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Wolfman's Got Nards

Wolfman's Got Nards

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@lex_rodriguez
@lex_rodriguez 2 жыл бұрын
I think people are misinterpreting what Michael saw in Corey. He didn't let him go out of mercy, he saw the eyes of a killer - he saw himself. It's why the film literally makes Corey the killer. Evil takes different shape, as Laurie points out.
@h.i.s.ministryhelpinginser31
@h.i.s.ministryhelpinginser31 2 жыл бұрын
Yes...thank you. That's what I thought. Michael seen the Evil in Corey.
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas 2 жыл бұрын
I understood that entirely, I think it would have been better though if Corey's chapter had not ended when it did and he took over the mantle...
@mrfacephone
@mrfacephone 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone is missing that and that fact is one of the problems. It's just lazy writing.
@Ghost_-nz5dy
@Ghost_-nz5dy 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrfacephone How is it lazy please explain
@Ghost_-nz5dy
@Ghost_-nz5dy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesenseiformerlyknownas Well the ending implies that he may not be actually dead as when they’re showing scenes of Lauries house empty and all that as an homage to Halloween 1978 When they go on the scene of Michael’s mask you can hear breathing
@iamdebaby8152
@iamdebaby8152 2 жыл бұрын
The ending should have been a tag team match Michael and his apprentice vs Laurie and her granddaughter.
@jaredbaker1332
@jaredbaker1332 2 жыл бұрын
I just hated this movie. Didn’t like Corey, didn’t like the finale, felt like Michael was treated like a joke. I was super excited for it too but that’s just how it goes. I think I would have liked this story more if it wasn’t Halloween movie or at least not part of this trilogy. To everyone who did like the movie I’m sincerely happy for you and hole you continue you to enjoy it. Just like other installments I didn’t care for though I’ll just pretend this isn’t canon and keep enjoying the ones I love. Thanks for the review. Cheers 🍻
@bIoodybatons
@bIoodybatons 2 жыл бұрын
My exact thoughts .
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas 2 жыл бұрын
I liked Corey and his story but it should have been a stand alone film. They didn't do Michael justice in this one, by any means.
@LoKnowsBoxing
@LoKnowsBoxing 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest the movie was pretty good however I agree when you said this movie dosnt feel like it belongs in this trilogy however I like this movie over HALLOWEEN 5, HALLOWEEN 6, ROB ZOMBIES H2, RESURRECTION AND H20 But they made Michael look weak and thats because he's human and took a ton of punishment in the last 2 films.
@LoKnowsBoxing
@LoKnowsBoxing 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesenseiformerlyknownas I agree it was a good movie as a stand alone but not as part of this trilogy. I would have prefers had they used the Halloween Returns storyline where Michael is on Death Row and then escapes.
@chinmitten
@chinmitten 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much this. You knew Michael had to go but helplessly laying on a table and waiting to have his throat slit like a pig was sad to see. I didn’t hate Corey entirely but his arch doesn’t make all that much sense. At the time the boy died, Michael was only gone for a year or so. There’s no reason to have made him that hated by the community looking for a new monster to hate. The only trouble you see from Corey early on in that he doesn’t know what he wants to do for college. Otherwise everyone had a very positive view of him. Made no sense
@sippinlosses
@sippinlosses 2 жыл бұрын
I felt like there were alot of scenes cut. I understand the setup for Allyson's boss and coworker, but I found it random how Corey and Micheal got there. I wanted to see the partnership explored just a little more too. There were points in the film that just felt somewhat random in general. With all that said, it's funny to imagine Micheal was rising around Haddonfield on the back on Corey's bike 😄
@fatoldhideousguypdxor4540
@fatoldhideousguypdxor4540 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@EclecticDD
@EclecticDD 2 жыл бұрын
Corey went because he wanted to get revenge on the doctor for how he treated Allyson. I too was wondering how they got there. The comical is that Michael was riding bitch on Corey's motorcycle, but I guess we are supposed to think that Corey had Michael follow him there at Michael's pace.
@sippinlosses
@sippinlosses 2 жыл бұрын
@@EclecticDD see I didn't know If Allyson told him off screen that her friend got the job, of if he was doing it just off that first impression of the doctor. Let's all just pretend Mikey was riding bitch everywhere haha
@aleciaann8040
@aleciaann8040 2 жыл бұрын
You just read my mind like how did Micheal get around especially since he was so injured. Also how did he know where Laurie house was at?
@giggles7179
@giggles7179 2 жыл бұрын
You can see in each of the new three films that they've cut the trailers way before they had a feel for the final film; the 2018 film had shots from the "original ending" that they've never released any other footage from. "Ends" had a TON of shots and dialogue in the trailers and spots that didn't make it into the film.
@giggles7179
@giggles7179 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, who actually noticed Michael - mask and all - at the right side of the screen for a split second after Corey fell from the bridge and before he was pulled into the sewerpipe?
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. I noticed the second viewing. Had to pause it to see.
@snusemcgoose1001
@snusemcgoose1001 2 жыл бұрын
Barry I am 100% with you on this I was bummed they killed Cory at the end as well and was hoping I would hear an end credit scene where he suddenly breathes again. I really wish they gave us a final Michael movie this time and then the next movie could be Cory picking up after, would’ve been a perfect next step in the series. It is surreal to finally hear your spoiler review for this movie after watching all your videos about this trilogy from the very beginning this was a wild ride either way. Thanks for all your coverage Wolfman!
@michaelsmith2004
@michaelsmith2004 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the handling of Cory was incredible. I honestly think he carried this movie. I didn't really miss Michael too much because Cory's arc was so fun and compelling to watch. It was a solid character arc. Myers teaming up was in older films with the Man in black/Thorn cult. And this sort of transfer of Evil happened with Jamie Lloyd at the end of part 4, except in Halloween Ends it was done much better. I really enjoyed and appreciated such a fresh take on Halloween. Great review!
@thediscgolfdude8607
@thediscgolfdude8607 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t figure out if this is a terrible story executed perfectly or a great story executed poorly but I love it.
@miketrapper0464
@miketrapper0464 2 жыл бұрын
The latter
@krisorgan
@krisorgan 2 жыл бұрын
A bit of both perhaps but, I'd say the latter.
@DKG-85
@DKG-85 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Cory Cunningham as the Henry Bowers of this story, it's like Michael fed off his evil and vice versa
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
Good comparison. I can see that too.
@oskarwilde81
@oskarwilde81 2 жыл бұрын
Corey could work perfectly as a TV Series /Halloween spinoff
@nathancarbajal6383
@nathancarbajal6383 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, it would've worked best for a 2nd film instead of a very late introduction into the series
@richieluckenbill1590
@richieluckenbill1590 2 жыл бұрын
Like the Scream series.
@gavfagan4616
@gavfagan4616 2 жыл бұрын
He died didn't he?
@Fourwindsofsuccess
@Fourwindsofsuccess 2 жыл бұрын
I wish they would make a Halloween series. I’ll be tuned in. They should’ve introduced him in 2018 though, it would’ve came together.
@Jimquivious
@Jimquivious 2 жыл бұрын
@@gavfagan4616 yes. Corey “could’ve” worked I think the OP meant to say
@nathancarbajal6383
@nathancarbajal6383 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else thought Michael was gonna to wake back up before getting thrown into the shredder?
@willy565
@willy565 2 жыл бұрын
Movie was horrible. This Trilogy is a prime example of the director having A.D.D.....Very bummed out about this ending, as an avid Halloween fan. It should have been a stand alone movie, without Michael, just like Season of the Witch. There NEEDED to be an EPIC ENDING with Laurie and Michael.
@julienbalsen8456
@julienbalsen8456 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with Barry's analysis. It had to end and the film offers an ending. I think it's a good one and I'm fine with it. I also got very attached to Corey's character and I also thought it made sense for him to survive, if only to leave a door open. The references to "Halloween III Season of the Witch" are obvious: the credits with the blue characters, the music, and also the fact that Michael is almost absent. The introduction is smashing, and certainly one of the best in the franchise. The heart of the film is more of a psychological drama, an inner tug-of-war between good and evil, with a lot of symbolic references that take it away from the original horror genre and the previous films. Many thought it was like "Christine" and it is: the fact that Corey is employed in a car garage is not insignificant. The motorcycle represents the desire to escape from a city that has become cursed. I found Haddonfield to be more and more like Amity in "It" in its atmosphere of incommunicable terror: Michael is a shadow of his former self, and his absence has only strengthened the evil in the town. The final minutes and the final face-off of Laurie against Michael are intense. It's a mirror and a nose-thumbing to "Halloween Resurrection": everything is reversed. We have the conclusion that everyone loved in "H20": Laurie can live the rest of her life in peace (cherry blossoms are a symbol of renewal in Japan)
@sephfcuoctasphere1978
@sephfcuoctasphere1978 2 жыл бұрын
It seemed like there were supernatural (preternatural) moments. The first kill we see with Myers he seems to be strengthened by it, he was in bad shape (pun intended) but then it was like he absorbed the kill and it reinvigorated him. When The Shape was looking into Corey’s eyes he was seeing a potential and it seemed like there was a transfer that took place. After that Laurie saw him (Corey) differently. I think that there are subtle supernatural/preternatural things going on. Supernatural/Preternatural don’t necessarily mean immortal.
@ryanhobbs2315
@ryanhobbs2315 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely supernatural elements. "The Shape" was the star of this movie
@Myers_toast78
@Myers_toast78 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I didn’t like Corey at first but he grew on me and him having the curse was something I could get behind in time but then they do all of That build up to it just to do what? Kill him? Stupid.
@dominiquejones3805
@dominiquejones3805 2 жыл бұрын
Michael started doin the Harlem shake after the 1st kill
@mr.tsundere5330
@mr.tsundere5330 Жыл бұрын
@@dominiquejones3805 lmao
@cakeboy227
@cakeboy227 2 жыл бұрын
The ending goes against Akkads rule of killing the Boogeyman
@TJS1028
@TJS1028 2 жыл бұрын
there's more than one boogeyman
@cakeboy227
@cakeboy227 2 жыл бұрын
@@TJS1028 say "Boogeymen" without laughing
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
There was never a rule. That's just a silly rumour. Michael has died numerous times.
@jasonperez7858
@jasonperez7858 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the film and played the part over and over and I agree, the first stare down was an exchange, but I don't think Micheal saw pain in Corey, I think he saw evil. He saw a newer more aggressive evil with purpose, and for a few brief moments , it looks like Mikey was afraid of Corey. The first kill ,it was like micheal was afraid to kill til Corey made him. (The cop) , then looks for approval as he looks at Corey then stabs th red head. He let's him live, and couldn't beat him one on one over the mask. The minute Micheal got his chance he ended the evil. Micheal is the hero in this one , that's why he got the heros send off. Like super man. Except the crushing part. Lol
@christianc.christian5025
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
I saw it much differently. I didn’t see it as Michael letting Corey go. Just that Michael was weakened and blocked by an obstruction while Corey was desperate, weak, lonely, etc. So, he read too much into it and told himself that Michael spared him because he is “special.” Allyson even says that her mom saved her; but Corey’s mom is part of his problem. So, he had to fill in the rest and make up a flattering myth about how powerful he could become. And it failed spectacularly.
@WolfRaging95
@WolfRaging95 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if you noticed, but right before the ending credits, breathing could be heard. I noticed it on my second time through watching the movie.
@carlossoberon5369
@carlossoberon5369 2 жыл бұрын
How could you watch this film twice. Once was enough and that was a stretch.
@WolfRaging95
@WolfRaging95 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlossoberon5369, for you it was. Just because you didn’t like it, doesn’t mean others have to not like it, too.
@mikejohnson9498
@mikejohnson9498 2 жыл бұрын
@@WolfRaging95 Dude it sucked.....bad
@mikejohnson9498
@mikejohnson9498 2 жыл бұрын
@@WolfRaging95 but you're right. Different people like different things. I think for all of us long time die hard Halloween fans however, they failed us big time. But for you guys that like trendy overreaching story type horror it's good.
@TheAxalotl2000
@TheAxalotl2000 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I noticed that too. When the camera was going around the house at the end. Definitely breathing could be heard and the last camera shot you can see the mask on the table.
@somethingsomethang
@somethingsomethang 2 жыл бұрын
The reason they threw his body in the car shredder was symbolic…like a car gets shredded at the end of its useful life, now Michael has been shredded since it s the end of his storyline. At least thats what I took from watching it…they were foretelling at the beginning showing the vehicles being shredded.
@route42studios
@route42studios 2 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see his face more close up when he was shredded.
@Jimquivious
@Jimquivious 2 жыл бұрын
Yes at the beginning when it showed us the shredder I said to myself “this is symbolic” and immediately could see it being used on Michael.
@tr1llog66
@tr1llog66 2 жыл бұрын
Wish he would've woken up and grabbed Laurie and drag her in the shredder with him. I wanted both of them to die.
@MegaPsycho84
@MegaPsycho84 2 жыл бұрын
Corey carried this movie. I have to give credit where it is due. I liked the movie. There were some things that I didn’t agree with (as far as the ending and Corey being killed off) but other than that, it was solid to me.
@DominickChirchirillo
@DominickChirchirillo 2 жыл бұрын
The movie did entertain me. Even with all its major problems. I was expecting to hate the Corey character but I agree with you, Barry, he ended up being one of the best things about the film. I've got to let the film sit with me for a bit before I give it a more in depth opinion. I will watch it again tonight.
@DominickChirchirillo
@DominickChirchirillo 2 жыл бұрын
Just finished it for the 2nd time. Ehh. Its weird. But, I think I actually like it.
@raulcitraro
@raulcitraro 2 жыл бұрын
Well, remember, MICHAEL MYERS is pure evil. Probably when he grabs CUNNIGHAM by the throat and looks into his eyes, he has a spot of compassion in his heart and does not kill him...on the other hand, CUNNINGHAM sees evil in MICHAEL's eyes. It's hard to understand the mind of a psychopath.
@BTT16
@BTT16 2 жыл бұрын
When Laurie was done writing her memoir at the end of the film, and she says "Evil never really dies, it just changes shape", I wanted there to be a shot of Corey being tagged and stored away in the hospital morgue, and ass soon as Laurie says "Shape" in her narration, Corey opens his eyes. I don't know, i really took a liking to Corey's arc too, and did bot want him to die. I really dug the Christine vibes this movie had...this felt like a love letter to John Carpenter, and the soundtrack to this movie that the Carpenters and Davies composed friggin rocked!!!
@masqueraideworkshop
@masqueraideworkshop 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the movie. I feel like maybe they're leaving it open for an anthology to follow or maybe Corey was a way to acclimate the audience to the idea of having another killer that isn't Michael later. I found myself loving the kills in this movie and not missing Michael during those. I'm very anxious to see what can come later.
@richieluckenbill1590
@richieluckenbill1590 2 жыл бұрын
LMFAO 🙄
@Jimquivious
@Jimquivious 2 жыл бұрын
Then they should have let Corey live! 🤷🏻‍♂️
@masqueraideworkshop
@masqueraideworkshop 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jimquivious My thinking is that it could always be anyone. Not just Michael and not just Corey and referencing Laurie's book entry about it taking another shape.
@christianc.christian5025
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
@@richieluckenbill1590 Get a dating app, man. Negging strangers on YT is just adding to your frustrations.
@richieluckenbill1590
@richieluckenbill1590 2 жыл бұрын
@@christianc.christian5025 Gladly taken, thank you very much. 😜😂 Get a life
@mrgeek434
@mrgeek434 2 жыл бұрын
I just couldn't get onboard with the whole old man Michael/"he's just a man" Michael in this new trilogy. When Corey - a guy who had just been bullied by high school seniors - basically manhandled him and took his mask, it pretty much killed it for me. Give me Superhuman Michael over that any day.
@chennao
@chennao 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Michael's new apprentice or Screech from saved by the Bell!!!
@YouTubefreak92p
@YouTubefreak92p 2 жыл бұрын
Defo
@christianc.christian5025
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
He IS superhuman in this. He just has limits. I don’t know why so many fans want to see a movie villain who regenerates lost hit-points in between films to mindlessly continue making shitty sequels, but it’s part of why nearly every horror series is so awful now.
@MrMegatron85
@MrMegatron85 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought after the shredder scene, it was gonna cut back to Corey and he was gonna sit straight up.
@MrMegatron85
@MrMegatron85 2 жыл бұрын
I was also onboard for Corey to become the Boogeyman
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas 2 жыл бұрын
Likewise and now that the licensing is out of Blumhouse hands, that might be a possibility in the future. Fingers crossed.
@MrMegatron85
@MrMegatron85 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesenseiformerlyknownas I feel weird admitting it, but I totally respect the idea of Michael passing the evil torch. We should just let the old Boogeyman rest. He already went way above and beyond in kills and solidified his spot as the ultimate slasher.
@mandyd8979
@mandyd8979 2 жыл бұрын
The comments reflect pretty much what I thought would be said, It’s a good movie but more of a standalone, doesn’t feel like a Michael Myers movie except for some of the characters. And the fact that it was a conclusion to a trilogy… it didn’t really feel like it belonged in the trilogy. Then again following the same script causes many to say it’s the same old thing. I guess the opinions will be very divided. Laurie left it open by saying evil changes shape so somebody else could pick up where Michael left off.
@stephenmoss6874
@stephenmoss6874 2 жыл бұрын
I agree Corey was really good for the first 20 minutes of the film with real potential. It was when Corey was pushed off the bridge by the bullies and he encountered Michael Myers he became really weird and when he became braver and stronger by simply looking into Michael's eyes was a real low point for me. Also the way Michael seemed to let Corey take his mask from him was even more strange. I didn't like to see the shape look so vulnerable in the sewers. It didn't feel right at all and I'm baffled why the writers did this.
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
The issue is, Michael is just a human so he was absolutely weak.
@stefanlivesey8068
@stefanlivesey8068 2 жыл бұрын
Can you have a Halloween film that isn't about Michael Myers? The Season Of The Witch font during the opening credits was a tip-off. I loved this movie.
@Jus-X
@Jus-X 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been a great twist if Corey unlocked something evil in Allyson, given the end scene to the first movie.
@christopherlindsey9516
@christopherlindsey9516 2 жыл бұрын
Evil never dies it just changes shape. Perhaps Allyson is pregnant with Corey's kid and they'll be the next evil
@Jus-X
@Jus-X 2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherlindsey9516 that'd be interesting. Too bad Blumhouse is done with the series.
@ryansolo1317
@ryansolo1317 2 жыл бұрын
Michael was behind the tree at Laurie’s house before Corey stole his mask. So Corey didn’t lead him there by stealing his mask. He must have shown him where she lives before that, or Michael has been stalking her the whole time.
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
I said that in the review. He led him there before taking the mask. All coincidentally.
@xavierking2505
@xavierking2505 2 жыл бұрын
The movie psychology for the character of Laurie made no sense at all. For Michael to kill her daughter, Tommy and half the town, she should’ve been more on a warpath to find and kill Michael. And the character of Corey, basically turned this movie into Scream instead of a Halloween film. Corey should’ve been introduced in the 2018 and Halloween Kills so fans would have been invested in his way into madness. I truly believe the proper ending to this film would have been Michael and Laurie both dying together.
@brandonstodd
@brandonstodd 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed Ends. My favorite of the new trilogy. The homage to Christine was perfect. I liked how it was Corey's film. I also liked how Michael's role was limited. That made sense after the mob attack in Kills where he was shot 5 times, point blank. And he was 65 here, old and extremely weak; gave Michael a new dimension and some depth without explaining him. Michael still had a "supernatural" quality to him. Corey was Arnie Cunningham here. The scene with him versus the bullies was brutal and the best part of the film. I'm glad it wasn't open ended. Everything felt right to me, and Ends felt like a true ending. I say it's the second best film in franchise behind the OG 78 film.
@aricnichols2611
@aricnichols2611 2 жыл бұрын
Corey Cunningham is definitely one of my new favorite Halloween characters with regards to character development. It was interesting seeing how he went from normal, to ostracized, to full blown psychotic. Granted, I was a bit disappointed with his untimely demise, that would be my only negative critique with the movie, plus the length of it. I think there will be an extended addition to Halloween Ends that will be released later on the same way they did with Kills. As for Michael, the one thing I thought was interesting with him in this movie, was how he went from being a cripple to a strong man again in a manner of seconds after killing again. It was almost as though killing was what gave him life. And maybe not killing enough was probably what led to his downfall, because he didn't kill enough as he did in 2018 and Kills. He was able to take more punishment then, because he was on a massive slaughter spree. But in this movie, he hasn't killed nearly enough, so it hasn't given him enough strength and endurance to go after Laurie. That's my theory though. 😉
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked Corey's story as well, I just feel like they could have used him better in the bigger scope of things.
@LoKnowsBoxing
@LoKnowsBoxing 2 жыл бұрын
Great theory however I would have preferred Corey stealing Michael's mask behind his back instead of wrestling him out of the mask. It would have been better if Corey stole the mask then went on to kill his bullies while Michael goes on pursue of Corey and the mask while killing anyone he encountered along the way so it can feel like both are on thier separate rampage until Michael catches up to Corey and kills him and gets the mask back before facing off off with Laurie.
@rayvonvelez3129
@rayvonvelez3129 2 жыл бұрын
maybe if he survived, I probably would have liked his story better but it went nowhere. Why was Corey trying to stop Michael from grabbing the knife, like why didn't Corey just play dead.
@jasondyer722
@jasondyer722 2 жыл бұрын
Halloween Fans: You can’t kill the boogeyman! Blumhouse: Hold My Beer! The movie was a dumpster fire!
@Ghost_-nz5dy
@Ghost_-nz5dy 2 жыл бұрын
The film is about to make a bunch of money at the box office just because you think it’s bad doesn’t mean this franchise is officially dead because of a ““ bad film
@sigfridoodinson4319
@sigfridoodinson4319 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you in most things, despite that, i really enjoyed this movie. and i loved the Corey character.
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say "despite that" if you agree. We both agree.
@richfamousstyle6945
@richfamousstyle6945 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice that Laurie was the last person to have the Myers’ telepathic mind journey? And she ended up with the mask? Plus her last scene had a door left open? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
I see what you mean, but no. The movie doesn't allude to that.
@richfamousstyle6945
@richfamousstyle6945 2 жыл бұрын
@@WolfmansGotNards I believe one ending was to be Laurie inheriting the shape, and it being acknowledged in a final scene with Allison. Just curious why they left in the Laurie / Myers telepathy scene if that was nixed 🤷🏻‍♂️ I think there’s a subtle implication that they chose to leave in
@LoKnowsBoxing
@LoKnowsBoxing 2 жыл бұрын
They cut out alot if Laurie's soundbites. This movie I heard has 2 different versions and I hope The Blue Ray comes out with all 3 versions and endings
@joes4987
@joes4987 2 жыл бұрын
Laurie's and Michael's fight in H20 had more tension than what we got in ends. The shape became the sheep 🐑 in ends
@chitownphxman
@chitownphxman 2 жыл бұрын
I think JLC had a lot to do with the ending... a lot of influence from the one that got screwed in Resurrection and is the "star" and executive producer of the movie.
@only_one_chrisfantazzi
@only_one_chrisfantazzi 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the worst part of the movie
@chrispilmoor4403
@chrispilmoor4403 2 жыл бұрын
I love that H20 ending 👍👍👍
@mariojohnston7147
@mariojohnston7147 2 жыл бұрын
Felt like Halloween 3 season of the sheep
@chitownphxman
@chitownphxman 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrispilmoor4403 me too. They could've left it there and started a new chapter in the Halloween series at that point.
@adamdreaddy6590
@adamdreaddy6590 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so invested into Corey too! I couldn't agree more , I would of loved to see a new Halloween spinoff with a Corey.
@iconocolor643
@iconocolor643 2 жыл бұрын
NO
@christianc.christian5025
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
@@iconocolor643 Lmao.
@RayMac413
@RayMac413 2 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe how Michael got Bullied
@Jeptheplay
@Jeptheplay 2 жыл бұрын
it was kinda.. funny how corey rushed to michael and they started a small short fight over the mask lol.
@mariojohnston7147
@mariojohnston7147 2 жыл бұрын
The whole cast was on drugs 😂😂 very disappointed in this film after being class movie before this ruined it for me
@carljukes3891
@carljukes3891 2 жыл бұрын
I personally feel the issue lies with blumhouse hiring a director and writer whose speciality is comedy. Like when a pop star trys their hand at acting. For every lady gaga we get a Madonna or Mariah Carey. Same here. If only blumhouse had the guts to hand the franchise over to someone else after halloween 2018
@TheAxalotl2000
@TheAxalotl2000 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice that Corey teleports. Once behind Laurie and once behind his uncle.
@LodyDude
@LodyDude 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I seen that! Idk I thought it was pretty cool that once he started going evil it was like he gained some supernatural qualities.
@TheAxalotl2000
@TheAxalotl2000 2 жыл бұрын
@@LodyDude absolutely. Agree I also wondered how Michael appeared behind Karen so quick at the end of halloween kills. Also how did he enter and leave the house without anyone noticing him. There are so many questions about Halloween ends which needs to be explained
@flynbil
@flynbil 2 жыл бұрын
I have to watch it again. It had a different vibe, and some of the Corey and Michael interaction needs to be revisited. However, it does have some elements of Christine, Halloween 5, and unfortunately some Rob Zombie elements as well. Being a huge Halloween fan since it's inception, the jury is still out for me at this point. Glad it was different, but there are things that make me go "hmmmmm..." Good take Barry, as always. Your feelings at the end of your review really make sense, and I almost have the same feeling. That is another reason to see it again.
@mojomacauley
@mojomacauley 2 жыл бұрын
After reading all the negative comments online, I was surprised how much I liked this movie. I felt such empathy for Corey at first. His mother totally disturbed me. I agree with what say about this movie. The opening was superb with the death of the boy. I felt Michael didn’t feel like Michael but my theory on this is to show he is human and he became old and was struggling to recover from his injuries and had become much weaker.. I actually cried when Michael died. Not sure what that says about me. Overall a good film. I understand why some don’t like it and understand why some do.
@Mlp_karriz
@Mlp_karriz 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted more Michael then corey but i can respect corey’s part it was cool for another new character i guess but he was killed off fast also. Michael should’ve had the spot light plus way more time and scene’s respectfully 😤. The end fight should’ve been a lil bit longer but i some still enjoyed it since its what we got jamie & james and everybody did an amazing job!!! Great Video Wolfman!!!
@thecinemawithjames
@thecinemawithjames 2 жыл бұрын
I think it felt like 2 movies cause there is another version out there but also they wanted to give us a way the boogeyman story can be told but in a way of honoring michael myers keeping his legacy alive. The idea of how evil and rage can manifest in all of us and anything can make us snap is scary. Laurie said its addictive contagious the fesr michael left has turned the town into a rage infected place very different i love it. They went there and i applaued them for that.
@TheFlex56bpp
@TheFlex56bpp 2 жыл бұрын
I was absolutely worried to death about this movie Halloween Ends, I was so pleasantly surprised and I really enjoyed this movie. My only gripe is not showing enough Michael Myers
@only_one_chrisfantazzi
@only_one_chrisfantazzi 2 жыл бұрын
You and I have the exact same feelings. I thought Cory was grest. I was actually questioning whether Allison was going to change as she states that she stared at the radio tower. You could see a change in her. Wow she feel fast. Bur the ending was fast and Michael despite lifting that girl up with hand is getting his ass kicked by Laurie. But yeah I totally agree with your take. And WHY KEEP YHE MASK
@route42studios
@route42studios 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah if anything the mask maybe keeps sequels alive
@jomo8093
@jomo8093 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who invested time into this new timeline cannot justify this movie as a whole. Just cannot
@JWC924
@JWC924 2 жыл бұрын
5 minutes of Michael in his "final" movie was a disappointment
@scottrose220
@scottrose220 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the film and like you, found myself really into the Corey character. Rohan Campbell’s performance was very good
@Goodgrief478
@Goodgrief478 2 жыл бұрын
“Stabman and robin”, shades of Friday the 13th 5 and elm street 2 (Freddy and jessie) with some christine thrown into the mix. I tried to explain this movie to my best friend who didn’t see it and his response was “that doesn’t sound like a Michael Myers/Halloween movie” and that’s exactly it,this wasn’t. I honestly feel they didn’t give a crap about this movie in the end as long as Jamie lee got her “proper” ending. When many online are posting themselves watching “resurrection” and saying they’re appreciating it now thanks to how bad ends is….I’m just shocked. Those who like it, I’m glad they have a great time and those who don’t, I definitely can see where they are coming from.🎃
@saintgirl
@saintgirl 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you on this review. I would have liked to see Corey survive and become the next Michael Myers.
@Roshhuu
@Roshhuu 2 жыл бұрын
no Michael Myers is Michael Myers no one will replace him
@lastjedi7302
@lastjedi7302 2 жыл бұрын
Did his body get totally destroyed like Myers? No. Myers has been through worse than what happened to Corey and he kept coming back. Corey will be taken to the morgue in a body bag and he can get up again and start killing. We have seen this scene countless times by you know who. Michael Myers.
@Ghost_-nz5dy
@Ghost_-nz5dy 2 жыл бұрын
We hear breathing at the end of the film when they do jump cuts of Laurie’s house
@aaronclick6388
@aaronclick6388 2 жыл бұрын
I think Laurie got over things after 2018 even though more happened, because she was just going to go crazy if she kept herself in the same headspace she was in in 2018 (and she KNEW she would go crazy if she didn’t try to change her mindset), so it kind of makes sense.
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
But she could have done that in 1978.
@aaronclick6388
@aaronclick6388 2 жыл бұрын
So it took her a while to wise up, maybe. People are funny about mental health. When you break an arm, you do what’s best and go to the doctor/hospital. Mental health/emotional trauma and coping are different beasts. I’m just playing Devil’s advocate.
@YouTubefreak92p
@YouTubefreak92p 2 жыл бұрын
Alison was gagging for Corey in this
@VKdrummer
@VKdrummer 2 жыл бұрын
This was almost a "Christine" remake. Except for a badass car... it's Michael. Lol
@grantsutherland7943
@grantsutherland7943 2 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with what you say Barry, I got the shift in the story telling and enjoyed the Corey character. The End sucked, and left me thinking........ can the Halloween franchise survive niw we all know "you can kill the Boogeyman" Now we know Michael is gone, there is no Halloween, so any new direction just wouldn't feel right, but hey, who knows.
@Fourwindsofsuccess
@Fourwindsofsuccess 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I would’ve love if they would’ve made Corey survived at the end. I needed something more at that ending, like some sort of reveal.
@victoriavaisto5656
@victoriavaisto5656 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know how to feel about this movie like in kills for Michael to go through all that and still lived yes 3 years later so he’s weak but for him to die this way by just getting his throat slit and wrist like it doesn’t seem real even in 1978 he was shot 6 times and still survived that 2018 got shot at and lit on fire survived in kills the mob shot him stabbed him still survived but in ends that’s all it took was to be pinned down
@wndowpayne
@wndowpayne 2 жыл бұрын
I think that opening scene was well done...you actually get the sense of how far and hard he fell without getting the complete gore of it like the Kills hospital fall..that was gruesome.
@lennnon2
@lennnon2 2 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy. Thanks for al the awesome videos. I have to say after watching Halloween ends it really sucks that they put that scene with Corey taking his mask from him so easily unfortunately the man who could walk through a burning building and kill a whole crew of firefighters can’t even fend off this dude I just made him look weak in my opinion much like you said in many of your videos Hopefully someone can take a spin on Michael Myers and make another good one where he’s lurking in the background
@jamiewilshaw3595
@jamiewilshaw3595 2 жыл бұрын
Barry you're so right, it did feel like an anthology movie. Did I miss Michael 🤔 not too much. It's like paranormal activity the last film which wasn't really a paranormal activity film. In this Halloween Michael felt like more of a urban myth, the boogeyman so to speak. Not my favourite Halloween film but I enjoyed it none the less. 👍👍🎃🎃
@craigjones1946
@craigjones1946 2 жыл бұрын
Yea kinda like Candyman
@raulcitraro
@raulcitraro 2 жыл бұрын
The best scene/ killing was the D.J.'s tongue ending up on the record turn table. That was creative!
@raulcitraro
@raulcitraro 2 жыл бұрын
Something we all missed in HALLOWEEN ENDS was that JEREMY, the kid who died Halloween Night 2019, was a massive PAIN in the ass... LOL!!!
@jumarelrichie1127
@jumarelrichie1127 2 жыл бұрын
I think their was so much hype for this movie that this was bound to happen with shows like yours ... everyone on KZbin was given their takes and theories on what was gonna happen. even jlc said it's going to piss a lot of people off. I'm glad it's over. if they wanted they should've went the Quentin Tarantino's route and just did two parts where u kill jlc and mm and then Corey becomes the new killer following Allison out of town to continue the saga.
@ChrisMcGuire0
@ChrisMcGuire0 2 жыл бұрын
michael pushing corey down in the sewer was funny to me. he was like bitch i brought you in and you wanna steal my mask?
@RAD16880
@RAD16880 2 жыл бұрын
There were missing person flyers, implying that MM may have been killing people… I would’ve preferred Corey to have lived and eventually became the next killer…
@RoriesWorld
@RoriesWorld 2 жыл бұрын
That makes sense!! Him dying really took up a lot of time
@christianc.christian5025
@christianc.christian5025 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this at first, too, but the opening montage of Haddonfield shows that a *lot* of people were shot, abused, committed suicide, etc. She may have just ran off. And even if she was killed, it’s tough to say who killed her or where.
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
Myers probably got her. The old homeless man implied that Myers had been taking people in over the 4 years.
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas
@Thesenseiformerlyknownas 2 жыл бұрын
I think if they had just taken Corey's story and ran with it, it would have been more satisfying, but it came across as two movies haphazardly stapled together.
@MovieCaveDave
@MovieCaveDave 2 жыл бұрын
Well it’s been a while since I commented on one of your vids brotha, I watch em all but this one I really had to wait until i’d seen the movie to leave a comment, I completely agree with every word, the kid dying at the beginning got me, I was like ohhhh that’s settings things up nice and as I was watching it I really didn’t see, like you how Mike was gonna fit in, as you said it really did feel like a two sided rushed movie and that’s speaks one thing to me that they must have scrapped a lot and ended up calling it Halloween Ends and adding Mike instead of calling it Halloween ends and focusing on a “New” evil, if that makes sense, Mike should’ve either come in earlier or the Corey start shouldn’t have been so shocking in a way of ‘so this is going to start again’ kinda feeling..it was a strange watch and I will pick it up as it was not completely shite because like you the guy who played Corey was really good but it definitely didn’t feel like a third instalment to Laurie’s movies…stay safe big man hope the howler family is doing amazing. Room looks absolutely amazing, Love, Purpose n Peace MCD 🎃🔪
@theshape3988
@theshape3988 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I've watched 20 reviews on this film and this one is by far the best one I've heard. It brings up a couple things I didn't put together and I appreciate it. I really enjoyed this film much better than Halloween Kills
@WolfmansGotNards
@WolfmansGotNards 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I've still not had tike to watch other reviews so I'll need to see what others think. Also wondering what people have missed out that I didn't.
@Anthonycheesman33
@Anthonycheesman33 2 жыл бұрын
The one thing that annoyed me was the jump scares in this movie especially seeing it in imax lol.this is the longest Halloween movie but feels the most rushed .
@Mad-Matt
@Mad-Matt 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment. Corey's storyline and descent into a killer should have been in a different movie altogether. His story was interesting and his character was well-acted. However, I did not show up to see a Corey Cunningham movie. It felt like Michael and Laurie's battle at the end was done purely out of obligation - a mere afterthought. This was such a bizarre direction to go. The marketing was a pure bait-and-switch in my opinion. What was Green and the writers' thought process here? This felt like an anti-Halloween movie meant to purely subvert expectations. This has been a recent trend in Hollywood that I despise. You have new people given the creative reigns of a longstanding franchise. It seems like they enjoy acting almost antagonistic to existing fans and purposely not give what is desired.
@bigal3055
@bigal3055 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Someone else said it had a Christine vibe, which it does. That's fine with a film about a killer Plymouth Fury possessing it's owner, but not so much in a Halloween film. I can't quite work out if Michael was Cory's mentor, or if Cory was supposed to be Michael's handler. If its the latter, well it was a stupid idea with the Man in Black, it was a stupid idea with Doc Sultana (whatever) and it was a stupid idea here too. If it was the former, then that's just even worse!
@Chris-qv7xe
@Chris-qv7xe 2 жыл бұрын
See the Christine references MM was basically Christine and possessed Corey cunningham. The same surname as Arnie cunningham from the film Christine. Halloween ends felt rushed and was dispointing. At least the strode storyline is over. Hopefully any new films can take it further.
@jordanmoran1983
@jordanmoran1983 2 жыл бұрын
I just said to my mate "did Cory kill anyone that wasn't a dick?" 🤣
@Sebastian04223
@Sebastian04223 2 жыл бұрын
This movie was more like for Halloween 3 fans I feel
@thecinemawithjames
@thecinemawithjames 2 жыл бұрын
I think Corey meeting Allyson and Laurie before meeting michael they may have passed on their own trauma from Michael into him knowing what they have gone through it seems like Allyson was passing that onto him more so in rhe dance scene cause she seemed to be getting triggered before they started dancing then corey had a panic attack. That connection michael could feel he had to kill laurie to become stronger again he was just using corey to gain strength. But evil never truly dies it takes shape its in all of us. The idea of trauma he left behind people killing themselves is insane its exactly the world michael wanted to create he has left his legacy. This film has alot of re watch value. Oh some people have missed laurie shows michael the knife so he can see his reflection before she can kill him. Showing some mercy to evil and the whlle town witnessing michaels death is the only way to kill the boogeyman. I loved how at the end when corey was dressed as Michael i got H2 1981 vibes the movements he looked like young Michael clearly the point but the mask he had was very clown looking and also when he is stabbung sr mathis you can see him doing so in the shadows before the lights cut on so disturbing. The fighr scene was emotional for real i almost cried.
@mooncatgrenadier2075
@mooncatgrenadier2075 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on review Barry yep the way it ended was dire..Like you said should of had the Cory character like in Halloween 3 which would of given Michael time to recover and come back in a future film..Somewhere I read was Allyson driving off but pregnant with Corys child..
@keavs4564
@keavs4564 2 жыл бұрын
I’m obsessed with the accent. New sub
@theshapeshadow
@theshapeshadow 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVED the movie. Yes it has some issues but honestly the majority of it was wonderful for me. I loved the slow build and brooding atmosphere. Sometimes it even projected the mood of an 80's coming of age film like "Rivers Edge". It was even quite Carpenter-esque in parts and I absolutely felt the "Christine" link. Not sure about you and probably just projection, which I find is always interesting to discuss but, I picked up some homosexual subtext between Corey and Michael. In the "Kill the Cop" scene, it was like Corey was getting off watching Michael almost climax when he was pummeling the cop with the knife. They were an eyelash away from Eiffel Towering. 🤣 Corey was really interesting to me because he starts off a really nice and kind guy with a bright future ahead of him, like Laurie of '78, even down to sharing an enjoyment of chocolate milk and then he descends into a monster. I really liked that. He was a mirror of Laurie. Laurie's response was to step into the light after her trauma and Corey chose to step into the dark.
@bencarmona4806
@bencarmona4806 2 жыл бұрын
What a disgusting thing for you to bring a homosexual aspect into this film. Take that 💩 somewhere else. This movie was bad enough
@dogtanion9124
@dogtanion9124 2 жыл бұрын
Just watched this and thought it was a fitting ending for Laurie. This film was never going to be a proper bang Halloween like Halloween kills was. Don’t know if it’s just me but I got a feel of return of the living dead part 3 mixed with a bit of Christine some Halloween in there. I’ll be honest I came out of the cinema feeling a little flat but at the same time glad that I Havnt just watched the same old same old, a very different Halloween, I get why people might dislike this movie yes there’s a couple of mmm what the fuck how etc but this is a Laurie movie and Laurie putting Michael to bed, I really enjoyed the ending. You can tell Jamie lee had a big influence in the ending of this movie. Out of the David Gordon green trilogy I have to say I’m satisfied with the start middle and ending, we all knew this wasn’t going to be like the previous 2 but for me now looking back I think Halloween kills was the best of the 3
@ronstewart6362
@ronstewart6362 2 жыл бұрын
Man do I agree with you. Good movie but not a Micheal story which is what we wanted. All they needed to do was have Cory's body be gone when they get back from the junkyard and it would of been perfect for the evil never dies.
@ATOK_
@ATOK_ 2 жыл бұрын
The wrestling match between Corey and Michael looked like something the guys from WeWatchedAMovie would do😂
@garysim3534
@garysim3534 2 жыл бұрын
awesome review wolfman
@ChrisMcGuire0
@ChrisMcGuire0 2 жыл бұрын
they could still bring corey back and have a scene added in the beginning that we dont see after he supposedly dies
@johnnyblaze8439
@johnnyblaze8439 2 жыл бұрын
Cory's bullies are band geeks just let that sink in.
@kaylemjoseph8727
@kaylemjoseph8727 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just happy for once we got a definitive ending.
@baddworld
@baddworld 2 жыл бұрын
This movie was about embodying “The Shape” not the names of who the shape is at the moment
@Courtney53035
@Courtney53035 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute shit never been so upset and disappointed talk about ruining a hero. It’s was not the way to end it and all those involved should be ashamed
@Buckaroo_Baldwin
@Buckaroo_Baldwin 2 жыл бұрын
Corey and the kid watching The Thing, isn't just a reference to John Carpenter. In the first Halloween Lindsey and Tommy are watching the original Thing From Another World on TV. I have other thoughts and opinions about the movie right now but I just got home from seeing it and it's 3am I'm knackered. So I'll just say it's definitely different.
@steelstreet3765
@steelstreet3765 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite Halloween movies will always be the first two movies. I DONT LIKE the rest as much. I don't even think I have watched them in full
@Jensea1974
@Jensea1974 2 жыл бұрын
Another subtle nod that I enjoyed was when, in the prologue scene, the mother of the boy that Corey will be babysitting begins writing the phone number for where they can be reached. She gets as far as 555-23... The phone number of the house in which the babysitter is looking after the children in 1979's, "When A Stranger Calls" is 555-2368. This is also the phone number you would dial for the"Ghostbusters", five years later. Respect.
@TheCleanRapper93
@TheCleanRapper93 2 жыл бұрын
I really think the filmmakers were trying to make a movie that created the same response as Halloween 3. Maybe in 30 years people will appreciate it. I do think the filmmakers are in a tough spot. Switch it up or more of the same. You could have made a typical sequel, but it won’t get people chattering like this movie has done.
@mariojohnston7147
@mariojohnston7147 2 жыл бұрын
Halloween 3 season of the witch with Michael “ the shape” As a “ the sheep “ Halloween ends ; season of the sheep
@drloomisspeaks4210
@drloomisspeaks4210 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree how the hell does Laurie just carry on its absurd!
@chennao
@chennao 2 жыл бұрын
This movie made everything Rob Zombie did look like a classic
@ladyscarfaceangel4616
@ladyscarfaceangel4616 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still processing how I feel. Somethings I really liked & some I didn't or don't know how to feel about. I did enjoy it when Cory died, but I also enjoyed a lot of Corey parts. So I didn't hate him or even hate the fact that he was becoming Michael. It was just satisfying to me to see Michael kill him. If that makes sense. Especially after he took his mask. Time will tell if I love this movie or not. I love that this trilogy had a little something for everyone. I really enjoyed Kills the most. We shouldn't allow movies to divide us. We all share 1 passion, that we love Michael Myers! 💜🎃 I can't be selfish & want things my way everytime. That wouldn't be fair to the other fans. If they love something different then they should get that. I want other types of fans to feel the way I felt after watching Kills. Every Halloween fan deserves that.
@stuartholsgrove7987
@stuartholsgrove7987 2 жыл бұрын
I was really disappointed in the whole movie , I was overwhelmed with HK and was hoping this would restore a more 2018 feel , Michael had 10 minutes of screen time which for part 3 of a trilogy about him was devastating . I understand what your saying about Corey though and a good solution would be an alternate ending when the blu ray is released where Corey isn’t dead but escapes as Michael goes after Laurie . It reminded me of the recent Star Wars trilogy where the first one was really good followed by a really disappointing middle movie and an even worse 3rd movie finale
@declan3245
@declan3245 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the movie. Yes it had its flaws but most of them do. I like how each movie in the trilogy is unique. They released 3 movies across a 6 year gap so they're going to want to make each one different and not just have it feel like the exact same thing repeated over and over again. The final fight scene between Michael and Laurie was one of the best. Also, seeing alot of comments about how weak/slow Michael seemed at some points. But are people forgetting he's a 65 year old man who just spent the last 4 years living in a sewer with barely any food, while suffering from burns, gunshot wounds etc. He's hardly gonna be jumping around
@ILoveActresses
@ILoveActresses 2 жыл бұрын
Just saw the movie. Loved it. But it was way too short in my opinion. Like before I knew it, the movie was over. Like it was just an hour long, if even that. It left me wanting more. So much more. I need more Halloween. So I'm thinking of more sequels like... Halloween Continues: You Can't End The Boogeyman.
@Destiny93134
@Destiny93134 2 жыл бұрын
It was 2hrs long....
@ILoveActresses
@ILoveActresses 2 жыл бұрын
@@Destiny93134 Even so, it went by way too fast for me personally.
@liamdanielmcevoy6622
@liamdanielmcevoy6622 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the movie but it felt more like a spin-off than the final chapter of an epic quadrilogy. A shame because Corey is fantastic
@blueriverlore
@blueriverlore 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably intentional but there were no likeable characters in this movie. When I was watching Corey's transformation I was getting vibes of the movie 'Christine'. I agree that if Michael Myers was never introduced this would have been more of a stand-alone movie like 'Season of the Witch'. I'll need to watch it again. Nice review bro.
@theshapeshadow
@theshapeshadow 2 жыл бұрын
The felt the exchange between Michael and Corey in the sewers was suggesting that Michael recognized the same infected evil in Corey that is in Michael's DNA. Perhaps an evil that saturates Haddonfield. I liked that it investigated the idea that when trauma happens we have a choice. We can follow a path towards the light like Laurie did or we can follow a path towards the shadows. Laurie represented the survivor of trauma and Corey represented the victim. All interesting archetypes.
@DD-eight
@DD-eight 2 жыл бұрын
When Myers gets treated like Aunt Edna from Vacation we have problems!!
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