Yuval Noah Harari: Perils of viewing Israel-Palestine through the 'victimhood' context | GZERO World

Within the context of the Israel-Gaza war, ‪@YuvalNoahHarari‬ and Ian Bremmer talk about transforming victimhood narratives into shared empowerment and the subtle, yet crucial, distinction between positive patriotism and dangerous nationalism.
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In a wide-ranging conversation with Ian Bremmer, filmed live at the historic 92nd Street Y in NYC, bestselling author Yuval Noah Harari discusses the profound role narratives play in conflict resolution and identity politics. It’s through this framing that Harari and Ian address the latest conflict between Israel and Gaza. Victimhood, Harari posits, often comes with an element of truth, but it carries the danger of absolving individuals or nations of responsibility. "If you think about yourself primarily as a victim, it relieves you of all responsibility," he explains.
Bremmer also presses Harari on the notion of narratives, and particularly, how to distinguish between patriotism and nationalism. Harari describes patriotism as the love for a unique group and a willingness to do more for them, akin to how we treat our families. Nationalism, however, turns perilous when it crosses into supremacism - when love for one's group becomes an excuse to despise and discriminate against others. Harari asserts, "It becomes dangerous when we start saying this group of people, they are not just unique. They are superior."
Harari defends the possibility of simultaneously supporting the rights and dignities of both Israelis and Palestinians. Holding dual narratives of both people's aspirations to live dignified lives in their homelands is not only possible but necessary, according to Harari. "Just because you are in favor of the rights of Palestinians doesn't mean you have to be also in favor of destroying Israel completely," he states.
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[@user-ck1cq6mb4b]

Remarkable evolution of Harari, from fear of the loss of the Israeli soul to recognition of the Palestinian right to exist.

[@noa-wu9sn]

That is Full on BS. You clearly didn't understand a world. Its never been The israelis how didnt recognize the right of Palestinians to exist Its always been the ether way around.

[@goeleal1520]

I agree with much of it, but what I don't like is this narrative that levels up the oppression, as if both people (Palestinians and Israelis) were being mistreated equally. We all know that is not the case, and an honest debater should leave that clear from the start.

[@17XmaxB]

When you want to bring a positive message, and to start a political argument, you shouldn't bring up facts about who is more oppressed, even though it feels urgent and purly unjust to ignore that theres a side who constantly attacks the Israelis, non stop for almost 80 years, with no any intention for peace, while as soon as Israelis try to defend themselves the UN and all of that shit would be quick to condem, accuse, and oppress any attempt of them defending themselves, which is not a lot to ask.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

The only reason there's an inequality is because one side is significantly more talented, intelligent, skilled, funded, trained, educated, and enlightened. It's only one sided because one of these groups of people built their entire culture around scholarship while the other built it's entire culture around martyrdom. If the shoe were on the other foot, if you flipped a magic switch that had them change sides... do you think for a second they'd be more gentle? Or do you think they'd be far, far, FAR more oppressive?

[@danbfm]

Muslims have been mistreating christians jews hindus bahais and zorastrians and treating them as dhimmis for 1300 years. It all started with Islam. These populations have been treated as second class citizens, and regularly killed and raped and is sanctioned and permitted by Islam. Now tell me how infidels are supposed to live in peace with their muslim neighbors. Ask these other religions minorities who they side with in this conflict at 100% will say with Israel.

[@pantethine66]

the man likes to talk in circles because he doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him.

[@bluaska]

The thing is that Palestinians in the West Bank may be oppressed, in a sense that they don't enjoy equal rights because they are occupied by Israel. However, Israelis see themselves as a tiny, embattled country (and the only Jewish state in the world), surrounded by 22 mostly hostile Arab states, and opposed by about 50 Muslim states and their backers in every international arena. Israel has a strong army, yes, but that is precisely because the Arabs tried to destroy it so many times. They have no choice but to arm themselves to their teeth or they wouldn't exist anymore. So in a way, it is leveled. On a micro-scale, the Palestinians from the West Bank are oppressed, but on a larger scale, Israel is constantly oppressed, vilified and ostracized by the many Arab/Muslim states, now joined by the woke Marxist crowd who know nothing about how complex the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is. The Palestinians who live within Israel enjoy equal rights (Israeli Arabs), and many of them would not want the situation to change. Some even serve in the IDF although they could be exempt if they wished. In Gaza, after Israel's withdrawal in 2006, Palestinians have had their own government which built nothing but tunnels and rocket launchers for them, despite huge international donations and UNRWA taking care of education and health care. You have to understand that the situation of Palestinians in Israel, West Bank and Gaza is totally different in each place. Gaza is basically Judenrein, the West Bank is majority Palestinian population with some Jews and serious tentions between the populations, and Palestininas living in Israel are as well or better integrated than any minority in the Middle East.

[@cruzaralotrolado]

I don't think it makes sense to compare this situation with Rwanda. People killing with knifes is pretty different from attacking from the sky with a huge military advantage. It seems much more cowardly to me.

[@seanomaille8157]

Is Mr. Harari being deliberately naive? "The Israeli government dispatched a medical aid team to assist survivors in Rwanda, led by the minister of environmental protection, Yossi Sarid. But that mission was all for show, because the Israeli government had shipped weapons to the brutal Hutu regime, which had killed around 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days. Such shipments included Uzi submachine guns and hand grenades, both before and during the genocide." The Palestine Laboratory by A Lowenstein

[@sreddie1]

But he is not wrong.. you probably are... if you don't want to realize this reality, it doesn't changes that the facts ... i advice you to listen less to Al-Jazeera and other biased media outlets and think for yourself

[@seanomaille8157]

@@sreddie1 Your opinion versus my facts. Ok

[@luxusetveritas2844]

​@@sreddie1 Nice biaised advice...

[@sreddie1]

@@seanomaille8157 your "facts" are nothing more than a modern antisemitism.. blaming Israelis and Jews for all wrongs in the world, and use biased half-truths to push your agenda. I'll take Yuval's and my facts , and our opinions anytime over your crazy racist BS

[@audizul]

I mean check his background.... You'll be less surprised

[@jonathanwatkins222]

I'm thinking that as Mr. Harari speaks of a People feeling superior he also takes on this motive while speaking of the Palestinians potential futures. I would imagine that most Palestinians don't have that luxury while they are being ethnically cleansed in Palestine at this moment.

[@raz5802]

Jonathan, I am sorry but you don't understand the conflict at all. The people who feel superior are the Muslim Arab population who do not agree to allow Jews to live here (unless as 2nd class citizens), let alone be a majority. They are the ones who want ethnic cleansing but thank g-d we can defend ourselves and prevent it. Those non-Jews who wish to live in peace live peacefully alongside Jews. The proof is in the numbers! Look how many Jews live in Muslim countries before and after 48 and look at the number of Muslims living in Israel...

[@sydneymaskelyne8118]

Thank you very much, Yuval Noah Harari, for all that you have said about pain, suffering, victimhood, war, etc., etc. It ALL NEEDS to be SAID, and said OFTEN, and said FORCEFULLY !!! However, it ALSO NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED, THOUGHT ABOUT, and PRACTISED !!! Great thoughts, great truths DIE if they are NOT PRACTICED !!!

[@anellawrites]

My abusive parents were victims apparently. Everything they did to me was my fault. And I was under ten.

[@rebekahlevy4562]

Trauma psychology is applicable--as you might infer here--to whole peoples and cultures. If the trauma isn't dealt with honestly and in good faith, no amount of restitution, including military might and even statehood, can preven a trauma sufferer from re-enacting another version of their own trauma on others. Which is what we're witnessing with Israel and Gaza right now. Israel has 2000 years' worth of unrecovered trauma, which they are now acting-out in supreme insanity--just like an untreated veteran might, or a serial rapist (who was likely themself sexually abused as a kid)...and the Jihadists (Hamas being Jihadist) absolutely deny all historical Jewish trauma (a lot of Muslim kids know NOTHING about the Holocaust, or are taught that this is fiction made up by Zionists and Infidel Jew-lovers)--and educate their kids that way as well--because they have the Palestinian generational trauma to play on, of bulldozed houses and villages, lost family land, checkpoints everywhere and, in the West Bank, insane Settlers. It becomes a competition to see Who's The Biggest Victim. And NOBODY wins except for Hamas.

[@shishkabobby]

He never addressed the Israeli governments hatred. Only the hated of Palestinians. What a shame.

[@rosariomontoya1826]

The two state solution is the only solution at this point. The actual state of affairs is not acceptable if we think of ourselves as “civilized.” We need to support this path with our posts, but mainly with our money!!!

[@MrJosephholbrook]

okay, this was much better than I was expecting.

[@ramia317]

How so?

[@samaok4043]

defintely he is brave and noble man, but he say: Israeli has the right to live in their homeland and i totally agree but the question is: what is their homeland? is it the land that they migrated to and occupied by killing its people and stealing their homes and land? does this make it their legitimate land?!?

[@johnny-blaze591]

The Palestinian mandate was supposed to be converted into two states, one Jewish, one Arab. The mandate was established on land previously being submitted to Ottoman imperial rule. Are you against this decision, and if yes, why? Would a civil war (which actually happened) have been the better option? It was clear that the Arabs wouldn't accept to live with Jews, and the Jews, in turn, didn't feel it possible to live with Arabs (even though the latter has been the case, whereas the Arabs did expel Jews from the areas the Arabs conquered in 1948). The Arabs rioted against the Jews in 1929 and again in the Arab revolts in the 1930s. Why is the expulsion of Jews okay, but not the expulsion of Arabs? Are population transfers reason to insist that a nation shouldn't exist? If so, why would you think that Turkey or Pakistan should be allowed to exist, but not Israel? Is it occupation of other countries or people's areas? If so, why should Morocco, Iran, Iraq, or Turkey exist, but not Israel?

[@MuayThai_Apprentice]

very well put

[@eden3685]

And how exactly did you think your country was founded? You think your country’s founders was the first to step their foot on that land and magically noone was living there and founded it? Or there was some small amount of people living there and your country’s founders just went up to them and asked them nicely to have their land and they just accepted? You need to learn some history. You should educate yourself about Muslim colonialism (how they invaded and conquered many countries and who lived there before) and where are now all the Jews that lived in those countries from ancient times. How many were killed and how many were displaced. Do you know Egypt's history before Muslims came and destroyed its native people? So many muslim countries 50+ do you think they did that by asking ? Not only many jewish people were ethically cleansed from many muslims countries just see how christians are treated there. Palestinians are mainly Arab migration workers that for 1920 flooded the land to work for British. In their names you can see their origin. So technically they are not Palestinians. Does this knowledge change anything in the current situation? No.

[@eden3685]

Quote from Zuheir Mohsen a senior member of the Palestine Liberation Organization, "There's no such thing as a separate Palestinian people, there's no difference between Jordanians Palestinians Syrians... the Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The creation of a Palestinian state is a new instrument in our ongoing war against the state of Israel and for the purpose of our Arab unity. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen "Mohsen himself stated that there were "no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons", representing the Ba'athist perceptive regarding the question of Palestine"

[@eden3685]

At the formation of (Trans)Jordan, 50% population was already Palestinian. Then Jordan annexed West Bank in 1950 and the number rose to ~75%. Entire West Bank was given Jordanian citizenship. Then another demographic change happened in 1967 when Israel took control over West Bank. The number reduced but then Jordan which was already using Palestinian Fidayeens (suicide bombers) as proxies against Israel decided to give refuge to Paleatinian militants. But that backfired and resulted in Black September (Jordan Civil War) where Palestinian militants killed Jordanian PM and created unrest in Jordan. Eventually Jordan booted these troublemakers and Palestinian militants relocated to Lebanon (which already had sizeable Palestinian refugees). Again it resulted in (Lebanese) Civil War. Moral of the story: Don't consider Palestinian as some innocent people who are being oppressed by devilish Israel. Palestinians have their own devilish intent but lacked resources to realise it. But time and again Palestinians have shown they have devilish intent and if provided with resources can realise it too. Here are few examples of "innocent" activities carried by Palestinians: 1. Fidayeen attacks on Israeli civilians while West Bank Palestinians were citizens of Jordan. 2. No claim on Palestinian land as per first charter of PLO in 1964 but wanted end of existence of Israel, indirectly meaning wipe Israel out of map and subsume the Palestinian land into Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and no need of separate Palestine. 2. Black September (Jordan Civil War). 3. Lebanese Civil War. 4. Munich Massacre. 5. Air France hi-jack. 6. Italian Cruise ship hi-jack. 7. Oct 7 massacre. Now some people will try to segregate Hamas and other militants from Palestinians; but unfortunately the hatred indoctrinated on both sides means Hamas and Palestine are two sides of same coin and can't be separated.

[@avinashtyagi2]

His argument doesn't appear to be in good faith. If you're supporting continued Israeli settlements and occupation in Gaza and West Bank, then you aren't giving Palestinians a path to a better life or dignity in their own homeland. Also, Germany and Japan changed after WW2 because they were built up economically with the help of the US. US and Israel have not done anything of the sort in Palestinian lands, in fact one could easily make an argument that US and Israel have worked to do the opposite.

[@benb6527]

Yes but the Palestinians will never, ever accept a Jewish state. Not for centuries.

[@jkaur4736]

Yes, I'm so tired of this victimhood, which has been used as a cover for genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@salvadordali-m8h All sides can play the history game, it's a nonsense distraction. What matters is the here and now.

[@robbiep742]

He doesn't supports settlements, but go ahead and act as an agent of division and disinformation. He didn't say Germany resolved by magic, he indicated "the right decisions" needed to be made. In fact, he literally called for the rebuilding of Gaza in this clip. So sick of people like you lying endlessly to create division.

[@ولیدماگومدوف]

Muslims mostly like to blame others for their misery!!! When it comes to solution and taking action for change then their arguments fall apart and their true faces become obvious!!! Just look at Iran Afghanistan Syria Libya Sudan Yemen Lebanon Iraq.... Turkey. Turkey alone continuously bombs Kurdish people much like Iran!!! I'm an Iranian national and I stand with people and state of Israel ❤️🌷🌺🌹❤️ We understand the evils of Islam!!! Hamas and Hezbollah must be eradicated!!!! من ایرانیم و در کنار مردم و دولت اسراییل هستم 🌺ما از نیات شیطانی اسلام آگاهیم!!! حماس و حزب‌الله باید نابود شوند!!!

[@nidalhazboun7717]

Theory, even the most brilliant one, may fall short in the face of reality. especially when you are part of the equation. Victimize oneself can serve too many purposes, being one of them "best midia excuse to carrying a pre defined plan." As he cited, " Superpowers also do it like Russia, " but he forgot to mention Israel.

[@sreddie1]

But he is not wrong.. you probably are... if you don't want to realize this reality, it doesn't changes that fact they are... i advice you to listen less to Al-Jazeera and other biased media outlets and think for yourself

[@robertpirsig5011]

​@@sreddie1I listen to BBC and CNN and even their mild coverage is horrible to listen to. Israel is becoming a pariah state.

[@nidalhazboun7717]

Kkk

[@danbfm]

It was not spelled out but was very implied that both Israel and Palestinians subscribe to a victim narrative.

[@janbrown9195]

@@danbfm I don’t believe Israel ever plays victim if they did their country would not be one of prosperity but in the same state that Gaza and the so called Palestinian people are ..

[@robertosullivan7638]

I have respect for Harari who is an interesting thinker, but I don't understand how you can talk about victimhood in an abstract, cultural sense, when there are tens of thousands of actual victims in brutal massacres and human rights abuses. Though this man is very intelligent, he seems to have a selective blindness to the extreme Israeli nationalism that is attempting to cleanse the country of its Palestinian population. In practical terms, this is an emergency, and in theoretical terms it is one population dehumanizing another.

[@tr3der]

How do you see Israel ethnic cleaning.? Palestinian populations have grown exponentially the past 25 years. Please explain your position other than repeating what you hear from people saying words without understanding and fact checking.

[@robertosullivan7638]

@@tr3derThat's hilarious that you accuse me of plagiarism when I have explained my own views on such particular terms - how could these be taken from anywhere else? I would expand on my meaning, but by your limited command of English I expect that would be a waste of time. I suggest in future you look at the number of people being killed and think less about the nationality/religion of the victims

[@tr3der]

@@robertosullivan7638 I think this comment is intended for someone else

[@robertosullivan7638]

@@tr3der Like someone with a conscience? Or someone who doesn't connect population growth with ethnic cleansing, ie. someone who isn't morally devoid?

[@simonyyy5877]

Victims of massacres or victims of being used as human shields and bad choices of governance At the end of the war of 1948, there were 156,000 Arabs in Israel and zero Jews in the West Bank and Gaza. The population of Jews in Arab countries from 1948-72 went down by 95% while the population of Arabs in what was once the British mandate probably doubled. I wonder who is responsible for ethnic cleansing.

[@tomb614]

He's an Israel apologist

[@tuomas3964]

I simply do not understand why people feel Hararis message is somehow radical. He is talking sence here thriugh a very broad scope. Maybe it will not help the Palestinians right now but he is still making sence. He is not a crisis worker or a politician so he has the right to think about these things. His occupation is to think.

[@guspus3050]

+

[@anellawrites]

Interesting you used the word occupation.

[@MrCph2200]

His work is to think. But also to look at and describe things as objectively as possible. He doesn’t; Look From 4.05: Just because you are in favour of the RIGHTS OF PALESTINIANS doesn’t mean you have to be in favour of DESTROYING ISRAEL COMPLETELY. 2. And just because you’re in favor of DEFENDING ISRAEL DOESN’T mean that you should IGNORE the TERRIBLE SUFFERING of the PALESTINIANS and their rights.” 1. He talks about DESTRUCTION of a state, but ONLY MENTIONS ISRAEL which is not destroyed, and LEAVES OUT GAZA - WHERE AROUND 70 % OF ALL BUILDINGS AND ROADS ETC ARE IN RUBBLES. 2. He talks about DEFENDING ISRAEL, while IDF HAS KILLED around 40.000 Gazans.and more and more gets killed. Total death toll 7th Oct was under 1200,

[@joannefullerton4566]

He has a subtle way with words: "Just because you are in favor of the rights of Palestinians, 4:10 doesn't mean you have to be 4:12 also in favor of destroying Israel completely. 4:15 And just because you are in favor of defending Israel 4:17 (audience applauds)" doesn't mean that you should ignore 4:21 the terrible suffering of the Palestinians 4:24 and their rights.doesn't mean that you should ignore 4:21 the terrible suffering of the Palestinians 4:24 and their rights. The Rights of Palentinian People vs Isreal defending itself from being destroyed. Why frame it in this way?

[@normansilbert3305]

Harari is hyped as a great thinker and visionary. Over time, I have come to believe that he is highly overrated and an extremist pandering to a targeted audience of self-proclaimed intellectuals and pseudo-intelligentsia.

[@safiya4339]

well , nobody's perfect 😉, maybe we can still learn something from him? I am sort of desperate right now for any kind of sense or wisdom 🙄🙄🙄!!

[@emmanuelbyiringiro7207]

Only smart people can identify smart people

[@albertowachsman]

If anybody hyped him as a visionary, it's their fault, because he has always maintained that he does not know how things will be. you're entitled to your opinion about him, but could you explain why you call him an extremist?

[@samo6391]

Truth, empathy and honesty is the solution to these problems.

[@cristinakasselas555]

1 state 2 states whatever but the palestinians to be recognized as citizens ! And rebuilding Gaza for PALESTINIANS not for the americans or canadians jews ! And no, presenting others atrocities it doesn't take the blame for the present atrocity and it is not less important !

[@luxusetveritas2844]

👍🎩

[@maxibluft]

First of all, where in what he said did you get that he was trying to present other atrocities to take the blame for the present one or make it less important?? He is speaking about these things exactly BECAUSe of the importance of this atrocity! And second of all no, it's not "whatever", it's absolutely crucial that we figure out HOW we can find a solution to this and give Palestinians freedom and human rights while also guarding those of Jews on the other side, if for you this is all 'whatever' then you're just another idealist black-and-white thinker with no realistic understanding of the situation and that doesn't help anyone

[@cristinakasselas555]

@@maxibluft i really thought the only morons on the planet were the europeans ! Now I have the poove it had spread all over ! The entire human history is nothing but a struggle of power : take any country in europe and read how did they arrived into the 21st century with the RULE OF LAW and SAME RIGHTS for different etnic linguistic, religious, genetic or others criteria ON THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA ! Is not a perfect marriage but they do not kill civilians at breakfast lunch and dinner for 75 years and playing the victims !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they or are not the god chosen ones ?! Genius right ?!

[@cristinakasselas555]

@@maxibluft read about the european history to see how people of many ethnicities or religion have made peace and rule of law for all on the same geographic space ! Genius, right ?! Just because a certain group of people at a point in history have suffered of psychosis because they cant deal with the real world and need to create a new reality to ''feel safe'', they have to be treated for mental health issues, not given munition ! Unless they are americans, of course !

[@cristinakasselas555]

@@maxibluft read about the european history to see how people of many ethnicities or religion have made peace and rule of law for all on the same geographic space ! Genius, right ?! Just because a certain group of people at a point in history have suffered of psychosis because they cant deal with the real world and need to create a new reality to ''feel safe'', they have to be treated for mental health issues, not given munition ! Unless they are americans, of course !

[@WaleedZubari]

I felt he is a mild version of Netanyahu... throwing Saudi Arabia in the middle and ignoringthe Palestinians

[@sarahtiferet9025]

LOL! NO , no he's not . HE SAID that a Peace agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel SHOULD INCLUDE the Palestinians . You didn't listen. So you must be Trolling ...

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Why would you do anything other than ignore them? They cannot be negotiated with. There is no reason to talk to them.

[@elqord.1118]

Oh no Mr. Hararai. You now made it clear where you are standing on this. Israel makes a best effort!?

[@tommasoalberghi6162]

Am I the only one who finds it absurd to comment on an ongoing genocide as if the two sides involved were on the same level? Here we have a clear victim, a people, and a clear perpetrator with enormous firepower, which should be declared from the beginning of the discussion. Otherwise, we are distorting history.

[@rolandlastname5532]

Great talk with hopeful perspective. I never watch long talks of Harari, because he really doesn't need much talk to explain his great points

[@Chuck-mp1ji]

One has to stop this naive narrative. The reality hasn't sent a clear enough message for our historian.

[@gulnida7801]

I am dissapointed. Honestly, I thought he would have a better stance on this, especially because he is a big opponent on Netanyahu. If he can not see what his own people are doing right now, in the name of victims of October 7th, he might as well be blind.

[@maxibluft]

Why do you say that? Of course he can see it, that's a big part of what he's talking about here!

[@khattak99]

Victimhood is what led to the creation of Israel, and the Europeans played well into that narrative.

[@GinaCoroneos]

I think we can all agree however that in this particular instance no matter what narrative the Palestinians chose it makes no difference. They tried peaceful means of change. Remember what happened at the protest. Now is not the time to be heaping blame on the actual victim.

[@Writkin]

Always the victimizer who says “don’t say you’re a victim!!”

[@mns8732]

Self delusion is self evident.

[@thesadbutterfly]

This man is intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.

[@MartinaVonTrapp]

For the worst storm to pass, Israel needs to IMMEDIATELY STOP its GENOCIDE, it is currently committing in Gaza as we speak. It is pretty presumptuous of Mr Harari to sit on stage, and show us how "things are terrible now, but things will be better".

[@aliwazzani-q6n]

the oppressor is known to everyone who has conscience and the oppressed is known , too. the only difference lies in your ability to see the truth and expose lies.

[@ttrons2]

Harari and his stories. Enough already.

[@SputnikCrisis]

I love watching G Zero Media and drinking G Zero Glacier Freeze. Thanks Ian!

[@circles79]

It seems that Harari has adopted the victimhood story of the Israeli ethno-state. Now he's using it to defend genocide. Absolutely disgusting.

[@saukibasya]

I regret buying his book

[@arshiyankhan8580]

Great mind, articulated speech, ruthless dishonest.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

3:18 perfect answer! You can be critical of a government and have empathy for its people at the same time. These things are not mutually exclusive

[@platero814]

Harari has a brilliant mind, and I think he's both compassionate and reasonable and has always something interesting to say, but it's a pity that he uses Rwanda as an example. I think he doesn't know the country and should inform himself better. First of all, consider that Kagame, Rwanda's dictator, is probably laughing at Putin's meager 87% of the vote in the elections. If Harari mentions the genocide, he should also not forget that Rwanda took part in two wars after the genocide, were there were at least five times as many deaths. The Congo wars are the bloodiest wars in Africa's recent history, they are also known as the Africa's World War. In the aftermath Rwanda established a repressive dictatorship in which any dissent would be crushed mercilessly. Little has changed. And by the way, Harari should also note that he would probably get into big trouble if he was in Rwanda and says what he says in this interview, as any mentioning of hutus and tutsis in public is dangerous and generally not a good idea.

[@safiya4339]

gosh. Thank you for this perspective.

[@ttrons2]

Don't agree. He is neither brilliant nor compassionate. I read his books.

[@theclassroomdoc]

wow Harari is a real optimist!!

[@lionelbradley4394]

Deuteronomy 23:17 KJV - There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[@yassinemekka2229]

I Like Harari but come on they slaughtered 13.000 children, 13.000 thousand. Israel Shows such cruelty i really cant Imagine how they can See themselves as victims

[@eden3685]

Palestinians attack and then act as victims thats the whole story again and again.

[@eden3685]

At the formation of (Trans)Jordan, 50% population was already Palestinian. Then Jordan annexed West Bank in 1950 and the number rose to ~75%. Entire West Bank was given Jordanian citizenship. Then another demographic change happened in 1967 when Israel took control over West Bank. The number reduced but then Jordan which was already using Palestinian Fidayeens (suicide bombers) as proxies against Israel decided to give refuge to Paleatinian militants. But that backfired and resulted in Black September (Jordan Civil War) where Palestinian militants killed Jordanian PM and created unrest in Jordan. Eventually Jordan booted these troublemakers and Palestinian militants relocated to Lebanon (which already had sizeable Palestinian refugees). Again it resulted in (Lebanese) Civil War. Moral of the story: Don't consider Palestinian as some innocent people who are being oppressed by devilish Israel. Palestinians have their own devilish intent but lacked resources to realise it. But time and again Palestinians have shown they have devilish intent and if provided with resources can realise it too. Here are few examples of "innocent" activities carried by Palestinians: 1. Fidayeen attacks on Israeli civilians while West Bank Palestinians were citizens of Jordan. 2. No claim on Palestinian land as per first charter of PLO in 1964 but wanted end of existence of Israel, indirectly meaning wipe Israel out of map and subsume the Palestinian land into Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and no need of separate Palestine. 2. Black September (Jordan Civil War). 3. Lebanese Civil War. 4. Munich Massacre. 5. Air France hi-jack. 6. Italian Cruise ship hi-jack. 7. Oct 7 massacre. Now some people will try to segregate Hamas and other militants from Palestinians; but unfortunately the hatred indoctrinated on both sides means Hamas and Palestine are two sides of same coin and can't be separated.

[@eden3685]

Some samples from last 20 years: Nigeria vs Boko Haram 350,000 dead Sudan vs JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead Yemen vs Houthis 233,000 dead Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead Syria's civil war 400,000 dead South Sudan's civil war 400,000 dead Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead Do you remember protests for all these dead? Me, neither. It is not about people or land in Gaza.

[@maxibluft]

it's generational trauma from the holocaust, pogroms, ethnic cleansing in their original Arab homelands, and thousands of years of persecution elsewhere... read about how trauma works in a person, this is exactly how it works in nations too. Currently the Palestinians are the victims of thousands of years of Jewish trauma which make them feel like victims even when for the first time since forever they are not.

[@averynb1218]

This man has one of the most beautiful brains interpreting the world right now

[@ramia317]

How so?

[@alexgoslar4057]

Very insightful from a human perspective. It is difficult to change narratives that are so deeply ingrained in humanity.

[@sawaas2001]

I was about to trush out his book but after this video, I think I will continue reading his book.

[@IndianaAorta]

Did the Nazi’s view themselves as victims? Did the rulers of Rhodesia see themselves as victims? Is ethno-nationalism acceptable? Is that why parts of Southern Lebanon already put up for sale by the Israelis? Is it ok to have an apartheid state?

[@TraceyFlannery]

Except that the Palestinians are victims of the state of Israel. He suggests personal and community power that Israel denies Palestinians.

[@SilverSprings1997]

"We can get over it." Tell that to the parents picking up the pieces of their children. Would you just "get over it?"

[@yunshuiseng8]

Still it is a difference when Israelis call themselves "victim" or when Palestinians do so, simply because of the amount of crimes they have had to experience and have done themselves.

[@eden3685]

The palestinians attack and then act as victims thats the whole story again and again

[@eden3685]

At the formation of (Trans)Jordan, 50% population was already Palestinian. Then Jordan annexed West Bank in 1950 and the number rose to ~75%. Entire West Bank was given Jordanian citizenship. Then another demographic change happened in 1967 when Israel took control over West Bank. The number reduced but then Jordan which was already using Palestinian Fidayeens (suicide bombers) as proxies against Israel decided to give refuge to Paleatinian militants. But that backfired and resulted in Black September (Jordan Civil War) where Palestinian militants killed Jordanian PM and created unrest in Jordan. Eventually Jordan booted these troublemakers and Palestinian militants relocated to Lebanon (which already had sizeable Palestinian refugees). Again it resulted in (Lebanese) Civil War. Moral of the story: Don't consider Palestinian as some innocent people who are being oppressed by devilish Israel. Palestinians have their own devilish intent but lacked resources to realise it. But time and again Palestinians have shown they have devilish intent and if provided with resources can realise it too. Here are few examples of "innocent" activities carried by Palestinians: 1. Fidayeen attacks on Israeli civilians while West Bank Palestinians were citizens of Jordan. 2. No claim on Palestinian land as per first charter of PLO in 1964 but wanted end of existence of Israel, indirectly meaning wipe Israel out of map and subsume the Palestinian land into Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and no need of separate Palestine. 2. Black September (Jordan Civil War). 3. Lebanese Civil War. 4. Munich Massacre. 5. Air France hi-jack. 6. Italian Cruise ship hi-jack. 7. Oct 7 massacre. Now some people will try to segregate Hamas and other militants from Palestinians; but unfortunately the hatred indoctrinated on both sides means Hamas and Palestine are two sides of same coin and can't be separated.

[@michaelfoort2592]

It would be great if Harare could get his story straight....does he want Genocide or Justice for Palestine? Ive seen both views from him

[@גליתאנגור-ש1צ]

Israel don't look at herself as a victim or superior to others and Yuval Noah Harari is not the person to talk on behalf Israel. Maybe he looks at the mirror and talks about himself.

[@AladdinConnolly]

Yuval should clearly define that Israel is committing a genocide. Sure he can say both sides approach from victims view. But he should say even if there are some victim elements with the Jewish claim. In fact 99.9 percent is Israelis brutally depriving Palestinians of all human rights.

[@RichardPepperman-kk9yb]

Limited in its superficiality Avoids delusion. Avoids the desperations of significance. Avoids the dreadfulbess of mortality

[@CDGMR1]

Keep this guy away from your children!

[@Martinique_36]

WEF puppet

[@bbbartolo]

interesting on Israel/Palestine the numbers in the audience who DIDN'T applaud

[@karimtabrizi376]

Isreal badly needs fresh critical thinkers like yuval

[@benb6527]

Well, Palestine has zero of them so…..

[@sergeedelstein3463]

In Israel at least half of the population thinks like him, but I never heard anything even close from our cousins.

[@benb6527]

@@sergeedelstein3463Truth truth truth. At least Jews try to seek the truth - 'the next world on earth.' To me that is Science. We knew that there was more than myth and idolatry. Einstein is our messiah, not Jesus, and likewise he made mistakes as all messiahs do!

[@benb6527]

​@@salvadordali-m8hWell Catholicism is very particular and controlling, insisting religion cannot be individual. Translation forbidden so you have to rely on an intellectual elite for connection to God and thus Power. Still, even 2000+ years into this Christianity / Islam experiment, it's about controlling knowledge, because turns out, knowledge really does equal power.

[@nidalhazboun7717]

But he has a decision to make right now Israel vision or humanity vision

[@gossipandgrigio7200]

the palestinians and the jews? the first jews were from canaan. palestine! to this day there are the original christians and jews still in palestine. lets not pretend all palestinians are muslim or arab

[@michaelb1348]

One other point ... Harari explains that there is hope that Palestinians and Jews co-exist peacefully and uses the Jews and the Germans and the Rwandan Civil War as examples. The difference however is that the Palestinians are motivated by their religious beliefs and an ancient hatred. That is why this problem will never be solved for another 100 years most probably (until we eradicate Islam)

[@reynaldocavalheiro3000]

The Jewish people suffered very much in the past like Palestian people are sufferind very much now. The Palestians are trying to resist face a coward war . In my opinion , it is unthinkable to see one situation like this. Both are victims but there is one difference, Israel has power and who has power is gilty.

[@fuckkatuas2837]

Rothschilds are the biggest human rights violators in history - they killed english, french, bengalis, arabs etc. You can go on and on, to document their crimes against humanity.

[@carlosw1687]

Harari is not discerning anymore

[@iamnot1]

He sure looks like a real fraud ... 😂

[@missthunderstormable]

interesting in light of some people s opinion that he might be false prophet of the Revelation…“ i am victim, i need more power..”

[@kristine8338]

I hope from the bottom of my heart you are right but thinking about my experiences I have a different point of view. I hope I am wrong but until now, the seventh of October proved me right. And yes I am not as eloquent and smart as you are. Moreover it is difficult to explain the content and source of my words… wishing you the best. ❣️

[@MrCph2200]

At 4.05 he discloses his disregard of equal rights: “ 1 Just because you are in favour of the RIGHTS OF PALESTINIANS doesn’t mean you have to be in favour of DESTROYING ISRAEL COMPLETELY. 2. And just because you’re in favor of DEFENDING ISRAEL DOESN’T mean that you should IGNORE the TERRIBLE SUFFERING of the PALESTINIANS and their rights.” 1. 7:49 He talks about DESTRUCTION of a state, but ONLY MENTIONS ISRAEL that is not destroyed, and LEAVES OUT GAZA - WHERE AROUND 70 % OF ALL BUILDINGS AND ROADS ETC ARE IN RUBBLES. 2. He talks about DEFENDING ISRAEL, while IDF HAS KILLED around 40.000 Gazans. (Total death toll 7th Oct was under 1200, AND less than 700 of them were civilians - OF WHOM THERE IS PROOF THAT several of them were KILLED BY IDF by the Hannibal directive

[@mdshoyeb9652]

Hypocrite!

[@renzo6490]

Can one feel patriotism for a country made up of a variety of very different cultures? Is the population of the United States a “unique group of people “? Does the average American “love and care about “ all classes and cultures that comprise the country?

[@luxusetveritas2844]

👍🎩

[@simeonsamaan3564]

When Americans get out into the rest of the world, they can definitely see their unique traits which unite the various heritages that comprise the US.

[@albertowachsman]

Good question, and I suspect you have your own answer. As an American citizen (naturalized) I'd say most Americans these days are not patriotic. We are too divided and there are too many hateful people. Add to the mix the individualistic character of the American people, and you'll see that almost everybody here thinks "what does this country do for me" and not "what can I do for my country" (to paraphrase JFK).

[@renzo6490]

@@albertowachsman Tribalism is a strong instinct. We get our identity from the group or groups that we belong to. We need to feel that we belong to SOMETHING. A nationality, a race, a religion, even a fan club of some famous sports or entertainment figure. Our membership distinguishes us and sets us apart from and maybe above others. We trust the members of our tribe. We feel a kinship with them. We are willing to give to the collective. We pay taxes to our government and it uses our money to address the needs of the group. This is true of a homogeneous society. Like white English speaking Christians. But what happens when our nation is composed of people from other tribes? We look at them and think: they are not like us. They look different,they speak differently,they worship a different god,their food, music,history…all alien. Not of our tribe! We pay taxes to the government and see our money being used to serve “the others “. The others who are threatening our supremacy in our society! Line up a dozen people of all races, National origin… all sizes,shapes, genders. Then ask, “ which one of these people is the American?” “Which ones speak English without an accent?” When I am visiting a foreign country where I don’t speak the language, I tend to bond with anyone who speaks English…I might have nothing else in common with them, but the two of us constitute a tribe. If Earth were invaded by aliens, it would draw all earthlings together and all humanity would become our tribe. That’s how it works. The existence of “The Other “ defines us and gives us our identity and sense of belonging. So, I have to ask,” Can America function as a tribe .”?

[@zak3086]

Great!

[@CDGMR1]

I didn’t know about the Rwandan genocide, where were the riots and protests for them? 😔 So sad.

[@rolandlastname5532]

Sure, if you are under 50 you might not remember. Two reasons: 1 from a western perspective that genocide escalated really fast, 2 Rwanda was a far from my bed country and pretty unknown then. In contrast, the gaza thing has almost a century of history and Israel is in effect part of Europe

[@PFA...]

this guy is not a serious person on this issue. he is a nut case, tbh.

[@rolandlastname5532]

hia great point about nationalism and supremacism also clearly applies to the new radical right government of the Netherlands, as seen in their first 48 hours, today

[@italonocetti3537]

This guy tells stories like his horrible books, a series of opinions without reasons. You cannot tell that a genocide is a story and we have to change it. Disgusting.

[@RichardPepperman-kk9yb]

Several questions and comments by the host were significantly uninformed. Several times he was making assumptions that were provably false.

[@MrGeez42]

κανεναν φυσιολογικο εκει στην δυση εχετε;

[@SaifulIslam-eo8mi]

Soft peddling on Palestine

[@RealRocoCoco]

Gross!

[@DarrenCondron]

🇵🇸

[@paulbvd2258]

I think his analysis and comparisons are very shallow and hardly useful for what's happening in the real world. For example, countries in the 'global south', which to a large extend have been real victims of colonial exploitation, are more and more going their own way (and maybe even standing up) against developed countries/their former colonizers, i.e. they do take responsibility ... but the latter group of countries does not like that.

[@Ludwig.-.Wittgenstein]

He claims he is a historian and starts explaining international politics using pseudo-psychology concepts in a very evasive and superficial way. Also, he jumps all around, only not to mention anything spesific about his country.

[@Nov-5062]

His historical writings involve a lot of psychology.

[@Ludwig.-.Wittgenstein]

@Nov-5062 that is a bad way of doing history. It shows he lacks erudition and depth in his field. His pseudo-psychology is not original, after all.

[@budeiri123]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸🔻✌️

[@GermanCarneroRoque-gt9wi]

NO Repito No me interesa contar con este canal

[@moalerivu2139]

People talking about the two state solution should remember how many times Palestinians have rejected it in the past. Not a good idea to force solutions on people who don't want it.

[@Oshowski]

You are absolutely misinformed but don’t worry most in the west have been lied too about Israel. If you actually educated yourself about any peace plans you would find that Israel never wanted a just peace. Their proposals and brutal negotiation tactics made it impossible for Palestinians. Watch what the Norwegians say about the Oslo process. P

[@moalerivu2139]

I watched the Oslo negotiations very closely because I was happy Palestinians were very close to getting a state. Then Arafat walked away from it. Read Bill Clinton's book. He pinned the blame on Arafat. But it just wasn't Oslo. Arabs and Palestinians have said no to two states in 1948, 1967, 1973, 2000, and 2008. No, you are the one badly informed.

[@hammadulhaq9398]

4:07 great

[@Mohamed-bm6yk]

The lesson from holoaust isnt antisemitim that not abstract thinking the lesson shouldve been responsability of antigenocide

[@Carl9Ken]

fake man

[@Joyeusecolombe]

I'm sorry but what Yuval says event though it sounds good and enlightened on paper, is completely dismissive or the reality that this conflict os not aboit palestinians needing more rights at all. It is about the blazing islamism of all the region. Israel is not at war with the palestinians of Gaza. They are at war with all the muslim world around them who hates them religiously. Even if all the palestinians emigrated to american suddenly let's say, Iran wouldn't stop, Hezbollah wouldn't stop. Egypt is probably more foe than friend. Syria wouldn't stop, Irak would join. Jordan would at very best be passive . The Houthis wouldn't stop. It is completely daydreaming to think that there can be peace just by giving Palestinians better future. You do that they will use it to feed the armies of Islamists around and among them. The war is between Islam and the west. Israel is only on the first front.

[@belkiztukus6641]

Wel isreal is the best player of victimhood.

[@mshparber]

🇺🇦❤️🇮🇱🙏

[@Oshowski]

Exact opposites Ukraine and Israel . Ukraine victim , Israel aggressor .

[@GermanCarneroRoque-gt9wi]

No me interesa no. RpT No me imteresa

[@michelelambert4591]

Yuval your voice had been powerfully disappointing on this war. You present a dichotomy separating isreali and Palestinian people. Shame I thought you might cut through that to reveal the power dynamics, exploitation and oppression. I feel stupid to listen to your history.

[@ZeroGods4595]

GenocideJoe :(

[@iamnot1]

😈😈

[@sottosopra4769]

Try another 20 days course maybe you will understand what colonist and sionist are doing.

[@janklaas6885]

📍5:04

[@myenglishgig5182]

Incorrect Mr Harrari. These are not two ideas happening at the same time, it’s two countries on top of each other. One of them - the occupier Israel, is supported financially and militarily by the most powerful country in the world, as well as UK, Germany and France. Glaring lack of honesty and humanity in your type of rhetoric. Just have a look at the ultra-nationalist Flag March aggravating the situation in East Jerusalem and over a 100 Palestinians killed in a school just yesterday.Really grateful to the young people around the world who are protesting this terrible genocide and occupation. Free Palestine! ☮️❤️

[@sunnyla2835]

True about the other cultures being able to forgive and live as neighbors again, inc vietnam, n and s ireland, indigenous americans, balkans, and everywhere else, etcetcet. cHowever, historically, the Palestinians rejected several peace deals, violated ceasefires and committed terrorist acts repeatedly, and for whatever reason, their grudges appear almost ingrained. Would love to hear his solution to that.

[@maristelanicolellis]

Yuval, I love you!

[@bit7389]

You are very optimistic. About Hutu and Tutsi, I am really no expert, but it seems as if that conflict is flaring up again right now this time not in Ruanda but in neighbouring Congo. And you can have no idea just how much I hate to say this, but I never ever imagined that I would see anti-Semitism flare up again in Germany as it has since Oct 7th. Disguised as concern over the plight of Palestinians, of course. Even more worrisome that it seems to be even worse in other Western countries.