top ten worst cities in the USA before every news outlet decided to make their own top 10 worst cities based on their own beliefs.

[@jeffro1643]

So, if the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to modern firearms, why does the 1st amendment apply to television and the internet? 🤔

[@wethepeople2933]

BeCaUsE a TeLeViSiOn CaN LaUnCh iNfOrMaTiOn FaStEr!!!!

[@jasonisfamous6544]

Cause they are private platforms?

[@Ellis1993]

@@jasonisfamous6544 any platform public and private must adhere to the constitution

[@ICantBelieveItsButters]

you have to be careful making that argument because the left is looking for any reason to tear down and rewrite the constitution because it is "old" and "dated". If the left can trip you into saying things like "why does the 1st apply to TV and internet?" and you are fueling their desire to change the 1st amendment also. Just like the left tripped the right into this whole "mental health" so they can backdoor your med records (Right to Privacy) "to see if you have a history of mental health issues" and then your right to due process of needing to actually commit a crime to be held accountable for doing one. Why did the left lean into Mental health so hard? because the right didn't have enough foresight to realize the play wasn't to advocate for better mental health services (nothing has been done to remove negative perspectives of mental heath issues, and getting mental health services hasn't been made easier.) In fact, its been harder to get help and IF you do get help, you are instantly looked at as a threat to society because you may "pop off". The biggest reason for the left not just attacking gun and decoying people onto mental health? it also throws people off of the trail of the real societal problems. Studies on studies have been conducted and researched to show that 2 parent houses with a father and mother are less likely to have anxious children, less likely to have children that get into crime, more likely to graduate, more likely to be kind etc etc etc. Society is doing its best to paint men as "toxic" yet numerous studies show and support that FATHERS are where their children learn EMPATHY... let that sink in. Removing fathers from homes has removed EMPATHY, has increased mental problems, increased crime, reduced educated children and the list goes on. Why decoy to mental health? Because it removes the lefts responsibility to fix the problem they created by attacking the nuclear family AND it lines the pockets of BIG PHARMA (and politicians) by pushing drugs... It also infringes on your right to speech, right to guns, right to privacy and right to due process. To many are focused on the little picture of "but keeping guns from mentally unstable will save lives" and not realize they are advocating for removal of natural rights.

[@kool4209]

@@Ellis1993 except for the govt.

[@Todd66]

He wants everyone to play by the rules, yet criminals do not play by the rules. Tyrannical Governments DO NOT PLAY BY THE RULES>

[@leedonovan8567]

That's right Todd!! And where ever it starts a "COMBATANT IS A COMBATANT"!! I'm spreading your words man!! Stay cool brother!!

[@kevinkalivoda3442]

Tyrannical governments do play by rules... The rules they make as they go to fit the actions they want to take. This is what makes them tryannical

[@patberry7711]

What I can’t understand is why John used the SandyHook school shooting incident in his example. I was and am still sickened by the shooting but he keeps alluding to this crime as a means to his reasoning. Fact of the matter is the SandyHook shooters Mother bought him the firearm knowing he was not of sound mind. That is the reason children died that day. We definitely have a gun violence problem in America but we’ve got a Much Much bigger parenting problem in America which in most cases is the root cause of a lot of our problems.

[@stephenmccaffrey199]

OMFG. The “it destroys meat” argument is ALWAYS made by someone who has no clue what a .223/5.56 round does.

[@Dr.pikachuu]

So does a slaughter house

[@peterlowell7963]

Timestamp?

[@KyberKommando]

@@peterlowell7963Starts at 20:47 Colion Noir destroy John's dumb AF argument.

[@r6dave807]

I absolutely agree!!! Somebody who was familiar with the .223/5.56 round or hunting in general, would know that there are much more powerful rounds used for hunting game than the .223. .308, 30-06, 12G slug, .44 Magnum, and so on and so on. This guy has no clue and his poorly constructed arguments make this crystal clear.

[@burtrandolph1745]

@@r6dave807 .44 Magnum is absolutely not more powerful than .223/5.56. Go shoot a .44 Mag and a 62 grain 5.56 out of a 18” AR barrel at some ballistic gel and tell me which one has a bigger/more dynamic wound channel.

[@jonnyjl345k7]

The ‘I’m not anti-gun, I have a gun at home’ excuse is the equivalent to ‘I’m not racist, I have a black friend’

[@MM3Soapgoblin]

I bet his gun, if he even really has one, is still in it's case locked away in closet somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one just for the talking point.

[@scottfrazier8105]

Well realistically he isn't anti-gun he's really just against we plebs having them. I guarantee that he and his elitists buddies feel like they are much more mature and responsible than all the people arguing against them gatekeeping our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is the kind of guy that refers to Jan 6th as "The Insurrection". So he is FAR worse than the Anti-Gun people who have been lied to so much by these gutter snakes that they are irrationally terrified of guns. They are just misguided but this SOB and all those like him are DANGEROUS.

[@scooty6410]

Lol...that's priceless lol

[@QueerArmorer]

It's straight up "I don't walk around carrying a gun I have the help carry them why don't you?"

[@jonnyjl345k7]

@@QueerArmorer…what?

[@joek8620]

I’ve never seen an LAPD officer without a service AR and a shotgun in their vehicle. And that’s California

[@LukeNineK]

I just came down to comment exactly this, about every cop care I see in LA has an AR in the front seat.

[@tybot1980]

I was thinking this the whole debate. The gun grabber kept saying police have 17 rounds and that’s it. They all have an AR in the trunk.

[@jennyromero9041]

Exactly. Just look up a video of police shootings and you will see most of them respond with rifles. Plus I wanna know all these states and gun shows that aren't doing background checks to buy a gun because I have never seen one.

[@mikkalbreeden956]

I didn’t see your comment and wrote that I used to keep an AR-15 in my patrol car.

[@Appalachia_Ape]

Yeah most Maryland counties are like that too. It's a useful tool, no reason they shouldn't keep a rifle on hand. As to rosembum's point, there is literally an entire subset of AR market known as "PATROL rifles/carbines".

[@donmaxwell1902]

I was at a gun show recently in Texas and saw people filling out paperwork for the background check so why does he keep saying no background checks for a rifle with large capacity magazines?

[@danielwharrison]

"John, can youdefine what an assault rifle is?" John- "hold on, let me stand on these dead childrens bodies because I don't know what an assault rifle is."

[@staticivi]

So the answer is… whatever he decides. Because there was no actual definition. We should ban a hammer… because you can literally make someone unidentifiable with that… or a rock… assault weapons…

[@danielwharrison]

@@staticivi more murders are committed with hammers/blunt objects every year than with AR-15s, so don't give them any ideas.

[@kylelloyd700]

@@staticivi 'aye, you got a permit for that brick, son?' smh...

[@myles3856]

@@kylelloyd700 yup

[@reggaetonjones1988]

The grandstanding is so bad with this guy.

[@deathmetalrudiments]

"Every single state, that has background check requirements, makes it a little harder for LAW ABIDING CITi...criminals" The most epic Freudian slip ever!

[@williamflowers9435]

Exactly. Gun control is not to make people safer. It’s to make the population more vulnerable and usher in more draconian laws and government dependence. Protect the criminals, for without them, the Democratic Party has no platform upon which to stand every 4 years in these cities where violence persists and, despite decades of Democratic leadership, no improvement has been made.

[@bigbroman5927]

Lol.. caught that too.

[@beargillium2369]

💯

[@outerspaceman7534]

What the time stamp?

[@deathmetalrudiments]

@@outerspaceman7534 26:46

[@SuperOpinion8ed]

I’m getting dumber listening to this guy. “223 destroys the meat”. “Private dealers don’t run checks.” He’s not even a good parrot of the lefts talking points.

[@nil981]

The fake left perhaps.

[@hole-sawbear1500]

Yeah I thought that private dealers part was pretty funny. Especially since Colion had *just* described how that was false. Private *individuals* don't have to run checks, but ANY licensed dealer does background checks.

[@hole-sawbear1500]

@Bob Watters I'd have to agree with you there. Colion often fails to see the tiny details like that. I personally stopped following him regularly when I heard him say in a video that "You should fear a Biden presidency" in my opinion, you shouldn't spread fear on your platform. It's really more of a problem with his rhetoric than position. Though I understand and mostly agree with where he's coming from, he doesn't seem to understand the nuances of how an argument effect the viewer and how much ground he actually gives to the opponent. Exit: All in all though, I still think Colion came out alright. I can't name a single time he used an emotionally based argument, which his opponent did multiple times.

[@Dustinjlarson]

A 223 is like the third lowest caliber to hunt deer with in mn…. Ruins the meat? Anyone seen what a 300 win mag does at 100 yards? These ‘experts’ are starting to sound pretty damn fishy. Even an .06 can make a hell of a mess….

[@Monscent]

If .223 destroys the meat then what do 30-06 do? 308? Or much larger calibers that are commonly used?

[@riverpirate1022]

"Shall not be infringed" is extremely straight forward. The words that come before that are irrelevant. Shall not be infringed means you cannot make any laws whatsoever to restrict the Citizens access to firearms, period. ALL LAWS on the books in EVERY place in the USA are unconstitutional and VOID. We DO NEED to own FULL military weapons, which are currently illegally denied to us and are VERY costly to obtain through VERY strict permitting and fee processes. Basically, only the rich with clean backgrounds can own automatic weapons, which is wrong and unlawful.

[@LastT0mat0]

"Could you define what an assault weapon is?" "No but here's an emotional story" 20:00

[@AliAlhussaini]

Capitalizing on people’s loss

[@patrickjr80]

Too bad it was pistols used in Sandy Hook, the Ar15 was found in his car.

[@fredbowles4721]

I have to admit the hosts were reasonable people. It was refreshing.

[@anordinarygunguy5955]

I agree. This is the first time I’ve seen unbiased moderators in YEARS.

[@sdr224]

I actually think they were a little too much on the side of Colion. It was pretty good overall tho.

[@triplesixphonk3502]

@@sdr224 well they are humans with functioning brains capable of hearing colions points and understanding them - also they had a bit of study done of who colion is and what he stands for, especially seeing how this debate unraveled and watching many unravel in the same manner before, it would be difficult for a sane person not to take his side.

[@TomFox1]

yea

[@sable428]

​@@triplesixphonk3502 The point of moderators are to be unbias but these moderators (at least the guy) showed some bias more towards Colion's side. That said, despite their bias, Rosenthal's arguments were super weak and more rooted in emotion -- where as Colion was more reasonable. But then again, i'm also bias toward Colion's side.

[@neviander]

"I own a rifle, I care about the 2nd amendment!" then proceeds to vomit out every baseless, leftist talking point designed to strip all firearms from civilians. What a shill. What I found surprising was how objective the hosts were. Love your stuff, Colion!

[@I_like_turtles_67]

" I own an AR style rifle... BUT I don't want people beneath me, to own an AR style rifle. " - Liberal elite mentality

[@darrenhersey9794]

John seems to have bought into the Liberal elite "truth" about guns. So sad

[@mikeycrabtree123]

I heavily lean left, the only thing keeping me from being full blown "leftist" is that I do not completely reject capitalism. I'm also just about as rabidly pro 2A as it gets. In fact one of the literal requirements to be leftist is to be rabidly pro 2A. Straight from the mouth of the OG leftist, "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." ~ Karl Marx It is not the "left" or even "liberals" who want to restrict 2A rights. Furthermore, in the world political spectrum Democrats are actually not left in any sense. They are actually more center right, whereas Republicans are varying shades of far right. In the U.S. there really is no large scale representation of true "left." Those who would restrict 2A rights are actually simply authoritarian.

[@MrCupis17]

I bet he hunts with a musket lol

[@matthewjones39]

@@mikeycrabtree123 I don’t know about you, but every liberal I have ever seen in my entire life has been anti 2a.

[@johndotter351]

To buy a gun legally everyone goes through a NCIS Background check from an F.F.L. Dealer!

[@RedWolfenstein]

Not for a private sale

[@prissylovejoy702]

What about the Gun show operator accusation?

[@prissylovejoy702]

They include domestic violence and gang shootings in those stats for “mass” shootings

[@barnardcs100]

Homie was not prepared for this debate, largely because the anti-gunners have an illogical stance to begin with.

[@industrialpunk]

Because the truth is they want all guns gone. And without admitting that, none of their logic holds up.

[@toonchistoopid2020]

There really is no debate. Colion hit the nail on the head with every point. Every gun debate the anti gun fruits use the exact same arguments.

[@Nick0856]

He 100% lives in a gated community

[@cut--]

He's using the same arguments from the early 90s !

[@canislatrans8285]

@@cut-- yep, and a bunch of borrowed quote bits from more recently, like Feinstein's ( I think was her) no mag capacity limit for hunting humans one, and the nukes comment.

[@boyden1620]

That guy gave me an aneurysm because half the time he wasn’t even answering the questions directed towards him. Amazing job Colion

[@yoellopez82]

And was talking in slow motion which is annoying. He probably thinks it makes him sound smart.

[@gutterfalcon2912]

And after Colion explained the term assault rifle , the other guy kept calling Semi's Assault Rifles. An Assault Rifle is : Select Fire , Full Auto Capable . And you CAN Hunt with them in Many States. ( SEMI's ) .

[@wisconsinite131]

Same way I felt.

[@tonycole9620]

John completely talked around most of Colin’s points. He had no answer for the national registry and for universal license.

[@mattjack3983]

@@gutterfalcon2912 yep..alot of people actually DO hunt with them. AR style rifles are actually fairly popular amongst hunters.

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

This moderator not letting John off the hook at the end was amazing.

[@shanevenhorst4304]

My favorite part in the whole debate was 27:05. She basically backed him into a corner.

[@j_w_d_s]

She asked him what he thought Colion would agree with and he literally says something that Colion clearly disagreed with.

[@mcorrive12]

The hardest part about watching this is the time limit. Every time John is debated into a corner, the topic of conversation is changed by him or the moderators. And it's not that the moderators weren't good, they were just too time limited to drill down into specific points. Great job to the moderators and Colion for doing this! We need more of these!

[@bradyhill2136]

The fact he tried to argue that cops don’t carry ar-15s is insane. Most of the cops in my area have one in their vehicle some even have a shotgun too.

[@riftwake178]

They often have select fire M4's too, which are arguably better, lighter, and more effective than AR-15's.

[@wyattguilliams9479]

I thought that was standard and the type was personal choice Hell what happened to SWAT???

[@isaacgaray3926]

Your completely correct my friend I’m a cop and I damn sure carry an AR everyday. And you should too 👍🇺🇸

[@bluezeroeight2307]

My dad carried one back in his duty days. I even got to shoot it, I can’t believe this was said

[@devonmarr9872]

Also the AR-15 is not used by the military. "I don't want to ban guns except for the ones I don't like."

[@LeviTimko]

Colion Noir deserves the biggest platform and microphone to spread his message. He's hyper effective at debunking half-baked superficial ideas all while being eloquent and respectful.

[@handsometall28]

Colion only makes sense for gun nuts, not educated and open-minded people.

[@Domericano223]

He was on joe Rogan lol

[@BrowncoatGofAZ]

I have nothing against the second amendment: I just want my son to be safe at school.

[@dr.mantistoboggan1897]

@@BrowncoatGofAZ we need to root out the bad apples in society. We know who they are, they stick out like sore thumbs. Its just a matter of how dedicated we are to investigate and prosecute.

[@itzcaleb1776]

I disagree he wasnt even able to put his arguement in the oven yet

[@8446823]

John: "wHeRe'S tHe LoGIc?" Then proceeds to use a pure emotional argument

[@hole-sawbear1500]

oh man, he does that throughout the debate. when he was asked to define an assault weapon he just started spouting off about dead kids.

[@zachdugan7320]

As George Orwell pointed out, we can observe a push for all words to be dumbed-down to mean little more than being synonyms for "good" and "bad". The man clearly doesn't even know what logic is, let alone understand it to the point he can construct an argument from it.

[@mrrobott9202]

Dud talks ab 556 and 223 like it's a 50cal lol " and do u eat the meat " like there's nothing left after shooting it with a 223 lol literally leaves the smallest hole some animals you shoot with it you can't even tell where the impact is at lol

[@anthonycavalea]

All he does is bring in emotions.

[@ka0skontrol504]

@@mrrobott9202 I use it for hog hunting and I have to use AP rounds just to get through the hide for a clean kill shot 🤣 Also, he's so worried about the AR-15 that he doesn't even think about the AR-10 which can be built out in 308 or 6.5. Those will do more damage. Apparently, he failed math class and physics 🤭

[@mikeperez2623]

Off of his logic, California and New York, should have the least amount of crime throughout the whole world but yet California, New York, have the highest crime rating. How does the universal background check, 10 day waiting period, 10 round Magazine capacity, and all these features you have to have on AR 15 to own one prevent crime?

[@handsometall28]

Because guns come from neighboring states with loose gun laws; if you ban guns nationally and go after ALL guns you see gun violence drop; probably would take a decade or so though.

[@AdeptusOfficial]

It’s sad that a lot of people wouldn’t be able to recognize how much of an ASS John Rosenthal just made of himself. A valiant effort on Colion’s part.

[@97F1504RAD]

Moron comes to mind

[@cobes11]

You can buy a gun from a homeless person in a sec. Does John not know that?

[@TzUuup]

This guy straight did the matrix to dodge all those questions

[@phoenixaries3147]

@@TzUuup when they asked him to define an 'assault weapon', and he just starts going off with "wHeN mY FrIEndS HaD t0 PicK tHrOUgH tHeiR DeAd ChIDreNS ClOthES t0 IdENtiFy tHe B0dY" That took the damn cake. Nothing tells people how devoid of a valid argument you are like standing on the graves of dead children and using their corpse as a shield from criticism.

[@juliangarza6274]

This john guy literally repeated himself the whole time, had nothing to say but repeats. Good job colion!

[@JeffBrown-ib6wl]

Lol i just commented the same thing.

[@Ioo-nd6hf]

Because it's not a debate, it's pilpul. (& not from Colion)

[@JazzyJeff1988]

Exactly

[@KernelHappy]

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed that Colion let him off the hook regarding the definition of an assault weapon. John started answering the question by throwing his smoke first, then Colion allowed him to change the subject to 9mm then background checks without ever answering or exposing the hypocrisy in John's position.

[@mishimposble]

Rosenthal's argument is full of lies in his first paragraph. His talking points are so wrong and full of misinformation I can barely listen to him when he speaks.

[@obywan7901]

He most likely doesn’t have guns

[@Lurch685]

And you’re right about paragraph. He goes on and on and on and on then raises his voice as soon as Colion tried to get a point in.

[@Hartman3092]

@@obywan7901 He probably owns a single .22 so he can pull the old "hello fellow gun owners"

[@A.Navarre]

Where does he buy firearms because I’ve always had to have a background check when purchasing a firearm.

[@thisismychannel607]

That "im a proud gun owner" line doesnt impress or fool anyone and at this point, it feels extremely dishonest because we know confiscation is their endgame

[@robertsutton3001]

Yeah they want democrats to have arms not us

[@williamkillingsworth2619]

I bet his stuff is covered in corrosion and cobwebs.

[@jrromo6993]

If he's a such "proud gun owner" why is he advocating to ban guns for law abiding Americans while owning the very same guns he supports banning? This guy is very hypocritical and full of it. Another case of rules apply to thee but not for me.

[@Josh_D03]

He should lead by example and hand his in first

[@majesticmajestic7058]

@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM While him and the dog watches 😂

[@jamesdendy6384]

John: I don't want to ban guns, just assault weapons. Colion: Define assault weapons. John: *provides zero definition, inputs narrative about bullet holes* John: *inherently implies that a weapon that puts holes in people is an assault weapon* Reasonable people: John just said he wants to ban all guns...

[@cfrost87]

Someone I know actually just told me that all firearms are assault weapons, just by the nature of what they are. Firearms are a tool meant to kill, whether for hunting or self defense or war, etc.

[@j_w_d_s]

@@cfrost87 firearms are tools meant for killing. Certain guns have different purposes better suited for them such as long range shooting or duck hunting.

[@XM1679]

I think it was one of tho hosts who asked john that question

[@Cruz474]

As they all do.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

Funny how he said 223 is made to kill people, wait until he finds out...

[@goofygal27]

Rosenthal is in WAAYYY over his head.... Gotta love his dumb arguments. Gotta love Colion calling him on his BS .

[@canislatrans8285]

They are the same old debate points and emotionally driven statements. Parroting various politicians and other anti gun "experts". Well, he looks like a Boomer, so...

[@UDK247]

I loved he chuckled at him lol

[@nathankleber9150]

He doesn't want to be interrupted but has no problem interrupting colion when he's destroying the argument presented for gun regulations.

[@dantewynder2002]

When Colion said John was “intellectually inconsistent.” That summed up the whole debate. ThAt was literally the most respectful disrespect I’ve witnessed to date.

[@ka0skontrol504]

I just have one thing that I would like to say to John's face: "What's wrong with your incipient predilections for irrelevancy?"

[@DarnThatDragon]

That's the Canadian way of calling someone stupid.

[@adventurewithfatheadpops8830]

None of these debates are worth a hill of beans.

[@DebtFreeDad]

Counselor, you are on point. Gun violence is most often not committed by lawful carriers. All the gun laws, yet gun violence increases. Criminals dont care about gun laws.

[@n3r0wolfe]

first time i read this, i missed the"not" ... jast saying, thats a bad way to convey your point .. but i do agree with it

[@DebtFreeDad]

@@n3r0wolfe lol well I should have used two commas to separate most often, but otherwise its grammatically correct. Lol. Hopefully, you live in a real state and aren't behind enemy lines where pistol grips are bad.

[@n3r0wolfe]

@@DebtFreeDad az here.. kinda a toss up right now.. usually red, but blue now with a weird sinima

[@DebtFreeDad]

@@n3r0wolfe facts nro, I'm in DC. I purchased two pistols 8 weeks ago still ain't get them yet. 🤣😂 I got my rifles when I went to SC so that was easy, I told wifey we gotta move. Ish crazy.

[@justjackfromsc]

@@DebtFreeDad I love living in SC. Tends to be more about personal freedom here. Hopefully it will stay this way.

[@NavyVet4955]

This John guy has provided possibly the worst “facts” for his argument.

[@Pfletch83]

That John guy has absolutely 0 facts for his argument.

[@austindecker7643]

And this guy describes 223/556 wounds to the kids as if they were shot by a 20millimeter oh they had to go look at their clothes because that was all that was left

[@IAmImpacto]

He also name drops all the time as if by knowing someone like Dick Heller makes his arguements more valid. Also he mostly presents feelings and not facts.

[@TomFox1]

Yup!

[@kalebpiper8107]

@@IAmImpacto I also doubt very much that he's met the people he claims to have met, and then on top of that had conversations where they said the things he claims they said.

[@flaboysventures2697]

You won that debate sir…!Florida carrier for 30 yrs.. never needed it but got it all!!

[@ac4524]

He said “every single states that has a background check makes it a little harder for criminals to have guns and that brings crime down”. That is a lie. The most gun strict states have the most gun violence in the country

[@peachdaddy]

That's because criminals know your more limited and a easier target.

[@hhasslinger9601]

@@peachdaddy Exactly, so that even is more evidence that there shouldn't be strick gun control like in those states.

[@vyger6336]

Detroit, New York City have very strict gun laws. Somebdy should let the criminals know because there are plenty of shootings.

[@WarmongerYT]

Yes just look at Chicago!

[@JGD714]

Plus background checks are federal requirement for licensed dealers, so that's a moot argument in the first place.

[@mattmartin2288]

The way Colion articulates himself against these radicals is just spot on!! Keep up the good fight Colion, your doing amazing!!

[@tinkhama1088]

Yes I agree Intelligence is not a threat however ignorance is.

[@peacefuljeffrey]

His replies routinely disappoint me. They aren’t forceful enough, and there are always better points and rebuttals that could be made that I’m sitting here yelling at my phone for him to make, in vain.

[@joshuasmith4484]

Yes sir! Thank God for this man

[@joshuasmith4484]

People like this John guy .... SMH. Toolbag

[@brittanymark9213]

The moment this guy began attempting to belittle Noir, he showed himself to be a intellectually dishonest debater. Period. My only wish is that Colion would have been allowed to call out John’s diversions tactics every time he tried them.

[@kalebpiper8107]

It sounded like he was trying to but his audio kept getting cut when he did.

[@brittanymark9213]

@@kalebpiper8107 yeah, I heard him trying to talk in the background. They also kept going to a “break” when Colion was making good points…. “So our government would nuke its people”…. “Time for a break”. 🙄

[@Synergy7Studios]

I don't think he needed to, the hosts seemed to shut him down every time he acted that way.

[@davidc3943]

They kept cutting him off everytime he was making a rebuttal. That’s bs! Wont allow a person to speak their behalf.

[@kevinoconnor2406]

Idk man Colion clearly had some back up!

[@IAmNotAHorse]

When John quoted the second amendment, he didn’t say the whole thing. He conveniently left out “the people”

[@zacharybryant3865]

Im not gonna lie… the moderators surprised me. Their willingness to address everything so directly and ensure each participant had to answer. And the fact Rosenthal got dismantled a lot by having to address the hard questions which I’m sure he is unaccustomed to answering.

[@zacharybryant3865]

So… I just got to the “cops don’t carry AR-15s” part. Literally every department in my area has an AR-15 in the cruiser with the officer. It’s in a locked gun rack that can be unlocked via one button press. Try again.

[@warrenginn8448]

@@zacharybryant3865 yep. Wait till you get to the idiocy of the .223 round obliterating deer to make them unharvestable.

[@robertdouth8979]

@@zacharybryant3865 Not only that but my buddy who had his service AR-15 also has one that he's put thousand into which is used for competitive shooting, because aside from being just a cop and swat team member at the time, he was also very interested in competitive shooting as well. I'm not even a great shot, and I went to the range with him and hit a chestplate target 2 out of 3 times prone from 150 yards with ease. I was shocked with the ease of use and lack of recoil especially being told how these are scary weapons of war. My only shooting experience has been shotgun hunting doves with my dad years ago and some albeit limited handgun practice and range work. But even with that limited amount of experience it makes it easy to see how ridiculous many of the gun rights arguments are on their face. They really rely mainly on emotional appeals to people who have never fired a handgun or rifle.

[@TheCoolwhipped]

@@warrenginn8448 if I was there, I would have said "you realize that .223 is illegal to hunt deer with in some states because they believe it doesn't do ENOUGH damage, right? It was designed for predator hunting, like foxes and coyotes." Then I would have proceeded to ask him what caliber he hunts with and then said "it does less tissue damage than that"

[@warrenginn8448]

@@TheCoolwhipped indeed. John is a typical anti gun leftist. He knows nothing about guns or hunting or ballistics or physics for that matter. But claims to have the motal.high ground so hes always right. Hes an ass 🤡

[@miker4380]

Mr Rosenthal is about as “Fudd” as it gets. Not to mention, most of his points are absurd.

[@molinaribp]

The guy from “Stop handgun violence” sure did spend a lot of time worrying about AR15s. I’m struggling to remember him talking about handgun violence at all. Good job Colion as usual, your arguments are sane, rational and consistent, bonus points for calling out his fear mongering bs.

[@ericamaral8101]

I’m from Mass & he is full of 💩 THANK GOD I HAVE HAD MY LTC ( license to carry) Class A large capacity!! Which is extremely hard to get ( for 22 yrs) mainly because my Dad owned 6 Mobil gas stations & then I got into security!! We actually have to write a letter to the City’s Chief of Police why we want a class A which is the concealed carry Lic, The B is for Target & Hunting & Cannot carry SMH

[@lcrowe2011]

He also has 100% incorrect understanding of firearms. How can you advocate for legislation about something you understand so poorly?

[@studentdrake]

@@lcrowe2011 to be fair most of the anti LGBT legislation is due to ignorance. So it's par for the course.

[@jupitercyclops6521]

I can't hardy sit through this. The anti 2nd guy just talks and talks without letting the other guy speak.

[@jupitercyclops6521]

The anti 2nd guy talks & talks contradicting himself. His definition of an assault riffle is just emotional blubbering and no one calls him on his sh^t. The pro 2nd guy isn't doing a good job at all . Make the anti 2nd amendment guy answer & don't move on until he does. The anti 2nd guys getting away with nonsense

[@marcwilson2]

Colion answers the arguments made by John. But John gives disjointed responses...and even those are false. John also relies on stats that are verifiably wrong and doesn't bother to retract those.

[@ocspecialist]

John exposed his ignorance in the subject the second he said “10 round clip”

[@bobbyraejohnson]

Right haha

[@Draghostvision]

The police who "have 13 to 17 rounds" comment did it for me.

[@Bigtruthproductions]

Yeah - and the fact he said cops don’t use AR-15’s. That’s funny, cause where I live in Arizona, I was talking to a beat cop one night on the sidewalk about AR’s and he was telling me about his department issued Daniel Defense rifle in the trunk of his cruiser. So yeah, in Arizona most cops have AR’s in their cruisers. This guy is a clown.

[@moiphy.]

@@Bigtruthproductions most have issued ARs or they carry their personal rifles. John spent the whole "debate" being intellectually dishonest and inconsistent.

[@thundertoker]

When he argued that a .223 is to destructive for an American citizen , at that moment there was no point in continuing the debate, this guy obviously has no education in firearms. 🤦‍♂️

[@inertiallychallenged]

This Rosenthal guy is delusional and/or ignorant on this topic.

[@warrenharrison9490]

It's the dunning - Krueger effect.

[@nottaexpert2690]

He is neither delusional nor ignorant. He is lying. He says police don't use AR15s. They are not just used by SWAT teams. Massachusetts Municipal Police Training manual covers police training for "patrol rifles", which are typically AR15s. That's his home state. They are used by DC police. They are used all over the US. In California, most departments around where I live have them on their motorcycles. Those officers are supposed to be enforcing traffic laws, but even they have AR15s. He says the Heller decision only covers black powder. Black powder pistols like those that existed in 1791 are not firearms under federal law, so the court would have upheld the DC law if the 2A only applied to black powder. If "weapons that are in common use at the time" meant at the time of writing of the 2A, it would have said "weapons that WERE in common use at the time." The decision wasn't even the slight bit ambiguous on this topic. He then says Heller says laws banning "military style assault rifles and AR15s" are constitutional. It does not. It says that the decision is not intended to cast doubt on long standing laws like prohibitions on machine guns (among other laws). He knows full well that AR15s sold to civilians are not machine guns. He blatantly lied about what the decision actually said to try to fit his idea of what should be prohibited. Also, the footnote for that entry specifically says those examples are presumably constitutional. What does that mean? It means that until the courts rule definitively on the subject, those laws should be considered constitutional. After all, we are presumed innocent when arrested. That means you are not guilty until a court says you are guilty. I was surprised Colion did not call him out on these blatant lies. I was glad when the host finally did point out he was wrong about the black powder claim.

[@jasonj4865]

The rates... this dude is mental. He's arguing against black market sales. Criminals don't give a shit about laws.

[@jasonj4865]

@Unconventional Warfare correct. 10 US Code 246. The unorganized militia should have the same arms as the organized militia

[@BlackOmegaWorks]

John is basically an NPC reading his programmed script. He kept saying "when I hunt" when every educated person knows 2A isn't about hunting.

[@drillsgtdad9371]

Exactly

[@TM_Stone]

John is a batch file. He double clicks on himself because he doesn't have a brain.

[@honkbeforeitstoolate587]

Negative. Juice program NPCs. These are the creators, unfortunately.

[@FSstudios1]

35:22 I am a Patrol Deputy for a Sheriffs Department and have an M-4 and AR-10 with me every day. This argument shows how disconnected people like John are.

[@n3r0wolfe]

"the right of the people" "shall not be infringed" no argument needed

[@n3r0wolfe]

all gun laws are unconstitutional.. including the "laws" i actually like

[@kevinashley478]

When John said "you would eat that meat after it received a .223 round?", that was clear evidence that he does not hunt and he has no idea what the hell he is talking about.

[@boogerwelder]

I'll take a deer shot with a .223 over a .300 WinMag any day. This Rosenthal idiot has no clue what a high power rifle is.

[@mikelatta209]

No my .300win mag🤣

[@TateAnakov]

They don't know anything about guns. For someone who hunts he doesn't have any knowledge about the topic. Consistent with most anti gunners.

[@kevinashley478]

@@TateAnakov true...my favorite is when they something like, and I heard this from a "journalist" on a news report : "there is no need for a fully semi automatic". Yeah. They actually said that. That's like advertising a bottle of water as "dehydrated water".

[@TateAnakov]

@@kevinashley478 had a conversation with a coworker and i told him to carry a firearm to protect himself because he's scared he'll be targeted because he's gay. He told me that he'd rather die than kill someone. Well damn man..I didn't know where to go from there. He doesn't want to die but doesn't want the means to protect himself.

[@As_A________Commenter]

Colion’s ability to articulate his points and cut through tired talking points and ad hominem assertions is so refreshing. He’s a very impressive young man.

[@alphazuluz]

What are you talking about?!?’ I’m INCREDIBLY pro-gun, and like Colion, but he got his ass handed to him in this debate. Edit: at least in the first half. I should have waited until the end because he’s doing better. I’m halfway through and Colion is failing.

[@762x69]

@@alphazuluz dude John was so off point, topic changing and dodging questions. I don't even think Colion needed to be present to win the debate. Are you high??

[@alphazuluz]

@@762x69 no I’m not. John would make 5-6 points, that were lies and BS, but colion would come back and debunk only ONE! Colion could have easily gone point by point destroying each of those points, but I guess he forgot them or something. It happened multiple times. Go look at 11:00-13:00 again. You’re telling me a person on the fence that knows little about guns isn’t going to be swayed by hearing John make six arguments and Colion only refute one? I always want Colion to win, but he does a bad job in these debates. Ok, he doesn’t do a BAD job, but he does an average job. He could be so much better.

[@762x69]

@@alphazuluz dude if you're so invested, Get your butt in there and do that work. No need to be a keyboard bandit. I look forward to seeing your videos debating and doing better 👍🏽

[@alphazuluz]

@@762x69 what a BS argument. HE, Colion, is our voice. It would take me YEARS to get the platform he has. It’s ok to expect him to do better. Is it not fair to criticize him? I think my critiques are incredibly fair. I think he was being lazy and let the gun community down. Here’s the best example I can give you, and it should be something that we can BOTH agree with. Colion knew who he was debating. This guy has a record and hours of video out there. Why didn’t Colion watch some of his videos and see what he normally argued? You know how I know Colion didn’t do that? Because had he done just 30 minutes of research to prepare, he would have seen that this guy is from MA, and he would have looked up the gun violence stats in MA. Then, when John brought out this absolute LIE that MA has lower gun death stats than all the pro-gun states, Colion could have easily and quickly said, “John, what you just said was at best misleading, and at worst a lie. You have FAR more gun crime in MA than the states you listed, it’s just centralized in Boston. You’re using the state as a whole to lower your stats” or something to that effect. But instead, Colion never even offered a retort to his BS stats. So, anyone new to guns that hears this is going to think, “this Colion guy has some interesting arguments, but John said that his plan has seriously reduced gun deaths, and that’s the most important thing. So, I guess he’s right here.” It is 100% fair to criticize someone that is out there speaking for us. If we don’t criticize them for lazy performances, then they will just continue to have lazy performances. I stand by my assertion that Colion should have already known every argument this guy was going to bring to the table, he should have had all the Massachusetts stats in front of him, and he should have had a pen and paper to write down every point this guy made so he could refute every one. Instead, Colion never even addresses most of John’s points. Colion DID refute every point that he addressed, but he left many on the table unaddressed, and I would argue the points Colion engaged with were the less important issues to someone just getting into guns. For instance, In my opinion, Colion spent most of his time arguing two points: that the second amendment is about securing the right of the people to have arms to prevent tyranny, and pushing back on universal background checks/a registry. While those are worthy points, they are more esoteric points that don’t really become part of your ideals until you’re pretty deep in the gun world. The people just getting into guns think that universal background checks are a no-brainer, and that it’s absurd to even think of fighting the government. The issues that really matter to new gun owners, or people on the fence are: do guns make my area safer or not, should we ban AR-15s, does anyone need an AR-15, how do we stop gun violence. And those issues were the exact ones that Colion failed to address when John brought them up. Look, you can idolize Colion if you want, and think he’s above criticism, but I’m not going to. If he fails, I’m gonna tell him.

[@Semaj-w5o]

It’s sad that all he wants talk about is laws for people who do the right things and no one ever talks about the criminals who buys the guns from other criminals so all the background checks and new laws and rules will never ever matter to the criminals and those are the ones who are doing most of the killing with the guns if it’s a A.R. 15 or handgun they got it illegally.

[@rperry70]

As soon as someone brings hunting into a gun rights debate, it is impossible to take them seriously. Hunting has nothing to do with gun rights.

[@jamesbowling9293]

" ...and you eat that meat? After it's received a .223 round? After it's been destroyed?" xD dudes a total fuckwit

[@richwilson7619]

@@jamesbowling9293 So you don't know what you are talking about either. Thanks for showing who you are.

[@nhwynter]

@@richwilson7619 - he was quoting Rosenthal. You need to pay better attention.

[@treyriggs2217]

@@richwilson7619 the fact you can't even comprehend the fact that he quoted the guy in this debate shows who you are.

[@richwilson7619]

@@treyriggs2217 So who am I? That is exactly why you don't say things that are confusing or that can be used to confuse.

[@victuff9765]

When someone's opinion is forced upon you it's not an opinion, it's oppression! Colion is sensible, measured, and logical... The gun control people are driven by emotion, and lack of facts... Don't end up like Australia, the UK, and the way Canada is going! Keep your rights👍

[@artistjuliadocherty]

I’m Canadian… This is COMPLETELY seconded by me.

[@nightowlme]

Most leftist are. This is how they get their way. As most people when emotional, they are dumb. This tactic has been effective for centuries. Unfortunately people never seem to learn from history.

[@gusangulo3992]

@@handsometall28 and how many stabbings, maulings, acid attacks etc ?

[@johnbradley2879]

@@handsometall28 how many of those countries have a direct land border with a drug cartel run country?

[@andrewgonzales4786]

@@handsometall28 ok let’s look at the population first buddy. How many criminals are in your country? Are you bordering a cartel infested country like Mexico? Is your country full of gangs? We face more dangers here and need rights to protect ourselves because criminals don’t follow the rules. Then we have government control issues, and I just enjoy marksmanship in general it’s my number one hobby. God forbid your life is ever at risk but if it ever is threatened your gonna wish you had a gun trust me.

[@sawyer4981]

"When you hunt humans" - this clown is literally assuming every gun owner is a mass murder out looking to slay everyone in their neighborhood, when in fact it's quite the opposite.

[@billenglish2804]

He claimed large capacity magazines were "legal" for hunting humans. Nothing about hunting humans is legal.

[@chrislosee4152]

@@billenglish2804 Nothing is legal for hunting humans! 20 rounds are illegal to hunt humans with, one round is illegal to hunt humans with!

[@MrAgentEcho]

He got his talking points right out of the mouth of Dianne Feinstein during a 2013 meeting. "We have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet, it’s legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines." She also claimed that it's legal to hunt humans.

[@brkbtjunkie]

Typical leftist troupes out of that guy

[@kittengaming2746]

Haven't seen human tags yet when I go hunting hmm..

[@wr3nche5]

the main problem i see here is this: anti-gunners are basically always ignoring the idea of tackling mental health and/or poverty problems INSTEAD of the guns themselves. they turn a deaf ear to it. being a person that suffers from depressive episodes, it's sickening that they don't seem to care about improving their citizens' psychological well-being. because over 60% of gun deaths are self-unalives (and "mass shootings" are almost always related to mental health or poverty), if they just put their time and resources into improving mental health and living conditions across the country, which NO ONE would be against btw, they'd be achieving the same goal that they say they want to; reducing the amount of gun-related deaths, but WITHOUT restricting/taking away these tools we have a right to own, and also helping the general population as a whole

[@wr3nche5]

@@handsometall28 unfortunately true. they could still spread awareness of it instead of going after our firearms, though. i feel like that would be a better use of their time, cuz, like i said, no one is going to fight against it edit: also, i forgot, but the main reason why i was upset over it is because they act like guns are the real problem, when it's actually the underlying health issues that cause these people to use guns in these ways. THAT was what i meant, i forgot

[@theimpaler2317]

This guy keeps saying cops don’t carry “military style weapons”. Actually I believe most cops carry an AR15 or an M4 as a backup in their cruiser!

[@mattipps]

And a shotgun for good measure.

[@theimpaler2317]

@@mattipps yes I’ve seen them have a shotgun too!

[@fbi10]

Not even just cruisers. Police motorcycle units carry one as well

[@asszudemi3650]

As they should! We All know what happens if they dont have any look up "North Hollywood Shootout"

[@kasper7574]

@@theimpaler2317 GTA San Andreas (i know its a videogame and an old one at that,but it proves a point) if you were to enter a cop car, you would obtain a shotgun. It's been common knowledge that police carry extra firepower in their cruiser for quite some time, so much so that even videogames have replicated it.

[@TheMoodyLoners]

There's no doubt that guy will never again agree to debate a 2A advocate who knows what he's talking about.

[@mrbm9222]

Don't underestimate stupid people. He came away strutting thinking that he convinced every listener that he a genius.

[@SWZ32TT]

To be honest... most people who debate on the side of 2a are actually way better informed than those on the anti-2a side. Not just because they support guns... but they can actually form arguments on the fly backed by facts with proper terminology. The other side regurgitates talking points with poor or flat out false information and an inability to understand the terminology they use.

[@chedderburg]

The way I came to a pro 2A argument was when I had kids 2 years ago during the “pandemic” It was immediately clear my job is to keep them safe and it won’t take much disruption for the police to focus on protecting their own families as they should. So, I must protect them, and with my neighbors and our community we can keep eachother safe. And boom, you get to we need to be able to have guns and be able to form groups to protect our families. We always have and always will. We have far too much faith in our government.

[@stewiegriffin88]

​@chedderburg 100% spot on. Even if our government was the best government ever and we had zero issue with our government, police RESPOND to crimes, not prevent crimes. If something happens, you're on your own. Nobody is coming to save you, not cops, not military, not neighbors, nobody.

[@commonsenseisdeadin2024]

Is there ANY 2A advocates that DON’T know what they are talking about?

[@captain_dn]

The ending is one of the easiest parts to see just how bad faith John is when coming to this conversation. He didn't want to find common ground, he doesn't want to find a solution, he's far more concerned with insulting his opponent, and attempting to invalidate their arguments. (Unsuccessfully I might add) As someone who is absolutely horrendous at defending my own positions against fairly simple tactics, such as straw-mans, and feelings-over-logic arguments, due to my poor communications skills in-person, I really love watching/listening to debates like this with people who are so much more fluent with their speech. It makes me feel understood. Thank you Colion!

[@GoToPhx]

I know how you feel! I can WRITE my arguments, but trying to speak them is a totally different thing.

[@panemon187]

He's Jewish, they are all like this. 95% of them vote hard left, and the majority of them lobby for gun control.

[@trevorstockton2516]

I feel you bro. Keep your passion and one day you’ll find your voice.

[@jms_wttrs9228]

Colion provided educational information to make a rational decision - it's known as debate to educate - - - not to win. I thought Colion explained the 2A very well - the purpose behind it. Not that the US military would carpet bomb or whatever - but they will eventually come door to door along with the police. And the people need to be armed with the same type of weapons.. not crew-served, but individual weapons (which are the AR-15's and pistols). Regardless of the lack of knowledge Rosenthal has, or cares to obtain from this debate, or any other for that matter - he has no argument for the sole purpose of the 2A and how each little chipping away (infringement) of rights of the people. They politicians forget, the 14A gives equal treatment - if their security can have AR-15's and other types of weapons, then the people can too. If LEOs can purchase certain items, then so can the people - - 14th Amendment covers a lot for equal rights. There was a purpose of the "defund the police" and there was a purpose of changing standards in the military - both tossing morals out the window. There are very few who are being recruited, so they've lowered standards according to the DEI framework.

[@damienmckenna6954]

That was a rough conversation because the audio system favored John's line, any time you tried to interject his audio overrode you. Besides that, you did an excellent job defending your side. Thank you.