The Wind Waker: New Barrier Skip Setup (Bomb Push Method)

[@shakkar23]

Can't wait for the TAS to just run toward the almost impassable barrier, and drop a bomb to clip through it

[@viviblue7277]

Shakkar tas does not need to the barrier just doesn’t load for tas because it has perfect rng

[@Wuerschtle]

@@viviblue7277 the barrier doesnt just not load by chance, you need to overload and corrupt the memory for the barrier to not load, which takes a lot of time. This setup cuts all that off.

[@wi1dcard192]

@@Wuerschtle I think you missed the joke

[@hyxost3997]

Wuerschtle this is true, but TAS can also use these memory manipulations to skip cutscenes, so TAS will still do kt the other way

[@wi1dcard192]

@@mailliw94 that's so incorrect a statement that I don't think it can even pass for ignorance- who believes a barrier preventing you from accessing the end of the game has a chance to randomly not load in? It's obviously just sarcasm

[@jaydenpaulus4423]

This feels much more like the barrier skip we always imagined.

[@superbad8008]

This is so precise and convoluted that it almost seems like satire.

[@honeydarlinggaming9156]

That's speedrunning in general lets be honest. "You see this rock? I'm going to roll onto this rock three times to unload the gate that blocks the boss room."

[@FlamingZelda3]

I honestly didn't think it seemed too precise. It's an early setup for sure, (and will most definitely be simplified), but it's a great place to start. Right now It's about as complicated as some OoT setups, you just use the camera, rolls, backflips and sidehops, and items to get link in the right position/angle and then clip through whatever.

[@frisolaxod3835]

@@FlamingZelda3 for someone not used to speedrunning that also sounds ridiculous, it's just that people just don't say anything about it since, well, it is a speedrun.

[@viktorg6823]

@@FlamingZelda3 I'm pretty sure the OP didn't criticize the video but merely stated how they felt after having watched it.

[@CaptainOcelot42000]

Just like ACE lol

[@Aviyara]

Man remember when Barrier Skip was the holy grail of speedrunning Then this guy comes along and gives us step by step instructions for not one but TWO methods Go back to ASMR videos Gym you're making us all look bad here

[@ToonersUWU]

I still remember cosmo saying this would never happen

[@Coder-zx4nb]

@@ToonersUWU Wellllllll cosmo kinda lost his sanity so....

[@XxRaceRCxX]

@@Coder-zx4nb he got consumed by the soy

[@SumeaBizarro]

@@ToonersUWU cosmo sacrificed to speedrunning gods and we got all the barrier skips. ALL THE BARRIER SKIPS. "What did it cost?" Cosmo

[@seerai-42]

@@Coder-zx4nb can you not misgender her? sheesh have some respect

[@ItzFluffyex]

Okay so first barrier skip was dropping meatballs, pulling hooks, doing these precise superswims across islands, and (optional) leaf to unload barrier. Second barrier skip is bomb disjoint. Yeah that makes sense.

[@FlamingZelda3]

actually before the grapplehook meatball route, the original route had you pulling out the hookshot about 700 times.

[@DirtL]

@@FlamingZelda3 lmao

[@shinobu3617]

How did they find that one first!? xD

[@ItzFluffyex]

@@FlamingZelda3 oh yeah forgot about that one. However, I guess it falls into the same "actor manipulation" or "memory corruption" glitch that Linkus showed in GDQ2020.

[@michael_betts]

@@shinobu3617 they needed to corrupt a certain amount of memory. They found that they had to remove a specific amount of memory, and just came up with better ways to do it. The new route does it through a bunch of different things like loading islands and pulling hooks. The original just brute forced the amount of memory needed via a slower but repeatable method.

[@SariatheFrostMage]

"The barrier skip is the holy grail of speedrunning." So all you do is roll into the barrier just right, turn the camera here... pull out a bomb, aaaaaand... boop! There ya go, right on the other side.

[@Extramrdo]

Once you've sipped the Water of Life, the grail's no more useful than any other cup.

[@CyberGamer1539]

@@Extramrdo underrated reply

[@scotttheoreo9217]

it's crazy that it took years to find barrier skip and now we have multiple methods.

[@castonyoung7514]

I'm not sure this is real. I mean come on, who would even still be trying to find a skip once one has been found? (I'll believe it when Summoning Salt says it.)

[@nixel1324]

@@castonyoung7514 By the time that guy finishes collecting history and footage, there will probably already be a more consistent setup. Heck, at this pace there'll be a new _method._

[@GikamesShadow]

18 years later and speedrunners still find ways to break games even easier I am honestly just... speechless... In a good way lol

[@TheWTFcakes]

As cool as actor unloading is, and as excited as I was that barrier skip was real - it didn't FEEL real. This scratches the itch from what I remember of the barrier skip theorycrafting, and man am I excited again

[@castonyoung7514]

Really, cuz I was questioning the legitimacy of this skip, not the other one.

[@TheWTFcakes]

@@castonyoung7514 yep! The community had been looking for a skip with existing glitches for a very long time, so it's satisfying to know that it was in fact possible without a new glitch.

[@windturbine6796]

Time for Wind Waker to be even more broken! Can't wait for the day where link just wakes up past the barrier.

[@Male_Parent]

Wrong warping would be crazy if it was discovered even if it was a wrong warp to only 5 islands that'd be crazy. Skipping having to super swim

[@Walter_]

The year is 2050 and speedrunners are using the barrier as a hoverboard.

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

WW has the BiT (Back in time) glitch just like SS and TP. Wonder if that will be used one day 🧐

[@michaelfellner9822]

2016: Do a bunch of random shit to Clip through the barrier 2020: Just drop a bomb

[@FlamingZelda3]

More like: 2016: Barrier skip is, and will always be, unequivocally impossible 2020: Just drop a bomb

[@Ven_de_Thiel]

William Taylor dont forget the “prevent stuff to load by doing the same action 700 times” step :D

[@sheriffaboubakar9720]

Michael Fellner Waiting for someone to use this meme to talk about how the US bombed Japan in WW2.

[@jackclifton5434]

You’re telling me that we’ve been looking all this time for a damn bomb clip? Edit: holy shit this is complicated

[@gerg905]

Haha this is the best before and after I've seen on KZbin

[@pootie3181]

that''s so funny to me that it just pops him through all the craziness for barrier skip and then now, it's just boop I DID IT

[@MapleMilk]

The Barrier Skip used to be like finding a shiny pokemon in gen 3 now it's like finding a shiny pokemon in gen 6

[@16BITinsanity]

That’s actually very accurate

[@9manny99]

Too accurate

[@TheEssentialHughJazz]

Except for that gen 3 skitty rng manipulation that got you a shiny way more consistently

[@_DinoHat_]

What you mean is: it used to be like finding shiny Pokemon in gen 1

[@MLennholm]

This is very significant, it's not just another way to do barrier skip. While the previous method circumvented all the things that were said to make getting through the barrier impossible, by simply getting rid of the barrier all together, this actually gets through it, proving those claims wrong. Finally, we can truly say that Wind Waker has been broken!

[@fernando98322]

So, the TRUE Barrier Skip (WW) has finally been found... The Holy Grail... we in there

[@wizardsummoner9124]

TWW already had a Barrier Skip, check kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3evfqGshbKir7M

[@WannabeMarysue]

This rules, but I'm also gonna miss watching the wild actor manipulation.

[@LucasWills]

Actor unloading is still faster because of cutscene skips.

[@Male_Parent]

@@LucasWills also faster because you don't need to get bombs til after the barrier. Edit: read comment below :) it could possibly be faster to do the corruption strat but very close between the 2.

[@loganhay4082]

Facehunter2003 it saves about a minute from not needing to do the set up and another minute from not super swimming to corrupt the data. Then another minute from not needing to reload the barrier. But then it gains a minute from getting bombs then another minute for set up and another minute from cutscenes so it'll be pretty close between the two of them. I feel like the old way will be slightly faster tho.

[@Male_Parent]

@@loganhay4082 ah alright. It's also a hell of a lot safer than doing the corruptions and hoping to remove the barrier in like 1-5 trys. :) Another cool thing is it's not exclusive to the Japanese version (I think)

[@loganhay4082]

Facehunter2003 yeah it is nice that the new method can be on any version and eleminates a majority of the rng in the run. It'll be cool to see if any runs with it can beat the old times. It'll be close.

[@MrCheeze]

barrier skip is pretty great and all but angles in decimal make me cry

[@josephBo]

but, BEYONCE HAD THE BEST SPEEDRUN OF ALL TIME

[@charlottebiscuit4133]

well done you've successfully unspeedcucked the entirety of the windwaker speedrunning community

[@mrkillasnayke]

2020 has been marked for a 2019 pt2 for all 3D zelda games (Minus TP of course), As we get Barrier skip pt2.

[@smokyprogg]

ACE for OoT Moon Warp for MM Barrier Skip pt2 for WW It's a new era, lads!

[@Blubididar]

@@smokyprogg I dont know anything about speed running, what is ACE?

[@jsax01001010]

@@Blubididar Arbitrary Code Execution. Basically, from within the game you can write code that you can then force the game to execute. The new fastest any% route now writes code that sets the cutscene ID to the credits thus winning the game.

[@jeffreymedvick6541]

@@Blubididar Arbitrary Code Execution. Ocarina of Time Speedrunners have recently found way to make the game load the end credits before even beating Gohma. I felt this video explained it pretty well kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZW1e4p6gMdoeNE

[@FlamingZelda3]

TP will have its time... ...In 2024.

[@HalfDuck]

"...You can just CLIP through it? You can just clip through it."

[@GodOfThings]

The sheer insanity that goes into some of these techniques is impressive and a little scary.

[@ZabZabZabie]

Linkus: "its impossible to beat that record" "Or is it?"

[@videlvasq]

im no speedrunner, but ever since i started watching WW runs and learned you could clip into walls with bombs, i wondered if it could ever be utilized for the barrier. very cool!!

[@IkeSMB]

Videl Vasquez You’re probably thinking of ledge clipping (having a bomb push you into a wall while you’re hanging on a ledge). That can’t be used at the barrier because the ledges on the bridge cannot be grabbed. This method of clipping is completely different!

[@fotisk5137]

YOOO I WAS JUST WATCHING THE AGDQ RUN this is so dope!

[@PittsburghSonido]

*Gym finds new Barrier skip method Everyone: “LETS GOOOOOOO”

[@Komali09]

Tony H He didn’t find it but yeah

[@PittsburghSonido]

Komali Yeah I watched the video.

[@totaldestruction152]

Secular Talk and speedrunning videos? Nice.

[@PittsburghSonido]

Total Destruction I’m all over KZbin as you are :) Hopefully you don’t find me on a couple Hentai channels...

[@thething1110]

I remember losing my mind when I first did the barrier skip, now there's two at a time!

[@KetsubanSolo]

This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!

[@TrulyNaN]

That's tutorial level explanation. I could actually teach myself the trick with that. Thank you, Gymnast!

[@sagacious03]

This sounds like it could be a bit of a runkiller, if it's so difficult/complicated. But at least it's not completely RNG dependent like other stuff. Still, super interesting to hear about!

[@demilad225]

Wait, does this mean we don’t get Counting: The Speedrun anymore?

[@LuceBee]

We can count the dry rolls!

[@eski___7435]

The way that 3D zeldas have been glitches in the past year really makes me think I’ve entered some parallel universe. This shit is WACK (in the best way)

[@crazygamer4260]

I don't even speedrun but I just love watching your videos explaining how to do these things.

[@Blackmagechow]

Gymnast really is the Albert Einstein of Zelda

[@T3hKa5]

Nice work. I can't imagine how much time this took to figure out. Someone get this man a trophy.

[@LavaLamp_]

I never Imagined barrier skip would be possible, now it's possible in two ways on both versions... What a time to be alive

[@xamfam]

this is fascinating and I love watching new discoveries like this

[@hata1499]

This is one of these glitches where people looked for a tree inside a forest. It was SO OBVIOUS in front of our eyes. Insane... we don't even need to do Memory Allocation Glitch anymore Looking forward for next WR

[@Wuerschtle]

how is this obvious? its a very complicated setup, not just running against the wall and throwing a bomb. It requires multiple frame specific inputs, so of course it wasnt found that quickly.

[@wompastompa3692]

It's obvious in that people have theorized it for years. TrogWW even wrote a script to try and brute force it back in 2017. It's specific enough that you really need all the stars to align. TrogWW's script was guaranteed to fail simply because, among other things, he tested at 52.0 speed instead of 52.7.

[@hata1499]

@@Wuerschtle I mean we have all the tools to do crazy analysis and we termed the barrier strong and unpassable tried flying over it, getting under it and ultimately unloading it... That there was a way to just get through it is insane. Its also symbolic for our lives. Every barrier can be overcome with enough perseverence.

[@Wuerschtle]

@@hata1499 all the tools to do crazy analysis won't help you if you dont even know exactly, what you are looking for, which i would also consider good life advice ;)

[@9manny99]

Wow what a time to be alive. We finally have a good ole fashion bomb skip 🥳

[@Darkian1314]

This is fucking amazing, I was just watching that MM Ace is also now a thing, then this happens Too bad it's a frame perfect thing, but still

[@linklinksson6885]

Bruh I dreamt about this before I saw it gymnast is breaking into my dreams now

[@RoseBleueDuRosierSec]

Another of your informative videos to watch with my morning coffee! Thanks!

[@worldsboss]

Took years to discover barrier skip, now two methods come along within a year!

[@SuperSavajin]

Does this mean we are not counting anymore :c

[@Nashi_likes_games]

Can't wait to see your next Any%, hoping to see this skip setup applied!

[@DarkIzo]

not even interested in zelda runs but still appreciates this i love progress like this

[@barretthoven]

How the hell did someone find this did it just happen to work if so that’s the best luck i’ve ever seen in video games

[@loganhay4082]

Lorash with all the other clipping in the game people have always tried clipping through the barrier. On HD it happened and people immediately used emulators to test exact values until they found out the and and speed needed. I'd assume they just kept testing different methods of pushing link around the angle used in the HD barrier skip. But there was still luck involved ofc

[@loganhay4082]

Barreethoven I saw another comment saying they had a script constantly try different angles until it found the perfect one. Then it was just a matter of finding a viable set up.

[@alpal764]

I have a serious question that might come off as a little pretentious, but.. how was this not found years ago? I know that people used to say this was the holy grail of glitch hunting and would be an impossible thing to do. WWHD had its own glitch, but it was thought WWSD would never get its own barrier skip until the overflow thing happened which seemed SO much more convoluted than this. This seems like it should’ve been discovered a long time ago. Like I said, I’m not trying to be rude, but I’m amazed it took this long.

[@Ashragi]

The specific angle is the same as the item slide setup. likely doesn't work at another angle.

[@gymnast86]

The precision necessary for this to work made it impossible to find without any sort of brute forcing. A script was recently able to finally find a potential solution after multiple days of continuous brute forcing. The script idea was revitalized recently, as it had been tried years ago. However, TrogWW (who made the script the first time) realized it had an incorrect speed parameter at some point and that's why it didn't find anything back then.

[@alpal764]

gymnast86 wow, I had no idea there was anything that could run a script to figure something like this out! I’m excited to see how the run is going to change after this is all optimized.

[@mytiliss682]

This glitch is frame perfect, no wonder

[@TheOfficalAndI]

Can't wait to try this out. Since i am still bad with ss consistency, this is great :D

[@Orpheolus]

A true Renascence for Zelda Speedruns. In around a 24 hour period both OoT any% broke sub 10 and an easier [least it seems] method for barrier skip discovered. TP is the last zelda game to have a major revolutionary skip to be discovered into a run.

[@ZabZabZabie]

From memory dump to bomb push... perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[@ThoughtSpinnr]

"SKIPPING PAST THE BARRIER IS IMPOSSIBLE" -Everyone, 3 years ago Today: Yeah man just drop a bomb and you'll go through

[@ARavingLobster]

Wow this seems really complex and honestly borderline impossible to do consistently in a live run. I'm sure someone will have it mastered by the end of the week!

[@AzzieEquinox]

Twilight Princess absolutely needs to be broken this year. There have been major breakthroughs in OOT, MM, and now WW.

[@theHusky2490]

WW x2

[@Adriano991b]

Can't wait to see it in GDQ

[@VampirewthBraces]

If we tasked speedrunners with solving any world crisis, I’m sure they could handle it in no time at all.

[@resultedchutoy3353]

You know..... After reading and watching so many videos on how barrier skip is impossible, going through all the possible yet impossible "methods" to hypothetically skip the barrier, then some mad lad literally had to break the game to skip the barrier, now we arrive here, after 18 years: JuSt DrOp A bOmB

[@supersylveonplushgaming]

After all these years the original windwaker finally breaks

[@DavidJCobb]

Cool stuff! I'd be interested to see videos on how people thought of this and figured out a setup.

[@pendalink]

this feels so... right

[@nachovennedictus6492]

I was just watching one of your videos when this came up! Gosh

[@JosepiThe13th]

The most important thing to take away from this video: This strat now means we can have Pausa back.

[@QuestionableLogic_]

I don't know why this is in my recommended but dope

[@SaffyJK]

Omfg i cant believe it!!! Iconic

[@XxiTz5mUrFxX]

2020 just started nd we already finding monumental glitches

[@AwesomLP]

Big Love

[@deanmachinespeedruns5590]

gym is actually my hero

[@mageius]

Gotta love new tech

[@cartermurphy1618]

This is incredible

[@funky555]

not even a speed runner but even im exicted

[@DavrK]

2020 is the year of Zelda speedrunning

[@ItzFluffyex]

The year is 20XX, all speedrunners are spamming pause, for they are unable to flick the joystick. Link is able to roll through the two barriers, Puppet Ganon is entirely skipped.

[@4203105]

So getting bombs doesn't lose so much time that this is slower than actor unloading? Well I'm really looking foreward to runs with this. Really interested in what the route will be.

[@gymnast86]

This saves a lot of time because we can skip collecting the tingle tuner, bottle, and grappling hook since we don't need to perform Actor Unloading

[@4203105]

@@gymnast86 Won't skipping graple be a big problem after puppet Ganon? But I'm sure you have a solution. Can't wait to see it. :)

[@Pathfinder3877]

2 years ago skip was impossible, now we have multiple ways to skip it

[@jchorsky3259]

I'm no speedunner, but, when you're spinning the camera around, would it not be easier (albeit slower) to pause buffer each frame and count them to get the right timing consistently? visual cues seem difficult to use when you're looking at 1 frame rapidly, or when you're spinning the camera around quickly. great glitch hunting anyways!

[@Woodledude]

Keep in mind this is meant to be done both consistently *and* quickly. A method that achieves only one will eventually lose to any that do both. It would likely be difficult and, to a seasoned speedrunner, slow and unecessary to pause buffer dozens of times to get a skip with 100% consistency if they can get even 50% using a faster method.

[@jchorsky3259]

@@Woodledude oh ,ok that makes sense.

[@azer67]

You would need to pause buffer over 35 times because no frames between pulling out the bomb and the frame in the video works, so that is not an option

[@jchorsky3259]

@@azer67 ok, was just curious.

[@melody3741]

Does this remind anyone else of the SpongeBob bubble episode? "First you do this, and this and this and this"

[@sativa2swag]

ur tellin me we coulda done this the whole time

[@xCheeseHead95x]

Has Linkus given you his soul yet gym? Because recompense is required.

[@nickthethicc]

What is this, the third version of barrier skip we’ve discovered?

[@romajimamulo]

Yes, second on SD

[@natejanisse5745]

wow great video as always gym

[@onemannation8116]

i just witnessed history

[@GrotesqueGuac]

I kinda wanna know why something positional like this wasn't discovered before a method that requires shooting bilions of arrows.

[@PanTerror90]

Technique! Technique! Technique!

[@Elite_Teach]

Give this man a million rupees

[@hungryhippowdon7141]

Yay! No more memory fragmentation!

[@MLennholm]

What happens if you try to go back through the barrier?

[@CompanionCube]

even if it‘s not faster for TAS, somebody should make a clip of a TAS just walking through the barrier. you know, just for the sake of it

[@NoArtisticLimitation]

12:30 - what about the bottom bricks on the wall? The one on the left side is more or less against the side of the screen, and the one on the right side is just to the left of the screen.

[@dandaisuki9224]

Great! Nice work :)

[@Benjrun123]

The REAL barrier skip

[@soda_j]

this is so cool

[@kitschulz9073]

So which barrier skip method is faster for any%?

[@wiiztec]

The fuck? nearly decades without a way past the barrier and it ends up taking some crazy memory overflow to crowd out the memory needed to define the barrier and then shortly after it's found that you can just clip through with a bomb?

[@destinygalearies7382]

Thumbnail video length: 13:37 Nice.

[@themafiaguru]

I DEED IT

[@garorade]

Idk seems familiar but I have t been an active speedrunner for like many years and when I was only interested for a week

[@fridaynightspreadsheetfun]

what

[@MattPryze]

How did you perfectly get to 16384 at the start? And why is it necessary when you line up the window later?

[@warburner87]

2:07 by targetting the wall next to the barrier. the point of targetting the wall at first is to make it so you have a consistent starting point to be able to pause buffer camera turns for the same number of frames every time to be able to sidehop left into the about 15 rolls to get into the correct X and Z position with the correct angle so that the rest of the setup actually works. if you are not in the correct spot, lining the camera up with the window will not give you the correct angle for the bomb to be able to clip link through the barrier. 16 units for link's facing direction is incredibly precise

[@MattPryze]

@@warburner87 I wasn't aware that targeting a wall angled you directly to it

[@Whurlpuul]

Ohhhh shittttt nice one

[@ivangold9218]

nice man!

[@princesspumpkinpanty]

I thought it was a cone shaped barrier. There's no other side of the cone to go though after the first one?

[@tamorin991]

what would i be doing wrong if im finding myself bonking when trying to dry roll. My angle seems correct from the previous steps but i cant do this part. Any suggestions?

[@edward.mp423]

Yeet time to watch people break new records

[@MrRobotVPN]

yet*

[@edward.mp423]

@@MrRobotVPN bruh get outta here with the grammar bs it also wouldn't even make sense to put in yet into the sentence.

[@edward.mp423]

@@MrRobotVPN Yeet Yeet is a versatile word that can be used as an exclamation, a verb, or even a noun. As an exclamation it can be used to express excitement, usually happily but also nervously.