5 Undervalued Skills in Gymnastics

[@christinab812]

The E cap on bars is such a stupid rule. It’s like they were trying to get rid of any innovation on bars, and honestly, they kinda succeeded.

[@sktzn6829]

Capping one category of skills and not another category just funnels future gymnastics towards that direction. We're not seeing any new bars transitions for the next 10 years lmao

[@christinab812]

@@sktzn6829 I hate FIG, the Seitz is one of my favourite skills😭

[@Alina-xj7ho]

Also capping pirouettes. That's why almost every gymnast does a full turn of some kind and that's it. There's barely any variety

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

Couldn't agree more. For me FIG seem to be confused about how much they want the sport to evolve and as such are confusing the gymnasts themselves. It probably would be best and less confusing if they went back to the perfect ten system.

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

People complain that it’s too subjective, but it’s called artistic gymnastics not robot gymnastics.

[@EmilyNGymFan]

Honestly, the Seitz should be an F. Also, don’t forget the Biles beam dismount. That one was truly undervalued.

[@penquin402]

I totally agree with the Biles beam dismount.

[@knightenchanter7908]

+1. Biles beam dismount is completely underscored. The CoP needs revisions.

[@kharris2393]

So glad to see some love for the sheep jump! It's one of my favorite skills to see, so I've been a little sad it's pretty much disappeared.

[@karaamundson3964]

One of my favorites, as well as Switch Rings. SRs are very difficult & risky and are regularly downgraded too. D skill

[@murasakino101]

@@karaamundson3964 I'm surprised this wasn't on the list too. Switch ring being a D is criminal and some people actually agree with the rating since a lot of people perform them but they're usually not performed correctly. It has MANY form deductions and is very technical like the sheep jump so it should have stayed at an E smh

[@aldckenz]

Ikr!! I love she sheep jump! Especially when nastia does it! So difficult and elegant ❤

[@objetivista686]

Seems FIG is doing anything it can to make gymnastics boring/repetitive. Why not just give the 'most' correct value and move on? I suspect there are much more skills that are undervalued.. gymnastics today is value-seeking. I don't blame gymnasts when the code of points reward in that way.

[@deepeshmathuria]

I mean those ugly wolf turns come to mind

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

Love that you used Makayla Maroney's 3 1/2 on floor. She was so powerful and vastly underated as just a "vault specialist". She had the full package and in my opinion still one of the best ever. I didn't know that the UB scores were/are capped at an "E". Explains so much.

[@sporteverywhere]

Your videos are very informative.

[@nathanielhalls1893]

Aren’t the creators of this channel the same as yours?

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Yes, I just wanted to shout myself out 🥺

[@raemoriarty800]

Strange not seeing a checkmark next to your name.... you should have it!

[@lottamarie9197]

I love that you support yourself, should be more common! ☝🏻😅

[@gymstyle5091]

@@lottamarie9197 I agree your channel is amazing. Easily the best one out there but when you prop yourself up pretending you're different people it seems a bit weird.

[@caitlinweijers9060]

Pls do one with overvalued skills

[@macioamaral2888]

silivas silivas silivas

[@jackfellmy6845]

mikutz

[@caitlinweijers9060]

@@jackfellmy6845 what's that?

[@caitlinweijers9060]

@@jackfellmy6845 ahh thank you

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

Everyone and their mother throws in a couple wolf turns just for the difficulty rating

[@Ammiller5]

The sheep jump is crazy hard. Getting to that shape passively on the ground is super hard, much less actively, in a jump, and landing

[@lenakuhlcke2790]

I don't like the bonus for connecting a B-Element with a difficult dismount. Cause nobody would do a Dubble tuck with full twist without connecting it to a round off or a backhandspring

[@helgagymnasticlady7939]

The tuck position of Elena Produnova during her double front is very impressive. Think this is an amazing example for every gymnast

[@bagelized]

Hopefully casual gymnastics fans watch this video and realize that Simone’s skill is far from the only downgraded one.

[@afonsoaraujo6424]

Dos Santos I and Dos Santos II are both undervalued.

[@colesmith7509]

This video was really well done. The explanations were super descriptive. I would definitely make more parts. The 2/1 pirouette on bars (D), stag ring on beam (B), and piked double Arabian dismount on bars (E) are lesser known undervalued skills.

[@bluepanther1013]

I wouldn't say the piked double arabian on bars is undervalued.

[@VERAmenteAnonima]

I agree with you, not with code. Due to this undervalue, the sport loses variety. Thank you for this good video

[@martynkal.1248]

I love the way you explain things, thank you very much for a great video!

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Thank you so much 😊

[@karaamundson3964]

I found your breakdown of skills & the point system very informative. Definitely the Sheep Jump suffers on beam from riskiness, a low initial point value, and likelihood of deductions...I think the Switch Ring Leaps experience the same fate.

[@cherylberenice169]

It’s horribly unfair to downgrade the sheep jump bcoz it’s so well executed by the Chinese gymnasts

[@AshleyKarys]

I was wondering why I haven’t seen the Komova I in ages? It is one of my fave UB skills.

[@colesmith7509]

I think literally no one else has done it in competition. There’s just no reason to with the Chow 1/2 and Van Leeuwen

[@You-dh1du]

@@colesmith7509 Van Leeuwen is easier to do cleanly so most gymnasts will opt for it over the Komova I. Which I don't blame gymnasts since Komova literally had the best in-bar technique of any female gymnast.

[@colesmith7509]

@@You-dh1du I actually disagree to be honest. She had a very efficient inbar. There are others that do deeper inbars, so it's harder to do such a hard transition from it. Komova definitely had great form on those, but it wasn't the form the allowed her to do the Komova I

[@You-dh1du]

@@colesmith7509 uh, have you seen photos of Komova performing an inbar? She has the deepest pike position. Only gymnast I can think that comes somewhat close to her inbar position is Melnikova. Komova truly mastered inbars. In fact, performing the skill was probably easier earlier on in her career before her growth spurts. She could quickly bring her legs to her chest and her slim body honestly helped with her generating the transition from low to high bar. Sorry but I agree to disagree with you. I will agree that most gymnasts do not perform inbars properly. They don't really pike down like Komova, which I find unfair. Madison Kocian was an example of a gymnast who barely missed the bars with her toes while performing inbars. Honestly, though there's no point performing a Komova since it's objectively more difficult to perform well especially in combination, and it still does not have the proper difficulty value.

[@ragansmithgymnastics7782]

I would say yes the 3.5 is a little bit undervalued but I think that the Maldonado is much more undervalued because you can't get the momentum from the round off back handspring. I want to say 3.5 should be a G but then we would have more of Shang and Kara with the 3.25 twist into punch front which would be worth as much as a Moors, but the Maldonado should definitely be a G.

[@Griffw06]

Wait what’s a Maldonado?

[@sktzn6829]

@@Griffw06 front triple twist

[@Griffw06]

@@sktzn6829 thanks

[@nathan10120]

Pretty sure that Mao Yi is the only one that gets it all the way around,

[@Griffw06]

@@nathan10120 her and Maroney

[@raquelle7564]

Do over-valued skills next!

[@_youssef1989]

Yeah a 3.5 should for sure be a G. Gymnasts like ragan smith can do a double layout, but I doubt she could've done a 3.5

[@nathan10120]

The front triple should also be G

[@OuchingTigerLimpingDragon]

Very interesting! I had wondered why gymnastics looks quite different now to the casual observer when compared with the earlier eras, like 70s and 80s. I didn't realize that changing difficulty scores would tend to encourage some moves and discourage others. Fascinating!

[@goldwingedvic]

This skill is quite overlooked but how on earth is it justifiable that a Stag Ring Jump/Double Stag Jump is a B???

[@Hi-lo7im]

Right I can literally do a stag/double stag even though I’m not a gymnast or dancer any more 😭

[@goldwingedvic]

@@Hi-lo7im I actually meant it's undervalued and should be C lol. Ring skills require great back and legs flexibility, while also losing sight of the beam. The fact that a Stag Ring is as difficult as a Split or a Straddle jump doesn't really sit right with me, and being a C doesn't make it much more competitive either so it wouldn't be a big deal to give it a higher value.

[@Hi-lo7im]

@@goldwingedvic ring stag j7mp should be a c but a regular stag jump is an a right?

[@20031bibi]

@@Hi-lo7im im pretty sure it is

[@20031bibi]

right??? also considering the split ring being a d and the normal split being a b (and previously a)

[@colesmith7509]

The FIG is ridiculous. The 0.2 beam connection with dismounts is one of the dumbest things in gymnastics considering how they affect forward dismounts.

[@jackmatheson4671]

Agreed. 3 twists should be F & 3.5 twists should be G on floor.

[@nathan10120]

The double twist should be D, then so on from there.

[@lauraa.]

One of the more easy skills that is totally underrated is the Wolfjump 1/1. If I think about that all of these jumps like tuck 1/1 Horsejump 1/1 etc. Are all rated B in the 17-21 Cop its completely underated. And even in the new Code I feel like it still is compared to Tuckjump 1/1. Greetings from Germany ✌🏻

[@D_skeptic]

The way gymnastics is scored is absolutely bananas. I watch it pretty regularly and still get lost as to why they got a certain score. Hell, as fast as they move, its often difficult to discern what skill they even performed. I wish when the televised the competition they would show on screen what skills are performed and the announcers should talk a bit more about why something is scored like it is; instead of the vague overall impressions that they usually give or discussions of a gymnast’s history. The sport would have more consistent viewership and a larger fan base if a casual viewer had a clue what was happening beyond “holy shit, id break my neck if I tried that.” Lol

[@matthewhines9787]

I agree with all except the 3.5. I don't think the idea that a skill lends itself to certain kinds of form deductions (crossing ankles) should necessarily be a reason for a higher or lower difficulty rating. Different skills have their own predispositions to various deductions. For the DLO, that's lack of height, overarched or piked body position, lack of discernible body shape, flexed feet, low chest position. I don't believe the DLO is any easier because it's done more. I think the DLO is done more because double salto and the correct technique to get them is stressed earlier and harder in development. Therefore, developing sustainable twisting technique is common and that is what makes those types of skills less common. after a gymnast gets the back LO 2/1, they go directly into working a double tuck; not a 2.5 twist, and from the tuck they go to training the double pike.

[@nathan10120]

How about the Biles on beam? That’s probably the most undervalued skill in the history of undervalued skills.

[@caterina3902]

I think it's not that much undervalued, it's probably the full in (and the silivas on floor) that are overvalued

[@nathan10120]

@@caterina3902 yes but the full in is rated G, and there’s a rule in the code of points that says +0.3 for each full twist on beam, so it should be J, not H.

[@nmixx.changeupletsgo]

if they gave the dismount a fair rating, her D score would be 7.0 like damn..

[@caterina3902]

@@nathan10120 the problem is that the full in is overvalued imo. I think it should be a F (+0.1 than the double pike, as it is on floor), the double double should be fine at H. I've never found that rule in the code so I don't know, in my opinion the skill is valued fairly, maybe it should be 0.1 more but that's the maximum

[@caterina3902]

@@nmixx.changeupletsgo I actually think that they shouldn't give +0.2 cv for F+ dismounts, it doesn't make sense. I think the double double it's okay at H, maybe it could be an I but nothing more

[@shar-ky3736]

Front handspring 2 and 1/2 twist and triple twist. There is no justice there!!

[@srushtiapadival]

This was quite informative. Thank you!

[@GymnasticTips]

Great explanations!

[@Zion_44]

You forgot the biles dismount on beam which was greatly discredited by the FIG. Or are you saving it for part 2.

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Yes, I still have a couple skills I want to include. Thank you 😊

[@ericarichards8350]

I heard it was undervalued because they didn't want to athletes to attempt it and injure themselves. Which I guess I could understand but i don't think it's fair to not credit difficult skills. Coaches should have the responsibility of deciding if their athlete can attempt it. Not Simone. I believe she kept it in her routine anyway. Which I love

[@Zion_44]

@@ericarichards8350 agree

[@Sarah-wd6xr]

@@gymnasticsmasterclass It would be great to have a video about the new CR #2 on beam in the 2022-2024 COP. Now, in addition to turns, rolls and flares also fulfill this requirement. Additionally, credit is also given for Yurchenko loop type skills and side (log) rolls. Could you make a video about all of the non-turn skills that a gymnast could use?

[@kevinthunder3375]

@@ericarichards8350 some coaches can't be trusted to keep their gymnasts safe, unfortunately.

[@lydiabuercklin4646]

Also the Markelov! (Full twisting tkatchev)

[@nathan10120]

The markelov is kind of the opposite of a geinger. Beth Tweddle does it in her routine after the Ono. The shushunova is the full twisting Tkatchev.

[@asharadayne6159]

@@nathan10120 the Shushunova is a Markelov with a half twist. It's absolutely not a full-twisting Tkachev.

[@Pastyovercoat]

The COP is such a mess

[@knightenchanter7908]

FIG has successfully managed to clip off innovation from gymnastics tbh by underscoring so many skills especially the difficult ones. Now no one even tries to do them, I wouldn't put it past Biles to ditch doing them as well since she is not given proper scores for doing difficult skills. Some of the dance elements are also undervalued by miles. Triple turn for example is incredibly difficult but is underscored and nowadays no one even does it with the exception of Wevers.

[@reubenaceabayabay1990]

I’m an avid fan of your content. Could you please make a vid showing men’s skills and their direct counterparts in women’s or vice versa?

[@hmark29]

Ow things make more sense to me. Thank you so much.

[@paulypaali3780]

Add The Schaefer in part 2 ! It should be a F or G

[@foxtrotwhisky4061]

If the skill is dangerous to the gymnast, perhaps best to keep it undervalued, the Chinese and Russian gymnasts in particular are abused enough without being ‘encouraged’ to do more dangerous routines in search of more points. Maybe the double front tuck beam dismount could be upgraded as it seems no more dangerous than other dismounts and is harder to perform well.

[@robertonakazato8446]

Nobody: FIG: how can we make gymnastics worse?

[@blyssedbe]

I knew absolutely nothing about gymnastics moves or scoring systems before watching this, but this was explained in an approachable way! The comments are a foreign language though haha

[@jonspeidel]

I just wanted to see some cool flips but man... you are REALLY into gymnastics

[@JuliusGLlorando]

Yeah, your judgement is agreeable.Kindly include Biles dismount double-double on beam which is really underrated

[@jastohrr]

This is an amazing video. WOW

[@jastohrr]

the voiceover, the design, and everything else is so well one

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Thank you so much 😍

[@nicholasohren9644]

Agreed with all your points. I’ve never understood the reasoning behind these values. Like double double is an I but a 3.5 twist is an F??

[@Mhochul]

Mao Yi's 3.5 is so clean when she doesn't crash it. Kara's always makes me laugh because it's literally a triple twist to an arabian

[@nathan10120]

she's literally only crashed it once.

[@francisnguyen6349]

This videos 📹 is nicely done.

[@adamrjr6002]

The Komova is truly criminal. I mean, an inbar followed by a half twist to the high bar? Brutal, and really silly that it's only an E. IMO it should've been: Van Leeuwen, Khorkina: E Seitz: F Komova: G I also think the Okino (triple turn) and Wevers (double L turn) should be an F, as literally only one gymnast in the world is performing both on a regular basis (Sanne Wevers, also the inventor of the Wevers).

[@laurielynne2006]

I miss seeing double front beam dismounts!

[@valeedits7024]

3:41 figure skating vibes with the stolen quarter of rotation lol

[@geraldsonofgod]

You’re missing the Biles beam dismount…

[@Iauren-kl6yu]

I’m not an expert at all but personally I wish they’d downgrade the wolf turn so they’d stop putting it in like every routine😭😭

[@dominiccepe9891]

The Chinese does the Sheep Jump the best.

[@sarac.3568]

What is a dead hang deduction? I literally did not find anything on the internet ?

[@miguelaguilar2125]

4:23. 6 fingers foot?. I's this underrated?

[@saragrant9749]

Didn’t Elena Produnova do a double front dismount?

[@georgeb9285]

What about Carmona on rings rated F? It’s basically a Zanetti , witch is an F , followed by a maltese press to Inverted Cross which is an E . So an F + E = F

[@youtubeusername23]

Can you do more men’s gymnastics content

[@JoMomma]

If they don't regulate skill difficulty by undervaluing the skills that are potentially the most dangerous, then too many gymnasts will only train to execute more difficult skills (along with the added risk of injury) while neglecting to _perfect_ the basics.

[@suzettehenderson9278]

Are any of these being upgraded in the next code?

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

No…

[@suzettehenderson9278]

@@gymnasticsmasterclass well something to work towards. Thanks.

[@allorfh2495]

Yes

[@hinacharmbraceletera283]

The Magana is also undervalued should be an I rating to me instead of G

[@chaleevandivner7222]

I can barely do a Front tuck off the beam

[@ginevracolombo4262]

The Dos Santos 2 ( double arabian layout) Is really underscored, It Is actually an h but It should be a i / j

[@queenofnevers6990]

One can heavily edit the sheep jump photo to make it look neutral but we all know who's pictured there. Haha)

[@agneseditsstuff]

PREACH!!!!!

[@brandonaldaymachuse6669]

Basically, they hate/love komova. Downgrading and upgrading her signature skills.

[@paulyephih2438]

She's really good...amazing...

[@taylorburtis]

You should have added The Biles on beam. Double double being rated H is a joke

[@raymondpatrick430]

Yeah gymnastics needs a complete overhaul in how they score things.

[@aldckenz]

Now i understand why nastia stopped competing her 3.5 lol... She's not the most powerful and her weak twisted smokes can't help 😂❤

[@аня-ц5х3м]

i hate the transition rule of E rating on bars. they literally want people to make new and original skills, but when they do its downgraded so much. thanks to the FIG we have boring and unoriginal routines now👍

[@ria-zul-zannah7100]

Sheep jump is severely undervalued! It’s technically so hard yet aesthetic. FIG has no respect for art!

[@MsSwimminggirl]

Interesting

[@lucasmrqss]

Dos Santos II should be rated as J

[@KseniaTLV]

most of the complex elements were removed and gymnastics became uninteresting, returned 40 years ago.

[@easyhair4health]

i hate the current status of gymnastics judging

[@mz5715]

i really want to see chinese athletes to do sheep jumps on beam again.

[@gymlandia4467]

What about the Biles dismount.

[@hablamosdetodo166]

hi!..I am Spanish..Could you translate in Spanish?...I would be thanked for you...I love your videos but I think the translation is very important because a lot of people can understand your message ..your videos..thanks

[@marioerntogarcia5117]

YES 😃👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏽

[@argoneonoble]

Please downgrade that spin from a squatter side lounge. It seems like 90% of gymnasts do kn bam or floor of both. Mist look bad and sloppy when they do it even if they complete the revolutions. That sheep jump looks hella hard, but it also seems like moves where the very flexible have an advantage are discouraged.

[@إنسانة-ع7خ]

I_I-LI_L-LI

[@DJcyberslash]

No Yurchenko Double Pike????

[@Sarah-wd6xr]

The YDP is appropriately valued in relation to other vaults. Flipping backwards is easier than flipping forwards (so a Yurchenko double tucked should be lower than a prudanova) , but since it’s piked instead of tucked, it should be slightly harder than a prudanova (at 6.4), which the YDP is at 6.6. In the new code, either the prudanova at 6.0, the YDP will likely be a 6.2, which will also be appropriate relative to other vaults.

[@hannibaljustincase9985]

@@Sarah-wd6xr YDP in no way should be rated higher than Produnova. not with Yurchenko entry and spotted landing. the issue is, Produnova is already highly underscored, so placing YDP above it creates a bit of a chaos. If anything, Yeo is extremely undervalued and no one seems to pay attention to it.

[@educatedinyellow8189]

I don't think FIG has rated the Yurchenko Double Pike yet. The American judges awarded it a provisional 6.6 rating, but its official value is not yet decided as far as I know. I don't think it will be until Simone performs it in international competition, i.e. at the Olympics.

[@Sarah-wd6xr]

@@hannibaljustincase9985 I agree with you on the rating of the Prudanova - I think it is harder than the YDP. However, I think if you follow the logical progression of the existing code, it should come out slightly higher since it's piked rather than tucked. I'd rate the Prudanova highest of all though - people compare the men where the Yurchenko double saltos are harder than the handspring double saltos (and so say YDP should be higher than Prudanova), but yurchenko entries are easier for women than handspring. TL:DR, I agree with you, but either way the YDP is definitely not undervalued.

[@MommaGriffin1]

I do NOT AGREE WITH THE CURRENT CODE OF POINTS. The gymnasts 🤸‍♀️ should be given the great difficulty for difficult moves. Really it it such common sense.

[@brunnoribeiro3840]

No, i do not!

[@darklight1030]

#MAKETHESCHAEFERANFRATEDSKILL

[@1chelib]

No not fair...

[@ctruth6185]

Shameful about the sheep jump. All of these skills make the judges look like, they don't know what they are doing by, downgrading such complex moves. The FIG is guaranteeing that the sport will become stale & predictable filled with uniform & robotic exercises. Guess, its a good time to bring forth the robot judges powered by AI.

[@jordanjordan2595]

Biles dismount 🙂

[@PBJ_416]

i dis agree with those points.

[@adrianemalone3424]

tes

[@marionphillips5979]

No one ever said the rating are reasonable. I hate the fact that they won't let Simone Biles do her best.

[@moonlightblue9196]

Interesting

[@darklight1030]

#MAKETHESCHAEFERANFRATEDSKILL