Are these skills “too much”… even for Simone Biles? 🐐

[@cassenav]

Simone’s athleticism and creativity has changed gymnastics so much! I’m also loving seeing other gymnasts play around with new skills. Like suni’s jaeger full, shilese’s stalder nabieva, Zhang’s clear hip nabs…. Really just such an exciting time to watch gymnastics ❤️❤️

[@vbsdb11]

I agree!!!? ❤🎉❤

[@rasputinputin9409]

Darling this double pike was called Yurchenko double pike!!! She did it in 90's..... Basically more than 30 years before Simone!!!! This is just another dirty propaganda from the US- one reason why they renamed this double pike is because she is American and another one , because she is black....

[@christineplaza3599]

Oh my god, the double layout double back tuck combo ! 😮

[@vbsdb11]

That would be amazing if she can put that on the floor as her opening to her floor routine!!!!

[@darknessrulez-de4lv]

honestly I hate fig for not giving her skills the rating that she deserves. the double double on beam clearly should be an I or even a J, but its as if shes getting punished for OTHERS not being on her level? its not her fault shes the goat

[@christa-ccb]

Well said. I agree.

[@Victoria-iu5sb]

Disagree. The full twisting double tuck dismount is actually over-rated, so the double twisted has the correct rating. It can only be performed in combination with the round off or back handspring, so it would get an automatic connection bonus anyway. To be honest Simone is treated far better in terms of her skill ratings than other gymnasts. The Yurchenko double pike is a case in point: it's absurd that it's rated 0.4 *higher* than the Produnova, which remains the hardest vault in WAG. And it would be 0.6 higher than the Yurchenko triple twist, which is so difficult it's never been successfully performed. The Biles 2 on floor is the same, benefiting from the over-valuing of the Silivas. It's very entitled to be complaining about this one skill where the rating isn't as high as she'd like. If you *really* want to talk about undervalued skills, then talk about front tumbling like the Dos Santos 2, or twisting like the Maldonado.

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

@@Victoria-iu5sb UTTER RUBBISH! Simone is practically doing a Silivas on BEAM WITHOUT the AID OF A SPRUNG FLOOR. How in the world is that over-rated? If these skills are as easy as you wish to make them, why is it that NO OTHER WAG has ever done them in competition? It has taken 10 LONG YEARS before we have seen the BILES 1 on floor competed by someone other than Simone. The Produnova vault that you rate so highly has been competed MANY TIMES by at least 3 other gymnasts than the creator herself but not a SINGLE WAG has competed the Biles 1 on vault since it was debuted in 2018. Every extra twist, turn, spin someone makes is adding difficulty to a skill and rightly so because it IS HARDER to do so. Not because Simone seems to do some skills easily means that it is actually easy and any poor sap would understand that. Simone is not 'benefiting' from ANYTHING. FIG undervalued her double double off the beam and they have acknowledged that. Who the hell are you to say otherwise?

[@poshbo]

​@@Victoria-iu5sbAgreed (though there's no CV for beam dismounts, only SB) on FX a back triple twist, tuck full in and double front tuck are all E rated. I know vault isn't totally the same as FX but still, it makes no sense that the Yurchenko tuck full in has rated so much higher than the Yurchenko triple twist or Produnova (which should actually be the highest DV vault of the three)

[@murasakino101]

​​​​@@Victoria-iu5sbjust because other skills don't have the value they deserve doesn't mean her skills are overrated. There have been many gymnasts who attempted the produnova in competition while no one other than Simone has done the YDP. Even Maroney trained the tuck version but it was never done before the piked version was submitted. Also how is the double double off beam easier just because it's done in combination? It's difficult to get enough height on the full in let alone a double double. Just because it's been competed a lot in the past doesn't make it easy. No one even competes it now other than Simone. Guess you want the fig to devalue even more skills gymnasts rarely perform just because they're "overrated" in your opinion Edit: the triple twisting yurchenko is by no means easy, but the main reason it hasn't been competed is because it isn't worth it. There have been several gymnasts that have trained it so it's very possible but not worth the risk

[@cassenav]

The DLO double tuck combo is insane

[@alexi8741]

The yurchenko full twisting double tuck is basically a Ri Se-Gwang (the hardest vault in men’s gymnastics) with a more difficult yurchenko entry. Like it would literally be the hardest vault ever competed by a man or woman besides the triple front which was instantly banned.

[@poshbo]

In WAG a yurchenko entry is considered easier than a Tsuk entry. In MAG it's the opposite

[@poshbo]

@@alexi8741 no, under the COP for WAG Tsuk entry vaults are considered harder and have higher difficult values, that is a fact. For example, a Yurchenko double twist is 5.0 while a Tsuk double twist is 5.2, a Yurchenko 2.5 is 5.4 while a Tsuk 2.5 is 5.6. it's all in the COP

[@SquirtlePower809]

​@@poshboI don't think he is arguing with the point value. We are talking about what is ACTUALLY more difficult and not just by what the code says.

[@alexi8741]

@@poshbo yeah I mean im not denying the COP but you need a huge block for any double salto off the vault which makes yurchenko doubles harder than tsuk doubles

[@poshbo]

@@SquirtlePower809 the COP doesn't always get things correct but on Tsuk vs Yurchenko entries, it is correct. The roundoff in Yurchenko vaults helps women generate power and allows a full backwards entry onto the table. With the Tsuk entry women have to rely much more on upper body strength, which they have proportionally much less of compared to the men, and it involves a late half turn which is difficult to control (though they can do a quarter turn with the Kas technique for twisting vaults but not for double saltos). It's clearly more difficult for women to complete the same number of twists and saltos with a Tsuk entry than with a Yurchenko entry. Back in the 2004 quad and earlier, gymnasts like Zamo and Annia Hatch did both a Tsuk double twist and a Yurchenko double twist; their Yurchenko one always looked much easier and in team finals where they only did one vault they always did the Yurchenko. It's also why so few women today do Tsuk vaults and almost every woman does a Yurchenko vault, it's harder to generate height and power with the Tsuk entry. In MAG it's the opposite, the vaulting table is higher and MAG places far more emphasis on upper body strength and male gymnasts have proportionally more of it, so Tsuk entries are easier and more common while Yurchenko entries are hard and rare

[@ShelleeGraham]

The double layout, double tuck combination is very viable for her floor exercise routine!

[@carlabrowne3011]

I believe all of them Simone is capable of doing all she has to do is put her mine to it and it is done. I cane not wait to watch her and the other girls from the USA team.❤❤❤🥇🇺🇲

[@Lovebirdd]

Honestly, it is so depressing and infuriating for the fig to not rate skills appropriately. The "safety" concerns should not necessarily be their job. If someone CAN do it, they should be rewarded for it. How the hell is the sport going to progress if the fig holds back anything innovative and challenging due to "safety concerns????"

[@Katelovesanimalsmost2134]

Thanks for making this ❤The dlo dismount is probably the only unrealistic one. Just being honest. Its insane that she can even attempt it in the pit though what a boss❤❤ The dlo to double tuck for sure She could def pull off a triple back on floor and Pike !I would love to see her do a triple back dismount on bars . For the vault, in this video she is hardly even tucking and still pulling it off . If that position got tighter , I think its possible. 📢GOAT GOAT GOAT ❤❤❤

[@RGisOutOfOffice]

Just watching these videos, I'd be so stoked to see the Biles III on vault in the very near future

[@nassaj8082]

This Olympics If she came with that new Vault, ended her Floor with the double layout double tuck, and a triple double dismount on Bars!!!!GAGG

[@madreep]

Simone does things that others don't for the sole purpose of challenging herself, so I don't think that anything is off the table as long as her safety isn't compromised. I don't see her competing any of those skills unless they are given the rating that they're worth.

[@ryanokeefe7351]

I think she would be able to do the double layout double tuck if she had more room. The vault would be totally doable for her. That woman has abs on her everything! Pure power. I don’t doubt her abilities on any apparatus.

[@WanessaAgataNerd-wl9co]

A única palavra pra descrever essa mulher é MARAVILHOSA ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@AnnekaMorgan]

holy shit that DLO to double tuck is INSANE!!!

[@Victoria-iu5sb]

There should be a higher connection bonus for directly connecting >D+D skills. Like 0.4. The incentive could lead to some truly special tumbling passes.

[@capriciousstudent]

Incredible skills! But man, the FIG is something else. “We’re here to ensure the safety of athletes” so, purposely underscore a new skill that only one gymnast is capable of doing, and overlook the likes of Larry Nasser for decades. Got it.

[@sabinal17]

If that’s the case then there should be *no* restrictions on any stunts performed.

[@albarjas8360]

You're confusing FIG authority with USAG 🙄

[@capriciousstudent]

@@albarjas8360 USAG was definitely more culpable in the case of Nasser. That being said, in the past, the FIG didn’t take reports of systemic abuse seriously. Over the last few years, gymnasts from several different countries have come forward to detail their experience with this level of abuse in the sport. The FIG purportedly exists to “ensure the safety of athletes”, so at some point, one must ask what role the FIG played (or didn’t play) in keeping gymnasts safe from abuse.

[@hazelnutspred3348]

I think she should go for a triple twisting yurchenko

[@Katelovesanimalsmost2134]

Absolutely.

[@philiplieu3889]

Her amanar is already a work of art so a TTY is definitely doable.

[@kccrews]

with her issues of the twisties(she said in a recent interview it still comes back sometimes) i would rather see the double pike. but i think it'd be cool to finally see someone do it

[@Katelovesanimalsmost2134]

@@kccrews yeah . I don't think many sports fans understood the pressure she was under in Tokyo. She was literally expected to sweep the competition and bring home The team and ind gold Medals. I would imagine that this manifested itself into the twisties. Not to mention all of the abuse from Nasar and his case ..was also probably still weighing on her. I hope things are much better for her mentally now . If they are ..a TTy would be amazing . 🙂

[@jhere289]

She is something else. I especially love the double layout on beam! I feel she would've done it if she knew it could have a J or K rating! But FIG wouldn't dare

[@Katelovesanimalsmost2134]

I just dont think enough height can be generated off a beam to pull it off. It's just so insane. But if she did it definitely deserves a J rating . Maybe a z 😂

[@jhere289]

@@Katelovesanimalsmost2134 Yea lol

[@cosandraodame7623]

Wow, never seen any gymnasts in the world.Do what she can do.She's off the charts

[@emily.klenin]

Yeah, probably the yurchenko full in!!

[@FigureNastics]

The full twisting double on vault looked as if she could place the mat in and start working on the landing as she was already in an upright position before hitting the pit!! However, I don't see her doing any of these skills in competition due to the risks. Not to mention, the international federation will not give such moves the D rating it deserves.

[@andrewestrada9212]

The federation is a joke.. 'safety risk'? The sport is based on innovation and let's be honest, the FIG just put a glass sealing on Simone's potential, it's a shame but despite all that Simone is THE queen 👑

[@milli2315]

id love to see double layout+ double tuck

[@monaealldaway]

I know very little when it comes to gymnastics and I can't remember half of the flips that he named. However, asking/limiting/punishing her for exceeding and reaching her full potentiomal isn't right. I get there's safety standards. However, she has already proven she's capable of it. That's like asking a genius to dumb down for everyone else. I can understand safety concerns. However, everyone should know their limits. There can only be a number one. By all means, if someone wants to replicate or get on her need to practice, nonstop, but no one should ever limit their greatness. I definitely say take caution when attempting to do these moves (that even applies to Simone), but excel above the rest ❤

[@kl8062]

Probably more wise to focus on execution of the skills she already has at this stage of the game instead of training any of these for upcoming competitions, but it also wouldn't surprise even a little if we saw one or two of them this year (because it's Simone freakin Biles). Doubtful on the beam dismounts since they likely wouldn't be worth it, but the double layout to double tuck seems doable. Would love to see her get that vault to her feet as well - it's incredible just into the pit. All of these are incredible - competition ready or not.

[@patriciaharris1711]

Samone can do anything she puts her mind to. ❤

[@Velereonics]

You can see shes not getting enough height on the beam dismount. I hope she doesnt try that shit.

[@JaniceLThinker]

Simone loves the acrobatic side of gymnastics. She is a daredevil at heart. She's going to push her prodigious talents to the limit. Judges need to accept the fact that Simone Biles is going to do Simone types things. Its her way of leaving her mark on the sport. Judges should just grade fairly.

[@alissaburge6375]

How about the Yurchenko double layout and she will be first woman to do it on the vault like she did the Yurchenko double pike on the vault and highest value in women’s gymnastics. Simone Biles is a G.O.A.T. of gymnastics 🤸🏿

[@FkaRon]

What’s a Yurchenko double layout worth? Hypothetically speaking

[@chantaln6843]

She’s amazing 😊

[@gettingslim186]

they are all realistic

[@jessicadebernard8210]

I think the DLO double tuck combo is completely doable for her.

[@kbs8597]

To do these skills in practiced she has to be fully committed or risk injury. Women’s and Men’s gymnast will always continue to push the envelope to create harder more difficult skills in order to increase the point value of the routine.

[@francisnguyen6349]

I think Simone Biles is doing her double backward pike in vault.

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

women only started competing in Olympic level Gymnastics in 1928 less than 100 years ago and for much of it the competitors were older for example the most decorated Olympic Gymnast ever Soviet Larisa Latynina was 21 years old when she first competed in the 1956 Summer Olympics 25 in her 2nd Olympics in Rome 1960 and 29 in her 3rd Olympics Tokyo 1964 her birthday is 27th Dec 1934

[@appyguy]

I think she will stick with the same 2023 skills performed....there's too much chance for injury this close to Paris with these insane maneuvers.

[@colinfoley181]

I think you know she’s not going to be doing a double layout, double tuck ever. It’s clearly training. None of those seem believable as skills she would perform as she’s barely getting them around in a foam pit

[@lindamurphy3969]

I’d like to see her maintain her athleticism but work on sticking landings, better toe point and flexibility and more elegance in her floor routine. She’s an amazing gymnast but I feel like she’s prioritizing huge tricks over well rounded, traditionally beautiful routines. I think she’s capable of doing both.

[@user-cc6ic4xt9x]

My jaw literally dropped when I saw that yurchenko double 1/1, like you can’t convince me Simone isn’t a superhuman at this point

[@SquirtlePower809]

I think she could do any of these if she wanted to

[@Tswifter4ever]

If she has been stop practicing that triple on floor she can definitely land that

[@ismaelpedroza7918]

I think the floor combo is the more realistic ..but i doubt any of this skills will be performed... but i do believe she will come out with a surprise

[@SaraOrgana]

She could pull off anything. It all depends on which skills she decides to put the most energy into.

[@susanmastin4798]

She is AMAZING!!!

[@giuliabaracchi463]

Nothing seems to be impossible for her..

[@analia3254]

i love her

[@christophercox936]

I’m getting dizzy just following all that.

[@philiplieu3889]

How about a 1.5 double tuck

[@davfb8622]

No shade her triple pike look WAY better than Nagorrny’s

[@nelsonsmith5743]

I think it is laughable that the double back on floor is called the 'Kim.'

[@rasputinputin9409]

First woman who performed this jump was Yurchenko, that way it was called Yurchenko double pike!! In the past it was banned because it was too dangerous!!! Talking about Simone as first woman who did , because she did on the competition, while i told you the facts, is ridiculous and only another sirty propaganda from USA.... Plus why they renamed this jump,one of big reason is because Simone is black, and that way this propaganda have to be even stronger.... Plua Yurchenko did it in 90's so it's mean 30 years earlier.....

[@kellyl8534]

Simone is an athet and she gave womans gymnashtics a boost that it really needed.

[@AmusedChocolateStrawberr-si8rr]

Nothing is to much for Simon 😂

[@martinmabry5460]

Stick the landing and stay in bounds.

[@Jonnypear486]

I think Simone is pretty much at her maxed potential it’s just her form she has to work on

[@SquirtlePower809]

Not even close. We thought this back in 2016. And again in 2019. And she just keeps returning stronger each time with more skills.

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

@@SquirtlePower809 NOT EVEN CLOSE INDEED! You, I and everybody else will see that AGAIN when she competes.

[@DJcyberslash]

Bad take lol

[@rg1whiteywins598]

Those beam dismounts aren't happening any time soon. You just can't get rebound enough off the beam.

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

Some people initially expressed the same thought when she first started posting videos of her doing the double double off the beam but she proved that she could do it easily enough. Because of her height or lack thereof and the amount of power she generates off her back hand springs, doing these kind of dismounts are not improbable for Simone. However, because FIG undervalued the double double off beam she will not be motivated to compete most of these beam dismounts unless it is to etch her name in the books once again.