Haibike FLYON Review TECH-FILLED EBIKE - ALLMTN 8.0 £6199

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Yo!!! Hope you like the vid? Let me know your thoughts below! Has anyone ordered one? Coming out VERY SOON!!

[@bikebrostouring]

@ Rob Rides EMTB: Yep :) i liked it 👍🏻

[@finki9]

Very good video as always. Is it possible so see a video of the new 2020 Rotwild E-MTB, the RX or RE? Would be nice to hear your thoughs of this bikes. Keep on doing such a great job :)

[@signingof1]

How about engine noise on the tq motor? Keep up the good work.

[@_-Lea_-]

Having the most powerful motor, I'm disappointed that pretty much the whole video is about rolling down a trail / descent. You wouldn't have needed a motor for that at all. In a review about a bike with a motor like that the fokus should be on uphill sequences, also filmed in 3rd person / more far away in order to show how steep / fast the motor actually can climb. And I would have liked to hear the noise the motor produces in this case.

[@hvarcz]

From german i like Ghost and Focus, austria had Ktm. But british has Comencal - in past they have too much race position for me, but the new 27.5 ebike - i like it.

[@danytheunicorn95]

10/10 video and review, you have mastered the art my man, keep at it!

[@andrewhillman9632]

I had an opportunity to ride this bike for 2 weeks in Germany and it’s amazingly capable with the TQ motor icing on the cake

[@Teamcrapsheep]

Great review Rob love your honest approach to reviews no hype train.

[@buster332]

Great video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts

[@georgesolomon5696]

Thanks for the video... Since you own a Turbo Levo how does it compare to the Haibike TQ? Thanks

[@CarkeekW]

He paid for a levo and all the rest are on loan , speaks volumes to me. But i hope the 2021 levo comes in s5 sizing

[@TheBikePilot]

Awesome video and edit as always mate..

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Huge thanks man for your help with this!

[@RickyG225]

way to go Rob! 120Nm of torque must have crazy torque. I am use to 80Nm on my Yamaha and that is plenty for me. The TQ motor looks like a nice addition to the Haibike family of eMTBs!

[@stuartjamieson2427]

To be honest I preferred my lappierre with yamaha motor. Not much difference and the flyon eats the battery

[@georgesolomon5696]

what kind of range did you get from the 630 watt hour batterey?

[@alessandrobiferali8555]

120 km with eco mode fully charge, 25/30km with extreme mode

[@kraisydave]

I have a 2018 Haibike 10.0. Added two batteries which give about 50 miles range. 1000wh. After riding about 1500 miles on that I would say the sweet spot is 750wh. Not too much or little.

[@RickyG225]

I have the same bike in an LT! 600wh riding in Eco most of the time suffice. I get long range and good power from the Yamaha motor with plenty of torque. Good choice!

[@philiprogers4071]

Yet another quality video Rob. I have a 2019 xduro allmtn 6.0, it's fitted with the econnect module but i didn't receive the key fob to pair it. And after contacting everyone, and finally Haibike, it's still a none runner. Haibike don't seem interested, i have had alot of trouble and wouldn't recommend Haibike to anyone wanting good customer service.

[@simoncannon8980]

Hi I have 9 e-connects on a hire fleet of haibike all mountain 2.0 and Nduro 3.0 and I have had terrible trouble with them so I am returning them, but as for the haibike bikes I cannot fault them

[@simoncannon8980]

Look us up, www.bloomeriders.ie

[@Derestricted1]

This should be a matter for your dealer to sort out, not Haibike. The dealer should have had the key surely?

[@gooldii1]

Greeeat! Thank You!!

[@tedtedsen269]

i ride my Spitzing m1 evolution it has 1050wh battery and also TQ Motor and display and four piston brake callipers and a strong integrated light its a 28 miles hour bike and the weight is amazingly 25kg in weight, that heavy batteri 1.1kw and tq motor and 25kg in first place i wanted the hibike but was told we onley have medium frame i needed Large so i purchaced the Spitzinger evolution

[@Toffer_emtb]

FLYON ✌️😀✌️😀

[@grahamhutchison8036]

And that's how you do a paid promotion properly! Pros AND cons, with some excellent observations. This is why I prefer your reviews over everyone else's.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Thanks very much Graham. I do try and keep reviews balanced no bike is perfect and I try and share all my thoughts fairly.

[@l1nds290]

Absolutely spot on, I was going to purchase an eZesty but on the back of Robs excellent review, including the cons, I decided against the purchase. Glad I did as now know of a few eZestys that are off the road due to being faulty and awaiting replacement parts.

[@marcogambelli4901]

Hi Rob, amazing video! I have a Kenevo expert and have not yet tested the flyon engine. But I was wondering... on challenging downhill trails, don't you think that better performance can be achieved with a Kenevo?

[@enricobononi8655]

Nice!! Did it come with tail lights and front light?

[@SamsBikes]

" ive also crashed the bike quite few times " haha 🤣 great review rob!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

♥️

[@rocknscottn]

Hey Rob, just wondering if you knew what the range was on these bikes? I did read on a forum it was 125 miles per charge but I don't think this is right.

[@stevewebber4980]

HI Rob, really enjoy your videos. Please could you help me. I live on Dartmoor and my wife and I are keen road cyclists who wish now to get into electric mountain biking. We are both in our 60's so our speedy descent days are probably behind us. We are looking to purchase ebikes to enjoy the open moor but woth so much choice nowadays which one? We would like full suspension, 600 watt battery, and dropper post. Our budget is £5k each can you suggest a short lust to look at please. Many thanks and keep up the great work.

[@ISCREAM92]

Hey man, sign on to emtbforums.com, which is rob's forum and post a thread ! We'd love to help.

[@stuartjamieson2427]

I'd look at the cube cathmandu models.

[@Grifterbiden]

Great job as always. When will you review the Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay? It is a 48 volt and 110 NM motor I believe but with fantastic geometry. I know the travel is less on the haibike but how does the RM Altitude and the new Specialized Kenevo compare on your ebometer chart? Thanks

[@natedempsey3389]

Scott Robinson have you checked out the new rm 2020 model yet

[@Grifterbiden]

@@natedempsey3389 not yet but hopefully will ride the 2019 Altitude powerplay tomorrow. They only have a medium and I think I should ride a large at 5' 11"

[@TheTeophilus]

Could be my next ebike if only Haibike would offer it with a decent battery ( 880 and 1050 Wh on Spitzing Evo, 750Wh on Rotwild, 700 Wh on Spec Levo). A powerful TQ motor with a 630 Wh battery doesn’t seem so exciting.

[@rockinsergio4969]

leonardo da vinci I am worried too about the range. Very powerfull motor combined with rather small battery

[@Pyr0philia]

Only 630Wh??????! Who the hell thought it was a good idea to bring out a 120nm electric motor with only 630Wh. Please tell me they have bigger battery options.

[@ISCREAM92]

Add on 500wh battery that goes on the downtube

[@krystoph4420]

Charges in 1 hour though

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Yes, that fast charger is ridiculously handy.

[@richardstamper5630]

A friend has offered me his Flyon 5 with the same motor as tested here but I found it quite noisy compared to my Cube which has a Bosch motor - any views on that?

[@bushmaster4481]

How did he get the bike there from the UK? I want to do the same but train is so long I’d imagine.

[@sixtysecondsofstephens2386]

Your hair looks a bit darker. Is this the most waited for e bike since ebiking ?

[@racepnd]

Does the motor come in gently or is it on and off like a e8000 ?

[@gatecrasher1970]

It has got the same mechanism as the moon rover buggy so is very smooth

[@michaelmazani]

Great video Rob. 👏🏾 28kg?!?! Aren't bikes supposed to be getting lighter in weight as technology advances?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Cheers Michael. For sure this isn’t a super lightweight. That’s not it’s intention - it’s a powerful ebike that is great fun, not an agile little whippet though (they do have bikes much lighter in their lineup though).

[@andymcdixonad6684]

Another great video, I'm still leaning towards the YT, I'm only small so looking for that agility

[@RickyG225]

Nice choice! Small rider here. The agility is key on the switchbacks etc. The YT looks like a good contender!

[@mikechurcher9320]

Great video, Rob! Do you need an e-bike with all that downhill riding?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Ha! Helps get back to the top!!

[@TheOldFrenchGoatProduction]

you need to try the new commencal 2020 and let us know how you think it compares again the YT decoy , ill bet its a rad one too .

[@CrotZari]

Great video by the way :)

[@Content465]

Wow I wish I was tagging along brother 🤙🇨🇦

[@mikekay213]

Would you take it over the ezesty handling wise?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Such radically different bikes!

[@AJ-vh2qr]

What was the battery range like ? Thanks

[@ysamuelarai]

When are you going to review a Giant Trance or new Giant Reign?

[@finnsloan586]

Hi Rob, really enjoyed the video. Can you perhaps create a playlist for the music you use in your videos?

[@paulmccarthy1362]

Hey Rob Thinking of a look at the Haibike nduro 5.0 as my next bike but struggling to find any info on range and battery life compared to a normal bosch etc with a 625Wh battery, any guidance would be appreciated

[@azzerrrr]

song at 1:12?

[@bspawn]

You really make me really want to ride in Finale!!!!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

You should it’s epic!!

[@bspawn]

@@RobRidesEMTB I was at there during EWS in 13 and 16, I really miss the trail at there!

[@bbarker5766]

Great review as always Rob and thanks for sharing!! We just got a Haibike dealer here and very sadly that will keep me from buying one. It's not the bike that's the problem but these guys do not know anything about them or how to set them up let alone repair them. I wish Haibike would have checked into them before taking them on as a dealer because they are more about just trying to go with a fad and make a ton of money from unsuspecting and unknowledgeable people. I like the bikes but I made a fool out of the sales people with the simplest of questions which is very very sad!!!

[@denesk2794]

There is no "repair". They connect the diagnostic tool and if there is a problem with the display, the battery or the motor, they ship it back. Literally it is simple connectors and screws. The question is if they have parts. The local dealer is unable to get me the pivot kit, spacers, hangers or ANYTHING. For that alone I want to swap brands, though I doubt anyone else here would be better. In other words: if you are technically enabled you can still get the bike. If you can take a bicycle to tiny pieces and put it back together or if you can build one from scratch, then an e-bike like this is not different. Just get it, set it up, and only deal with them if you have a motor/battery/display problem. The rest can be handled by you or any shop. I haven't taken my 30-40+ bikes to a shop ever since a mechanic tried to pry a brake open with a tool instead of using the hand release in 1988 or so.

[@bbarker5766]

@@denesk2794 you don't understand dude. It's not about me being able to work on my bike. I am very capable of doing that it's the fact that having dealt with the owner of the "stores" in the past and that he does not care about the customer just their money. When you into a shop and they don't even know how the bike works or what sizes should fit the person they're trying to sale it to should tell you to stay away.

[@denesk2794]

@@bbarker5766 yep i get it. For me part support matters. I never agree on sizing and wheel/crank/gearing preference with anyone. 6'3 and would buy an M frame.... So i am polite if they say stupid stuff and buy, pay and get out. I am not marrying them ;) and unless these is a total failure I won't see them for 2 years ( new bike every 2 years)

[@xF22Raptorx]

nice bike!!! thx :-)

[@ashcompton6040]

Hi Rob Im going to get the haibike flyon 5.0all mtn I'm 6.3 tall and my bike i have now is a 21 in frame I e xl is a 50cm frame a xl??

[@14TacomaDR]

That's $10,000.00 Canadian . Not as bad as the Trek 9.8 for $16,000. But still to much for most people.

[@mattygreengrass1765]

Can the battery be up rated to 750ah ?

[@VRFlightSimmer]

I'm torn between this and a Levo turbo 🤔

[@danytheunicorn95]

get this one if you are in a budget, because you get more tech for your money, and the specialized if you want the bling and minimalistic display. Both are 10/10 so you will also do well by just tossing a coin and picking one at random. Happy trails:)

[@helenHTID]

If you don't care about speed assistance limit, And you can live with a big display and a heavier bike, And really want that super powerful motor, And 630wh is enough for you, And you have the budget... Go for the Flyon!

[@TAZMON20]

Levo

[@sergeibatiuk3468]

What's the min/max range?

[@shingnosis]

Power is great and all but I suspect you'll be going through chains and sprockets at a record pace. We'll be needing some beefed up chains and cassettes in the future, and preferably not the +300 Euro cassette of the Sram EX1. Even better, someone should make an internal gear case or rohloff style rearhub for eMTB's.

[@MsPaulsf]

10.0 or 8.0 then?

[@serkankoray3177]

I finally got mine Allmtn- actually 10.0 - but while adjusting the handle bar and all the stuff on the left side- break /seat release and the controller - the controller cable snapped !!!- just turned a bit, the short cable going in the handle bar and then through the handlebar to the FLYON Unit was too short !! Now at 0 km used - the bike is not operational- waiting for reply when I get a replacement. Living in Germany - I hope it won't be long - but can't understand the design logic of having such cabling?? be careful! - curious to hear if anyone else had issues with controller cable?

[@joakimkn1]

Omg, feel your pain. shame they don't have a connector that .. disconnects instead of the thing tearing itself apart.

[@northernmonkeyx4889]

Great video, shame about the battery capacity, think they need to announce a bigger battery pronto!

[@DK-iy1wf]

Really Great vid a lot of cash tho for a push bike.

[@Bemx2k]

I have searched you tube and there is now reliable Battery range test of anu Haibike Flyon wtf ? most of people I spoke says that flyon 630Wh battery is not enough for serious mtn climbing.

[@Steve-ob2zg]

Good review, I’ve got one, it’s a great bike, but range is poor. My Yamaha equipped bike will get way more range even using higher settings, which means you are using treacle mode aka eco and low a lot, which then defeats having the extra power. I can get through the battery in highest mode in 10 miles.

[@MC50000]

I have the 8.0 Haibike and I’ve never ran the battery completely down. I love it but I do wish it was lighter!

[@Daffy0208]

Loved the video ... and the bike looks awesome and motor seems unreal, but at what cost? 28kg is just too much in my opinion. Appreciate the motor is about 1kg more than thr competitors bit the rest is just too heavy. I feel the weight let's it down.

[@ruslanl4577]

As a Flyon owner I say that this is a great bike, Much more powerful then everything else on the market... I kinda like the extra weight. To be fair tho Bosch motor is little more punchy but less powerful, it takes couple extra milliseconds for Flyon to kick in but once it does it's a whole another story... This motor is quite thirsty tho (Edit: Never Buy the 500$ light(skybeamer), everything upwards of 100 $ will do much better job, trust me!)

[@Yorku_testuje]

Hey Rob, the movie itself is a good one as always from you so thumbs up on this one, however the bike looks awfull, this is carbon and 28kg ??? FLY ON? or rather FLYOFF?? :) and what is that funny looking tablet on the handlebars? no thank you. I own Kenevo Expert and I have 700 wh battery, 180mm travel, Brose motor and alu frame with 24 kg's... It goes up quick asf and down even quicker. Why would somebody pay 6200 for something like this when Kenevo cost same? Sorry Haibike - I know you have a good e-biking history but watch what Specialized is doing there - they were making best bikes, now they make best e-bikes which are looking like normal bikes and this is supa -sweet.

[@youcefsab1525]

Is there a way to remove limited speed and mack it over 25km

[@helenHTID]

No. The speed sensor is a specially designed disc on the rear and is coded to prevent any modifications. It makes it almost impossible to bypass unless some genius hacking comes into play or rouge insider help from TQ themselves lol. I wonder how mod proof the new Bosch line is?

[@youcefsab1525]

@@helenHTID is bosh had new motor? Better than the haibike?

[@helenHTID]

@@youcefsab1525 Yes Bosch have new 4th gen motors, And they are tamper proof too. The TQ is much more powerful.

[@slickrock1371]

Did anyone catch the range?

[@mattdedasc]

Yep. Still want.

[@julianshepherd2038]

That would speed up the daily commute. Up Ben Nevis.

[@krauraNYC]

28 kgs:-))... Still a Levo for me

[@Frack_Black]

The TQ torque tho!!

[@sadphil01]

me too, 28kg! Proper lardy that.

[@2wheelsonline]

I'm selling my emtb because I'm sick of how heavy it feels at 23kg. I'm more interested in the weight not the power and at 28kg, this is going in the wrong direction for me :-(

[@RickyG225]

check out a BMC @ 38lbs with the Shimano Steps E8000 motor! (Approx 17kg)...

[@2wheelsonline]

@@RickyG225 I can't find a BMC that light. It has to be FS not a HT. You got the model you're on about?

[@RickyG225]

@@2wheelsonline My Bad! I was thinking of the Alpenchallenge, which is not a F/S! The only eMTBs that are in that weight class are custom made by LaMere Cycles Custom Carbon Bicycles in MN in the USA. www.lamerecycles.com

[@fazilhassan7191]

@@2wheelsonline now u can check the specialized turbo levo sl s-works only around 16kg

[@2wheelsonline]

@@fazilhassan7191 But the price is silly money! £10,999! I could buy a really nice car for that!

[@stuartjamieson2427]

Got a flyon and put a derestriction kit on it. It's OK prefer my lapierre to be honest and it's only got to sniff water and it breaks down. Literally got to dry it out for 2 days. All in all not werth the money I think

[@MegaMissfitz]

I was hoping to go to keswick today to buy my new bike! But there's a 90% chance i'll be lynched off the locals for flaunting the government guidlines 😤😤😤

[@rainerschulke]

28kg!

[@CrotZari]

Now we face the choice, get a lighter e-bike with a smaller engine and less torque. Or go for a heavy duty superstrong bike. It´s starting to get tricky to choose. I have done some 70 + kilometer rides with a spare battery in my backpack. At some tricky sections I´ve had to carry the bike. I, personally, would lova a bike to bet at close to 20 Kg, that is my pesonal sweetspot. This flyon is not for me.

[@kerllyson2292]

Quanto é o valor

[@Surf422]

An E-bike without a headlight? ... I guess that would just be a little too high tech

[@ISCREAM92]

The production model has a headlight :)

[@pangtsr]

Next time, send it.

[@julianshepherd2038]

It's not meant to be quiet or light or pretty. It's about powah.

[@ForbinColossus]

Why not compare Flyon to Brose, Bosch, Shimano, etc ? This vid is full of fanboy how-wonderful-it-is comments. Analysis, please.

[@Shocki420]

If I ever owned a haibike I wouldn’t cry if I fell down and crashed but I’m pretty sure my bank account would.

[@frederickv.9300]

Hot and Fast

[@АланЕлоев-р4ю]

If you go down all the time, then the motor is unnecessary.)))

[@mandycowey7635]

But to go down you have climb first!

[@l1nds290]

Sorry, but this is one ugly beast 🤔... but, excellent review as always 😁

[@andywhite1942]

l1nds290 Totally agree. That is one hell of a fugly bike.

[@andremellao4882]

28 kgs is ridiculous

[@TAZMON20]

If you're in a pub, post ride, talking about your E-Bike, Focus, Specialized, Giant, etc and then someone mentions Haibike, like the scene out of Anerican Werewolf in London, the pub goes silent, it's an electrified Raleigh.

[@TAZMON20]

Definitely not a looker, I just don't appreciate Haibike, to me they have a "Blue Peter" look about them, and the only thing people seem to talk about is the motor, Brose is still the benchmark for me and its integrated into the benchmark bike, the Levo, for now, but every brand seems to be playing catch up regarding innovation and sales.

[@denesk2794]

LOL... cable noise. I have a 2017 Nduro 8.0 and apparently the engineers didn't figure anything out about the cable noise. :) Luckily I only hear it now on videos (mine or others') and don't notice it while riding, unless I use my other (carbon non-e-bike) bike that is dead silent. Unfortunately they are not bringing this model to where I live now so my next bike has to be something else. Sad when you have the money for something but cannot buy it because of some region-nonsense. Seems like they will only bring Yamaha Haibikes and I have no interest in that. BTW, I am thinking of a less powerful motor, more "climb oriented" gearing, but a much lighter bike. Something like the Pivot with the 75Nm shimano and a 35 front with the 12 speed 10-51 XTR cassette.

[@michazdzanski2477]

Zasieg jest max 45km. Lipa straszna

[@PERSEUS82]

Łoł

[@lesterma1608]

Brake noise in $8000. bikes is a ripoff!!!!!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Never found a brake brand with totally silent brakes!

[@helenHTID]

@@RobRidesEMTB TRUE. No matter the cost of the bike, It's gonna be using a widely available brand of brakes and all brakes can be noisy