Neanderthals Make Young Earth Creationism IMPOSSIBLE

[@emhoj97]

Calling neanderthals "homo stupidus" is such a sibling thing to do 😂

[@francesconicoletti2547]

Can we rename homo sapiens to stupidus, at least until some evidence of sapiens is unearthed.

[@joefization]

That's hilarious!😂

[@MWhaleK]

They are just jealous of Neanderthals having a bigger brain.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

I can attest to the ability of my "homo stupidus" sister being able to use a length of Hot Wheels track as a weapon! 😢

[@Ringerofthelie]

But they werent stupid

[@pointlesspos8440]

I know it's not channel specific but the easiest one to get is: Hawaii makes young earth impossble. You can't have the Hawaii islands if you have a young earth. We see them form in real life, and we can easily see how it's required that they took a long time. They have historical layers we can relate to current day layers, and we can see how each island has been formed in order, over time. Each of the smaller ones have degraded. It's the easiest way to show that there is no way for this to have happened in 6K years.

[@John.0z]

That also applies to the Galapagos chain doesn't it?

[@user-lk7wk3cd8e]

YECs are impervious to logic.

[@pointlesspos8440]

@@John.0z Probabaly a lot of chains.? I was also thinking Azores, (standing on the top of Pico you can see about 12 volcanos) . But I just know that Hawaii is basically one spout and the chains islands are all, for lack of better explanation, drifting away from that spout.And the oldes are the farthest away and disintegrating. Maybe there's more islands on a bigger survey that are under the water.

[@InquisitiveBible]

It was an American Scientist article in 2005 about the Hawaiian islands and the evolution of Hawaiian spiders that made me realize evolution was true.

[@James-hd4ms]

Says you.

[@frostysnoman9091]

So as a former Jehovah's Witness I used to wrestle with the Neanderthal question. The conclusion I came to was that Neanderthal were descendants of Cain. Now I don't believe and the idea of evolution is so much easier to digest than religion.

[@JasonHenderson]

Jw's are wild, man. I consume a ton of exjw content, because some of their doctrine lines up with the church I was raised in. I was raised YEC, but I don't remember neanderthals even coming up. If they did they were more like knuckle walkers, more ape-like creatures and not human.

[@MalekMagicianPR]

You just need to believe the governing body even if all the evidence points to the contrary 😅 But I'm glad you're no longer a JW. Some people have it hard due to the repercussions we all know about.

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

The descendants of Caine are vampires. 🧛‍♂️🧛🏻‍♀️🧛🏼🧛🏽‍♂️🧛🏿‍♂️

[@jhoughjr1]

They arent mutually exclusive. Its an interesting idea at leaat to aaaociate cain with neanderthals.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@AnnoyingNewsletterswhy? The earth drank the blood lol

[@Locust13]

"6,000 to 10,000 years ago" Creationists always say this but does anyone notice that they're handing themselves a 90% margin of error right out of the gate? I don't think they're ready to publish.

[@MossyMozart]

@Locust13 - Peer-reviewed journals tend to agree.

[@azhdarchidae66]

to be fair most creationists don't give a range. Most of them actually are very confident in one specific age

[@andrewfleenor7459]

Yeah, quotes like "6000-10000 years" are usually talking about a bunch of different theories all together.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

none can destroy creationism because none can destroy God, and he will judge you as well, no matter what.

[@deenman23]

@@Mar-dk3mp the magic space pixies will come all over your face with their pixy dust for such blasphemy

[@Pibblepunk]

MORE Gutsick Gibbon content already?! We eatin good tonight, ladies

[@GoldBean2752]

nom nom nom

[@phillipmitchell2254]

The last few were filmed like a year ago

[@evilgingerminiatures5820]

Two proper length GutSick Gibbon videos in a day this is very heaven

[@fmdj]

Yaaaayy!!

[@fmdj]

my thoughts exactly, what a treat

[@dongiovanni4331]

"Put a pin in that, its going to be devastating to young earth creationism" Do you know how little that narrows it down?

[@dongiovanni4331]

BONK Begone bot!

[@thinkingaboutreligion2645]

​@@dongiovanni4331a bot that jokes?

[@dongiovanni4331]

@@thinkingaboutreligion2645 there was a bot asking to contact it on WA using Erika's PFP

[@g33xzi11a]

@@thinkingaboutreligion2645you’re right. Modern generative AI uses fewer cliches than YECs

[@Essex626]

Side note, the genetics around human descent were the thing that finally collapsed my long-wavering Creationism a couple years ago.

[@jhoughjr1]

How it really happened is much more glorifying than the story in genesis anyway.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

​@@jhoughjr1The reality of natural history has a scientific utility and a depth that bible myths can't match.

[@jourdansarpy4935]

@@jhoughjr1exactly. Reality is more magnificent than anything humans thought up in our puny brains.

[@vikingskuld]

What omg lol seriously you must not have looked into genetics much. It proves evolution is a joke. It doesn't have a genetic mechanism for macro evolution. Lol lol lol seriously thinking mutations can even cause evolution lol. You get broken genes copies of genes and lots of problems but those are suppose to as in the words of xmen Dr. X, mutations have taken us from a single called organism to the most dominant form of reproductive life on the planet. Lol come on that's the most total load of bunk. Broken genes loss of genetic information isn't going to evolve you into anything except maybe extinct.

[@muhcharona]

@@uncleanunicorn4571 and yet "equality" requires the belief in creationism again.

[@Slywyn]

I cannot believe that 'Kinda Baboon' is an actual species of baboon. Because it just sounds like some anthropologist being like "hey what's that" to another one and the response being "I dunno some kinda baboon" And then they just took that response at face value.

[@syyneater]

It seems like some of them do have some pretty interesting senses of humor, which I’m all for. =}

[@aaronhunyady]

Kinda humorous, though it was named after a town, which is why Kinda should always be capitalized.

[@vegasflyboy67]

I love how gently, kindly Erika eviscerated creationists.

[@robinbeers6689]

Yep. She hands them their lunch with a smile and facts.

[@vikingskuld]

@@vegasflyboy67 lol yeah right, you guys really don't know anything about evolution then do you. When you only study one side you'll never see the whole picture.

[@muhcharona]

@@robinbeers6689 unearned smugness, the real creationists believe in equality now.

[@stefansmith4313]

​@@vikingskuld you really can't accept that science has disproven your beliefs.

[@vikingskuld]

@@stefansmith4313 that's the thing it hasn't disproven anything. What it has proved is there are lots of people who use it to lie to gullible people, fill their heads full of nonsense and change the story everything creationist show how wrong and dumb it is. What would you say is the very beat proof for evolution

[@t00nz]

As someone who grew up in Evangelical United States. I was taught that Neanderthals were just monkeys that scientist use to try to convince us that evolution was real. I was disinformed about their life styles, how smart they were, and was never taught that they had tools and even structures. I have been trying to reinform and fix all the damage done. These videos help so much, thank you for spreading the truth!

[@feedermonkey7233]

Good luck on your journey 📖 There's so much to know and explore and so much yet to be discovered. All the Best~

[@OceanusHelios]

Real understanding means leaving behind childhood fantasies, and the sick and twisted superstitions of illiterate sun baked brains of old men living in the desert who couldn't manage to even get the time they were living in right.

[@seaman5705]

Looks like "Evanghelical US" has very low average IQ .

[@gordonbruce373]

Well done on getting out from under the blanket - good luck on your continuing journey of discovery.

[@akizeta]

You could have stopped at "I get a bit sick at Young Earth Creationists."

[@jhoughjr1]

As a xtian they make me sick also. They are liars that do only damage to religion

[@muhcharona]

Unfortunately they don't acknowledge just who they are now, its anyone against HBD.

[@nonripeloki8959]

But then we wouldn't have an educational and fun Video😅

[@rockwellpatterson6702]

You can also look at the MAJORITY of ‘beyond and back’, or ‘ ‘NDE experiences’ and crystal clearly see that there is more to come. If youuuuu want to perpetuate what 1 man started a couple hundred years ago like she does, not only are you a gambler, you never even considered enough to glance at one chapter of the only history book that is arguably the oldest but undeniably the most accurate book on earth.

[@simplymenow]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rockwellpatterson6702only if you ignore all the non historically accurate accounts in that “history” book. it’s weird how NDEs are tied to the culture the person was surrounded in. how many hindus, buddhist, muslims… have been met by jesus or vice versa during a NDE? almost like NDEs are actually our brains reacting to a lack of oxygen by hallucinating similar to our dreams.

[@fezparker2401]

i had a discussion with a creationist. he did not deny the science of geology,radiology,dendrochronology,biology,pharmacology,physics,cosmology or chemistry. only when they try to date stuff. i stopped talking and started drinking

[@chameleonx9253]

Yeah, see, the problem is that the exact same data we use to make all of those other discoveries are the same data we use to date things. In order for our dates to be off by at least four orders of magnitude, we would have to be fundamentally wrong about all of the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology, and thus all of the technology we've developed that relies on those sciences should flat out not work. But they DO work. Ergo, we're probably not wrong.

[@dustinmark6808]

@fezparker2401 ya ya better drink cuase ur to stupid to think for your self

[@deenman23]

you can never reason with a religios fanatic,if you could,they wouldnt be one anymore

[@dustinmark6808]

@@deenman23 same goes for atheist fanatic

[@deenman23]

@@dustinmark6808 you cant be an athiest fanatic,makes no sense,nice try pedo

[@kyrroti]

“We’re obviously different than X” “We’re obviously similar to Y” It’s wild how YECs say both of these. There’s no clean line you can draw anywhere. Animals are too complex for that

[@vikingskuld]

@@kyrroti yet they are not so complex that some how over a few million years you go from bacteria to thousands of forms of life, yet you don't have intermediates you don't see it any where in the fossil record. You don't find life on any other planer or moon in the solar system. It can magically poof together here just not mars the moon or jupiter. Kind of makes evolution a dumb idea

[@wadespencer3623]

There's a fun middle ground around the early Homo species where some creationists say they're obviously just apes, and others say they're obviously just humans.

[@vikingskuld]

@@wadespencer3623 Dr Carl Werner has a 4 books out one of which he has proven like 140 plus counts of fraud in ape to human evolution. Lol he has video of Dr.s telling on others about how they were asked to increase the size of an ape skull to make it seem like an intermediate. Over 140 counts. Leaving out chimp leg bones in finds and saying oh look I just found this skull so they change the size and shape of it even the hole where the spine goes in and say look early human, when it was nothing but a chimp. You can go check out his vids or get his book. It's literally academics telling on themselves and each other. So you can buy into the fraud all you want. Just know it's nothing more then a lie like evolution is.

[@samiamrg7]

The really problematic part of the 1800’s anthropologists was less the assumptions they made based on limited available evidence, it was the intense racism extrapolated from those assumptions by a great many in that field and beyond. Know anything about the 1800’s and you know what I mean.

[@JellyDiamondArt]

I'm so glad you brought this to the table because of COURSE. Of course racism. How could I have been so blind?

[@orchdork775]

Yea, though I would argue that the assumptions they made and the evidence they had were actually based on the racism. They only looked at data/evidence that supported their racist beliefs, because that's what they wanted to be true. With that level of bias, they wouldn't have been capable of honestly considering any data/evidence suggesting otherwise. They would have only collected evidence that supported their beliefs and ignored anything that didn't, and I don't think any white scientist would have even dared bring forward evidence disagreeing, anyways, or else their reputation would be ruined (and of course they wouldn't have taken any non white scientists seriously). So of course it would seem that the limited data is why they came to those racist conclusions, but it's the other way around. Their racist conclusions caused them to only consider data that agreed with their beliefs, causing it to be extremely limited. Idk though, I don't know a lot about the subject, so this is more a guess based on human behavior. I just find it hard to believe that there weren't racist beliefs already, before any evidence was discovered.

[@kellywalker1664]

​@@JellyDiamondArtmaybe ya orta actually take a glance at 19th/20th Century anthropology, biology and museum aquisitions from the period before making such an edgy remark?

[@Llortnerof]

@@kellywalker1664 Or just general 19th century culture.

[@vikingskuld]

@@samiamrg7 well the thing that really is disturbing to me is if EVOLUTION is true then racism is justified by the very Nature of evolution. I personally know evolution is a bad idea and a worse religion. That's what's sad

[@CreationMyths]

Comprehensive and merciless. Thank you for the shout-outs, much appreciated.

[@danford6678]

As a creationist I watched this just long enough to hear Erika say Neanderthals could breed with humans and were 99.7% close to humans in gene coding now I'm off to make a very misleading video that takes everything Erika says out of context while I cheery pick the parts I want to agree with and completely ignore the parts that preclude my insane belief system!

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

*_This is the way._*

[@creacher00]

You had me in the first half hahaha

[@sonder122]

You also need to demand that she produce an intermediary species between the two species and if she does so then demand she produce another intermediary species between the first and humans and keep doing this till she fails to pony up the fossil you demand. Once this happens you do a victory dance and claim that her whole argument is an obvious fallacy because you know no proof😊.

[@MossyMozart]

@danford6678 - You have learned well, Padawan.

[@phillyphakename1255]

​@@AnnoyingNewslettersI am the Way, the Truth, and the Intellectually Dishonest Apologist, no one stays with the Father except through Me.

[@hansleeuw2840]

4400 years? When do those young earth creationists suggest their form of evolution stopped? Were Neanderthals still around during the time of the great Pyramids? If not their evolution took about -800 years.

[@noiseisgold3n42]

That's why most young earth creationist just flat out deny evidence of macroevolution.

[@Brendawallingbear]

Sometimes I think about these things, with the imagination, not science part of my brain, and I have imagined - what if a neanderthal or mix neanderthal/human was wandering around and got to the same desert where Mary was walking alone to visit her cousin and in the desert that neanderthal or neanderthal/human and Mary hooked up (whether consensual or not, don't know, either way it can happen) and when she described him, it was heard as if he was "God" because they hadn't seen people from the North, or neanderthals, and that's how, as a child I justified the pictures of Jesus with blue eyes and light hair and skin, which wasn't common in the middle east. 😅😮

[@Brendawallingbear]

I hope you know that I'm not serious. It was just a daydream...

[@syyneater]

@@Brendawallingbear It sounds like an interesting premise for a fictional novel/short story. I’d totally read it, especially because it seems to lend itself to irony and a number of humorous situations.

[@kappascopezz5122]

​@@noiseisgold3n42They don't have to ignore evidence of macroevolution when they refuse to accept or give any definition for macroevolution

[@crow-dont-know]

Two videos in less than 24 hours?? Pinch me, I must be dreaming!

[@animallover7072]

Pinch 🤏

[@crow-dont-know]

@@animallover7072 thanks ☺️

[@crow-dont-know]

Looks like the first video has been unlisted 😢

[@SantiagoItzcoatl]

She explained it was meant to be published next week and that she still wanted to check some details in it

[@amadeus_k2466]

@@SantiagoItzcoatl Thank you, I was wondering what was going on

[@bellawietrzak3543]

Just another reason why Neanderthals are so cool. Love that I'm a descendant of so many interesting human species!

[@homofloridensis]

Speaking as one having more Neanderthal DNA than 97% of the people who send their DNA off to a particular DNA testing company, I appreciate that *my people* can still contribute to science, specifically debunking YEC. After all, we were around 40,000 years before it was invented. "Homo stupidus" -- bah, humbug!

[@dalailarose1596]

​@homofloridensis One of the things I know about them is that Neanderthals took care of their disabled folks, & that always makes me feel closer to them. At least some of my distant ancestors would not have abandoned me after I survived a childhood spinal cord injury.

[@imwelshjesus]

You are also a descendant of an ancient ape, a small mammal, a reptile and a creature that lived in the sea, never forget your ancestry they made you who you are.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@homofloridensisyou have a unibrow? Ive wondered if there are any morphologies we can see.

[@homofloridensis]

@@jhoughjr1 I did up until my 30's. And the back of my skull is quite large. But most effects probably aren't all that visible.

[@Dan_Ben_Michael]

Erika! Keep up the good fight by debunking these insane, and quite dangerous pedlars of lies. Young Earth Creationists, those who take the Bible literally give religious people like myself a bad name. Religion has no business in science.

[@DefinitelyA_Person]

One vid before bed, one vid after I wake up.

[@ooNemoO71]

I got one for breakfast and now one for dinner. The Earth is not flat.

[@DefinitelyA_Person]

@@ooNemoO71 indeed the earth is not flat, that’s obvious

[@OmegaWolf747]

Neanderthals were cool. I wonder what the world would be like today if they hadn't gone under.

[@waywardscythe3358]

Probably pretty bad. Look at We did to ourselves over skin color or location. We'd do the same or worse to a different species who was maybe physically incapable of speaking our languages (though probably not incapable of understanding language). Not to say I don't share your sentiment though, it'd be cool to coexist with our sister species'.

[@creacher00]

@@waywardscythe3358My thoughts exactly

[@MossyMozart]

@@waywardscythe3358 - I thought it was decided in at least one paper that Neanderthals _could_ speak. Be that as it may, if they were still separate (not completely merged with us), perhaps they would help mitigate some of the envy and otherism on today's globe. Especially if they had some kind of power (financial, maybe), they could demand equality. ---------- All completely speculative, but fun to contemplate.

[@rebelrouzer5318]

​@@waywardscythe3358our ancestors were making sweet love to Neanderthals so we'd probably be chill or some kind of hybrid species

[@jamesfetherston1190]

Not sure they all went under. There is a congresswoman from Georgia that could be Neanderthal.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

I have had a fair amount of genetic screening due to some health issues, and in doing so I was happy to have confirmation that I have an above average amount of Neanderthal gene markers, and I also have the much more modern lactase persistence mutation. My own body has plenty of evidence for evolution.

[@OceanusHelios]

The YEC are going to run with it when they conclude that Neanderthal genes is where their whiteness comes from. Nevermind the fact that the vast majority is from other humans. Then they will dump the YEC and immediately pivot into eugenics. And we will be back at 1939 all over again.

[@wintergray1221]

I don't know what lactase persistence is, but if it means you're not intolerant, I'm so jealous 😩

[@Essex626]

"The two most distant people genetically are 99.9% similar" Also, the two most distant people genetically might well both live in Africa--all of the people who migrated out of Africa have shared ancestry from the common migration more recently than some populations within the continent split from one another, so there are divergences there that are greater than Montezuma was from King Henry VIII. This is proof of the fact that Homo Sapiens came from Africa.

[@muhcharona]

Out of africa is the new creationist myth.

[@liamevans7661]

@@muhcharonalol dna doesn’t lie bro, it’s not myth just because the science is too complex for you to understand it 😂

[@NameRealperson]

​@@muhcharonano, Out of Africa is a soppy melodrama starring Meryl Streep's dodgy Danish accent

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@muhcharona No, you YECs claim everyone came from the Middle East. The evidence does not support that.

[@sonder122]

Stephen. J. Gould’s book “Wonderful Life: the Burgess Shale and the Nature of History” has a lovely section where he ruminates on the amount of luck / happenstance that lead to humans even coming into existence. The book is dated now and was criticised by some of the scientists he features in it, but Gould was one of the best I’ve ever read at explaining the wonder of life and evolution. He was also a fierce opponent of eugenics and an equally powerful advocate for the teaching and understanding of evolution. Oh and he also wrote beautifully.

[@kellywalker1664]

His essay on Mickey Mouse and neoteny in character design really sticks out in my memory.

[@tslfrontman]

The best one I've heard was that Neanderthals, ancient homos were 'genetic abominations' from radiation before the flood-times. Such creativity! 😂

[@JariDawnchild]

Another way of saying neanderthals were Nephilim? Still false, but it'd be a fun spin on the time traveler story trope.

[@jhoughjr1]

Wouldnt there be more shielding before the flood or do they discard the water canopy?

[@Llortnerof]

@@jhoughjr1 You say that as if they understood their own models. They'd have dropped them long ago if they did, realising how stupid they are.

[@olddog-fv2ox]

It looks like "the flood" in the middle east was caused by the Burckle Asteroid that blasted the indian ocean and tsunamied out the land around it big time especially the flat country in the middle east, also blasting massive volumes of water vapour into the atmosphere bringban apocalyptic wet time to the planet

[@aralornwolf3140]

The best I heard was "they were just animals"...

[@Vandalia1998]

Growing up as an OEC I was taught Neanderthal was Caine kids and Sapiens were Seth’s kids. And Neanderthal died in the flood. It’s stupid too but at least it doesn’t throw them in the super post flood evolution

[@kathybrem880]

Foolish nonsense

[@AmariLindsey-l5p]

@@kathybrem880 Grammar, please.

[@AmariLindsey-l5p]

How is that stupid? You can't just say something is stupid and then just continue without telling us how it's stupid.

[@BapsyGames]

As soon as you said "For the sake of brevity"... I gave this video a like... Nice one Gutsick 🙂

[@NitroIndigo]

You know how Raw Matt and Donnie Deals call every rebuttal they don't like a "rescuing device"? Because I think we should start calling "evolutionary assumptions" a YEC rescuing device.

[@jhoughjr1]

That vocab sounds so contrived

[@DarkRanger1975]

Well it's not like Raw Matt and Donnie could be honest about the topic. Honesty is not in their vocabulary, they will twist and distort every word that Erika says.

[@MossyMozart]

@NitroIndigo - The YEC's "recuing device" is shaped like a book of tall tales.

[@vikingskuld]

@@NitroIndigo lol man you guys are absolutely desperate lol. To think about evolution and knowing in your mind this is the greatest scientific theory in the history of man....... Your best, most educated and your brightest minds all having worked on that theory for well over 100 years -- ALL TO HAVE THE LIKES OF KENT HOVIND, DONNY, AND RAW MATT TEAR IT DOWN LIKE A HOUSE OF WET TOILET PAPER IN A HURRICANE. YOUR PATHETIC RESCUE DEVICE IS ( THEY ARE LIARS?) Honestly you should seriously be ashamed for making that comment. I would love for you to give an example of a lie they told? Over 100 years and you guys have no proof of evolution, no examples of the science you think gives you all the evidence you need. You just bypassed common sense and went straight to deception and propaganda. Shame on you.

[@user-fx9hv3up3f]

I didn't know about the neanderthals different earbones and how it implies that the balanced differently than us truly fascinating ❤

[@heatherkuhn6559]

Not ear bones. Semicircular canals. The ear bones transmit sound. The semicircular canals are used for balance.

[@mikahbee]

You had me at neanderthal ❤

[@drewk7330]

when you were apologizing for having to have your head out of frame with the homo sapiens and neanderthal skulls you said "... and the mic's here" and I thought you pointed to the homo sapiens skull and said "and then Mike's here" so now I like to imagine that his name is Mike. hello Mike!!!!!

[@areallyshortbrontothere]

TWO!?!? *TWO* WITHIN *ONE* DAY!!?!?!? WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!!!!!!!!

[@craaab____721]

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY

[@katinapac-baez5083]

So similar and so different at the same time. Absolutely appreciate the side by side anatomy comparison. Thank you

[@sammysamlovescats]

"I've gotten a little bit sick of young earth creationists" You could've stopped there, tbh

[@markhaunert5029]

It's impossible not to watch a video with this title.

[@seanwylie4823]

You are amazing! I love the attention to detail of all the minute features. The question of whether H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis are really the same species in the process of speciation or really are separate species has been bouncing around my head for a while. I'm not Christian, just special interested lol. Thank you for answering that question so thoroughly; A+++

[@Trollsagan69420]

This was one of many issues that made me realize that even if I found a pretzel brained explanation for the data, it would still be better explained by long time frames and evolution. It’s just evolution but crammed into a tiny frame of time for every single issue YECism tries to explain, which made me then realize that YECism is inherently a misrepresentation of time and is therefore extremely unlikely to be true.

[@christosdoesthings]

2 1 HOUR VIDEOS IN ONE DAY? ERICA IS A MADWOMAN

[@nebulan]

3:31 i don't mind edits if they come with such cute gibbons!

[@jahuti5065]

I think it is a sad indictment of things when a brilliant young scholar has to waste their time "disproving" ideas that are clearly nonsensical. However, the fact that creationists direct their dogma at the young, the vulnerable and the generally impressionable does make it important to provide easy access to proper scientific thinking of these matters. I salute your efforts though I truly wish they were not necessary.

[@stevenleonard7219]

YEC is just another version of Last Thursdayism.

[@______IV]

@16:00-ish: I think that’s my favorite nonsense from y.e. creationists. The whole: slow evolution is nonsense but super duper fast evolution after "Noah’s flood" makes perfect sense. Cracks me up every time I hear them rationalize the diversity of life that way.

[@RubinoffPrague]

One of the interesting and bizarre things about YECs (and I think OECs too) is that they are extreme species realists, but don't have a very well defined species concept. I guess, as per what you were saying, they more or less follow the biological species model, though I am not sure they realize they do. Anyway, John Wilkins counted up 27 species concepts in 7 categories, as of 2011.

[@sonder122]

I think this may have something to do with their literal interpretation of the bible. As they have to account for all ‘species’ fitting on one largish boat they can’t have so many species in existence today coming from so few individuals on the arc? By the way, I’m no expert in either YEC or evolution.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

That's why they use "kinds" instead of species.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

@@sonder122 It's also why they have to allow for micro-evolution but not macro-evolution

[@PatchesStudios]

Erika is feeding us!!

[@noparnel1]

Nom nom! Mmm knowledge!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

​@noparnel1 Love learning about neanderthals, But trying to work them into the bible feels as useful as figuring out which plesiosaur was killed by hercules during the legend of the hydra.

[@rhaengelos3453]

i love the human and neanderthal art from tumblr included in the video, those are some of my favorite paleoart pieces and from one of my favorite artists

[@dingokidneys]

I love your videos. I'm appalled by the dumb creationist stuff you have to debunk but love your videos. Keep it going and I'll keep clicking.

[@JariDawnchild]

Despite the differences, I can't help but instinctually think "these are both human" when comparing homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis. It makes sense to me, as they were another "species" of human.

[@SpringSupers]

Marjorie Taylor Greene in the thumbnail tho.

[@Almost_a_hero]

Don't insult Neanderthals like that they were smarter and better looking than Marjie ever will be

[@johnboettcher1962]

i saw the same thing

[@SoJoever]

Bruh that’s insulting to Neanderthals to be compared to her 😭😭

[@the_newt_nest]

Nah, that neanderthal lady was probably able to care about others.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

@@SpringSupers LOL I should have read the comments first

[@Sapioso]

Common sense did it for me as a 2nd grader. Literally believed in Santa, NEVER believed in any religion.

[@Reinfort14]

I cant wait to see your in the field vid when you release it again

[@MossyMozart]

@Reinfort14 - I watched it before it was removed. The last part about her side trip is the most important part by far.

[@ArionXeno]

I thought the truncation model concerned the evolution of proboscidians. Perhaps that’s just a mammoth leap in reasoning. 😊

[@wintergray1221]

Dammit, take my like.

[@ReneeAnnette]

Thank you for this! I'm sure I've commented on a video of yours before, but your videos are so helpful for me. I stepped away from YECism well over a decade ago, but it's hard to fit "learn actual science" into an adult life. Growing up YEC of the AIC/ICR variety, I always heard the degradation idea--that these other types of humans were actually just 'defective' humans from post-flood inbreeding and disease, or whatever, being interpreted by evolutionists to be other types of humans to support their "theory." That there actually weren't such things as other types of humans. Obviously, there's been some development of YEC arguments since then given the need to addres overwhelming evidence somehow. But anyway, I absolutely love learning from you. It's been incredibly refreshing not just to watch you dunk on the ridiculous faith-based "science" of YECers, but to absorb the mounds of evidence you offer. I'm sure it's frustrating to constantly have to be pushing back at it, but your work has been invaluable to me learning how evolution works and why we know it works.

[@AmyEugene]

The beginning of this video led me on a side quest to find out how creationists believe we got from the 3 sons of Noah and their wives to 8 billion people worldwide in 2024. I looked at two different sites and they both focused on the length of one generation and how many generations it would take to double the population and then did some math that came up with a number that, trust me bro, fits. Because population grows like money in a bank. One site used the time from when the world is believed to have reached 1 billion in 1804 to 7 billion in 2012 which gave him the number 0.94% for growth rate. Obviously the world has improved a lot since 1804, so he decided he would be "extremely conservative" and say average population growth before was half, so 0.436%. Like, what? Arbitrarily cutting the number in half and calling that "proof"? I don't think so, sir! I think I can find a more accurate number in under 10 minutes and I did. I found a paper on prehistoric hunter-gatherer and agriculturist growth rate by Robert Bettinger and his evidence suggests both groups had a long term growth rate of 0.04%. He mentions that populations could see short term bursts of population growth of as much as (coincidentally) 0.4% and then he talks about groups populating the most fertile land until maximum capacity for food production is reached and then the 2nd most fertile land is populated and so on. If people have to hoof it to Australia and populate the continent with Aboriginal tribes before the English get there 4,500 years later, not to mention set up several major cities and civilizations along the way, they're going to be hunting and gathering on the move. That creates a conundrum of the time it would take to reach far off places inhabited by humans and the time needed to establish sufficiently large populations for one part to stay in place and birth a civilization, while another part of that population continues on to the next location to seed with humanity. It's hard to imagine people would be able to stay in one place long enough for their population to double before a large portion would have to leave and find another unpopulated area to settle. There would be relatively little time to achieve any significant population density in the locations that were the last to be settled, so it would be logical for the area around where Noah and his kids settled to have really high, if not the highest, population density in the world. The Levant would have had a larger population than the early Roman Empire and they both would've dwarfed any empire in China at that time. Man, I wish I could see this in a computer model. If anybody has access to one, I want to see how fast people could reach all of the inhabited places in the world and how much reproduction would have to happen to get those places to their current population. Then make a video. Thanks.

[@DemmyDemon]

When they say "fully ape", what they meant to say was "no homo"

[@FrikInCasualMode]

Often I wonder if the small size of Neanderthal groups wasn't caused by communication issues? We, Homo sapiens have limited capacity for making social bonds - it's about 30 persons in our immediate social circle? Above that we are less able to maintain close enough bonds with all our acquaintances. What if Neanderthals were even more limited in this matter than us? Maybe their brain structure was less society-oriented? Maybe their language capabilities weren't up to the task? Maybe they were perfectly fine in small family groups, but had trouble communicating or trusting strangers? Not completely, mind you - otherwise there would be much less interbreeding happening with modern humans and Denisovans. But it was much less than Homo sapiens were capable of.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

I think humans were always low in number. A subset of Homo Sapiens discovered the quantity>quality lifestyle. And we have been tech-ing into it more every day since.

[@MossyMozart]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana - And trashing the planet every step of the way.

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

H. Sapiens has always been as rare as the Neanderthals were. Only in extremely recent history have we grown in population We, as H. Sapiens, had a few close calls with extinction because of our low population numbers too, hence today we can trace down our entire lineage to a few individuals shared between all of us

[@stephenlangsl67]

If only everyone would realize how ignorant and idiotic Young Earth Creationism actually is.

[@lozferris1719]

What research have you yourself conducted, to reach that conclusion?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@lozferris1719 There's plenty of evidence from several different fields of science that make young Earth impossible. There's also plenty of evidence that Earth is not flat. Do you require a personal measurement of Earth to agree with the shape of the planet?

[@lozferris1719]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Why do you keep bringing up the shape of the Earth? I don't care what shape it is; how does it affect you and I? And what "evidence" proves that the Bible is wrong? How do you know that people are accurately understanding the information they are observing? Also, how do you know the machines are giving accurate results? Would a biased jury accurately assess the evidence that is presented to them?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@lozferris1719 You don't think travel is affected by knowing the shape of the planet? As far as evidence of the Bible being wrong, there are plenty of examples of errors in the Bible, especially if you take it literally.

[@lozferris1719]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime If there are plenty of errors you should be able to name one. And I do not waste my time discussing the shape of the Earth, it could be diamond shaped, it doesn't affect me at all. Flat or spherical, what difference does it make to your life? There is never a day when I think about the shape of the Earth. It's useless wasting my time on such trivial things that have absolutely no affect on my existence here on Earth. I never wake up thinking that the Earth's shape is an inconvenience to me. But hey, in my experience, those who like to argue, will argue about anything; no matter how banal.

[@gilbertpatrucco5196]

I love how you communicate facts and science. I still find it amazing how religious apologists try to use the science facts to fit their narrative. Truly frustrating to hear them babble non-sense with the highest Dunning-Kruger. Love your work and love listening to you on the Line channel as well!

[@donwilliams8357]

Ms Gibbon is to be praised for her patient and gentle way of full-body slamming the ideas of young earth creationist whackos.

[@mjrtaurus2714]

I was raised creationist (got out of all of that, thankfully), and I think one of the main reason so many creationists dispute the existence of earlier hominids is that it takes away the "made in God's image" aspect to themselves. In acknowledging that other hominids existed, they discard their "God-given divinity". So they don't acknowledge it at all. If they aren't special, if they aren't treated as the pinnacle of existence, then they want nothing to do with it.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

I love the Simpsons' myth of creation meme... I also love that you're doing this video! YEC preclusion *AND* neanderthals?! You've combined two of my favorite things into *MY NEW FAVORITE THING.*

[@gl15col]

Why did the various churches decide to even tackle all this. For thousands of years they just told their followers "God says so" and that was the end of that. The trouble started when they tried to straddle science and religion and just messed themselves up.

[@riluna3695]

My best guess, it wasn't that the church tried to bring their religion towards science, it's that some of the "problematic" science got to be so well-known and so apparent to even the believers that the church had to try to come up with answers or risk losing tons of people who finally see that their religion doesn't match up with observed reality. But since the religion isn't actually true, their answers can never actually be valid, so their only hope is to find ways to hide the flaws in their answers so that people are convinced anyway. This spiraled more and more out of control over the years, with consistent drains on religious adherence despite their somewhat-successful attempts to placate the masses, until it reaches what we see today, where every single avenue of research has something to say about the flaws of a literally-interpreted biblical history. At that point, you end up with a sliding scale of "we fixed it", that starts at YEC and friends at the "if we ignore, lie about, or outright hide all the information that proves us wrong, we're still right" level, up the line to "we accept a little bit of this, but there are certain interpretations that we refuse to reject, even in the face of reality saying no in no uncertain terms", with a little sliding scale of how literally the bible is to be taken in each church, as far as "none of it needs to actually be real history for us to believe that Jesus is necessary to save us (from his dad, but shh)" at the top levels. And then finally "yeah, in light of all this stuff, it's pretty clear that there's no reason to believe any of this book's wild claims or the wild claims made about it. I no longer can bring myself to believe." One smooth gradient from fundamentalism to atheism, with innumeral stops along the way from one to the next. And typically, the primary motivator for where in the line you fall is "how many beliefs are you completely unwilling to question, even in the face of huge problems?" Fundies with the most, Atheists finally shedding the very last remnants of dogma and accepting reality at face value. Every time you open up one of those untouchable questions to genuine scrutiny, you inevitably slide ever further down. Down into what the still-religious call sin, and everyone else calls honesty. Because one of Christianity's greatest and worst sins...is asking questions to learn what's true and what's not.

[@kellywalker1664]

​@@riluna3695TROO. They didn't set out (initially) to attack conventional science, but were trying to protect adherence in their groups.

[@marthawolfsen5809]

@@kellywalker1664 I wonder if that's right. Since the days of-- at least-- Dwayne Gish there have been creationists who seem to get a kick out of twisting words around to befuddle and irritate scientists. They don't ask how a cow can be related to a pine tree because they seriously want the explanation. They just want to make their followers think they look smart pointing and laughing at how dumb the scientists look. Actually, I think a lot of the creationists preachers know that what they're saying is bull, and get a sick thrill from making both the scientists and their congregations look bad!

[@pansepot1490]

Seems to me creationism is mostly an American problem. I live in Europe and I didn’t know it existed until I learned about it from the internet and KZbin most specifically. Tbc, not saying that Europeans are smarter. Imo it’s a combination of various historical factors: Europe is way more secular, it has better funded and more universal public education, no homeschooling to allow parents to indoctrinate their children, and so on.

[@MossyMozart]

@@kellywalker1664 - I agree. I don't think creationism, specifically young Earth creationism, thinks it will convert many people with their corrupt appeal to scientific authority. It is about circling the wagons, but not to keep sinners out - to keep curious young minds _IN._ A prison is a prison, dear creationists..

[@jollyjerr]

HOW do you find SUCH GREAT MEMES!?

[@dariolemos4583]

Amazing the effort this girl puts into answering people who cannot accept their own genomes, but much needed. Keep it up!

[@MossyMozart]

@dariolemos4583 - Girl? I'm pretty sure Ms Gibbon is well into her 20s.

[@dariolemos4583]

@@MossyMozartyes, of course. I meant it in a nice way, she does reach the young audience with her jovial demeanor, and that’s great.

[@bobphillips2188]

I met a two 6 day creationists recently. We were in a geologically discrete area of Scotland, 330 my or thereabouts. When I asked what made them so convinced they had the whole thing sorted, they just rubbished science as 'science', and insisted that carbon dating, other atomic dating, and any other types of dating as 'Lacking evidence'. I suggested they look into the evidence they were trashing, but they were not interested. They were right, I was just another human idiot. Adam and Eve, Noah, animals two-by-two, and all the usual tropes and lunacy. Why is it we mere humans have to prove stuff to creationists that 99.9% of us KNOW is either true or not, and creationists just have to say 'This is what we BELIEVE', and that is good enough...

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

Neanderthals too? That must be only #654143d reason why young earth creationism is impossible

[@guyhickson7332]

Always love your show and content and the way your show is educational and very entertaining! ❤

[@bushmasterflash]

Darn, I wish Neandertals had stuck around until today.

[@JoeBidet-yb5er]

Meet me I'm 4 % 😂

[@Where_is_Waldo]

34:00 I seem to recall years ago hearing discussion on youtube about why Neanderthals had such big sinus cavities and thinking it would help prewarm the air they breath. Now I feel smart!

[@MossyMozart]

@Where_is_Waldo - As a little kidney bean, I wasn't all that interested in dinosaurs, but I _loved_ Neanderthals. I refused to believe in my gut that they were brutish Apes and just _knew_ that they canoodled with Sapiens - so not extinct, but *_merged._* I was completely unscientific, but right. Hoooray! So we are _BOTH_ smart! Must be from our Neanderthal genes. ^_^

[@robertmiddlebrooks4052]

Thank you for giving me something to listen to while I try not to cry through my first tattoo. You the real mvp

[@sidarthur8706]

i appreciate you taking the time

[@hadz8671]

Loved the anatomy lesson.

[@AtaraxianWist]

We're back to the hour+ creationism debunks!!! Hell yes!

[@elzo_smid]

Thank you! Your videos are very interesting, easy to follow, sometimes very funny and incredibly packed with information.

[@dalailarose1596]

I squeaked when I saw a new video! 😅 I live with paralysis, & your videos keep my mind off the burning nerve pain. Plus, I know Neanderthals would have taken care of me after my childhood spinal injury, as some groups cared even for folks born with profound physical disabilities, allowing them to reach old age. *Just because Neanderthals weren't "human" (homo sapiens) does not mean they weren't PEOPLE.*

[@FernLovebond]

Hear hear! 👏👏👏 (Pro tip: when using auto-transcription, be careful of homonyms like "here" and "hear".)

[@Lutefisk445]

As i tell my disabled friends, just go to the store and get a new nervous system. obviously. I think they're running a sale on fingers right now. All jokes aside, I do agree with you about them being people lol

[@alanhyland5697]

You want to hear a good one? I have read the theory that heidelbergensis and Neanderthals had a different skeletal structure because of rickets. That's right, rickets.

[@rdizzy1]

Lol, the entire species has ricketts, from birth to death, still manages to survive for tens of thousands of years (or even longer)

[@h.l.aristosolies5292]

I have also either heard or read that. It's been years. I don't remember which it was but I've definitely come across it before. Lol

[@entropicemerald807]

YEC is especially odd since evolution has been affirmed in the Catholic Church since pope pius xii

[@jhoughjr1]

YEC is largely a US thing land of protestantism is why imo

[@dancingnature]

Protestant fundies hate Catholics and don’t understand that they Christian for some weird reason 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Madcow7777]

The pope is seen as the Anti Christ by a lot of Protestants. This would simply make sense a deception of the devil from a YEC point of view

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

A lot of evangelicals don't regard Catholics as real Christians.

[@wintergray1221]

@@b.a.erlebacher1139 I saw a comment on an Aron video (I believe) talking about that. Out-group BS like always.

[@janusatthegate6201]

Humans are the same species but often produce all kinds of not viable offspring.

[@Leif-yv5ql]

Thank you, Neanderthals. Even after extinction, you are smarter than many homo sapiens.

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

Creationism kills creationism …

[@pjmlegrande]

Doesn’t take much to kill Creationism. It’s a patently ridiculous proposition.

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

Too bad we will never know every species that ever existed. What a beautiful thing it would be to have that laid out in front of you.

[@Saor_Alba]

I have found out over my life that engaging with young heart creationists is pointless. Even once they realise that they are losing the argument they invariably pull the faith, get out of jail free, card. By that I mean their final words boil down to a variation that they have faith that God created the world 6000 years ago, and faith is an unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. Basically, it is the equivalent of "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

[@loiss.381]

this was a fun watch! I also love your personality!

[@scottjustscott3730]

This angelic women is FASCINATING to me. She talks about a subject that has gripped my imagination from post-toddlerhood. You're an angel.

[@StiveGuy]

I often dream of being back in time and just talking to people about what the future is really like.

[@angrydoggy9170]

That degradation idea poses an interesting question. At what point did the degradation stop? Genetic variation must have occurred really fast at some point but it appears to stop at some point (there’s hardly any genetic difference between me and let’s say 20 generations ago). Why would that be?

[@andybeans5790]

I heard an idea that Neanderthal brains may have been more adapted to sight processing, whereas sapiens had more social acuity

[@creacher00]

A study by Oxford University in 2013 seems to suggest this, and a more recent study in 2023 suggests that this is why some people are “morning people” while others aren’t (Heavily paraphrasing)

[@andybeans5790]

@@creacher00 haha, I'm an autistic morning person so that 2023 study sounds right up my street.

[@MossyMozart]

@@creacher00 = _"...study in 2023 suggests that this is why some people are “morning people” while others aren’t..."_ - - - - - I aren't!

[@jamistardust5181]

Love all your videos. For a time I was a zoology major and I love your specificity and clear explanations.

[@scotthendrix9829]

Excellent video. I learned a lot. Thanks for your hard work, GG!

[@vmitchinson]

It seems to me that the 6000 year total number applys to the Abrahamic religions as the total came from the generations listed in the bible. The rest of the world and universe are not included in the calculation.

[@roostertuft]

New neanderthal video drop…

[@Spinozilla109]

I absolutely love your videos!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@williambuchanan77]

creationists know they're lying. In my personal experience when they realize their lies aren't being believed they tend to get annoyed. Me being me, that results in them getting really pissed. It's similar to having to interact with an evangelist, they hate their self entitlement being challenged. People like this tend to be narcissistic by nature.

[@archivist17]

Brilliant. Thank you so much, GG!

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

Gutsick, I applaud you for being brave enough to face the YEC online guys, because I too, didn't understand evolution (not YEC tho, hell nah). But even now, I'm still learning and tryna understand evolution cause my church mocked it and it made it seem like it was delulu. Now I know my religion was the delulu one, and that Genesis creationism really is a myth. Keep on keeping on.

[@borttorbbq2556]

If you got any questions I'd love to see if I could explain it.

[@Opforvideo2]

Sorry to post a dumb comment on this scholarly video topic, but Kinda Baboon is a great band name/internet handle

[@Sableagle]

It's also a mood.

[@epochalypsemeow5732]

Esoterica and Gutsick on the same day? Is it my birthday?

[@MouthwashTyphoon]

I have no idea what you just said, but I am intrigued and my brain is growing.

[@rhanak4115]

Thank you, Erika! I love learning about our nearest relatives, and I especially love it when you bring out the bone models and show us exactly what you're talking about in morphological comparisons!