How to: Manually Pick Up a Bore or a Hole with an Indicator - Haas Automation Tip of the Day

[@madswinebbq]

I actually appreciate that you gave no warning to the crash because in real life Machining when you crash there is no warning!!

[@rdhingrausic]

Ruben Alvarez ghhh

[@Ztalin]

@@highstreetkillers4377 if you're not crashing you're not working Hard enough.

[@TheWireEDM]

There is one warning. It's the voice that in your head says "naaah, not gonna check, it's probably fine"

[@manicmotox4214]

@@Ztalin or maybe......you work hard enough, and your just a safety Susan 😄........I'm sure that's a thing, I'm sure of it! Lol

[@Ztalin]

@@manicmotox4214 whats the fun in that?!

[@David-hm9ic]

Your videos ROCK. I have no expectation of ever running CNC machines because virtually everything I do is a one-off. The benefit is that the basic challenges between manual and CNC machining are identical. Every successful project starts with a good reference point and that is, IMO, one of the Haas Automation video strengths.

[@harwentrejo7727]

Good explanations. Good job.

[@TheSMPeto32]

TIP (for newbies): Initially centering the point of the indicator can be relatively complicated if the holding arm is at all offset and/or the indicator is twisted. It's rarely as quick as the video makes it seem, hence the reason he says, "Now, if this takes a little bit of time..." In my experience it's not worth the time and can be a total pain! Instead and before using your indicator, put something round into your chuck (preferably with a point) to locate the hole by eye. Personally I use a 3/8" drill blank, with a 45 degree point ground onto the end, but anything will work (chamfer tool, dowel pin, etc.).. Will get you VERY close before indicating, trust me!

[@KARLOS121]

I would use a spiral pointed tap in my drill chuck, works great. Nicer point than a drill

[@TheSMPeto32]

@@KARLOS121 a drill blank is just a rod with no flutes, etc...

[@indubitably424]

I'm about a month in as machinist ( all manual). I have been relying heavily on using an edge finder to locate because I can never get my indicator tip to line up on center and then rotate around a small diameter like a 3/8 pin. This sounds like what I need to try. Thank you.

[@rickys845]

This dudes a legend so greatful for every upload makes things so simple

[@thiagocruzy]

Just learnt a years worth of information in 7 minutes. Love love love this channel

[@MillennialMane]

Thiago Cruz a year? What? Where did u learn to machine? I learned all this my first week.

[@arabiccola]

Happy New Year! and to that indicator that was crushed in the making of this video, it was well worth it!

[@craigburton665]

thank you Mark, and Haas Automatons for the very helpful tip of the day videos. I watch every chance I get.

[@spkrman15]

Loved the cracked mirror. Great video guys. It is because of these videos i bought a Haas.

[@haasautomation]

That's great to hear Rob. We hope these videos are helping machinists and shop owners around the world with the problems they run into every day. And when they help prospective owners decide that a Haas might be their best machine tool choice, that's a great result as well.

[@BartZudell]

I don't have a Haas but this was EXACTLY what I was looking for. No hype just good info. THANKS!

[@johnvine5731]

My heart actually jumped when the indicator got destroyed!

[@MikeTimokhin]

This is the best explanation so far on youtube. I've watched many. You guys rock!

[@tj9382]

I love these tip of the day vids, keep up the good work guys 👍

[@mikhailmalamud9867]

This is a great video. This method can also be used for testing probe accuracy by comparing center located with dial indicator and center located with probe.

[@bikramthakulla8136]

Yes

[@davidbutler9014]

I just got my first coax indicator and it is the best indicator of any type that I have ever used.

[@raymendez2127]

That crash made me jump! Goodness, that really hurts!

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to give you a scare Ray! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@andreJT9]

Haha me too jump :D

[@yianni3251]

Thank you so much for these videos Haas! Love Mark!

[@tonypeng7829]

That looks great, I really like it.

[@stjohnsriverrat7161]

Excellent video, Simple and straight forward.

[@Deezputts1]

Thanks, great refresher to look at from time to time.. and yes the indicator crash had me in stitches too

[@Moncriefs]

i dont know shit about machining but i sat and watched this entire video for some reason

[@sain9851]

I seen it thrice, I felt that in my heart when you crashed it. Finally a good caution and note! Thanks to Mark from Haas

[@kentvandervelden]

Argh, how about a warning of graphical content next time? 2:38 :)

[@haasautomation]

We like the idea Kent, thanks! Sorry to give you a scare. Rest easy, the tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@BrianMDPhD]

Kent VanderVelden Right!? What horror!

[@lankysapien3032]

Or a trigger warning or something. I'm having nightmares tonight!

[@madswinebbq]

Kent VanderVelden In real life there is no warning when you crash! Just shame and everyone gathering around saying "what happened?". 🤣🤣🤣

[@thiagocruzy]

cringe worthy yikes!

[@ThePointlessBox_]

that indicator crash tore out a piece of my soul holy shit

[@charrontheboatman]

HI all and Happy New Year! These CNC Videos are of great help to me even though I am not yet proficient enough of a machinist to be working in CNC Thanks for keeping up with the simple stuff!

[@arunpools]

My heart skipped a beat when the indicator crashed!

[@chadkrause6574]

That crash almost made a grown man cry

[@Iceberg86300]

Chad Krause seriously! Oddly I was just poking around long island indicator today and saw that my compac is now up to just shy of $300. I would have been bawling if that was in the machine!!!!

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to cause you grief Chad! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@muellermaxwell]

i yelled in agony! haha

[@hansmeyer7520]

Nice Video !

[@4DIYers]

Lol, glad I wasn't the only one feeling that. My heart just dropped when I saw that!

[@jackflash6377]

The more of these tips I watch, the happier I am with my purchase of my HAAS mill & lathe.

[@erikcline2826]

Awesome Video! I don't know why I even went through an apprenticeship when I could have just watched these videos. One thing to note though is that, with a lot of indicators, changing the travel direction causes a difference in readings. Play I guess. This really only counts in super close tolerance work, but it's still good to know.

[@haasautomation]

Erik - Thanks for the comment. If you have any suggestions for new TOD videos, send them our way, [e-mail]. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@fabiostaffoni4435]

Very Very interesting. Good indications for a good work

[@dragonflyfab8982]

Mark, you are brutal! Not even a moment of silence for the dead indicator!

[@volkankandemir5108]

Thanks for sharing.

[@nasaeagle]

That indicator crashing was a jumpscare. Laying down in bed watching this and jumped 😂.

[@cwhuffman01]

These tips are handy for me, as both of our Haas mills at school do not have Probes. Thanks!

[@haasautomation]

You're welcome Christopher! Thanks for the comment!

[@matejkuka797]

I love your videos guys because with your videos my job is more fun :)

[@90fordb2]

This is a very informative video for someone that is new to the trade, it's pretty much everything I would tell a new person in the milling dept, except I don't smash indicators on purpose. It is good to show what happens though for someone who has never experienced that happening. It's not pretty.

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Archief that ondicator breacking , it literaly Hurted me , an the small sidenote in the corner of screen , pure genius ! ..lol Gtrs from the Netherlands Johny geerts Grts from the netherlands

[@wground3130]

I broke Renishaw thus, as shown in the 07:42 minute. DDD well, that only the probe and not the entire measuring holder. Pretty good advice, especially for beginners

[@kylek9188]

How to you call it a specific location on the Haas control? (ex. x2.5 on a mori you would go to g54 workoffset type in location x2.5 and hit measure) ?

[@haroldcook2146]

Excellent tip. Thanks very much!

[@dhanreejsingh6499]

Very knowledgeable videos. Great work

[@MaquinerosCNC]

you are awesome! thanks for all the videos

[@llem346]

Очень наглядная и доступная подача информации. Замечательное видео.

[@lifeinsurance4495]

I love haas machines especially the vf1 and the tl1

[@deepfryguy2013]

I actually gasped at 2:40. Gave me a heart attack.

[@proventure307]

Mr. Mark you are better than my chef in the factory.. i better learn from you.

[@garyrembert5756]

2:39 heart stopped for a sec...

[@user-tc2ky6fg2o]

It really did hurt at the crash. First in stomach then the pain went up to my heart. My brain did not work.

[@machinist7230]

I've found that if .001 is good enough for location, a Blake Co-Ax is the fastest way to find the hole. If you need better accuracy, then switching to a tenth reading indicator will do nicely.

[@Wat-Dat]

This man speaks the truth. My coaxial indicator is the most useful tool in my box. And only $80 on ebay for a cheap one.

[@snoozebutton]

Just did this at my work today and i felt really bad ass

[@fattyinger]

Almost crap myself when you broke that indicator :))))))

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to give you a scare! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@fattyinger]

Just you know how you react when you broke a tool... I literally felt like that :)))

[@jimszabo1239]

On the long stem Mitutoyo 513 series indicator. Get the swivel stem attachment for it. It is the best investment

[@chrischalabi]

Great video! Can you do one on the basics of a probe and how to use it? Thanks, -Chris

[@vishalsutar2422]

Very awesome Gaidens

[@thevacuumtubejunky9774]

Great demonstration. I learned a lot quite quickly. Thank you very much. Kind regards, Eric Dee

[@timmallard5360]

I pooped myself too but the saw the black dial face and knew it was a cheapo-depo. Really like the tip to eyeball the center line at the beginning. The indicator never lies and will save you sanity of the probe is on the fritz.

[@ydna]

look again, that was a Brown and Sharpe Besttest!

[@timmallard5360]

Andrew Ydna DuBuc Ill be dammed your right! I guess Hass needed to create an accurate simulation i guess. Then again a Chinese knock off isn't even even aloud in the parking lot at Hass

[@yalgret]

@@highstreetkillers4377 what's best in your opinion, Mazak?

[@clemenceronald]

OMD! That indicator crash made me jump off my chair!! Nice video as usual minus the crash of course =))

[@climber6477]

2:38 almost gave me a heart attack when I saw that indicator get destroyed.

[@martinhough1664]

What products or methods do you use to keep your table and covers so clean? I have a newish machine that is quickly building up stains on the table top.

[@haasautomation]

Martin - Staining is usually just a visual problem (doesn’t affect table), but I will go ahead and scrub the table with a Maroon Scotch Brite pad, treated lightly with a Castrol Rustilo rust-preventative, or even WD-40, if we need the table pretty for a video. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@luckyphelps8711]

A teach your people that cleanliness is next to Godliness. When you have a five year old table without any "oh sh t" tracks, it becomes personal to keep it that way. Be safe, have fun

[@danield4871]

I remember when I had problems with this, never thought I’d ever get it. Now it takes me seconds. Lol 😂

[@markterryberry4477]

That is so very true. Same thing with making a vise straight.

[@Dubconnectgang]

This has been very helpful!

[@lecappel3916]

Ola Mark. Excelente vídeo, mostrou alternativas que eu não conhecia sobre centragem. Um dos maiores motivos de problemas em usinagem. abraço Le

[@j.thirumalaimech7430]

That is the great video some help ful And how to set down dial centre orgin

[@paolo4285]

Hi, thank you for another explanation important things for machinist. I have a question: what is the brand of horizontal indicator with black dial? I'm trying to find out one which has center of the shank lined up with center of the tip. It is hard to find one. Most of the Mitutoyo has tip off center na could be destroyed while rotating inside the hole or when touching the edge of material. I will be appreciated.

[@markterryberry4477]

This is a TESA Brown and Sharpe BesTest indicator. I've really liked mine for this configuration.

[@paolo4285]

@@markterryberry4477 thank you very much!

[@himanshupandey6183]

Thnx sir for sharing this information..🤗🤗

[@PP-ck4nm]

Very good!

[@phillefever1934]

Thanks for subjecting us all to 2:38

[@GurdevSingh-cx6tv]

Good information thanks sir

[@luckyphelps8711]

Another tip. Before ya got your hundred and fifty dollar indicator in the spindle, run "S100M3" to prevent an accidental spindle start from flinging your indicator across the room. Don't sit there and think it can't happen. True story. I worked at a shop in Fremont CA. We had a good year. Ownership bought us all mititoyo indicators. My boss, one if the owners, accidentally started the spindle which was set pretty fast and shot my two month old indicator across the shop. I was new so I just quietly said damn. He bought a new one, but the lesson is, if the spindle doesn't go fast, it can't fling your tool.

[@businessindustrialnetwork2038]

Great job. Thanks

[@thotaphanindra1432]

great videos sir....please make videos on cutting speeds and feeds, programming

[@steveb936]

@6:13 what does he say, I cant understand him, sound like, "I really klike palywith, this is a 3/8s sensor" ? Thanks

[@inund8]

amazing video!

[@aadavthermocraft936]

I have a small doubt here, what if the needle changes it values along the circumference, but the reading at all the quadrants is zero ? Does that means the bore is a bit oval? Please clarify this. I have been watching your videos regularly and it has helped me a lot in my shop.

[@haasautomation]

Aadav - Yes. It is possible the hole is not perfectly round. In that case we just center things the best we can. When holes must be perfectly round, we usually go with a boring bar, with a single insert. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@TheHalloweenmasks]

Is there a name for the DTI stand that you use in this video? I need one of these.

[@denismorend3884]

Hello, put in G54 annd G55 two differentzeros to make the same piece in different reference points, I did it a while ago in Dewoo 4020 vertical machining center, and I used a Pycock tracer, I see that you use the Z+ for anything the encoder is in a mayor advance , the concentration is paramount and avoid being distracted by third parties, excellent quality of work, naw in another company Iam in charge of center HAAS VF6/50., very good machine, congratulation. Best regards Denis Morend.

[@AshersVids]

I like to put a pin in a tool holder or just line up a tool that is close to the diameter of the hole to speed up the eyeballing. I get much closer to center before I even start indicating.

[@CHRISSHERRON21]

Good Videos thank you.

[@mcf1933]

I noticed at 1:35 you stop to rotate and tap the indicator with your finger. Can I ask why this is done?

[@markterryberry4477]

Before I lower the indicator into the hole, I tap/bend my setup (while rotating) to put the tip of the indicator on the centerline of the spindle. This helps us start close to the hole center, which makes things easier.

[@bennyfrausto3762]

Thank you very helpfull video

[@andreJT9]

2:38 haha it hurts, thanks again and keep up the good work.

[@SpencerWebb]

I think you guys should do several Haas TOTD segments at and with NYC CNC (John Saunders), entitled "Tips for brand new Haas owners". I think it would really work well, and pull in many prospects for new machines. You're welcome. :-) -S (...a happy TL-1 owner)

[@haasautomation]

Hey everyone! A viewer just showed me a magnetic edge finder tool that helps you indicate the edge or corner of a part easily, even if the block is at a funny angle. These are terrific, I need one for my toolbox! Check them out and never stop learning! -Mark, Haas Tip of the Day www.swissprec.com/cgi/ISSRIT2?pmaka=98-337-9&pmctlg=01%26%2365533%3B www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Measuring/PM482.asp

[@julianlopez9123]

Haas Automation, Inc. How do I utilize the magnetic edge finder?

[@jimszabo1239]

If your talking about the Machinist Chair? The company ampg.com is the manufactor of them.. check their page out as they have alot of unique goodies. I found another indicator holder like the stick one that alot of the guys with interapids use. It is made by pmir.com locally to me here in Cleveland,Ohio.. A older gentleman who ran boring mills came up with it. He has them in 1/2", and 3/8" shank. He wants about $50.00 For either one. I bought both. I add the links or take them out to make for a shorty or long length for the tasks I need. Best part is it is more stought and can hold the import indicators and Interapids for almost any regular task

[@luckyphelps8711]

I would add setting the spindle to a low RPM prior to attaching your indicator. "S100 M3" has never shot my indicator across the room. Accidentally starting one at 1500 or so is instant death. When I was just starting out the shop I worked at bought us all new mititoyo indicators. My boss, one of the owners, started the spindle and before he would even say "oh sh. " My indi was scattered. I still have the body. And the indicol is still in use damn near daily. Good series though.

[@Nerwik]

Damn the 2:38 moment made my heart rate skip.. Jesus..

[@garybouchard3587]

thank you

[@jaspreetsinghsidhu9500]

thnks buddy it was very helpful

[@davidjj8027]

Smart method

[@EZ_shop]

Beautiful Bro!

[@mechmotion]

Fantastic video. One tip on the Co-Axis indicator. They sometimes will not read on center due to run out in the holder, so it's a good idea to double check them against a typical indicator. I've got a few non working indicators if you need them for future videos. :-p

[@MegaJohnhammond]

I like the tip about always moving plus first. This is what I've always done. It's impossible to teach people the importance of doing this, of course every idiot with 2 years experience think they're a master machinist. Then, sooner or later they'll crash a probe or an indicator. Then the light goes on.

[@luckyphelps8711]

Z plus 6 or 12 inches depending on z travel is the very first move on any tool when I program. An x or y movement with your junk hanging down is embarrassing and often costly. Also, MDI S100 M3 before you mount an indicator to your spindle. Your indicator and your wallet will thank you

[@petittoto7433]

You can use an horizontal indicator, using the small dove tail on the side of the dial and bend the touch at 80°...

[@egx161]

Great video. TESA shows that the Interapid stylus must be at 12° to the work surface for a true reading w/o cosine error. Does this apply to sweeping a hole? or, as long as you get zero readings, cosine error doesn't apply?

[@haasautomation]

Hi Emilio. I was using a .0005” indicator, meaning that when the needle moves by one line, then I have moved by .0005” - but this is only true if the indicator tip is at a very particular angle (12° like you said, but different for each make of indicator). For us, when sweeping a hole, we don’t have to worry about this Cosine Error. As long as we read “0” from all directions, we know we are on center. Great question. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@egx161]

That's what I thought. Thank you. Since it's a comparative measurement, like you wrote; as long as you get zero in each axis. Makes sense.

[@jasonbourne4865]

Everything is so clean and tidy in these videos and the machines are spotless! Myself, I got coolant grease everywhere and am constantly picking metal slivers out of my palm... xD

[@massimonobili8253]

Bel video..vi chiedevo avete un video per centrare le punte da forare al tornio?

[@dwivedisachin06]

thanks this video is fully help me

[@frankg521]

Do you have a link for these indicators you used here

[@amritpalsingh-rr3xq]

It 's giving very good knowlege

[@LappyLP]

I flinched so hard at 2:38

[@RavindraKumar-fe1yx]

Thanks sir

[@ShubhamPatil-wz1hv]

It's very useful