The WORST thing to find in an engine!

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[@MrENT18]

Good thing its Halloween soon, because this engine is a horror.

[@lettuceman3848]

Haha

[@MrClickbang357]

That metal coming out of your so called oil is the engine saying "I GIVE UP!!!".

[@28YorkshireRose12]

Oh dear, I'm saying it's dropped a sleeve?!

[@fireguy8466]

Yeah it’s a cylinder sleeve

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

It's good that you can laugh at your troubles! Press on, my friend.

[@stevenspaziani9159]

This would be the perfect time to put a super charged flat head V8 in the tractor.

[@nohopps]

Ouch! That is not a welcome surprise. I am looking forward to seeing how you get this engine back in working order.

[@jacksmith3189]

The worst thing to find in an engine is a “Barbie Doll”.

[@markwheeler202]

"Rebuild" sounds like fixing something that's still running. Hard to believe this thing still was, or not making the most infernal noises if so.

[@endangeredgnome5337]

Your sound quality is hugely improved. Thanks for working on it!!!

[@rivervalleyfarm482]

It part of the steel liner for a cylinder.

[@jimgroff6880]

Yes

[@BigMoPrepper]

Yep 2

[@JDSWeather]

Or could be part of the piston

[@rivervalleyfarm482]

No to thin.

[@kevinoscarson2941]

Yup liner

[@dehavenfamilyfarm]

Wow, what a mess! Can't wait for the next video in the series.

[@ColinWatters]

Its never good when there is more engine in the oil than there is oil in the engine :-)

[@camgnilpe9300]

WOW! thats so fucking funny i forgot to laugh. HA HA!

[@stevenpratt8655]

Been there...

[@leoashrae4199]

Wow! I'm wondering why on earth the previous rebuilder hone'd the crap out of those bores(?) I worked for a Ford/Ferguson dealer in Neffs, PA, back in the 70's. In my experience those liners are made to fit "TIGHT". When we installed 8n liners we had the parts-guy stop at the Lehigh Valley Dairy on his way to work that morning and buy a 25-pound box of dry ice. After a cold soak for about five minutes in the dry ice the liners would slide right in. Because the liners are so thin we found the best way to get them out was to use a fairly long and specially ground cold-chisel, which was ground smooth on one side. With the smooth side against the bore wall, you could "carefully" split the liner to get it out. We found the liners to be too thin and too soft to get them out with a puller because the puller-plate would sometimes slip past the end of the liner and wedge itself into the bore... and in the worst case crack the block. No sir... an 8n is not supposed to have slippy-slidey cylinder liners. Someone really screwed the pooch on that rebuild. I hope you can salvage that block.

[@treebuzzard5796]

Seen some beautifully restored 8n's going for cheap, they are a good tractor, love them fully restored in all the livery.

[@Fn_dude]

Thank you for getting a mic. The audio is soooo much nicer. Thank you

[@ctrials]

Shoots Blake, the video and audio is great!

[@deadordreadfist343]

I figured cylinder sleeve right off the bat, but I do appreciate your courage in disassembling the engine that far yourself. I'm not sure I have the tools or the inclination to attempt that myself.

[@jburritt426]

I am glad you are rebuilding this old piece of art.

[@benpbraun]

Yup on the blue paint. There’s a flyer image floating around getting tractors refreshed to Ford Blue at the dealership. If the block is good there’s plenty of parts out there.

[@kevinnearhood641]

Happened to my 8n also. Napa has a sleeve retainer compound.Its like a loctite. I used it on my new sleeves.

[@jamesmoore3346]

Locktite makes a great retaining compound. Those 8N's had either a .040 or a .090 dry liner, I always used the locktite retainer when putting new liners in.. A little note, if I had to guess by all the damage, this motor was an ether "addict". Hate that stuff. Used to tell my customers, 'if you find a can of starting fluid in my shop, I'll give you 20.00$. Never use ether, use WD-40 or a rag soaked in gas held next to the air intake will help start a low compression engine, just never use ether......

[@rivervalleyfarm482]

You're all kinds of high class. When I fixed the 8n I had, i blocked the transmission and engine, pulled the front axle off. Then slid the engine out from the transmission while still sitting on the blocks. Then I set the engine on it's side on the same block and tore it down. Put it back together. Stood back on the oil pan and slid it back together. But i was younger and stronger (dumber) at the time.

[@MrRoverpilot]

Looking forward to see the progression on the rebuild. I have a 1948 BMC tractor a 425 with an industrial head on it that is to say my radiator grill is the warehouse industrial version

[@ChiefAUS]

Good video. I like this series. Thanks!

[@christurner5473]

You have got me hooked please tell me that you have more on this tractor I’m dying to see more

[@williamriley2528]

BOX END of that combo wrench on the nuts PLEASE...! GEESH...! I also see a bunch of play in the #2 rod bearing...

[@CarlinLusk]

YES! Or a deep well socket wrench maybe? Much easier too...

[@notsofresh8563]

@@CarlinLusk Even better, clean and lube the threads before removing the nuts

[@markleathers5797]

I agree!!! I wish this guy was a professional mechanic. It's like he never heard of a socket, extension and ratchet, or speed handle.

[@howardbodiford7130]

Mark Leathers he is a professional mechanic/ farmer he knows what he is doing.

[@Rezqewr]

@@markleathers5797 Yet he used an impact gun to remove the pressure plate bolts.

[@woodzy575]

great video, will be nice to see the process of repair on a cylinder liner.

[@jarrettgerber6527]

Love to see you tonight when rebuilding the same tractor

[@nickhill3362]

Looks like some cheap aftermarket liners were put in that didn't fit correctly , enjoyed vid thanks

[@jostouw4366]

Up to the machinist to check what he fits where, you can tell when they are pushed in if too loose!

[@toms641]

At least somebody saved a bunch by not doing all those stupid oil changes.

[@johnnyholland8765]

BOO! Happy Halloween! Scary goings on with that engine for sure. I have been there. Restoring a 1940 Deere B with similar issues. I now have more in the engine than I paid for the tractor. New block, pistons, rings, repoured babbit bearings, head totally redone. The list goes on and on......... Good luck and keep us posted. Good news is you can find the parts for a rebuild.

[@rodolfoplasencia4953]

Awesome job man!!!

[@danielc5205]

It looks like a good candidate for one of those flathead V8 conversions.

[@donvoll2580]

Good day Daniel I live up here in Ont. Last week on kijiji there was a flat head ford V/8 for free, & being older mind doesn't think as guick, never thought of that Thanks

[@johndowe7003]

a i6 furd 300 cid would be better

[@donvoll2580]

@@johndowe7003 Yes I think your are right. Our neighbor had one with 6cyl. in, the rear end did not stand up if you over work them Thanks

[@calvinmientke3539]

@@donvoll2580 The nut that holds the wheel controls what parts will break. Oh! Ya! Don't show off pulling wheelies with your dad's tractor, breaking an axle. He get MAD!

[@johndowe7003]

@@calvinmientke3539 yeah my 8n is stock, i break traction before i stall out most of the time

[@ihus9950]

Possible Piston Sleeve Thats the early 8N engine. Are you going to have it bored again, or look for a different block? 👍

[@jankotze1959]

Nice, I enjoy this series

[@Und3adNation4L]

Not very mechanically inclined but we have a Ferguson to30 that’s very similar to the 8n. I’m going to guess either a cylinder wall or a piston is bad. Let’s find out!

[@robertkozlowski5666]

I think your vidio is very interesting I’m going to be doing a Ford 2000 1964 rebuild still runs but tired it’s amazing a lot of comments are from guys who watch how you hold a wrench and not what your doing keep up the videos lookin forward to part 2 thanks. Kozbilt

[@ianallen2]

1:30 in the video, I think it is a crankshaft shell bearing and pieces of either a crankshaft bearing or con rod mount bearing / shell. Now to the rest of the video. Edit: I never thought of the sleeves dropping and shattering. I have had a Renault 4 where number 1 piston was completely smashed and number 2 piston was only half there and the engine still ran, although very smokey. Never before have I seen or known sleeves drop before.

[@hillonwheels8838]

I was thinking either rod or main bearing but after you said sleeved cylinders that made complete sense.

[@michaelh5156]

Cylinder sleeve

[@keithnoneya]

Nice job look fwd to seeing it rebuilt and running. You can learn a lot from your viewers as many of them are professional mechanics. I learn from my viewers on my channel too. I agree with many of them use those box ends, breaker bars and deep sockets. You'll find the job goes easier on you, the parts and your tools. Thanks for a fun and educational video, thumbs up! Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya

[@Nf6xNet]

Wow, this video should be rated R for intense horror and gore! I was surprised to see such big chunks in the drain pan. I'm used to pretty small drain plugs on newer engines, and even the big drain plugs on the LDT-465 multifuel engines in my 2.5-ton 6x6 trucks have holes smaller than those chunks. I hope that block is salvageable.

[@hilltoprestoration]

I put a 263 straight 8 out of a Buick in my 8n. Had a bell housing adapter made, bought a junk donor tractor to lengthen everything by 14" including the hood. New factory radiator still had a problem cooling, electric fan helped, I ended up selling it at the Mecum Gone Farmin auction 4 years ago, don't know where it ended up, was a lot of fun though!

[@wayofthewordwow7574]

Enjoying this series

[@jamesrigler]

The block as well as new lines are readily available at adrian farm supply in tahlequah Oklahoma he has not only a ford salvage but nee parts as well

[@TheProjectHelpDesk]

7:25 You had a lot of play on that connecting rod too. I would definitely let a professional machine shop mic everything out. That crank probably needs to be turned and a new set of matched bearings installed.

[@monday850]

the crank is done for .

[@korvtm]

That reminds me way back in 1978 a young man who worked for me was servicing an Army Gamma Goat,noticed a little water in the center differential.Upon draining the diff.he found several Grade 8 3/8 bolts came out of the drain hole.They were the bolts that hold the ring gear to the ring gear carrier.Onlt time I ever saw that happen.

[@waynep343]

i used to work in an engine rebuilding shop back in the mid 90's. they are closed now. the boss fired the guy doing the boring and honing . while sleeving a straight six continental engine.. one that had been rebuilt many times before. he cut all the way thru the bottom steps on the block so the sleeves would be unsupported at the bottom. he also screwed up the bore size as the sleeves fell thru the block when the owner tried to install them. since we were not in the best area i stayed late with the boss while he bored and honed a bunch of blocks for the next days production. i had learned to bore and hone 15 years before in school but i had not done enough to take over this job position. i noted that when he set the dial bore gauge in the setting master that the indicator needle bounced as it came to a rest.. i stopped him.. it should not do that.. we looked carefully . the setting masters had divots in the end from the carbide balls rubbing them as they bore gauge was set in and readjusted perhaps 100+ times a day. when the sunnen rep came the next day.. he left his setting kit and took ours.. he said he had never seen so much wear before.. all of a sudden all the bore sizes were accurate again. this is probably what happen to this tractor block.. when sleeves get installed sometimes they get a high temp adhesive on the outside as they are pounded into place.. you probably knew the block was overbored for sleeves but now you know why it happens..

[@uppitywhiteman6797]

Comprehensive explanation, Thx Hope you got a raise. That was particularly important info for you boss, considering the business he was in.

[@luvr381]

So he fired a guy who got a job wrong because of faulty equipment?

[@waynep343]

@@luvr381 absolutely.. and it was his nephew also. i saw the nephew drop a 318 piston pin for a full floating application.. i ask if it had a bur on the end from hitting the concrete .. nah. i went on about my business.. he honed the heck out of the small end bearing and piston to get that damaged pin to fit. i did not catch it until the car owner came back with a double pin knock.. i knew what it was as soon as i opened the hood.. tore the engine out.. found the offending piston.. took it out.. put a new bushing in the rod.. new piston and pin.. a fresh set of rings on that piston and it was fixed.. the customer was crazy happy.. i was furious.. so i was glad to see him go. even though that ment more work..

[@luvr381]

@@waynep343 Oh, one of those guys, huh?

[@REDMAN298]

wayne p: good explanation. This subject hits a nerve. I dropped off my standard cylinders (`67 Hog) at the dealer, Pacific H.D. This was in 1973. They screwed up the bore to .060 in. over and they were off center. Then they ordered sleeves from the mainland and it took 30 days! They tried to get me to pick up the molested cylinders.

[@OkFixer]

I disagree with you sir....the worst thing to find in your engine is a termite colony. I found that in a VW engine I was trying to rebuild. Their waist, cellulose and moisture seized and rotted everything in that engine. I had to pound it apart...The only things remotely salvageable were the con rods and crank....even the magnesium case had holes in it...ha,ha,ha My next worse was 5 gallons of water in the crankcase and trans of my 45 model A John Deere.......had to inventively pound everything apart in that engine as well. Love tractors...great video Keep on keeping on.

[@etheroar6312]

Rod bearing on #2 looked a little loose too.

[@AzTrailRider57]

Yeah, I saw that too

[@MoosesValley]

Straight away I knew it was the cylinder liner .... but the devastation inside the engine was a shock. Keep all of the metal fragments in a big jar ... it will be a talking point for many years to come. Good luck with the re-build, you are on the right track.

[@donaldshimkus539]

Wow, I thought they shouldered the sleeves so that wouldn't happen. Wow.

[@calvinehlert4756]

it looked like a lot of #2 con rod play at the crank end when you wiggled the piston. by the way,any nerve damage in your left hand after removing the cyl head nuts?

[@stubs1227]

Granted I'm no mechanic but I've never seen anything like that. Have fun with that one Blake.

[@johndowe7003]

its a really easy fix tbh, you can get away with replacing it and thats it, dont really "need" a full rebuild

[@jeffreymurdock8366]

Ok seeing the size of the chunks in the oil pan I can see it isnt what I suspected but I concur with your comment it could be a cylinder liner.

[@dennisobrien3618]

Speaking from personal experience, the worst thing I have found was a lifter sitting in the big ripped-open gash in the oil pan, as oil and coolant were running on the ground. That's the result of a rod breaking and knocking the sides of the block out. Close second was finding a valve head embedded in the combustion chamber with a massive hole in the piston. Catastrophic failures are the worst.

[@taavey]

My 1940 9n was worse when I rebuilt it 30 yrs ago. Spent more on parts and machine work on the little thing than I did nn most race motors back then. Upside is it still runs as good today as it did right after its resurrection. These are fine old tractors!

[@hankschaffner2999]

I have a 1949 8n and have owned it over 25 years. Stay away from the super cheap after market parts for your rebuild! Buy the best carb, cooling system and ignition parts you can afford.The cheap parts are total junk and I have been taken a few times using them! BTY I love all of you videos! Hank Schaffner Flaherty, KY 40175

[@misplacedhillbilly7594]

Didn't venture a guess, though I could tell from the size of the initial pieces it wasn't bearings. I don't know much about tractor engines to be honest, didn't think about the cylinders being lined. But looking at the carnage that must have sounded AWESOME when those sleeves let go. 😬😖

[@johnclarke6647]

I know all about broken metal part in a rank case looks like. This past summer I built a Farmertec ms 361 kit saw. I did not realize the piston was not relieved properly and was kissing the crank counterweights at bdc. After seven tanks it ate its piston. I have rebuilt this saw with a new crank, piston and cylinder. I did check it to make sure the new piston was not hitting the counterweights. It is running fine, now and has cut a lot of wood.

[@chucker440]

Great mess. Can’t wait for next video

[@violet-kittychick]

Bugger.. part 2 of the tractor going to the doctor is not available yet and I sooooo want to see if you make it all better too!!

[@ronniewalker2881]

I've always watched your videos but when I hit the like button it does not show how many people have watch the video is their a problem I hope not keep up the good work Blake 😁

[@eaglegrip6879]

My theory is this: That engine was in the process of evolving into a diesel engine and those pieces found in the oil pan were merely left over from doing all that "evoluting." 😂

[@derekevans8266]

30 odd years ago I saw a very similar failure on two Massey Ferguson tractors 35 3 cylinder Perkins diesels within two weeks. They were the 3/152 engines with the chromehard liners. What happened in each case was the piston dragged the liner into the bottom of the crankcase breaking off the lip at the top leaving it with the head gasket. Because the liners are chromehard and not cast the don't break up and smash but buckle up like a big mushroom around the crank. The only was to get the engine apart was to cut off the conrod with oxy and lift the crank out. By coincidence I was actually delivering to the farm when one seized the engine had been running fine the stopped it for dinner and after dinner it wouldn't start, how strange is that.

[@dp.2766]

As a machinist I can tell you that the block can be bored, an custom sleeves made fairly easily. Somebody oversized the sleeve bores in the last rebuild. Also, a narrow straight knurl near the lip may help hold the new ones in place. Also, just 8 No .com has all kind of cool parts including blocks, etc.

[@GuyinWY]

Thank you! The problem I’m running into is finding a local shop that is willing to do the work. The only place I’ve found so far won’t guarantee anything and wants a $2k deposit up front. I may end up having to travel a few hundred miles to find someone I can work with.

[@dp.2766]

@@GuyinWY try just8ns .com in North Carolina they have remanufactured blocks for either side distributor, or front for 1450.00 USD!

[@dp.2766]

P.S. they also have electronic ignition kits.... Don’t hesitate to call them. They may move a little slow, but they will treat you right.

[@mikesomerville9821]

I am 3:41 into this video and my first reaction was cylinder liners, I am holding to that.

[@1112223333111]

6:23 neutral drop was here! Stuntman, what did you do?😱

[@stephengoodwin8594]

WHATS IT GOT!!!!

[@smoothbore4377]

Might be somebody "shimmed" some bearings.

[@Tom-uf2um]

Internal engine parts🤪 sorry, couldn’t help myself

[@Equiluxe1]

The old Leyland diesel engines had dry liners that were just a hand push fit and held in place by the cylinder head,they came out if you turned the engine over with the head removed.

[@matthewkaler823]

My ford looked like that when the sleeve shattered

[@JonDingle]

Just weld those old liners back together (being careful to match up the bits to make them original parts again) and then weld them into the block and it will be as good as new!

[@javieresquivel4601]

Looks like you're going to have fun rebuilding the 9n engine. Those pieces of metal look like main bearing pieces .

[@PlanetMojo]

I found a chunk of metal in the lower radiator hose while working on my Ferguson TO-20. Looks like zinc. Did they put zinc anodes in there the prevent rust back in the day? If not, I have random metal parts in my cooling system...

[@kenarnold9132]

Too wide to be bearings (at least that one big piece), so might be cylinder liner pieces. Holy Camolie! Just saw the pan! Liners!

[@benjaminkline4855]

That one needs two bottles of engine restore

[@darrenkastl8160]

Lol! Ya think? And handful of sawdust!

[@jessebaca2750]

Benjamin Kline lol 😂 good one ☝️

[@raybrensike42]

I'm no starship engineer, but my guess would be bearins….poor, poor bearins….or it could be #2 piston sleeve, and #3 also..

[@463ev]

looks like a sleeve. Does this engine have loose sleeves, if so they can be changed if they can be found.

[@txrick4879]

Can only imagine the racket it lt made when running .

[@tedwpx123]

Do you think it possibly severely overheated at some point or the machine work was that bad?

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

I've never seen such thin sleeves! It's popular to bore the Ford Flathead V8's 250 thousandths, 1/4"!

[@OneEye.]

Ran across some companies that make cylinder sleeves while at SEMA. What will need to be done now is over bore all cylinders. Then new sleeves ordered oversized can then be turned down on a lathe. Then bore inner for stock size.

[@themaxee08]

Just something I noticed but at 7:28 your rod bearing was way loose.

[@BarnyardEngineering]

I suspect the sleeves were loose from the get-go when the engine was last overhauled. Maybe a slip fit, but not a press fit like they should be. Eventually they hammered loose, then hammered to pieces.

[@donald1056]

Did you put any PB blaster/lubricants on the bolts - some work involved/money in fixing this engine - then it will be good and running

[@cowdudeable]

The worst thing to find in an engine? I was thinking along the lines of a rattlesnake.

[@ditzydoo4378]

If it's ferrous metal mostly a piston liner. If aluminum then most likely a piston skirt. Neither is the end of the world as long as the Block and Crank are intact.

[@newjerseybill3521]

Are oversize liners available for that engine?

[@skildude]

I noticed that the #2 crank bearing appeared to be gone or loose as well as the sleeves. I'd think the Crank is probably damaged as well from that.

[@camgnilpe9300]

that is a brilliant deduction skildude!

[@genedewitt3992]

I think it was some of rod or main bearing .... You could be right a cylinder liner also. something have hit cylinder liner.

[@violet-kittychick]

Little Miss Sobieski's verdict.. tractor engine is totally broken!! My first time seeing an engine taken apart :) Definitely not something I will ever do in my life hey but I might one day have a boyfriend who does this!!

[@mestupkid689]

I feel like it could be bearing material or piston skirts

[@colemichael7409]

Doug Anderson he did ask EVERYONE not just a few people he put his input in and your shooting it down your real smart eh got nothing better to do then to cause keyboard wars on yt

[@guy_incognito7538]

@@douganderson7002 dickwad

[@f1reater]

there are two different thicknesses of sleeves. if yours are the thin ones you can bore the block and put in the thick wall sleeves

[@chubbysumo2230]

its bearing material. Likely from either the main caps, or the connecting rods. Just had my van engine spit some at me. If the cam/crank/connecting rod surfaces are not badly scored, you can have them honed down and use larger oversized bearings to fill the gap. Its not an ideal situation, but its possible to rebuild it to working well again. Edit: the piston liners in these flathead engines typically floated, between a lower stop and the head, which meant they would be replaced as a "power pack", with the piston and sleeve honed to match. The sleeve floating up isn't unusual, its usually trapped by the head.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

The worst thing? The intake manifold bolt you were looking for is in the combustion chamber. Makes a funny noise when your start it for some reason. I started locking the shop door after that. My "good buddy" just happened to have a running replacement for sale.

[@trondwell13]

so i thought the sleeves were held between block and head so how are they out?

[@Joe78751]

Will you be able to get parts! I look forwaed to seeing what you do to repair or replace this engine!

[@rickb1973]

Jeez, imagine what the poor thing sounded like when it was chewing up those sleeves.

[@bartjuhhh6416]

My grandfather got a 8n 12 years go and we had a shot valve but when we rebuild the valves iT always ran, sadly we dont have him anymore