Hack Your Brain with Polyphasic Sleep

[@NoBoilerplate]

ERRATA - Ugh, military time was not the right choice. After the fact, I realised I should have settled on "7 o'clock, 23 o'clock" etc, as a good mix of natural-sounding and precise. - I should have mentioned i was weightlifting during this experiment, and found no change in my recovery, probably due to the fact I sit at my desk for 16 hours a day! 😂 - I stopped after 2 months because I had an injury that kept me in bed for a while. I was sad, but my sleep schedule had been fixed! - Some folks asked "is it memory safe" which 1. is a solid pun, and 2. I think E2 is. I felt totally fine cognitively, I was still getting a solid 4:30 core sleep with my two siestas. I felt great!

[@codyadam6146]

What do you mean by "my sleep scheduke had been fixed!" ? Did you continue E2 ? or back to normie sleepie ? (if so, why not go back to E2 ?)

[@paradiseexpress3639]

Adverse impact of polyphasic sleep patterns in humans: Report of the National Sleep Foundation sleep timing and variability consensus panel

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

scheduke

[@MichaelMantion]

I am sure I could figure it out, but how long have you been on everyman? ok I went back, It appears that you have been doing it for 2 years? Is that correct?

[@tordjarv3802]

The more I think about it, this video might actually be harmful. Insomnia is a very common problem [1], I myself have had periods of insomnia throughout my adult life. Insomnia can have many different causes and can take many different shapes. As I understood it you had problem with falling asleep, but once you where asleep you had no problem staying asleep, I on the other hand had relatively easy falling asleep but I woke up super early (still tired beyond belief) but couldn't get back to sleep. Then you state that shifting to a polyphasic sleep schedule helped you (congratulations that it worked for you, it did not work for me) and then use that as evidence that this will solve sleep for everyone by referring to some pseudo-scientific nonsense. Sleep is to a large part still a poorly understood topic and is a highly active research field. Mechanisms such as the glymphatic system (which engages during non-REM sleep and is the primary mechanism to clean the brain of toxic waste [2]) was only recently discovered, in 2012 to be specific. I do not think it is wrong to encourage people to experiment and see what sleep schedule works best for them, but giving this one size fits all statements are just wrong. To some degree I think that this video is not that different from videos made by antivaxers (maybe less harmful since it is easier to change to a different sleep schedule if the current one doesn't work then get a vaccine when you get sick. Once you have measelse, vaccines won't help you). [1]: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5353813/ [2]: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698404/

[@malicemike6875]

Laying down for 20 mins and actually getting 20 mins of sleep is completely different

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's the adaptation period in a nutshell. For me, it took 4 days to actually start sleeping during the day. After 2 weeks I was sleeping within 2 minutes. Interestingly, this is a skill that I've retained, after going back to monophasic!

[@denizonder4812]

@@NoBoilerplate oh so you did go back to monophasic? Why?

[@ChillAutos]

@@NoBoilerplate Why did you go back if it was so good?

[@FAKEONER]

@@ChillAutos he explains it in the pinned comment

[@Tate525]

@@denizonder4812 No one wants to die at a very young age, these sleep schedules may not take same toll on your brain in the immediate short to mid term, but they definitely stress the shit out of your heart and other vital support organs.

[@Spookyhoobster]

I did polyphasic sleep 12 years ago. I was 16 and in the middle of a summer break. I loved the extra time and enjoying the peace and quite of night-time. Only thing I love more than that is how stubbornly inflexible our society is :^). Always wished I could go back to it, but the only thing harder than adjusting to polyphasic sleep is having an opportunity to put it into practice.

[@NoBoilerplate]

For sure, it's a rare treat. when I realised covid had caused the perfect conditions I was on it SO FAST!

[@Borgilian]

What are you talking about? The fault doesn't lie with society... polyphasic sleep is garbage. You have entire structures in your brain designed specifically to respond to sunlight (hormone levels/production, heart rate regulation etc.). I have tried for years most of these alternative sleep schedules, and they all lead to issues long term. They only seem to work for the first few months, and then you realize too late that you've screwed yourself up. It takes a lot of time to undo the damage. For example, did you know that even your attention span is dependent on your sleep schedule? If you train yourself to stay awake at night, you won't be able to focus during the day as much as you should. That interferes with your job, your driving etc. Every behavior you have leads to a number of chemicals and hormones which get released in different quantities and different time intervals. The human body is constantly adapting to your behaviors (it's basically an organic machine learning unit), and it becomes hard to change certain behaviors. You want the best sleep schedule? Look in nature... look at chickens, look at your dog, look at your cow... look at non-nocturnal mammals. They sleep at sunset and wake at sunrise, because they're integrated into a natural cycle... and so are you. You'll find nothing good going against nature.

[@mast-uw8ex]

@@Borgilian just so you know, most animals have polyphasic sleep(even the ones you mentioned). Monophasic sleep in nature is a danger most animals cannot afford since it opens them up to predators so not many animals actually do it. Also humans before the industrial revolution were recorded to have a biphasic sleep. I personally still think monophasic sleep is the right choice for me, but people who decide to try polyphasic sleep are not going against nature.

[@IN-pr3lw]

@@mast-uw8ex But we're humans not most animals.

[@Spookyhoobster]

​@@Borgilian Sleep is a poorly understood behavior in general. Most advice is conservative because we know it's important, and it's better to just "not fuck it up" instead of actually experimenting with it. And that's usually pretty good advice. Literally 99.9999% of people shouldn't try polyphasic sleep for a variety of reasons (job, kids, etc.), but you're making all these claims about how it has damaging long-term consequences and that's all anecdotal and unsubstantiated (or based on studies done on people with nocturnal sleep schedules, not balanced polyphasic sleep schedules). Stop trying to sound like the world's foremost expert on a topic that's not well understood by even the ACTUAL experts.

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

Biphasic sleep is easily the easiest way to sleep. Go to bed when the sun sets, wake up in the middle of the night, go back to bed for round two and then wake up when the sun rises. This is also much easier to do if you are living in the equator or during spring and autumn everywhere else in the world. That's because the sun rises and sets as close to about 6am/pm respectively.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yeah, I've heard that too! fascinating! We're not done learning about sleep, as a species, I think.

[@t_kups8309]

With time from sunset to sunrise varying from 4 hours to 20 hours during the year, that doesn't seem like such a good strat xd

[@keyfpenc11]

I do this when my sleep schedule is screwed

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

@@keyfpenc11 same

[@yeders]

What time do you wake up and then resleep during the night hours?

[@friendlybear5924]

I just realised I have attempted polyphasic sleep in the past without realizing. Every day I spend about 30 min on the bus to school and back. And often times I would have a nap during the ride. And now that I come to think about it, I always felt really fresh and awake after my bus-naps

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes! Love a bus nap!

[@linkly9272]

Oh, that’s not because of the sleep schedule or anything. It’s just because during that time I would steal your DS from your backpack and slightly level up your Pokémon.

[@0vgr.mek.kawi6]

how’d you wake up before you reached your bus stop?

[@friendlybear5924]

@@0vgr.mek.kawi6 I woke up every 2 minutes or so and fell right back to sleep. So I kinda knew how far it was, until I had to get off. It's kinda miraculous that I didn't once miss my stop

[@Kaluzzay]

@@0vgr.mek.kawi6 i did it like this for more than 15 years during school and college. Wake up 5:30 AM, sleep on bus from 6 to 7 AM, then sleep again during the way back (sometimes around midday, sometimes around 5 PM.) During college i would sleep similarly, but it was during the night: 5 to 6 PM and 22 to 23 PM. For waking up, you kinda get used to it. I would always set an alarm on my cellphone 5 minutes before my stop. The bus had a very regular schedule.

[@CJMattias]

Having watches in the navy meant sleeping 2-3 times per day. I was always really surprised to learn that my combined sleep time was even below 6 hours, yet I was feeling very fresh a lot of the time. There's something to that idea.

[@shnx3778]

Without realizing it, this was my sleep schedule for a bit, 6 hours of core sleep and a 20-30 minute nap in the after noon. It worked great until one day my schedule was nicked out of place and I felt exhausted.

[@NoBoilerplate]

the more spread out your sleep is over the day, the more fragile the schedule is, alas!

[@lampboy926]

This is me too. I sleep about 5 hrs of core sleep and take some frequent short naps afternoon. One thing I found is I can get extremely tired If I break this schedule a little bit, like, reducing the core sleeptime for about half or whole hour or sometimes few minuts could affect the condition a lot, at least to me.

[@cobalius]

jepp, mine too

[@petrektek1385]

If you don't sleep 8 hours during the 24 you'll be in debt. The debt will accumulate mathematically.

[@J2982able]

@@petrektek1385 Sad but true, the modern ideology of 'catching up on sleep' simply doesn't work. You will always owe the piper.

[@energyman100]

I'm about to oxidize my sleep schedule

[@Mempler]

Just don't get rusty

[@elweewutroone]

Oxidation Is Loss Reduction Is Gain

[@wyattmeyer8703]

OILRIG

[@waffles6132]

How did it go?

[@Slavasil]

@@elweewutroone i don't need these extra electrons

[@rtsa4633]

I was listening this without watching in bed for no reason in particular and realised that you would be great at audio only based content too like podcasts. Great voice and audible and visual presentation of ideas.

[@NoBoilerplate]

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[@LinkEX]

@@NoBoilerplate Awesome. Just found your video by chance and had a similar experience as OP. I love listening to podcasts, so this just made a new unexpected entry in my list. Programming topics can be a bit hard to deliver in audio alone, but this seems more like a variety podcast with a unique premise from a developer lens.

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@LinkEX Well wonderful, I hope you like it! LT is a scifi podcast on the surface, but underneath it's secretly about mental health, through the lens of AI!

[@Yazon2006]

Intersting fact. I was watching it without audio but with subs

[@Shampoo1014]

@@NoBoilerplate Omg yes, just found your channel and now your podcasts! Time to binge...

[@SergioPSC]

1 coffee and that sleep schedule is gonna crumble like a house of cards

[@NoBoilerplate]

You're right! polyphasic.net recommends skipping caffeine while you do your experiment. I was able, after 2 weeks, to introduce a cup of tea after I wake from each phase, and that seemed to work fine!

[@bienzoo]

Haha I was considering polyphasic until i realized this. It would be hard to separate myself from coffee

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@bienzoo every day I'm so grateful that I drink tea XD

[@moafwaz5563]

@@NoBoilerplate would this be the same for ADHD stimulant medication? If so I'm already doomed and still tired.....

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@moafwaz5563 People tell me it's nearly impossible to nap on adhd medicine? If so, this is not the hack for you. Perhaps focusing on sleep hygiene and routine might help? The stricter you are, the less time you need in bed! Less extreme hack, more of exactly what our parents told us for years, sorry! XD

[@the-first-joe]

Not telling others your goals can be backed by some studies. Not seeking praise, letting others talk you out of your goal or even questioning your intentions can give one a reason to stop when it becomes difficult.

[@thodorisevangelakos]

I honestly feel like not getting a dopamine hit by bragging about what you're going to do results in you seeking that dopamine from actually accomplishing your goals

[@the-first-joe]

@@thodorisevangelakos I completely agree. It all starts so innocent with wanting to share someone close to me but it does more harm than good in both the long run and my experience.

[@JeffHanke]

I find for myself that it can be a good way to keep myself accountable. If I don't tell anyone It's easier for me to just quietly give up, but if my friends know it's a bit more of a barrier. I do think it depends on your friends' reactions though.

[@k98killer]

​​@@JeffHanke I've recently set up a small server running Kanboard and made several, publicly viewable boards relating to important goals so that others can track my progress. Maybe this experiment will prove the technique to be useful for streamlining communication in a way that does not dodge accountability, but, at the very least, having a clear set of tasks makes it easier to stay focused in my experience.

[@donDanDeNiro]

Did you consider athletes in this experiment?

[@joey199412]

Didn't work for me and I've tried every sleep system out there because I was also suffering from chronic sleep deprivation, which I feel is extremely common among software developers (which is your target demographic). The thing that helped me is to set an alarm clock at the same time 7 days a week and forcing myself to wake up at that time. Sometimes I only slept 3 hours sometimes I woke up before the time but was forced to lay in bed without grabbing my laptop. But over months and eventually years it eventually resulted in my body just deciding on its own when to want to sleep and never feeling tired when waking up because my body already knew inherently when I was going to wake up and my circadian rythm just adapted the REM sleep in accordance with when it expected me to wake up, which was always at the exact same time so that my biological clock realized this. It's been 7 years since I started it and my quality of life is a lot better now. My wife doesn't complain about me looking like a zombie with black rings around the eyes anymore. I actually feel tired before going to sleep and I'm a more consistent worker instead of having sudden bouts of high performance and moments of brain fog which I usually had throughout life and everyone with insomnia can recognize.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I agree, for most people, a fixed alarm in the morning will be best. But some people might find the experiment useful, as I did

[@MommysGoodPuppy]

thats a great idea, ive been doing the opposite having an alarm based on when i go to bed but thats definitely the wrong approach

[@Neomadra]

Did you also travel in this time to other timezones? Would be interested to hear how strong the habit stays after returning from a large timezone difference

[@joey199412]

@@Neomadra Yeah. I've traveled multiple times for work. Jetlag is worse now than it used to be but the cycle doesn't get disrupted.

[@Phasma6969]

You might be vitamin D and magnesium deficient, friend. B vitamins too, very crucial.

[@pali3329]

Really like the concept, but Id be interested in reaction time and cognitive ability tests comparing Monophasic and Polyphasic sleep. Sometimes the way you feel doesnt line up with the way you actually are, it would be really interesting if the brain is just adapting to the new scedule and making you feel normal while not actually working well.

[@NoBoilerplate]

That'd be a good improvement on my method. I was playing video games while polyphasing, I should have kept track of my scores! However, consider: E2 is only slightly different from E1, which is a normal siesta schedule.

[@stephendaedalus7841]

@@NoBoilerplate small changes in complex systems can have huge impacts! Would be interesting to see any studies on this.

[@ajtatosmano2]

I don't remember the source unfortunately so you have to rely on my word, but I've read about biphasic sleep in medieval times. Sounded interesting, so I've read after it and found a study saying that most people even though feeling rested, performed worse on cognitive tests.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

This. I saw not too long ago an expert talking about this. They did some tests on people not sleeping at all, sleeping for 4, 6 and 8 hours and found that all of them with time would get worse and worse results, even though they felt ok. A big note on the people who slept 8 hours was that in the 14 day study, after day 6 or 7 something like that, the tests declined a bit, and then they stabilized but they didn't feel tired at all. So basically, they were performing worse without feeling worse. Doesn't matter how you feel sometimes, you might perform great even feeling bad.

[@chungyinlee8905]

@@ajtatosmano2 yea, it totally makes sense to me, sleeping time does matter in cognitive behavior like memory and emotions, and in physical growth; where sleeping took many stages and have different functionality of each stage. Though, i haven't read much about how it affects in detail, but at least there are these fucs on the text book i read in intro to psychology. And I think the shortened sleeping block needed to explore in the direction of how effective cognitive behaviour compares to normal 8 hrs of sleep.

[@clintbustwood4800]

This took a lot of practice. Grew up working with my dad and his lawn care company which were big into naps at noon. Afterwards I went college and went back to “monophasic” and then joined the army and became a master at naps. I’ve started an office job now and I’ve struggled a lot with adjusting back to the socially acceptable style of rest

[@SangokuKing]

I find that siesta in generals are simply a great way of recovery. When i was an intern, i saw a big pattern of sleepiness after lunch. I knew about post-prendial effect on the body, but that was true for everyone around me, but it seemed i was the only one to struggle that much. I tried to do a 20min siesta, in a sitting position, head on my desk, brown noise in my earbuds. For me, clos8ng my eyes are enough to fall asleep, even in a lit and noisy environement. After those 20 minutes, i felt like i had taken 5 coffee, and the feeling stayed for the afternoon. People were not very enthousiast at the idea of the somewhat new intern sleeping on his desk, but it was during lunch time and it did help with productivity, so they could not say anything about it. As of today, i converted some people to the 20-min-sitting-down siesta at work. It never stopped working for me. The only downside is missing social gathering during break, but my prodoctivity is worth it and people now understand. The weird thing is, if i do the same thing but laying down (at home, not at work) it completely reverses the effects. I get tired, i am foggy, i feel like a truck hit me. But sitting (even at home), that 20min sleep instantly wake me up feeling ready to run a 4km sprint.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Interesting! I forget who did this (tesla or someone like that I bet): Sitting in an armchair, holding a bunch of keys in your hand, with a metal plate underneath it. When you fall asleep, you drop the keys, which hit the plate loudly, and wake you up. Perfect short powernap (apparently!)

[@EphemeralPseudonym]

It's probably got to do with oxygen flow. Sleeping lying down in a small unventilated bedroom will give you some poor air quality

[@Aranarth78]

@@NoBoilerplate I think it was Salvador Dali.

[@Aranarth78]

About the lying down part: you could try to incline your bed. IIRC there was a mechanical fluid engineer that was showing why a 15 degrees incline would greatly benefit your blood flow and overall sleep quality.

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@Aranarth78 Dali! Of course! he wanted that dreamlike state

[@gasgano8255]

Polyphasic is utopian in our society, but biphasic is compatible with many life situations. My early shifts start at 7am and end at 2pm, allowing me to have 3-6 sleep both am and pm. I do think that its sustainable, not a huge adjustment and still gives you 1-2h each day for most people. Sadly i also have sporadic late shifts which fuck it up.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I should have been clearer in the video about how biphasic/siesta/etc are all types of polyphasic sleep - multiple phases. I REALLY like E1 for most people - I'm going to start doing it tomorrow

[@arti6okk]

@@NoBoilerplate oo! How did it go?

[@whitenightmare3575]

I didn't know about polyphasic sleep, but I did have a weird experience earlier this year. I had so much work to do that I didn't have time to sleep the full night. Most days I simply felt awful in the morning, but a couple of times I fell asleep when getting home at 18:00 for something like 40 min. Then I would sleep between 00:00 and 04:00. And when I woke up I felt amazing. Best sleep ever. At the time I thought my body was so tired it confused itself into being full of energy, but in retrospect it might be connected to this topic.

[@NoBoilerplate]

You accidentally did polyphasic sleep! Some wierd form of E1, perhaps?

[@KayleMaster]

Nope, you just woke up at the end of your REM sleep cycle. There alarm clock apps that track your sleep cycles and wake you up at the end of them. If ypu wake in the moddle of REM you will be way more tired as you are chock full of hormones that make you sleepy and paralized (in order to not move during a dream)

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@KayleMaster I've heard people say the opposite: if you wake up from deep sleep you feel groggy, but if you wake up during REM you feel alert, and can remember your dream. We don't know much about this!

[@Karenpayne47]

@@NoBoilerplate Is REM not deep sleep? I had always heard so….but I often dream right off, even as I am going to sleep, and I cannot be in REM that soon…

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@Karenpayne47 No, I blieve REM is quite a light sleep, deep sleep is very little brain activity, no dreams.

[@SirHobben]

As a narcoleptic this interests me because it takes me about 5-10 mins into sleep to reach REM compared to the average time of 90 mins. Something like the Uberman is like subjecting your body to the quantities of stage 3 sleep of that a person with narcolepsy has. Not experiencing enough stage 3 sleep is really rough on your body. You will feel tired. Stage 3 sleep is where your body releases growth hormone and where a lot of other appetite regulating hormones are released. There is data that indicates that a lack of deep sleep leads to a lot of physiological problems. Also for narcoleptics there is a significant correlation with anxiety and depression. Who knows if that correlation is caused by a lack of deep sleep or the possible autoimmune disorders that also cause narcolepsy. In the end quantitative data surrounding sleep is hard to gather. If you are going to experiment with your sleep schedules I implore people find a purpose for wanting to sleep less other than simply" having more time to be awake". From a small sample size of my friends I can certainly say that the the people that tend to get the most work done/do the most, in a day, also tend to sleep the longest.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I'm sorry to hear about this, what a terrible condition! I totally agreed with you: I certainly don't recommend 'uberman', as I hope was clear in the video. Siesta schedules, like E1 and E2 are gentler, and provide a good option for people looking to experiment and pinch back a few hours a day. I agree that it's important to have a good reason for doing a polyphasic schedule, but given the difficulties, I wonder if that group is self-selecting? I'm looking to do E1 from next week because I'd really like a few extra hours before breakfast to write youtube scripts, my podcasts, and music! :-)

[@maiorskillsxd6912]

I like the statement that simply looking for a way to decrease the total amount of sleep needed per day might not be the best motivation to change the sleep schedule. I naturally transitioned into some kind of polyphasic sleep some years ago and I'm still sticking to it. My sleep quality definitely improved, however, the total amount of sleep I get per day didn't significantly change.

[@Jean-LucLamarque]

No ways a fellow narcoleptic💥 actually glad to have seen this comment. A lot of stuff I've had to self-diagnose over years is in your comment...unreal :') I can't get through a through a work day without at least 2 naps...and yeah level 3 sleep is non-existent.

[@strawgod]

at the end of high school, i adopted a biphasic sleep schedule where i sleep at 10, wake up at 2, sleep again at 4 and wake up at 8. after two years of that i was able to do that consistently but a couple years and a dozen or so mess-ups later and now i’m staying up til 5, waking up at 9, crashing at 11, and finally waking up at 3. literally watching this as the sun rises lmao

[@angryjugplayer1884]

I tried hacking my brain once but I accidentally bricked it by putting the wrong instructions into the command prompt.

[@impyrobot]

rm -r -f my brain

[@avithedev]

Its my first time hearing this and I've actually been living it all a long. I sleep 2-3 hours in the day and 2-3 hours during the night. And I feel very active and I'm productive throughout the day.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Your avatar of a cat is very prescient!

[@WhyyuuplayinZord]

hey dude sorry to bother you but how did u managed to develop a certain sleep schedule to fit your daily routine and tasks if u dont mind i'd love to hear your advises and how can i do the same as you, thank you!

[@sevenhecks]

@@WhyyuuplayinZord I tried polyphasic sleeping a long time ago and the trick for me was lots of alarms and reminders, written and digital. Also, lots of discipline. If you really want it you have to make it happen.

[@janeymers7154]

Actually that was my sleep schedule while in german navy. On small boats you have 6h watch, 6h off. But while on offwatch you also have some duties, have to ingest two meals and care for hygiene and/or sports. Doesnt take much adaption time as well, id say about 2 days based on experience. Strangely I also gained the ability to sleep everywhere and whenever, which i lost after following a "normal" sleep schedule again.

[@hsdte95]

​@@janeymers7154 I could do the same in the military when we were in the field for one or two weeks and I had to get up once or twice a night for multiple hours. It is called "Behaviorally Induced Insufficient Sleep Syndrome" which is a mouthful and being able to fall asleep anytime and everywhere is actually a symptom.

[@mllenessmarie]

I was obsessed with the polyphasic sleep when I was a teenager, but unfortunately in my case it doesn't quite work. What works however, is this biphasic sleep - one late afternoon, then I wake up extremely rested (and I clean, eat, study, read, have fun), the second sleep is a night one, however this one is shorter. Apparently this process has been way in the past as people back then have "two sleeps" - I highly recommend googling this phenomenon.

[@NoBoilerplate]

nice! yeah, 'polyphasic' is an umbrella term that covers biphasic, do check out www.polyphasic.net/biphasic-2/

[@WolfgangDoW]

Also important to note that the circadian rhythm is shifted later in teen years, why it's so hard for teenagers to get up early for school for example

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

@@WolfgangDoW I'm 27 and it's still hard for me to wake up early tbh lol

[@TheHappyZappy]

@@pedrosilvaproductions I think it’s more in contrast to younger kids, who naturally wake up earlier :) the able bodied teens need to be able to stay awake to protect their families from tigers and wolves during the night, at least from an evolutionary standpoint. Lots of schools actually make teens get up EALIER than elementary/middle school kids which is all kinds of messed up :/

[@Ozzianman]

​@@TheHappyZappy I actually find it harder to wake up than when I was a teen. I went from struggling to fall asleep as a child, to struggling to wake up as an adult.

[@rtnjo6936]

Well done; I tried this method 2 years ago. 24 y.o. Programmer. Goal: I was in the process of switching my professional field. This required extensive studying. So I wanted to increase my learning speed by increasing amount of waking hours. Result: I gave up on the 5th month as I became less productive and felt tired. Overall decreased motivation and mood. I caught myself many times sleeping while waking or reading comprehension decreased, had to reread some things 2-3 times. Hallucinations, I was staring at the carpet, was awake, but had a dream with sounds. Part of me still thinks I have damaged my brain because of this experiment. I tried this experiment 5-6 times, but it was only a short time, 2-3 weeks, until I found my schedule, 2 hours at night: 11pm - 1am. And 2 1-hour naps during a day; I am trying to remember which time exactly, but I planned to have a qual time gap to recover. I asked my little brother to wake me up no matter what I say or do or how tired I look because I believed that after some time, I would adjust. Possible failure reason: I was living with my parents, and sometimes I had guests, kids especially, who sometimes woke me up during my daily nap. Yeah. It could have compounded to the point that I needed more sleep, but my strict sleep habit was my priority, so I couldn't adapt and return to the net zero. Also, lots of stress at that time. Some personal stuff. BTW: Would I try it again? No. Don't even think about it. It's not even short-term beneficial. The best is to stick to 8 hours of sleep + workout + eat well, + WORK HARD to have more freedom than more slave hours, and the MAIN thing, have love and peace with yourself and your family. It's not even negotiable because It's the foundation for your future. The most frustrating part about this guidance is that folks don't wanna listen, believing there are still easy ways out. As a result, nearly everyone discovers the truth the difficult way, just like I did.

[@anon1963]

yeah. there's no scientific evidence for benefits of polyphasic sleep. it probably will cause sleep deprivation in the long run

[@danynata9337]

can you elaborate on the brain damage part? what potential signs show up?

[@rtnjo6936]

@@danynata9337 nothing special really, only sometimes when I can sleep without alarm, I sleep at least 9+ hours, it's almost 8 hours is not enough anymore. My learning ability overall is the same as my mental state.

[@kv4648]

​@@rtnjo6936 I had the same after I had spent months at an average of 4 hours for several months and 6 hours for years. After I disconnected from the concept of night and day signalling sleep and slept whenever I wanted I returned to a healthy 8 hour cycle naturally (more like 7:40-50)

[@ezzellvfx2169]

@@rtnjo6936 I read somewhere that 8 1/2 is optimal. Mostly due to the fact that it takes the average person about half an hour to slip into sleep. People hopping into bed with an alarm set for 8 hours are only getting 7 1/2 on average a night. So they are losing 3-4 hours of sleep a week.

[@hgbugalou]

My main issue with aggressive polyphasic sleep is it runs contrary to our evolved circadian rhythm that is based around the rising and setting of the sun. There has been some recent striking findings about sun exposure, the timing of said exposure, and even the wavelengths you are exposed to and its long term effects on a wide variety health issues. Getting up before the sun is up, (especially by several hours) as well as going to bed many hours past sun down seems to affect many bio-mechanisms in our body negatively. That said, I am more open to doing this for a 6 month stretch to get a major project done, my concern is more around doing this for years. If you are interested in some of the data I mentioned, I recommend giving this a listen. Its a little long, but fascinating, and can be just listened too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4q5kJyBo993iMk

[@NoBoilerplate]

Very interesting, there's certainly a lot to learn about how sleep affects our bodies and brains, thank you for the link. My suspicion is that the three 'Everyman' variants that I talked about in the video, E1, E2, E3, all get plenty enough of core sleep that they remain pretty good for most people, Certainly E2 felt straightforward for me. As you say, short project-focussed periods of Everyman seem useful. The 'nap-only' variants, like 'uberman' are seemingly impossible, as I said. Those I'd be very cautious about trying, even as a short experiment!

[@hbarghostchain2352]

@@NoBoilerplate uberman sleep schedule and everything with less that 2h sleep blocks is garbage. deep sleep is needed for tissue repair and immune system function as two important examples. you WILL NOT be healthy if you are depriving yourself of deep sleep blocks

[@guesswho2778]

did you know that pre industrial societies often slept in two phases? a first sleep and a second sleep, one started at sunset and ended sometime around midnight and the other started a few hours after that and ended as the sun rose. sleeping throughout the night in one block is a relatively new thing. medieval workers in europe often had a lot of naps during the day between stretches of work, cant comment on those specific individuals night schedule though, ive not looked into this bit a lot

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@guesswho2778 I've heard that too, I wish I'd put it in the video as an example of the prevalence of non-monophasic sleep! This old method of sleep was extremely common in the winter, when there was much more than 8h of darkness, and candles a precious resource.

[@creativecraving]

Well, if your monophasic sleep schedule is actually working, you might not want to change. 😂 I, OTOH, cannot get asleep at night, nor stay awake in the day. Worth a shot!

[@aaronruinslives]

I just figured out how I don’t die at school… I go to sleep at like 1am, wake up at 5:50am, get ready and sleep on the bus for bout 20 minutes and when I get out at 2:40, I sleep on the way back for like 20 minutes. I’m almost never tired and now I guess this is why

[@NoBoilerplate]

having a nap while on public transport is awesome

[@aaronruinslives]

@@NoBoilerplate Finally someone who gets it

[@KartikayBagla]

Definitely looks interesting. Also I can't overstate the impact that not eating at nighttime has. Personal anecdote: I've been suffering from similar issues that you mentioned about an inability to fall asleep as well as the ability to stay asleep. Generally i can manage this and be productive but things got out of hand at the start of this year. So much so i was miserable. It took a week for me to get back on track and now I have a stable 11-6 sleep schedule. Tips: People online are correct, I didn't believe in some of the tips i found online but they have worked for me (maybe it's placebo but i don't mind it as long as it works). Basically turn off your lights at night, and get some sun in the day with bright lights. Don't eat or drink coffee after sunset. Preferably give yourself 15-30 minutes of no screen before sleeping which will help you get in the mood to sleep. I think I'll try polyphasic sleep after a couple of months, once I've fallen into my current routine as habit.

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's great! Even a siesta gives good improvement it seems

[@marcusannegarn8497]

Funny enough, I'm the opposite. I need to eat before bed. I can not sleep if I am the tiniest bit hungry.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

The tips you mentioned are not given online. Those tips are actual studied facts. Drinking coffee and blue lights from TV, Computer or Phones slow down the adenosine receptors (which make you feel drowsy and sleepy) making you alert and awake for longer. After you fall asleep your adenosine doesn't recover so when you wake up and still feel tired it's the issue. Usually it's related to that. Additionally, eating before sleeping does something similar in that regard too, because your body needs to spend energy digesting the food. If you fall asleep after eating a big meal which spends more energy, you risk your digestion to stop and that can be fatal. But your body can respond naturally to it by making you throw the food out

[@ahmed.systems]

Love the different topics you cover. Keep it up!

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you! I'm alternating: one rust, one other. ☺️

[@ahmed.systems]

​@@NoBoilerplate Variety is always good, and it doesn't hurt that the topics interest us (should I just speak for myself?). Planning to start a everyman schedule from today, cold turkey. Wish me luck!

[@voicedrewxyz]

Suprised to see a video like this on NB. You're doing great Tris!

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you! My schedule is half rust, half cool shit :D

[@UloPe]

As someone who had untreated sleep apnea for a long time it would be very interesting to me to see how people on polyphasic sleep do on some of the standardized sleep questionnaires (e.g. the Epworth Sleepiness Scale). I ask because while I had apnea I never really felt like anything was wrong, I was just tired a lot. Your comment about being ready to drop at 22:00 kind of reminded me of that.

[@brandonthiergart660]

Thanks for making this video, great to hear your experience! In my late 30s, I was able to do the E3 schedule for about 18 months back in 2018-19. According to my sleep tracking app I got an average of 4.5 hours of sleep for that entire period of time. I loved having the quiet time in the early morning hours to work on a project I needed to get done. My core sleep was from 22:30 to 2:30 and took 20 minute naps before breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Most of the time I was able to plan it so my first nap allowed me to wake up to the sunrise at the same time as my wife. A couple of times a month I would crash and just sleep all night as a bit of a reset, this was also necessary if I ever missed a nap the day before. I came to really enjoy the naps, I carried a blackout mask and a neck pillow with me so I could always be comfortable no matter where I was even if I had to nap in the car. I would set my alarm for 23 minutes which gave me enough time to relax, fall asleep and get the perfect 20 minute nap. Then I would wake up, have a bite to eat and be ready to go. I felt like my concentration increased and really felt great as long as I stuck to the schedule precisely. But as soon as that project was complete it was all too easy just to stay in bed all night. It takes a lot of motivation to overcome the pressure to conform to "a normal schedule"

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you for your account. Yes absolutely, society has a lot of pressure!

[@pancakedrivet]

I did E2 for 3 months as an experiment. It was very interesting as a self reflective exercise as I dreamed a lot more during the core sleep and paid a lot more attention to my bodys sleep signals. I stopped after 3 months because I was at university and started missing out on social events. (Timing shifts and alcohol can really mess with polyphasicsleep quality from my experience) and I worked in a lab where there was nowhere I could consistently have my qfternoon nap. There were a few awkward conversations with my supervisor... Its something i would consider trying again if my schedule would allow for it (currently it doesn't).

[@spicybaguette7706]

I also wanna try E2 out, but as a university student I also would miss out a lot socially since a lot of my social time extends well into the 22/24 hour mark

[@NoBoilerplate]

At the very least E1 (with a siesta SOMETIME between 12-15) can be very good

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes, starting and stopping polyphasing is very normal I think, depending on life!

[@kartik4792]

Intresting, I need 9-10hrs sleep to fill fully energetic. Whenever I get less than 8 hour sleep I fill mild headache and nausea through out the day, and only able to focus on work for 2-3 hours. I think polyphasic sleep can work for those who don't require to put much mental efforts in their work. But thanks No Boilerplate for introducing concept of polyphasic sleep

[@NoBoilerplate]

oh totally, we're all very different. I even believe that SOME people can do uberman! But maybe try a siesta, E1?

[@ALWentMIAin2019]

I just wanted to say this is one of the best planned and executed "essay videos" I've seen on KZbin so far. You've made me curious and truly inspired to give it a go. You've won a subscriber

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you! This is my new standard of video, I started doing programming videos, but I have branched out into other technical topics that intrigue me!

[@ALWentMIAin2019]

@@NoBoilerplate I fully advocate you keep the format as an option :)

[@cobralyoner]

tried this once and was ready to end it all on the 5th day. I wasn't tired but I was miserable like never before

[@floatpoint1050]

Man, I think I found my new favorite channel. Just love the presentation

[@NoBoilerplate]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@dannygonzolez8915]

I hadn’t realized but I also may have accidentally tried polyphasic sleep. Usually after coming home from uni, I’d sleep around 10pm out of pure exhaustion. Almost like clockwork, I’d somehow wake up around 2-3 am, remembering to do my assignments. Id stay up the whole morning and I genuinely felt more productive.

[@NoBoilerplate]

sounds like E1 to me!

[@PineCone227_]

Im basically accidentally in E1 aswell, it seems

[@paradiseexpress3639]

Adverse impact of polyphasic sleep patterns in humans: Report of the National Sleep Foundation sleep timing and variability consensus panel

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yeah, more investigation is needed. But that could be you!

[@TheLethallego]

This article excludes the kind of sleep schedule present in the video: "We did not include studies of afternoon naps or siestas, since they do not resemble the common schedules advocated by polyphasic sleep enthusiasts". Still, the article does suggest that reduction in sleep time has adverse effects, although there appears to be only one study listed where the participants have been on polyphasic sleep for an extended period of time (longer than 10 days).

[@donDanDeNiro]

Did you consider athletes in this experiment?

[@Dogo.R]

This sort of sleep modification is basicly saying "When I sleep and im still mid sleep but done with my REM for the night, the fact that if I then wake up it leaves me tired, is my body being stupid. And sleeping many times is just the way to stop my body being stupid." But I dont really understand that. Id just try to learn to be productive during your sleep instead.

[@somerandomdude8837]

@@Dogo.R oh yeah lemme just change the way that my body handles sleep, such an easy thing to do. You know, all these people with "insomnia" and all just have skill issue, I am obviously qualified to say so

[@FreddyRangel85]

My time in the Army convinced me something like this is possible and healthy. I learned to sleep anywhere, even standing in formation in the morning. And the minute I close my eyes I immediately start dreaming. Now during the work week I’ll sleep 5-6 hours and take a 20 minute nap and sleep in on the weekends. I’ve done jt for years and so far it works for me.

[@quora1820]

Does the army 'train' you on this or is it just how their schedule works?

[@FreddyRangel85]

@@quora1820 Some level of sleep depravation is always part of training so you learn to catch any sleep while you can. Some schools like Ranger School specifically incorporate long stretches sleep depravation and starvation to simulate combat conditions. There are real life combat situations where you can't sleep for days so it has to be trained for. A good soldier can sleep anywhere anytime :)

[@seanomik6176]

When do you take the nap? The polyphasic sleep site shows it at 1pm, that wouldn't work for me since I'm at work

[@FreddyRangel85]

@@seanomik6176 hmmmm I try to catch a nap when I’m tired and have a spare half hour between meetings. Not everyone has the freedom to do that with their work schedule and environment. If I don’t nap then I’ll sleep a full 8 hours when I get home. I’ll be so sleepy from not having a nap that I’ll naturally sleep earlier and longer to catch up

[@NoBoilerplate]

This sort of experience led to the polyphasic hypothesis, I think! Thank you for explaining, very interesting!

[@hesaur765]

Fascinating! I've been sleeping 4 or less hours a night for about a year now. It's not great. The idea of scheduled naps sounds lovely! Might have to try that lol.

[@NoBoilerplate]

that's not enough! throw some naps in there! research: polyphasic.net

[@daviddevries8126]

dude! what an awesome video, thanks! very informative! and I love the quote "those without dirty hands, are wrong" I believe i might start getting my hands dirty on this topic

[@ben_sch]

Sleep is tricky..and it's so weird. We've been doing it since million of years, you'd think that we'd have it figured out by now. But we still haven't. What I'm wondering is, you mentioned that we really only need REM sleep. But do we really? Does the body really recover well enough with only 4-5 hours of non REM sleep, especially if you're working out? I really have my doubts about that and I wish you'd shed more light on that aspect. Personally, I need a lot of sleep, ideally 9 hours. This is probably because my sleeping efficiency is terrible. I've measured my sleep quality with different devices and techniques and usually my sleep quality is sub optimal. I am also super restless when I sleep and talk alot in my sleep. I also experience a lot of lucid dreaming. I've always wondered how I can improve my sleep fundamentally. I hope we as a species will make a breakthrough in this area. Sleep is probably the most important thing to get right in life.

[@Anonymous4045]

You absolutely need more than just REM sleep, SWS ("deep sleep") is just as vital. Recent studies also suggest that NREM 2 ("light sleep") is needed to have peak cognitive performance, especially in people with developing brains. So if you're not yet an adult or you have concerns about losing sleep you need, you can try a non-reducing polyphasic schedule, which simply spreads your 8/9 hours of sleep throughout the day. Not all that useful for most people, but it can be nice for those who want to get up early and have time to sleep in the afternoon/morning.

[@NoBoilerplate]

More research absolutely is needed! But that research could be self-administered! E1 and E2 seem very safe to me, I felt absolutely fine on E2!

[@bigsatori2]

Look into the benefits of mouthtaping during sleep. It's been great for me, I wake up feeling more refreshed so I know my sleep quality must have been better.

[@ohokcool]

@@NoBoilerplate self-administered research is great but only anecdotal though, we really need more studies/data to identify more of the mechanisms at play, sleep is still fairly mysterious to us at this point in history as is much of how the brain works - neuroscientists and psychologists are happy to talk confidently about mechanisms we know but they are frequently challenged in their convictions as research continues to advance which shows how tenuous our understanding of the brain and sleep really is. Personally, I think wellness is more important than time efficiency when it comes to what we want to accomplish in a given day, as we are capable of far more than we think when we take good care of our bodies and minds, it’s almost as if time slows down and 6 hours feels like 10 where it usually feels like 2 when sleep deprived. That said, part of wellness is listening to your body so if it tells you to sleep at 6pm, wake up 11pm, sleep 2am, etc, just fulfill the order. Life is a game and wellness is the meta, stay healthy friends!

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@ohokcool Couldn't agree more!

[@Iifesteal]

This sounds pretty awesome, I usually get really tired after work/dinner and take a nap. After, I can't fall asleep anymore till 1:00 - 3:00. But it doesn't feel great, I feel a lot better when I sleep and wake early and sometimes take a nap early in the afternoon. So this schedule seems pretty well suited for me.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Good experiment for you too, maybe?

[@Noobificado]

I wanted to try this in college (was 22, now i m 28) It went as well as you expect it to go for someone with noisy college kids as housemates.

[@jarrydbowater1790]

As a few comments have mentioned, this is quite interesting and it has taught me something I didn’t know! Would you consider doing a follow up video with more info? Maybe some different methods, how to minimise the effects of having a strict sleep pattern, how to catch up on sleep debt using an uncommon schedule. For example say you need to be awake from E2 Nap 2 all the way through to 04:00 (long road trip maybe), in a normal schedule you would just sleep in then continue on like it never happened. Thanks for posting this!

[@NoBoilerplate]

My pleasure - honestly I've exhausted my knowledge on the matter, all I know is that E2 worked great for me, and I suspect that E1 would work for nearly anyone (who can nap after lunch). You will find most answers on the very detailed info on polyphasic.net, and do chat on my discord, there are many folks talking about their own experiments in #polyphasic-sleep!

[@tododia7701]

To start Uberman I began with 30 or so hours of no sleep. It didn’t take long to get into the 20 min sleeps. This fixed my inability to fall asleep at night almost permanently.

[@Jakepf]

I noticed that every time I first wake up in the morning, if I don't get up and go back to sleep ill wake up feeling groggy, unmotivated and low energy. But if I wake up when I first gain consciousness in the day then ill feel energized, motivated and awake.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I think this might have something to do with waking up from different phases of sleep? Good to have figured it out for yourself!

[@Karenpayne47]

Me too! But then I need a nap a couple hours later

[@AttacMage]

I might feel more awake immediately after getting up, but I tend to feel sick-ish and fatigued the rest of the day, rather than the groggy ramp-up that I'd get for getting another 1-2 hours of sleep in, but I'd end up feeling better later in the day. I know my sleep cycles are around average to a slight bit faster, so I should be sleeping just one extra cycle, normally.

[@k3rvyn]

Man, I remember doing ubermann around 2008/2009 and it was horrible and awesome at the same time. What really kicked my nuts was the fact that I got really really bored and then started to sleep again normal. I did this for a period of 60 days or so (the first two weeks felt like torture in a russian gulag) and I had a todo list prepared what I wanted to do in that time. The list hat around 500 things and I was done with all of them very fast. Maybe I try it again, but I will never try ubermann again! Thanks for sharing this video :)

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes, friends don't let friends try uberman! lol Try E2 or E3 - and read up on polyphasic.net!

[@harshpatel105]

Awesome stuff. More of these please!

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you! Will do!

[@AkibAhmadGaming]

Great idea. I have watched this video a while back. I just wacthed out of interest and kept in my watch later pl. but i have been keen to adapt to a certain role model's Sleep schedule but found no clue at first because he was alive around 1400 years ago. I recently found someone researched and found he slept around 4 to 5 hours or less. and napped during afternoon everyday. Now my creator gave me access to this video to easily implement 'that persons' sleep schedule with a little modification for me. Thanks and I pray that you might learn the truth of this world and come to the true path.

[@reykhault4072]

I have always known that my optimal sleep occurs from 23:00 to 01:00. If I manage to sleep during this time, I require less sleep the next day. Years passed, and I didn't manage to implement this idea in my life. Then I got married and had a job. Recently, I had to be alone (my better half is studying in another country), so I needed to divert my mind from negative thoughts. That's when I started to make improvements to my lifestyle. I began attempting to sleep at 22:30 (so that I would be asleep by 23:00), and then my body would automatically wake up at 03:30. IT WAS AMAZING! I had all the time in the world and could do things that seemed impossible before. UNTIL I caught a cold and then showed allergic reactions to medication, so everything went out the window. Now, after 2 weeks, I am trying to get back into the routine. Thank you for this video; I always had doubts that this would be damaging to my health, but now I am sure that it is actually a normal sleeping cycle (kinda!).

[@NoBoilerplate]

nice! you're napping during the day? sounds like you could be on some kind of Everyman cycle!

[@reykhault4072]

@NoBoilerplate, there wasn't any pre-planned nap time. I would take a short break whenever I felt sleepy, although, in practice, I was simply closing my eyes and opening them after a few minutes. And you are correct, Everyman 2 and 3 were the two schedules that I could see myself fitting into, and thus, I am adopting Everyman 2 from now on.

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@reykhault4072 Fantastic. It's great to have a name for something, isn't it! Do join my discord and tell us how you're getting on in #polyphasic-sleep, there's many that would be fascinated to hear!

[@PlutoTheGod]

I have some pretty extreme bouts of insomnia, some where I am just flat out awake for 2-3+ days at a time, crash for a day or two and then start the cycle over. Something I notice about these cycles is when I doze off even just for literally 10-30 minutes I will have EXTREME dreams usually of wild nightmares and they’ll all be very vivid. From what I know, this stuff only happens during REM sleep and when I’m at a healthy sleeping schedule I really never have dreams at least that I remember and if I do they’re pretty insignificant, so clearly there must be something to the whole idea of your body will snap into REM sleep if it decides it really needs it.

[@NoBoilerplate]

yeah, there's *something* there isn't there!

[@ajtatosmano2]

Try out drinking a lot of water (2 l / day). It helped me to improve my concentration and somehow my sleep as well. It's still pretty bad thou. Your case definitely need medical help, seek out a doctor!

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@ajtatosmano2 +1 on drinking well, I drink a LOT of water

[@OGKingfish]

Same for me and is annoying/confusing, wish my sleep was anything resembling normal.

[@Sup3rman1c]

Here is why you're so eager to sleep earlier with this E2 sleep schedule: You're sleep deprived. No, being sleep deprived doesn't necessarily mean you've lost any meaningful cognitive function or that you're constantly tired or fatigued. I have lived for weeks on just 4-6 hours a sleep per night and it doesn't even feel like you're tired after a certain point. In some ways it feels invigorating. But after some good sleep, a damn good long sleep, you feel restful. Like a burden has been lifted from your back, a burden you didn't even realize was there. I think it has something to do with the stress levels of the body rising on account of being sleep deprived. I don't strictly mean the kind of stress you get from an upcoming exam or a presentation, but the kind of stress that has to do with high stress hormone levels. To say it with the cool science bidibang badaboo wibii reddit terminology, the sympathetic nervous system activates so you can get shit done. No parasympathetic nervous system (opposite of the prior) activation leads to health concerns in the long run, vascular and heart problems, nervous system issues like dementia, weight gain, weaker immune system etc. The reason nobody has succeeded in the E4 system is because that's too much sleep deprivation to push trough. Because if needed a human can push trough a LOT of sleep deprivation.

[@potapow8684]

Yo guys! I haven't watched the video but I just came in to tell about my experience. I tried polyphasic sleep when i was a student and it broke me in 2 month. I had 2 phases: 3-4.5h at night and 1.5h around 20-21. It difficult at first but then i kinda adapted. I was functional but never well rested. After 2 months I lost my ability to concentrate and i couldn't study anymore. Also my mental has gotten worse. In process I completely burned out in Uni and had to drop off. Spent a couple of years dealing with mental issues. So before you try it know that it might be dangerous and this experiment might have long lasting impact on your life. Having enough sleep is important for you mental health and if you don't feel well rested you should just stop and look for other ways to increase your performance.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes certainly it's not for everyone, especially biphasic schedules like that sounds tough. E2 is a *breeze* compared to that!

[@TN000NT]

I think it's because your schedule was unadaptable and you proceeded with less than required sleep for too long. Also these schedules need to be strict and aligned to your circadian rhythm - your body has different sleep phase pressures at certain times. Hope you get better soon.

[@cloudexmachina]

I dont wanna be rude, but i sounds like this sleep cyrcle might probably not have been the main reason for what happened to you. Sounds more like stress and presure from Uni breaking your mental health which lead to having depression. I might be wrong tho, this is just what it sounded like to me.

[@philiptren2792]

That schedule doesn’t sound very awesome. With a segmented schedule the first sleep should be ideally between 21:00 and 00:00 which is where you get the most SWS. It should also last at least 3h to cover all the SWS need. With the second core sleep would ideally be around 6:00-9:00 (REM peak, where you get a lot of REM). The last core should also be 3h, but can also be 1.5h with the presence of daytime naps.

[@Enigmatic_philosopher]

Thanks!

[@NoBoilerplate]

You're so welcome, and thank you so much! That's so generous of you :-)

[@mihirx27]

Found this channel on recommended, I didn't even watch a few seconds of this video and I instantly subbed. I'm gonna retroactively watch your entire catalogue of videos (I see something about Rust, gonna look that up fo sure). Thank you for this

[@NoBoilerplate]

Thank you - welcome! Half my videos are about Rust, half are about interesting technical topics like this!

[@zaeroses1096]

I've just finished my foundation year at university, going into first year. I have ADHD. I used to struggle with concentration an _extreme_ amount, and while I still do, it's significantly less, because of two main reasons: (a) ADHD medication (b) I found that setting my alarm early, getting out of bed, and straight into a cold shower is extremely helpful for my concentration throughout the entire day Unfortunately, I have had so many problems over the university year because of noise. I was not able to travel to the location of my university prior to getting university accommodation. What I didn't expect, and probably should have but just had no experience, was the sheer amount of noise at night. It has been absolute hell as someone who pretty much _has_ to get up before 07:00 to be productive, living on campus with students which don't stop partying every single night until between 03:00 and 05:30. I've had to wear noise cancelling earphones every night to sleep, but I've still had a lot of difficulty, and I'm pretty much constantly sleep deprived. I'm moving countries to start at a different university for my first year for a few unrelated reasons. I hope that I can find accommodation which is quiet enough for me to be able to sleep at the times I need to. What I am wondering, though, is what times those are. Maybe Everyman or something would be of huge help to me. While I haven't been able to set my alarm any earlier than 06:30 without simply losing too much sleep here, I think that getting up at a much earlier time would help me a lot, probably something like 05:00, or potentially earlier if a polyphasic schedule could help.

[@NoBoilerplate]

if your schedule can allow you to ALWAYS sleep at lunchtime, you can do E1 or E2 easily. If you sometimes are on campus at lunchtime and can't sleep, that's going to ruin adaptation. Normal sleep hygiene can work well, even for just monophasic - come talk to us in #polyphasic-sleep on my discord!

[@misterchief5378]

Me, as well as many others, tried this for a few months (2 hours from 2 to 4 pm and 4 hours at night) and I felt horrible and barely worked. For a while, I felt “great” but my cognitive abilities suffered a lot. I would be 100% willing to try it if there is hard scientific evidence that shows this is not dangerous and actually works

[@omega_no_commentary]

Its pretty much a fact established by scientific research that you should be getting 7 to 8 hours of sleep at minimum to avoid long term damage to the brain. If you sleep for that time in a single nap without waking up or if you split it in several ones, that shouldn't really matter much as long as your sleep quality doesn't suck as a result of it.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Interesting! What schedule did you do?

[@BassRukarioGuerrero]

@@omega_no_commentary well. No. Research says something a bit different. I'd look at things I've learnt sleeping video.

[@tordjarv3802]

Deep sleep is extremely important for the brain. During deep sleep the brain cleans itself from all the toxic byproducts of all the chemical processes that occur during normal operation, through what’s known as the glymphatic system. By avoiding deep sleep you slowly poison your brain, literally. I personally have found that I need at least one and a half hours of deep sleep to not get headaches during the day, in fact I have found that the amount of deep sleep correlated the most with my daytime alertness and mood.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I think you're talking about rem? This cleaning of the brain is what polyphasic sleep encourages, I believe

[@y86]

The architecture of sleep has been greatly studied and not only REM sleep is fundamental for recovery. Based on everything I’ve consumed about sleep over the past years, I strongly discourage polyphasic sleep (I myself tried Everyman 2 for 8 months 10 years ago). If you want to inform yourself better on it, a good starting point are Andrew Huberman episodes on sleep and his interview with Mathew Walker. From there you can dive deeper on the references and studies if you’d like.

[@firedrop434]

I have Narcolepsy, which doesn't really qualify me for anything other than I have researched a lot about sleep. Based on current science, Tor is correct. Deep sleep is when the brain cleanses itself of toxins and REM sleep consolidates memories. Brain activity in REM is also much closer to brain activity when you are awake. That isn't to discredit polyphasic sleep patterns. As someone with narcolepsy, without medication, multiple naps throughout the day is the only way that I would feel awake, roughly a 30 minute nap every 2-4 hours. However, I would still need 6-8 hours of sleep at night. Maybe all I need to do is cut down that larger sleep session lol.

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@smokestacklightning I'm not claiming any such facts. Sleep is a very poorly-understood thing, I'm just saying what worked for me, and others are doing the same.

[@tordjarv3802]

@@NoBoilerplate You are right that sleep is a poorly understood thing, but the part of the glymphatic system and how and when it is activated (during deep sleep) is understood. REM is important too but for other reasons that are less understood. My point is that it is dangerous to claim that we do not need one over the other.

[@noogiesm]

ok i laughed at the coming out joke 😭😭 also, the e2 schedule is actually what i naturally do but ive never heard of polyphasic sleep before. super interesting stuff

[@NoBoilerplate]

Fun! Now you have a name for the thing! And names are powerful

[@cloudysensation8406]

This is very interesting! Thank you for introducing me to this concept and sharing your experience, I'll definitely be looking more into this myself :D

[@NoBoilerplate]

Have an experiment and listen to your body! www.polyphasic.net/

[@iangoetting7155]

Do this if you’re an adult! You need more sleep than this when your brain is still developing. Great video though, well structured, informational, and concise. Love it 🙏

[@Alex-wg1mb]

It will increase drastically the chance of alzheimers or a stroke. Monophasic sleep ensures that all waste produced in the wake state is flushed away at night. You need 6 sleep cycles to be fully functional again. Minimum 4. It takes a non recoverable toll on a tissue so choose wisely when you are going to literally damage the brains

[@NoBoilerplate]

Agreed, this is probably why 'uberman' doesn't work

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes, many folks here in the comments are asking if young people should try it - I tell them the same. But LUCKILY school and uni are places you can't really polyphase, as you're not in control of your own schedule!

[@kintrix007]

@@NoBoilerplate I would argue it's not nearly impossible. I have started doing an E2 schedule one week ago. So far I didn't have to miss a single sleep/nap. For me there is one break that is constant and at the same time every day, the lunch break. Which allows for a nap there.

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@kintrix007 nice! What's your situation, uni? For sure that lunchtime nap is the hardest one, but if you work from home, or can get somewhere reliably to sleep, it's totally possible! The first nap is before you leave in the morning, that's the easy one.

[@debasishraychawdhuri]

Oh I always do it and yes I do have to sleep very less. Also, my brain works better with it. I did not know that it is some standard concept before this. I just take multiple short naps during the day and stay awake almost all night except like 4 hours of sleep at the end. I might be sleeping like 6 hours a day, but I get quite time during the night which happens to be the most productive. Also it means I am never too tired to think.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Fun! Try graphing your schedule on napchart.com

[@godzillaleas]

I inadvertantly fell into an E2 sleep schedule for a good chunk of the winters of both 2017 and 2018. I lived at the time way up north in Canada where the winters are extremely oppressive. I was 100% work from home for a social media start up and severely depressed and stressed out because of the above two factors. I was so unhappy at work, I would just go to sleep and shower multiple times per day as just the only things I could do to get away from work and sitting in front of a computer. I had no friends, no family, and nowhere to go during the winter in my small town where the air was -20 degrees celsius for 5+ months at a time. I had no way of spending all of the extra time I unlocked. All I did was play video games I didn't enjoy and work excessive hours to pass the time. It destroyed my sense of time with the packing of 3 day and night cycles of sleeping, waking up, showering into 24 hours. I barely at all during this time. Partly due to being absolutely sedentary and simply not burning many calories, I honestly probably ate fewer than 1000 calories a day on average at times. I'd eat once a day 3 fried eggs and a pan full of hashbrowns and that was basically it. I was 120lb 5'9 at best. Now obviously there's a lot going on there beyond just E2 sleep cycle, but my sleep schedule was absolutely part of the misery. I would have good small sleeps through the day, and then the most terror-inducing false-awakening nightmares during the long sleep during the real night (at least partly attributable to the aversion to starting another work day) to the point I couldn't really even tell when I was awake anymore. I would have dreams within dreams where I would 'wake up' but as I was going about my day horrible things would happen because I was still dreaming all along - I hadn't truly woken up. It should be noted I had effectively zero sunlight exposure, nor in person contact, nor leaving my house for months at a time. Only breaking the cycle to go grocery shopping for more eggs and hashbrowns in the middle of the night - speaking nor looking at anybody. As if that was a reset of my 4 week+ isolation stretch in any way. Even this was a struggle because at the constant -20, -30, -40 weather your car battery would drain and die and it would be a full exercise to break the ice out from your car hood, re-charge the battery, scrape all of the ice and snow off of the vehicle, wade through the all of the unshoveled snow of the drive way in the cold, dark and wind. I'd legitimately wake up in the morning, take two naps spread throughout the day, and then have at least one false awakening dream within a 24 cycle. 4 'days' within one as far as 'waking up' was concerned. Never again. Even now I'm still vulnerable to just going to sleep in the middle of the day as an escape from work as I'm still 100% remote. Don't screw with your sleep schedule and don't deprive yourself of sunlight. I wouldn't wish my experience on anybody - I cannot explain the terror of not being able to trust your own senses of whether or not you really are awake, or just experiencing a terrifyingly vivid dream within a dream.

[@okthisisepic2928]

That sounds interesting now that you are past the nightmares are you glad that they occurred since they are in the past and they were an interesting experience? Kind of like skydiving. Care to tell me about some of the nightmares you had?

[@godzillaleas]

@ok, this is epic It's important to emphasize the complete disconnection I had to any normal circadian rhythm regulation. I was in northern canada with blackout curtains on every window during long and miserable winters. I had no family. No friends. No exercise. I did not leave my house. The sole singular thing I had in my life was my job that I wasn't qualified for and could be fired from at any moment to lose everything. The nightmares were often mundane which is why they were so distressing. They were often indistinguishable from a regular day, probably 75% of them were a completely lucid dream. Over time somethings would just be increasingly off: I would be fired from my job. Something in my kitchen would catch fire. I would cause a traffic accident. My teeth would fall out. People would show up at my door to harrass and threaten me. I would again often know I'm having a terrifying lucid dream, after all it was a constant daily occurence, and try to force myself out of it with varying degrees of success. The worst dreams were when I would believe myself to have woken up, only to still be dreaming. Completely destroying any sense of reality I had. The movie inception is a near perfect representation. When I did for real wake up, I would be tortured with sleep paralysis for what seemed forever. I would be completely paralyzed unable to move, to speak or anything. I would stare at my open bedroom door 'knowing' somebody was in my house and going to murder me with a knife: even if I couldn't see them. It would never make sense to me at the time how somebody with a knife had failed to cross the 10ft to kill me after minutes of paralysis. I would try my best to scream, but nothing would come out. I would try to move my and legs to get up, but nothing would happen: the blankets might as well have been made of concrete they were so immovable. I would again often know I'm having sleep paralysis, and try to force myself out of it. I would try to slap myself. I could feel my arm moving around and come to a sudden stop, but feel nothing on my face, nor hear a sound of contact. Another betrayal of my senses. I would never describe the experience or those years of my life in any positive sense. I have no retroactive thrill or hindsight sense of 'it wasn't so bad'. It terrifies me to know how your own mind can betray you and what the experience must be like for those with schizophrenia, dementia, and other degenerative mental conditions. I tried using marijuana once hoping it would help me relax: it did not. It gave me the single worst day of my life. I don't even want to go through the effort of describing the terrors of that particular night I tried using marjiuana.

[@godzillaleas]

Eventually, the social media start up would fail. The first night of my sudden and long-feared unemployment would be the first good, peaceful, restoring and proper sleep I would have in a very long time. Immediately once i was no longer employed the 2+ years of torture immediately and unceremoniously stopped and has never returned.

[@NoBoilerplate]

yt didn't show me this comment until now. Wow Brandon, what a story, I'm so glad you're in a better place now :-)

[@jacktalos7]

this is such an exciting concept. Thanks for sharing this.

[@BorisMiljkovic]

Man, I really needed this. After my 6 month experiment with Uberman in 2007 I tried to get back to it several times but failed. Now I have sleep problems and far more things to do and don't really have anything to lose. Thank you!

[@BorisMiljkovic]

Good thing, my brain still responds to pzizz app, so I can always take a 20 min nap.

[@lonewulf0328]

I started doing this, by accident, when I started working from home. I am also a work at home software developer and I started work at home because of the pandemic, but now i refuse to go back. I found a fully remote job with no chance of going into an office (the don't have one) and I love it. So, after I started working at home, like many, I had some mild depression during the lockdowns. Honestly, as I am very introverted to start with, it wasn't a huge adjustment to be away from people, but it was more just due to the stress of trying not to get my semi-immune compromised wife sick, while still working, managing my son's schoolwork (his school also went remote for about 18 months), and dodging that minefield that was Florida during the pandemic (highest infection rates in the country because most people just didn't care to social distance; i mean, hell, they reopened the theme parks here in June of 2020...), As a result of the depression, i found myself going to bed earlier, and also napping on my lunch hour. The side effect was that I noticed when i went to bed early, i woke up after about 5 hours, and would have to either force myself to go back to sleep, or I would read until my morning alarms went off. After the depression passed, I stayed with the napping, and hit REM within a 20-30 minutes nap pretty consistently. it was a little jarring in fact, but this seemed to completely get rid of my previous afternoon caffeine cravings or nodding off at my keyboard by 3pm-ish. So now, I do find myself feeling tired earlier, although I force it a bit some days to stay up later, and some evenings I will get off of work around 5pm, eat dinner at 6, and nap until 8 or so, before staying up until 2-3am, and getting back into bed for a short time before waking to start the morning routine. But honestly, I think this works for me. I am less irritable, need less caffeine, and have more time to play video games in the evenings/early mornings.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I really think there's a schedule for everyone, you've found yours, and I hope that my video encourages folks to experiment and find theirs!

[@lil_tabletop6742]

The rust grind is bouta be devious with this

[@the_average_canadian]

My job is shiftwork, and I've naturally fallen into the habit of having a ~20 minute nap during my lunch break. I tend to sleep only 5-6 hours between shifts, but combined with the nap at lunchtime I think I've accidentally stumbled into a polyphasic sleep schedule. Works really well for me, especially because it's difficult to switch between days and nights and I rarely sleep for longer than 5 or 6 hours at once, but I'm always tired around that lunch break and having a quick nap perks me right up. I'm not sure about the long term effects, but for the past few years it's been working pretty well for me.

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's a classic E2 schedule, which I think is a great schedule. Read more about your schedule at polyphasic.net!

[@LOOPRUNBUNKER]

As a linehaul truck driver in Australia I am given 7 hours rest time plus one hour break mid-shift per day. In the 7 hours I'm expected to unload, drop trailers, refuel, wash the truck, pick up trailers, reload, park, shower, eat and sleep. Turns out I had adapted this sleeping pattern without knowing and now I'm perfectly comfortable with 2-4 hours sleep a day broken up between 15 minute naps and hour long sleeps. I'd also like to mention that I have no schedule. Sometimes working during the day, sometimes at night. Often both. I've been doing this for years, even when I am at home and not on the road. As long as I get a couple of hours of sleep and one or two 15-30 minute naps I know I'm good to drive. Great video, it's good to know I'm not the only one getting the most out of every 24 hours.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Fascinating! Thank you

[@seangallagher9848]

Our sleep is intrinsically linked to the circadian rhythms. Our bodies are evolved to sleep when it is dark and to be awake when it is bright out, this is controlled the the precise release of melatonin which is in part stimulated by darkness. So I don't really think that it's our society that is the reason we put do much emphasis on sleeping during the night but instead our biology; it is what works best for us as humans because it is what we've evolved to do.

[@NoBoilerplate]

What is normal? Before electric light, there was far more than 8h of darkness (especially in the winter), and people often slept biphasically, waking up in the middle of the night for a bit, then sleeping again. What of people who live above the arctic circle and who experience midnight sun in the summer? Or half the world that has a siesta at lunchtime - that's well-studied and is healthier for us than taking all sleep in one go. Don't assume your experience is the norm - this goes for a great deal of things in life.

[@seangallagher9848]

I have lived in a country where biphasic sleep (siestas) are the norm, it is done to avoid the extreame heat of the midday, however this is generally a short nap with the core sleep being at night. While the arctic is a special case they still generally sleep in blacked out rooms during the arctic summer to keep their circadian rhythms in sync. It is a fact that having core sleep at night (or in the dark) is the norm for the vast majority of the human population. I'm just saying that this isn't because of some wierd societal pressure but just our biology.

[@lilpipe4042]

There was one experiment where they made 3 groups of people. 1st group had no sleep at all 2nd group had 4 hours of sleep 3rd had 8 hours of sleep 1st group had very very bad performance after just a day and everyday their performance weakened 2nd group after around 5days had same performance as the first group had in the first 2days 3rd groups performance also worsened (probably because not everyone needs the same hours of sleep, but it doesn't matter rn) The interesting thing is that when they first asked how each group felt, they said they are feeling not really good but after some days have passed they said they felt ok. So that means that even if you feel ok and normal while sleeping less hours than you should your performance gets worse and worse each day. So I'm not really sure if the technique you tried really works.

[@NoBoilerplate]

'uberman' certainly doesn't work. E1, a siesta, certainly does. For me, personally, E2 seems quite easy, but I acknowledge I wasn't being scientific.

[@PhoenixsWorldVideos]

When 2 people in my house had covid, i decided to try being nocturnal to avoid all other people in the house and thus reduce potential risk. what happened in actuallity was a fun cycle of accidentally staying up for 36 ish hours at a time, followed by accidentally sleeping for 12 hours at a time, and this repeated several times so it took up at least a week. Was absolutely crazy but not necessarily healthy, and probably wasn't that useful but didn't get covid from them.

[@NoBoilerplate]

ha! what a lifehack! Doesn't sound super pleasant though!

[@softed]

Demiphasic sleep

I enjoy a very light sleep and difficulty falling asleep as well. My experience with polyphasic sleep years ago was a disaster. Maybe I should give this one a try, that sounds promising!

[@NoBoilerplate]

Give E2 a go!

[@cardboardturtle5470]

The last time I had heard about polyphasic sleep was years and years ago- so glad to have stumbled upon this video! Next chance I get to alter my schedule my days shall contain one or several siestas

[@NoBoilerplate]

A siesta or two are wonderful!

[@jorgechartier]

Hi there! Hopefully this comment is of any use for someone. In 2021 I had my first experience with psilocybin. One of the effects that lasted till now, is the enhanced awareness of my body stimulus. I came to recognize these weird feelings and I started to put them some words/meaning. For example: some nights I feel the need to sleep wearing socks, and some nights my feet are screaming "get them off!!!". Answering to my body requests is key for having my optimum experience when going to sleep (specially getting through the difficult part: falling sleep). Another example is that sometimes I feel need to brush my teeth again, but in order to do that, I need to get out of the bed even if I was getting cozy. But it pays off massively. My body then becomes transparent, and at some point, not always but most of the time, I can even feel how I'm leaving to the other world (actually saying "night-night" to myself in my mind). That way, I have managed to have great sleeping during night, or when napping, or even a performing a 5 mins "bio-break" to reset my body stimulus that are unbalanced. And I have experienced all kinds of stuff during the process of falling asleep and also having amazing lucid or weird/fun dreams. To conclude, I'm not suggesting taking mushrooms (lol, they are fun but not a toy), but make sure you listen your body as equal as your routine and desires.

[@NoBoilerplate]

what an interesting account, thank you!

[@xkali8119]

I tried everyman 2 for two weeks while in high school, but sadly I still don't live on my own, and my family couldn't keep quiet during nap times. Without them, I had to stop because of sleep deprivation. When I finish college, start working and move out, I hope to try again with success when that time comes.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Tough, you have to be in control of your environment!

[@BluesM18A1]

I've noticed that there are some periods of time (usually when I'm trying to crunch to finish a piece of work) where I end up naturally getting into a rhythm of napping 2-4 hours and being awake 6-8 hours at a time. I thought it was bad for me but after listening to this, maybe the biphasic/polyphasic routine is simply what I need to stay efficient.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Read up and figure out a schedule that works for you! www.polyphasic.net/everyman-6/

[@energyman100]

I wonder if a low amount of sleep like that would negatively affect muscle building, which is the main reason why I opt to sleep up to 9 hours a day.

[@deadboy9955]

I'm also worried about the potential harm it may do to brain development/maintenance.

[@AJ-wf1vh]

Just started going to the gym My body started yearning for a siesta again. This is def true

[@NoBoilerplate]

I was powerlifting at the time, and found it just the same as when I wasn't. The trick was I sit at my desk resting for 16 hours a day 😂

[@shibii]

so you basically described my normal natural life. everyone always said i was weird, i dont care, thats how i feel the best and i just wing it. On the plus side my schedule is flexible, so i can do it without work related issues.

[@Nikomarii]

I've realized that my time in the military was mostly spent in everyman two, or something similar. Wake up at 4:00a.m., do morning call and PT, nap for 30 minutes before breakfast, eat breakfast work until 12:30, 30 minute nap before lunch, eat lunch work until 9:00 p.m., then back asleep by 10:00 p.m.

[@thepi]

2:03 yea... I get close to none REM sleep. REM for me is wayy below average and time awake is usually above average. Going to switch to a different watch soon, so if that was just an error with my fitbit, then it would be clear.

[@NoBoilerplate]

I believe after a week or two of no rem (really no rem) you... die. Like, under torture or terrible drug abuse etc. I'd check your watch 😁

[@thepi]

@@NoBoilerplate I would like to correct my statement a bit, I meant in terms of percentage compared to the average for my age as shown in the fitbit app. I still get about 45-50m per night. I will definitely be trying a polyphasic schedule and see where it takes me.

[@MissileGuidance]

Yeah I got 19mins last night. I think tea at around 17:00 may have interfered with settling down

[@SomeRandomName999999]

One important thing to note for people wanting to try this is that deep sleep is different from 20 minute naps. You may feel well rested and not tired doing these short naps, but you won't benefit from all the "self-repairing" your body does in deep sleep. Try out some cycles and see what works for you!

[@NoBoilerplate]

Agreed, there's LOADS of interesting cycles on polyphasic.net, and it'll be a VERY personal experience. E2 worked for me, E1 probably works for most, E3 might work for some!

[@WolfgangDoW]

Biggest problem with the assumption that only REM sleep is important and deep sleep isn't much different to waking rest is that it's so so wrong. During deep sleep the brain basically gets flushed with fluids to wash out metabolic waste products. We recently discovered a lymph system inside the brain, the glymphatic system (glial+lymphatic) and are only just starting to understand how important it is for brain functioning

[@NoBoilerplate]

We are indeed just finding out how the brain functions. 'uberman', which is the only rem-only schedule, doesn't work, as I said in the video, so that supports your hypothesis. I did E2, which has lots of deep sleep, and I felt great!

[@eatfruitsalad345]

super interesting video. I really enjoy taking naps during the day but have never done it consistently enough to consider it part of "a" sleep schedule. the idea that doing naps at regular intervals can reduce overall sleep time is new to me, I'll have to look into this now

[@kieran2blest]

I'm an MMA fighter and train people on the side. For the last year and a half, I've gone to bed at 11, woken up at 4am just to pray, meditate and walk until 5am. Back to sleep until 6:30, training 1 at 7, training 2 at 10, another 1hr nap around 1pm, and then training 3,4, and sometimes 5 ending at 8pm. I can say I've never felt more rested. If I try to sleep a full 8hrs at night I wake up groggy almost feeling sick. It's been life changing and really allowed me to focus

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's cool! You're doing a kind of version of E2, what I did in this video! Do you think it's affecting your recovery in any way?

[@0UTSIDER]

I tried that for few months back when I was studying and racing for my team. Although I had much more time to learn and train, my reaction time got so bad I had to go back to normal sleep schedule.

[@philiptren2792]

Thank you for making this video! Polyphasic sleep is my special interest right now and I wouldn’t have found out about it without this video. I wanna adapt to a schedule sometime, but my parents are very critical to it, so I have to wait a couple years first.

[@NoBoilerplate]

no rush - the best time to do a polyphasing experiment is when you have control of your own schedule, and can take a siesta. So, this will probably be over a summer, or perhaps if you get a job where you work from home. Till then, try normal sleep hygiene, strict bedtime strict wake time - you can dial in your sleep really well with just that!

[@WatchMeDoMath]

Be careful if you aren't 18 yet. The detrimental effects of polyphasic sleep can be amplified for young people.

[@philiptren2792]

@@WatchMeDoMath yes, I am aware of that and will wait until i am 21 before starting to experiment with poly, but thanks anyway.

[@ampersandellipsis747]

Bros sleep pattern looks like fallout lockpicking 💀

[@NoBoilerplate]

Ha! so it does, like that mod that lets you see the zone

[@KorianHUN]

With monophasic sleep and a good schedule i was able to get to about 7:15 - 7:20 of sleep and with an unstable day schedule it was fine. Sadly my jobs always required weird hours. However i think my retired father manages to sleep less because it is very common for him to take a midday nap and can wake up really early constantly. The wonders of not having to be awake for work at random times.

[@magical_chaos]

“Around 2017 I developed insomia, adding the inability to fall asleep to my already impressive ability to stay asleep.” Bro, I felt that one so hard, it’s 3 am for me right now and I already know that if I don’t fall asleep before 4 am that I won’t be able to wake up in time for school

[@NoBoilerplate]

Experiment with discipline and sleep hygiene - the lasting benefits of my E2 experiment are that I learned both these, and that is what cured me :-)

[@skullrak5951]

Interesting but have you considered the hormonal impacts such as on testosterone and growth hormone ? Those are mostly produced during sleep

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yeah, uberman would be very damaging for that sort of thing, which is why I warned against it in the video. E2, my schedule has 5h of core sleep, which seems close enough to what I need as an adult. I have been cautious recommending polyphasic to students, but given most student's timetables, I think they'd probably be fine too! Of course, you can't really do polyphasic as a student - you're not in control of your schedule.

[@lennarth.6214]

Do you know more about negative consequences of Polyphasic sleep? I read a study from the National Sleep Foundation that shows adverse impact of it.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Yes I think the more extreme ones I could believe have negative impact, but a siesta is universally agreed upon as a healthy activity, right? So what about... 2 siestas? More research is needed, and one can only ethically experiment on one's self :-D

[@larslaufer301]

Funny I kinda do this without knowing that it is a thing. Sadly I can't get my coworkers to leave me alone and I don't have a quite place I could go to. When I get to rest, 15min is all I need to clear my mind and feel like the stress of work is gone or at least less. Still people come to me "you are anti social because you don't smoke with us or talk, you just nap"

[@NoBoilerplate]

WFH is so good for polyphasic, an office is such a bad environment for regulating your own timetable!

[@Aves_1]

So that’s what its called… ive been doing this for a while without knowing it. I wake up at 8:30 for work, but no matter what I do, I cant get tired before 2. I get tired in the middle of the day and take a nap or two. Sure it isnt saving me hours in the day as is the goal for polyphasic, but its how my body works.

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's a nice routine, and it has a name too! "non-reducing" www.polyphasic.net/non-reducing-polyphasic-schedules/

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for sharing this experience. I remember discussions about this in college psychology.

[@_t_f_]

I did an entire year of biphasic sleep from Nov 2021 to Nov 2022. It was amazing for me.

[@liyachan6551]

How is your health status now

[@_t_f_]

@@liyachan6551 much worse now that I’m back to a typical schedule (working again)… At any rate, I said biphasic was “amazing for me”. You didn’t believe it in my original comment?

[@liyachan6551]

@@_t_f_ nah just wanted to know what kinda change it brought

[@_t_f_]

@@liyachan6551 sorry. I don’t know why I responded like that. I don’t know if it made me any more or less healthy but it felt right for me sleep-wise and I was able to enjoy the circumstances. I still like it better than a single phase sleep schedule which I’m primarily back on.

[@mathijsfrank9268]

I would love to try out every man 1 or 2 (i basically only sleep 6 hours anyways). I fully work from home so thats perfect for it. However i also love traveling and when you travel you often dont have the option to just sleep in the middle of the day. You might have a hike or a tour planned that you cant move around and i dont want to risk my entire sleep schedule everytime i go somewhere for more than a day.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Right! Plenty of IRL problems that make it tough to do

[@dolorsitametblue]

If you train yourself to nap in sitting position, I believe you could sleep anywhere with a sleep mask and a pair of ear plugs. It's only 20 - 30 minutes and I believe they could be moved around more freely than with a monophasic sleep.

[@parabolicpanorama]

Interesting. I have a few questions. Does your body recover as well from workouts/hard days/feeling unwell while on this? Deep sleep is responsible for repairing a lot of damage while the body is shut off, while REM is more about regulating your mood. Also did you manage to have 20 min naps before trying this? I cannot nap for less that a couple hours minimum.

[@NoBoilerplate]

Before the experiment I couldn't nap, it's a skill that the schedule adapted me to. And I was powerlifting while doing this - I certainly needed rest, but I sit at my computer for 16 hours a day - I get plenty!

[@rrnaBo]

Best line in the video is "if it's safe enough.." and this is extremely subjective to person trying it due to different hormonal potential while sleeping. During sleep it is important you get your REM phase and all the rest, but also duration, as our bodies are releasing during this time growth hormone, melatonin, cortisol, leptin, and ghrelin which are associated with sleep and circadian rhythmicity, and in turn its endogenous circadian-regulating mechanisms that plays an important role in glucose and lipid homeostasis. It's not just "oh.. I'll break the cycle, by getting faster to my phases that makes me feel rested faster". Long term this is not sustainable, as in some months your chemical compounds in body would be inssuficient for your life cycle of 24h. Needless to say, this is subjective, and some will say "oh I am going on 3h of sleep for the past 10 years"... yeah not possible phisically, unless you are some alien :) Always stay safe guys :)

[@SADDE]

A lot of people seem to think that the way you perform self-care tasks such as diet, sleep, cleaning, showering, working out etc. are directly linked to your worth as a person. I think that's why people have the immediate negative reaction, even though they never tried it, because you go out of the norm that society has gotten us used to. KC Davis did a TED Talk recently, delving into this subject. What left me marked is her claim that "self care tasks are morally neutral", and I definitely think we should adopt this mentality instead of being immediately judgmental when somebody does things "the wrong way", or even stopping ourselves from doing something because we were told "it is the wrong way to do it".

[@NoBoilerplate]

That's a really great take, thank you - I'll watch that!