Lock Washer & Lock Nut Vibration Test

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@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Here's the follow-up video where Loctite threadlocker is put to the vibration test... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqjXhop4Z7l8j6M 😎
@4nlimited3dition_4n3d
@4nlimited3dition_4n3d 9 ай бұрын
Have you tested the Nord-Lock Wedge-Locking Washers? Those seem promising as far as their promotional videos show at least.
@davidalexander843
@davidalexander843 3 ай бұрын
Dang dood, you did a GREAT job!
@jewelhome1
@jewelhome1 2 ай бұрын
Little zap with a welder does great!
@davidbrewer7937
@davidbrewer7937 Жыл бұрын
Experience over 45 years: they all work to some extent at REDUCING loosening. But the only lock device that categorically prevents it is a castle nut & split pin.
@jaxturner7288
@jaxturner7288 Жыл бұрын
The aircraft industry trust their twisted safety wires just as much as a castle nut.
@enriqueoliva6988
@enriqueoliva6988 Жыл бұрын
I agree,I believe as a 39 yr tech that a castellated nut and cotter key to be the best.
@mimimmimmimim
@mimimmimmimim Жыл бұрын
What about loctite? Damn, where did I put those cutting disks for my Dremel!
@travelcampingblacksmithing786
@travelcampingblacksmithing786 Жыл бұрын
Stage 8 locking fasteners as well where a castelated nut and cotter pin combo cant be used
@TillURide420
@TillURide420 Жыл бұрын
Na just weld the nut. Fuck it
@garattyfisher
@garattyfisher Жыл бұрын
I work in the aerospace field and this is exactly why we always use lockwire (safety wire) for aircraft applications. Even with torque specs applied, they can break loose.
@Santibag
@Santibag Жыл бұрын
I was about to say this. A good lockwire application is a great way to prevent vibration loosening, as far as I see. With my limited knowledge, I only see creep or fatigue as potential problems.
@joell439
@joell439 Жыл бұрын
Preload is the key to a successful joint. Lockwire (like a castellated nut) is really only intended for dynamic joints. In the case of a structural joint that is for whatever reason is overloaded, lockwire does not prevent failure…… it simply becomes a lanyard to retain the bolt head that pops off.
@Funco1979
@Funco1979 Жыл бұрын
Hex head bolts are sometimes wired together on production machinery too. I've come across these several times.
@jstwatchnread8420
@jstwatchnread8420 Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly car wheel nuts all are conical without any washer at all, & they proven last for many miles or even years, no issues...
@Santibag
@Santibag Жыл бұрын
@@jstwatchnread8420 The question is that, how much vibration are they subjected to? For example, jet engines and rocket engines are told as vibration monsters. And this video shows how vibrations can loosen fasteners. Are non-racing car nuts also subjected to problematic amounts of vibrations?
@Vardek33498
@Vardek33498 Жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to include Loctite threadlock (red & blue) to the experiment.
@kellismith4329
@kellismith4329 Жыл бұрын
Yep, when you want to be sure you use loctite - orange is good stuff
@konserv
@konserv Жыл бұрын
+1 for locktite and it would be nice to check locking-wire.
@qpSubZeroqp
@qpSubZeroqp Жыл бұрын
Next video hopefully
@kwcnasa
@kwcnasa Жыл бұрын
Looking forward for the next test.🎉
@mshepard2264
@mshepard2264 Жыл бұрын
Locktite would pass espocially if you use high or medium strength
@randydewees7338
@randydewees7338 Жыл бұрын
I was an active duty sailor "Opticalman" back int he late 70's. I worked on a sub tender, pulling, repairing, and installing submarine periscopes. One of the more grueling aspects of the removal/install process was dealing with the large (3/4" thread?) nylock nuts that clamped the lower seal complex to the submarine inner hull. There were a lot of them - I seem to remember 12 or 16, the nut prevailing torque had to be greater than 15 pound/ft or you replaced with a new one, and they were way up in the overhead in a mass of pipes and cables. Used a collection of cut-off wrenches, pull bars, crowsfeet, sockets. The first few were OK but you get tired working up in the maze, hanging over the periscope well. Every turn of the nut required force, and many times it was a 1/12 turn using a 6" long cut-off wrench, flipping it every turn. Literally thousands of manipulations. Especially nasty was the install torque to value - around a 115 ft/pounds. And if with a crowsfoot, more force on the pull bar. All being watched (but not helped) by the sub's sailor assigned for QC. I don't know what was used before Nylocs. I imagine it was some kind of split washer system. That would make the nut running up and down FAR easier.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your service! Appreciate you sharing your experience. 😎
@ncooty
@ncooty Жыл бұрын
Now that's some gruntwork a Marine respects. :) Thanks for keeping the rust-buckets afloat, my salty compadre.
@petesmith9472
@petesmith9472 Жыл бұрын
Thank the Brits. Simmonds invented what we now know as the Nylock knock off by Abbotts
@scroungasworkshop4663
@scroungasworkshop4663 Жыл бұрын
Generally castlated nuts with a split pin, think ball joints, or wire tied nuts which are still used in aircraft today.
@randydewees7338
@randydewees7338 Жыл бұрын
@@scroungasworkshop4663 Right, safety wired or castellated nuts were probably used. In fact, in my dusty 45 year old memory banks, I kind of remember seeing some big castellated nuts in the Periscope Shop storage area.
@robedmunds7163
@robedmunds7163 Жыл бұрын
I want the nuts holding the rig together 😂
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
LOL! I tighten those nylocs between tests. 😎
@joels7605
@joels7605 Жыл бұрын
Project Farm 2.0? This is great stuff. Keep the videos coming.
@bullfrogpondshop3179
@bullfrogpondshop3179 Жыл бұрын
Excellent test! The split washer and nylock performed exactly as I expected. I would be interested to see the difference between fine threads and coarse threads. Theoretically, find threads are much more resistant to vibration due to the lower angle of the threads. Like a wedge-shaped door stop that is made with too low of an angle can be wedged into a door super tight.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good idea! I just might test finer threads. Working on vibration testing threadlocker right now. 😎
@marktaylor8659
@marktaylor8659 5 ай бұрын
This is the best test of nut retention I've seen. Thanks for sharing your results.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad 5 ай бұрын
👍😎
@unciclistaenbuenosaires8287
@unciclistaenbuenosaires8287 Жыл бұрын
I installed a bike rack with a few split lock washer more than 4 years ago, keeps solid af. 🙌 Nylocs are used on the shaft of the washing machines. So not a surprise for me😂
@oantech4252
@oantech4252 Жыл бұрын
Nice job.. You should do another one and consider taking your top three and add NORD lock washer which is supposed to be the best in the business. You should also do a grand finale using red loctite.👍
@jeffmiller3150
@jeffmiller3150 Жыл бұрын
Nord-Lock washers are great, held every time I've used them!
@JV-io3nn
@JV-io3nn Жыл бұрын
I can confirm that nord lock washers are absolutely insane! It took more force to loosen than I used to tighten them. The only thing I'm not a fan of is how difficult they can be to acquire and how infrequently they're used.
@DEtchells
@DEtchells Жыл бұрын
Wow, super interesting! I wasn’t surprised by the split washer, they’re my go-to. The Nylok was a big surprise though, and especially the check-nut (!)
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! What are your thoughts on threadlockers? That's what I'm testing next. 😎
@davidmartin1015
@davidmartin1015 2 ай бұрын
Strangely I have read accounts that claimed split, (we call them spring) washers don’t do anything , (after me using them for about 50 years) . You certainly laid that to rest and that is why I watched your video. Thanks.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! I conducted another test with interesting results. That video will be posted in a couple of weeks. 👍😎
@davidpersson4927
@davidpersson4927 Жыл бұрын
It would be very interesting to see how the nordlock washers would give for results. They are supposed to be some of the best in the world.
@TheZebinator
@TheZebinator Жыл бұрын
we use them at work, along with blue loctite. torque it down to 160Nm for M10 bolts iirc. Never had an issue with them
@paulevans8000
@paulevans8000 Жыл бұрын
Excellent test!! I had an issue with a 75hp Evinrude e-tec outboard motor. I had some work done on it, replacing a power cable due to saltwater ingress near the battery. Thereafter I had trouble starting it, just not enough power getting through. I kept saying there was something wrong, they said that I didn't use the motor enough. This went on for a couple of years. Eventually I looked at it and they had used '2' of the internal lock washers on the Solenoid!!! Not enough power was getting through. They SAID that this is the Evinrude specification. I removed both internal tooth washers, put a flat washer on the inside of the post, a nylon lock washer on the outside. In the 4 years since the motor starts 1st time every time and the lock nut hasn't moved. I finally feel vindicated. The connection is more secure and sufficient power gets the the solenoid to do it's job. Thank you.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Great story! Thanks for sharing! 👍😎
@JAdams-jx5ek
@JAdams-jx5ek Жыл бұрын
Now this is very useful testing. Thank you. Well done.
@davemcddd
@davemcddd Жыл бұрын
Fantastic testing method, with some surprising results. Especially how quickly the double nut failed.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m testing threadlocker next. 😎
@JORGE4757S
@JORGE4757S Жыл бұрын
Congratulations sir You are a scientist Great video!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
LOL! Thanks! I’m just a guy with time on my hands to goof around in the garage. 😎
@nickp4793
@nickp4793 Жыл бұрын
Nice experiment!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Appreciate it!
@davida1hiwaaynet
@davida1hiwaaynet Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this interesting test video! I have found that Nylock and Metalock (like your Top Lock) are almost 100% effective because no matter how much the bolt loosens they will not freely spin off the fastener. Cotter pins are almost as good, however they can shear off, allowing the nut to freely unscrew with no warning. When the Nylock or Metalock are loosening by accident, they do so gradually so that the parts become gradually looser, allowing noise and vibration to build with time; thereby giving the operator time to stop the machine before it becomes catastrophic.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍
@skipmars7979
@skipmars7979 Жыл бұрын
Well...I would have never guessed that. Thanks!
@ncooty
@ncooty Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Very interesting. Would also be interesting to see regular nut with blue/ red Locktite.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Working on it. Taking a long time because I need to wait 24 hours between each test to allow the threadlocker to cure. 😎
@DadsGarageDiagnosticSpecialist
@DadsGarageDiagnosticSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. This is the kind of experimentation that built the world!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jasonshortphd
@jasonshortphd 8 ай бұрын
This is why I love KZbin! I had same question and someone did the experiments. Love it.
@solokat1980
@solokat1980 Жыл бұрын
You confirmed my suspicion that the split lock washer is better than the internal star lock washer when it is between a flat washer and the nut. Thank you. Great video!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated! 😎
@balicrimechannel8143
@balicrimechannel8143 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this test; I've been looking forward to it. Surprised the split washer did so well but I'd be worried about the damage it did to the surfaces. I'd love to see a showdown of the three survivors (Nyloc, split washer and top lock) where they are left vibrating for a long time. My feeling is that the split washer would be the next to go, but I'd be very interested which one between the Nyloc and top lock does better after prolonged vibration. Judging by this current test, it'd be the top lock (which are new to me; I hadn't heard of them until today).
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thanks for the suggestion. I'll add it to my list. I'm thinking of doing the vibration test with blue and red threadlockers. 😎
@balicrimechannel8143
@balicrimechannel8143 Жыл бұрын
@@HacksbyDad There's some locking washers called 'Nord-Lock' that look interesting, but all the tests I've seen on KZbin are either by Nord-Lock or someone who sells them.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
@@balicrimechannel8143 Yeah... I've seen their videos and some others. I purchased and tested what I could get from my local home improvement stores.
@digilyd
@digilyd Жыл бұрын
My bet is that no washer and opinionated tight - the M.A.N. method - will win. When that manufacturer puts a washer there it is in my experience with their printing presses to ensure that you can take it apart.
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis Жыл бұрын
If you: 1) keep the split-rings away from galvanized steel, and 2) replace both nut and washer each time you unscrew the nut, then result: the damage caused by the split-ring doesn't matter. Nuts & washers & etc. are consumables, so you should feel comfortable replacing them whenever you unscrew them. So long as you don't have _another_ reason to care about surface damage (e.g. corrosive conditions are a reason to care), and are willing to use a washer to protect the surface of the part, split-rings should be considered a good option. In those cases where you _can't_ use a split-ring, a plastic-filled locknut should probably be your default.
@simunator
@simunator Жыл бұрын
this video needs to be mandatory for all vehicles mechanics under trainee/apprenticeships, especially in aircraft maintenance
@BobCollins42
@BobCollins42 Жыл бұрын
I'm still looking forward to your vibration test for Loctite, etc. A observation: I'm sure that your vibration rig provides a significant shock component, which is not particularly realistic in most applications.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah... it wasn't meant as a real-world test. It's more of an overkill test for entertainment. If anything, the survivors will more likely perform well in real-world conditions. 😎
@It-b-Blair
@It-b-Blair Жыл бұрын
So good! Concise, repeatable, and informative 😸 thank you for sharing your findings!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍
@carlyleroberts3995
@carlyleroberts3995 Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing test I NEVER expected those results. Gonna watch the video again! Excellent job well done, thank you!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Much appreciated!
@collinsavunen5306
@collinsavunen5306 Жыл бұрын
iirc the internal tooth lock washer, keep nut, and serrated flange nut are designed to not use a washer so they can bite into the softer metal they are clamping. Like cast iron or aluminum. If you can swing it, can you set up a separate jig no washer into cast iron or aluminum? Or even a softer steel. All in all great video and great testing!
@davidpretorius2984
@davidpretorius2984 Жыл бұрын
Love learning something new... I did not expect the toothed versions to perform so much worse than a plain nut
@Helpfulsuggestions
@Helpfulsuggestions Жыл бұрын
When I read reviews on Amazon about hitch carriers and other devices that people complain about things coming loose, I immediately by nylon, threaded nuts, and also use liquid thread lock
@Lightmaker5
@Lightmaker5 Жыл бұрын
They have some other purposes also. It's not only for holding a bolt. If you use for example a softer material with bolts, you will need a spring washer because you can't tighten it like you would with steel. The one with teeth is good if you want to prevent the bolt from sliping as you tighten it. They're good for many things.
@alexiahan2230
@alexiahan2230 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful, very helpful for me to pick out the strongest nut.
@navidazarshab
@navidazarshab Жыл бұрын
This taught me that it doesn't matter if i tightened it month ago or longer thats why i need to check it
@TheRealWindlePoons
@TheRealWindlePoons Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank-you. This echos my practical experience over the last 50 years. I have used locking nuts on machinery, railway track-work and classic (vibrating) motorcycles. My go-to nut is the Nyloc but the top lock nut is a close second choice. I have only used the split lock washer for budget applications and am pleasantly surprised how well it performed.
@travelcampingblacksmithing786
@travelcampingblacksmithing786 Жыл бұрын
The top lock and nylock are the best ones to use unless its a stage 8 locking fastener or a castle nut and cotter pin
@fookingsog
@fookingsog Жыл бұрын
From my experience, the single split lock washer seems to work the best as long as it can bite into the material below and the nut above and it's usually the cheapest option too!!!😁👍🏻
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
I was surprised that the split lock washer tested so well after reading several negative articles about them. 😎
@Kirillissimus
@Kirillissimus Жыл бұрын
That is why good split lock washers are made of much harder steel than the regular washers and nuts they are meant to penetrate and lock together. In some applications the lock nuts are also considered as single use items as their edges get dull and the nut itself gets deformed after it is tightened and does no longer generate as much holding force as the first time.
@sofjanmustopoh7232
@sofjanmustopoh7232 Жыл бұрын
You are doing awesome job with the vibration test jig
@hassansyed5661
@hassansyed5661 9 ай бұрын
Lock washer is worth using. Thank you for your video. I will now use the lock washer with the solar panels stands
@TheBlaert
@TheBlaert Жыл бұрын
This is a great test. Our big swarf conveyors on machine tools have the scrapers attached to the chain links using jam nuts. However the jam nuts have cuts made across them with a saw which I guess helps the main nut bite into them. Lockwire is the way to go though. Or Nordlock washers. All depends on the application
@marcseclecticstuff9497
@marcseclecticstuff9497 10 ай бұрын
We've tried all types of locking fasteners on the conveyor flights (scrapers) to keep them attached. Over time they all work themselves loose and a flight will turn sideways jamming the conveyor and often bending it and other things in the process. Really sucks when it knocks the entire chain out of the guides on that side turning the entire thing into a giant pretzel. Short of deforming the exposed threads, welding, or wire/pinning, all types come loose. That's why most OEM's rivet the flights onto the chains. The downside is if the conveyor chains come out of the guides and jams up, I have to remove a number of flights to get get everything unbound. I can work an Allen wrench and combo wrench underneath coolant to accomplish this with nuts/bolts. If there's still original rivets, smashed threads, etc., you can't really run a cut-off wheel under water requiring you to pull the conveyor or drain the sump so we prefer to use a bolt/locknut. I've found the deformed nut style of locknut to be better than Nyloc's as the synthetic coolant we use degrades all types of plastic over time.
@petesmith9472
@petesmith9472 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this experiment. The problem with the top lock nut is its single use application. Tests have shown the Simmonds style nylock can be used 15 times without loss of integrity
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll look them up and see if I can find a supplier. I'll test them if not too expensive. 😎
@DersNoNem
@DersNoNem Жыл бұрын
Very informative and short. I like your video.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Жыл бұрын
That's very interesting, the test is BRUTAL, like, not just vibration, but downright impact loads on the system, but it does indeed make a lot of sense when you're just trying to losen up the system as fast as possible. Kinda surprised about some of the bad results tho, this begs the question of whether they have different applications that would benefit more on their construction, like the ones that bite into the metal being more suited to softer materials or such. One that would have been very interesting to compare is a normal nut, with red thread-lock added.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Жыл бұрын
@@RobMrowiec Interesting, I don't know the correct torque values without a look up table so wouldn't know it (specially imperial), good to know, I imagine this has affected quite a bit the results then. Probably some of the biting types would have more of an effect that way, even tho they already left quite the marks on the metal.
@tonymunn
@tonymunn Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This helps with my future lock nut selection. I like Nylocks.
@ThriftyToolShed
@ThriftyToolShed 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I have always wanted to test many of these as well. I liked the test set-up. I thought it was very clever. I have always liked using the flange nut for surface area, but it did not do very well in this test. They do, however, bite into the painted surfaces very well since they do not require a washer so I am still mixed on the performance of these. Thanks for sharing this!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! 👍😎
@rgb002762
@rgb002762 Жыл бұрын
Where a lot of people go wrong, is using a flat washer under a locking washer. Preventing the locking washer from griping to both surfaces. The flat washer starts to slip first allowing the nut to loosen. Also I have also seen bolts wired incorrectly, where the wire tension is placed in the wrong direction allowing the bolt to loosen a few degrees.. I don't expect red loctite to do well in this rig, red loctite is brittle when dry fully and can be broken with impact.( a hit with a hammer )
@johnroberts3824
@johnroberts3824 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for doing this testing. I now have much more confidence in split lock washers. It's important to not reuse them. For that extra bit of security you can always use Loctite on the threads. Even the green wicking type is beneficial.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
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@jojowondermonkey2
@jojowondermonkey2 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. It's so simple but so informative!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad 7 ай бұрын
👍😎
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I Жыл бұрын
I swear you answer questions i have like a day after I think about them.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
If you're thinking of the same questions as me... you've got a serious problem! LOL 😎
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I Жыл бұрын
@@HacksbyDad hahaha, I’ve known that for a while.
@Xenten123
@Xenten123 Жыл бұрын
The last one you used, "top lock nut" or as I know them "stover nuts", are the main ones we use for in HD equipment we work on.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
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@BrianFullerton
@BrianFullerton Жыл бұрын
I will suggest that jam nuts need to be closer to yield in order to stay jammed. Further suggest using a different method for the jam nuts: 1) Apply the required torque with the first nut. First nut should be the full nut. My sources disagree with your sources (name yours and I'll name mine:) ) 2) Jam the second nut at max torque allowed for the bolt, rod, stud, or shaft (while not allowing the first nut to turn and this may be much higher torque than allowed for the first nut). The jam nut does not need to be a low profile nut: it can be full. 3) I am not suggesting that clamping force will be unaffected by the second nut.
@fuckingpippaman
@fuckingpippaman Жыл бұрын
interesting points
@TitoRigatoni
@TitoRigatoni Жыл бұрын
yeah same here, I've never heard of putting the jam nut on first. That makes no sense to me.
@sherrynevius5639
@sherrynevius5639 Жыл бұрын
I had a bolt and a regular nut put on the bottom of my power chair and it came off within two months. I had a new bolt and nut with a lock washer put on this time. (Your test is really helpful.)Hopefully I won’t have the same problem a second time.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍😎
@XyberZyen
@XyberZyen Жыл бұрын
Your curosity and mine, great video and idea.
@JohnW118
@JohnW118 Жыл бұрын
Came for the threadlock test videos but loved this one; surprised by the outcome. Trained in science, I like your test methodology. Just subscribed and checked out your Amazon link...
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Your feedback is much appreciated! I’m running a threadlocker vibration test and will post it in the coming weeks. Stay tuned… 😎
@soundman6645
@soundman6645 Жыл бұрын
I think you will find, as the tightening torque increases, the game changes. Higher tensile fasteners and higher tightening torques change the game in several ways. Toothed fasteners and spring washers fail earlier as both the hardness of the metal and the tightening torque increses. Plain fasteners hold better as the tightening torque increases. Finer thread pitches increase available fastener tension and friction. one of my favorite combinations is a high tensile bolt , nut and washers backed up by a nyloc nut as a lock nut.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm saving my pennies so I can redo the test with grade 5 fasteners and higher torques. 😎
@WangleLine
@WangleLine Жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. Thanks for making this!!
@caramidacaramida3959
@caramidacaramida3959 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video extremely interesting ,I would like to see the nuts that held 90sec,do a 2minun endurance test ,love your changel
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
2 minutes? I’ll need to figure a better way to hold the recip saw. 😝
@caramidacaramida3959
@caramidacaramida3959 Жыл бұрын
@@HacksbyDad hold ? Why don't you secure it to the bench
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
@@caramidacaramida3959 I don't have a bench. LOL I'll think of something. 😎
@olgreywolf9688
@olgreywolf9688 Жыл бұрын
Great test procedure!! Thank you! Now ...question. Best/optimum washer arrangement for a manual tightening function that will SELF-restrain bolt head while tightening the knob or nut side by hand???? (note: this is a bolt that must slide in a slot, for adjustments---so bolt head can NOT be glued down, or otherwise restrained!!) For shop work/applications. Also, an aside ... was cropduster in Bull Stearmans for 10 years ... ALL critical nut/bolt connections were secured by 'safety wire' (locking wire) and castlenuts. Don't recall a single failure!!! Was generally extreme vibration environment.
@Zothaqqua
@Zothaqqua Жыл бұрын
One big reason for using nylon locking nuts is not so much to avoid them loosening, as to avoid the nuts falling off and causing havoc. So for example, you could have a panel secured by twelve bolts (for redundancy) but one of them comes loose (expected, which is why you have the redundancy) but if it or the bolt falls right off it would e.g. end up wrecking a turbine. A nylon lock nut will keep things together until the next inspection.
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 Жыл бұрын
Nord-lock lock washers for the win!
@Nisse977
@Nisse977 Жыл бұрын
Nordlock washers is the best that I know of. They are used on drilling equipment in the oil-industry, on cranes and so on.
@christobessinger105
@christobessinger105 Жыл бұрын
The flat serrated washer from Snorr is a good option, you can also put 2 on-top of each other
@markbroad119
@markbroad119 Жыл бұрын
Split washer with nylox nut. Got it. Thanks
@Aqnde
@Aqnde Жыл бұрын
Rust is an excellent thread locking compound. I've also had a good amount of success with nord-locks.
@DerSchafmeister
@DerSchafmeister Жыл бұрын
Thanks. This was very informative and interesting. But I still don't know why, but Thanks
@unclefranj8460
@unclefranj8460 Ай бұрын
Informative - well done - thank you!
@getahanddown
@getahanddown Жыл бұрын
Have recently found your channel and love the straightforward testing but wondering why such low torque values are used here? 11ft/lb is pretty low. Snugged up will be 25-30's with a normal socket.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Because I’m poor and tested cheap A307 grade nuts and bolts. LOL. Torque charts call for 11 ft-lbs. I’ll need to save my pennies in order to buy grade 5 nuts and bolts. 😎
@presidentpoopypants1448
@presidentpoopypants1448 Жыл бұрын
Very very interesting... thanks for the good work putting this video together. Now for the elephant in the room.... WHATS HOLDING THE NUTS ON THE TEST RIG TOGETHER :)
@randalrobinson3424
@randalrobinson3424 Жыл бұрын
Interesting results. Repeating each test at least three times would have been very beneficial. I'm still skeptical that split lock washers have much value, but I could be wrong
@DavidTaylor-es1bt
@DavidTaylor-es1bt Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the video. Interesting methodology. You got a lot of responses curious about "what if?". It looks to me like the real winner, hands down, is the fasteners holding your jig together through ALL the testing! Just kidding......sort of. My experience tells me that if the design of the joint allows for enough torque, then you don't need lock washers. Lug nuts, connecting rod big ends. But of course there is not always the option to design joints to allow that much torque. My experience with split washers is that they will spread open before you get to enough torque.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
LOL! The bolts holding the rig together experience a less intense axial load versus the more intense transverse load that the jig experiences. As far as torque... these were low-grade nuts and bolts that can't handle too much torque. I plan to conduct a future test with grade 5 fasteners and more torque. 😎
@jatomic7793
@jatomic7793 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the nyloc moved at all. I've replaced a few of my old 2 strokes nuts and bolts. The thing vibrates anything off, but anything replaced with nyloc's haven't budged in forever
@37yearsofanythingisenough39
@37yearsofanythingisenough39 Жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed some Chinese manufactured nylok nuts have an extremely narrow band of nylon that barely grab a single thread.
@blairhoughton7918
@blairhoughton7918 Ай бұрын
I'm looking at the thumbnail and can see the nylon on the nut there and it looks like maybe 1 or 1.5 threads.
@jascam1
@jascam1 19 күн бұрын
Great video , I'd suggest using a red as opposed to a white marking device in the next video for clarity/visual effects.
@johno9507
@johno9507 Жыл бұрын
I had a exhaust manifold on a turbo inline 6 keep loosening no matter how hard it was torqued down, split washers fixed it no problem.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍
@donphillips5957
@donphillips5957 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Adrian Steel used serrated flange nuts on their truck shelf assemblies for years, I have had little trouble with them walking loose after years and many miles. Still, around 5 years ago they went to nylon inserts.
@celticlightning9703
@celticlightning9703 Жыл бұрын
It's like your videos are reading my mind. I was just telling a friend maybe put a lock washer on his chainsaw to prevent the adjustment screw from loosening. I get to see if it will work.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Hope it works! 😎
@mesh1248
@mesh1248 Жыл бұрын
Love to see lock tite used and nordlock lock washers also
@0MoTheG
@0MoTheG 2 ай бұрын
I worked for a (globally known) company where the use of any of these "securing" washers was prohibited. They are also never used in aircraft or missiles.
@a.s.c.2909
@a.s.c.2909 Жыл бұрын
Nordlock two piece lock-washers are by far the best lock-washers I’ve seen. Try them once and you will be shocked at the torque it takes to break them loose.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I've got them on my list.
@ozyrob1
@ozyrob1 Ай бұрын
Love your tests.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Ай бұрын
Thank you! 👍😎
@peterhargrave2246
@peterhargrave2246 Жыл бұрын
Pehaps you could do the test again, but use aircraft grade bolts... Mil spec fine thread bolts, lock washers, and fire proof lock nuts etc
@elliotkane4443
@elliotkane4443 Жыл бұрын
Surprised how bad those serrated or star washers fail. Good info. Appreciated.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@IkanGelamaKuning
@IkanGelamaKuning Жыл бұрын
I use double nut for some parts for securing. Also to ease my mind when it is double secured. But now it changes after watching this 😮
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
This was an extreme impact vibration test. Not sure how it relates to real world conditions, but was a fun project. 😎
@Mtaalas
@Mtaalas Жыл бұрын
Because it's much more preferable for the nut to open more than to ever tighten (think about shaking it and making it tighter... never gonna happen, right?), it's quickly accelerating thing that nuts always loosen eventually. Nordlocks try to make it so that more the nut tries to loosen, tighter it gets because the wedges are at higher angle than the fasteners pitch... obviously they'll also fail eventually, but they've been very very robust when CORRECTLY INSTALLED. Try them as well? :)
@NyneXMusic
@NyneXMusic Жыл бұрын
Very informative and simple
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍😎
@davidhughes4722
@davidhughes4722 Жыл бұрын
i would like the split lock washer retested on a setup where the large flat washer is not keyed to the bolt. i have found that in a lot of cases a split lock washer is used on top of a flat washer and would result in the assembly coming off sooner than your test shows.
@abdallahtamimi9650
@abdallahtamimi9650 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video .. Its useful and cery clear
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks... glad you liked it! 😎
@Mizai
@Mizai Жыл бұрын
good comparison
@ottifantiwaalkes9289
@ottifantiwaalkes9289 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Would have been nice to see how things moved in refence to bolt,washer, nut.
@yodasbff3395
@yodasbff3395 Жыл бұрын
Interesting experiments, thanks for sharing 👍.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@kevm8965
@kevm8965 Жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see how a Nord lock washer would hold up
@windhelmguard5295
@windhelmguard5295 Жыл бұрын
one thing i would add to the test is the re-tightening of the nut after the first thirty seconds.
@armchairtin-kicker503
@armchairtin-kicker503 Жыл бұрын
The castle nut w/cotter pin and staked nut used for fasting steering-links and Cv axles, respectively, are sure locking mechanisms, they both being critical points of failure. That stated, one wonders if the other fastening methods are affected by resonant frequencies like the Tacoma Narrow Bridge (1940). For example, would the locking methods tested all survive a ultrasonic tank, they having a operational frequency between 40K and 60K, yet fall apart very quickly when subjected to specific lower frequencies. Then there is harmonics to consider as well. As a tutor of college mathematics and physics, I find this experiment intriguing to say the least.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Whoa! That was way over my head! I’m just a guy with time on my hands goofing around in my garage. LOL I’m currently running red and blue Loctite through the extreme vibration test. Keep an eye out that video. 😎
@Grumpy_old_Boot
@Grumpy_old_Boot 20 күн бұрын
I was a bit surprised that the serrated flange nut did nothing to prevent loosening. I have used them a lot up against aluminium surfaces, where they seems to hold on well.
@woodrowsmith3400
@woodrowsmith3400 Жыл бұрын
Interesting test...something I haven't seen before. I was a little surprised you didn't test the external tooth lock washer. Because it not captive to the nut, with the necessary flange to hold it in place, I believe results would have been at least in the second group, if not the third. It is my personal go-to for assembling fasteners sized #6 through 1/4" that are under light to moderate stress and vibration. I experience less than one percent failure after one year of use in a light production woodshop.
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I didn't think about it that way. Thanks! I actually have external tooth lock washers. Maybe I'll include them in a future test.
@lorenzos.4442
@lorenzos.4442 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mr.lambfries3236
@mr.lambfries3236 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! Extremely helpful!!!!
@HacksbyDad
@HacksbyDad Жыл бұрын
👍😎
@phillydude5150
@phillydude5150 9 күн бұрын
Great job!
@madjackgamingandfitness498
@madjackgamingandfitness498 Жыл бұрын
I feel line a flange holds up very well but require a lot of torque normally to do their job. In my experience though lock washers are a favorite with supplies being more common do it is nice to see it do well. As far as nylon nuts though in my personal experience I see them fail often. Like they do a great job at staying on but once they are loose it’s toast and they are a pain to get back off.
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