Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995) Is a Great Halloween Sequel

[@Eisenwulf666]

What directors/writers/producers seem to forget is why Michael Myers is scary: he is just a crazy guy with a knife. That's 100 times more scary than any supernatural stuff you can think off. He's no Jason or Freddie, they're basically fairytale monsters with certain rules and powers(well,most of the times). You can scare children with that and even adults for a brief moment,but then you start rationalizing and everything is fine. On the other hand the thought of looking out of the window and seeing a silent guy in a mask just staring into your windows at night, that's incredibly more scary and real. The feeling that someone, an actual person, is stalking you acts upon completely different fear than:" If you go to Crystal lake to camp and have sex, a zombie with a machete may kill you in a wacky way" . The moment you make him a "monster", it's just another fairytale

[@MovieDumpster]

Totally agree. Like we talk about in the episode, I feel like its just everyone wanting their killer to be like Jason because the Friday the 13th movies have the best track record overall and Jason is just this constant force of nature that you can't put down with conventional means. Michael Myers and Leatherface are just people, why are they taking bullet after bullet and surviving explosions? It's just dumb writing. But hey, maybe that's just us! -Sean

[@samhouston1979]

that’s why (especially as someone who lives in a rural area) i find movies like “the strangers” really scary

[@wretchardkimball9049]

"If I'm thinking like a studio executive; like I have my head up my ass." Connor, this episode has many great quotes from you.

[@collecticus]

I've completely changed my mind on Curse over the years. Now I think it's a fun slasher loaded with Halloween atmosphere.

[@Biollante2kMillenium]

"I want her to put him in a fing blender" Well, that was a pretty good Guess for Ends :D

[@BDSER11]

I just finished a fan edit of Halloween 1 and 2 that removes the Sister/Brother subplot and adds in some character bits in 2. I also added in a scene of Loomis warning people about Michael a year after killing Judith. That one scene was slow even by 70s standards, so I had to cut it up to prevent dragging things out. I cut several shots slightly shorter for runtime but it keeps the pace consistent and doesn't mess with the overall structure of the two films. I had to save it to google drive because youtube flagged it for copyright infringement immediately. Lol

[@MovieDumpster]

That’s awesome!

[@davebellivich703]

I made a fan edit of Halloween 2bbut wasn't able to save it.

[@Don-nf9de]

That's a shame, I'd like to see it.

[@bryanmalloch3080]

Haha Joe saying he wants Michael to go through a blender in Halloween Ends

[@MovieDumpster]

Prophecy fulfilled 🤣

[@PVT_Ryan_769]

… it sure did 🌭he’s Oscar Myers now LMAO😂

[@leejones8582]

The Director said Donald Pleasance was boring the cheek of it he was a icon.

[@MovieDumpster]

Wow, maybe it was the script he was given to work with?! RIP to a legend! -Sean

[@leejones8582]

@@MovieDumpster He was the best thing about 2,4,5 and 6

[@FishingwithFishgall]

I'm a new subscriber and this podcast has consumed my work hours for 2 weeks now Lol. Love it guys. With that said, you stated the brother sister was only on Halloween 2 TV cut? Incorrect. Loomis find out in the car my nurse chambers in the theatrical version as well

[@MovieDumpster]

Thanks for the sub and we’re glad you’re enjoying the show! 🙏💚📼

[@leejones8582]

Halloween II is a guilty pleasure.

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

The first Halloween movie I ever saw was Halloween 2 (1981), point of fact it’s my first horror/slasher movie and I was 6 or 7 at the time, so I always have a soft spot for it. Then Halloween, then 3, next I saw the theatrical cut of 6 (and I was only ever interested in seeing it specifically because it was supposed to be the origin for Michael) and I was lost, knowing he blew up in 2, I was like “How did we get here?” and thought 4 and 5 would explain that (and LOL oh boy was I wrong), although it would be quite some time before I would find that out because it took forever for these movies to come back to Cinemax so I could watch an uncut version of all the movies. Incidentally the Laurie Strode being Michael’s sister was in that version too. So that might also explain why so many people think they’re siblings, not just because of tv showings and AMC re-airings but it was also on Cinemax and HBO too. Like I was saying, I was finally able to see 4 & 5 and…omg they answer nothing and in fact they only left me with more questions. I like parts of 4 (including the ending) but it’s not good, and I don’t like 5 that much either, but I do really like the ending of 5, poor Jamie standing there amongst the carnage crying always gets me. As for the rest of the Halloween movies, I saw them all in release order, unfortunately I’ve never seen the producers cut of 6, but I’ve read enough things about it I feel like I’ve seen it, but I really wanna actually see it. I do like Biff’s death in the theatrical cut though. I don’t know what that says about me but, LOL.

[@MovieDumpster]

Talk about a roller coaster! The theatrical Biff death isn't horrible, it just didn't feel like something you would see in a Halloween movie. -Sean

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

@@MovieDumpster You are right about that, but the entire theatrical cut is the most un-Halloween movie in the franchise (well until we get to Resurrection, but even that one is closer to Halloween than the theatrical cut of 6). Well at least 6’s consistent with itself. You know what it’s kinda like? It’s like it was edited by the same people that edited together Suicide Squad, but they did it with Michael Bay in the room giving them suggestions, LOL.

[@bryanmalloch3080]

The curse of Miker Miles is real

[@JoshuaWeirdo]

I LOVE the opening. ❤ This is awesome. 😁

[@ronaldcopenhaver7091]

This was the first Halloween movie I saw in theaters. I left so disappointed and never gave it a chance. Somewhere 20+ years later, revisited it and found it wasn’t near as bad as I remembered. Then found the Producers cut and found a film I like significantly more. I find Tommy stopping Michael with runes more believable than him handing him the beatdown.

[@Burcakmusic]

I love h6. One of if not my fave sequel. Great atmosphere and Michael is scary!

[@MovieDumpster]

Agreed! The producer’s cut works for me. -Joe

[@leejones8582]

She looks like Embeth Davidtz who played Miss Honey in Matilda always thought they were the same actress.

[@MovieDumpster]

I thought the same thing, haha- Joe

[@wretchardkimball9049]

Hi Connor, can we get a top 5 list of the "scariest children you've ever seen in your life"?

[@tylerwatkins3196]

Laurie being Michaels Sister was in both versions of Halloween 2 but it was a throw away line in the Theatrical version

[@WowThereBuddy1]

There’s a solid film in between the two cuts. It’s weird and stupid but at least it’s interesting. I actually don’t think the new Halloween reboot is that great. The way it erases the canon actually creates more problems than it fixes. It turns a 20 minute scary one time interaction into this comically traumatizing event that shouldn’t be affecting anyone almost half a century later. You don’t make Laurie a stronger character by making her a gun nut home security freak who still can’t cope after all this time. Also Michael being this legendary figure is hilarious with only one film worth of material. Even just the first sequel being apart of the canon would help with his killing spree feeling significant, but it’s literally like 3 people tops only the night he originally came home and he’s now this like 60 something year old man. It’s just kind of a very cynical safe film that goes so out of its way to respect the original that it has no identity beyond that. Honestly I think even Rob Zombie handled emotional trauma and the aftermath of a slasher better.

[@MovieDumpster]

I would agree with the two cuts! -Joe

[@dbcooper6200]

I've been a fan of the Halloween movies since I was a kid. I used to look at Michael Myers masks along with all other weird stuff from movies I liked on the computers at school when I was a kid. I never was a fan of Halloween 3 when I was younger but over the it's kinda become one of favorites,Awesome review Dumpster gang 👍

[@MovieDumpster]

Oh, man. You just dredged up a memory of me in high school always going on the badmovies.org message board during our library session. Thanks for listening! 💚📼-Joe

[@Gorgutsforcongress]

Yasss. What with monster madness being a disaster this year...this has been a godsend. I doff my cap in your collective general directions. 👍

[@justaguy7230]

I haven't checked out monster madness yet. What is disastrous about it this year? Genuinely asking

[@Gorgutsforcongress]

@@justaguy7230 it got done for plagiarism, isn't on KZbin either... just on the website.

[@MovieDumpster]

Thanks for listening! 💚📼🎃

[@justaguy7230]

@@Gorgutsforcongress ok, I was wondering why. Thanks.

[@justaguy7230]

@@MovieDumpster Thanks for Talking! 🎃 I haven't listened all the way through but it's always good shit👍

[@wretchardkimball9049]

You guys sure say strode a lot in this one. I like it cause it rhymes with scrode.

[@MovieDumpster]

New Movie Dumpster drinking game, take a shot every time we say Strode!

[@johnpowers9753]

People need to stop shittin on 5 n praising 4. Watch them back to back as a whole. It is an amazing comedy!!!

[@robertbarron283]

This was my first Halloween on the BIG screen. I was 12 or 13, and I'd been living w/the end of part 5 for at least 4 or 5 yrs. I was like WTF. I'll still watch it if I see it on T.V. I only saw the producer cut once yrs back, I just remember it kinda being better? Loved the review 🎃🔪

[@MovieDumpster]

Thanks for watching! We’re glad you enjoyed it! 🙏💚📼

[@raulzavala9061]

I always joked that if Michael Myers only did his murdering spree on October 31 then that leaves the whole 364 days of the year for the inept sheriff or national guard to hunt Michael down, problem solved.

[@randycunningham7318]

Curse has grown on me.

[@wretchardkimball9049]

Just finished rockin my movie dumpster tee all over town.

[@maniaxlives1126]

Not the biggest fan of 6 but given 5? I respect them trying to make sense of that whole mess and believe me 5 was garbage in my opinion only one upped by Resurrection. Honestly I would've rewritten 5 to focus in on Rachel and Loomis with Michael coming back. Rachel in this maintains herself as Jamie's stepsister, forgiving Jamie for killing her mother who Jamie doesn't remember killing. This of course making Rachel and outcast a bit and causing friction with her father, Loomis acts support in this as well as Jamie's guardian of sorts. He isn't as crazy with her, not believing she is evil but instead views and states to Rachel how Michael is like a virus with his evil. Infecting and killing anything he touches. Jamie's psychic connection would be dulled down and only vaguely hinted at with Loomis asking if Jamie has seen Michael to which she tearfully nods, still mute. The ending of course would be similar with Loomis narrowly beating Michael to death, Loomis dying of a heart attack much to Jamie's pain as she turns to see Michael still faintly breathing. Picking up the knife, she goes to end him once and for all but is stopped by one of the police who offer to her that it's over. Jamie and Rachel are then in the back of a police car as a sedated Michael is escorted in an ambulance, the police offering that they'll make sure that he won't live to spend life behind bars. However we see then a car collide with them as it sends them into a ditch. Rachel would see then someone take Jamie away, the Man in Black, as well as Michael which would serve to set up the cult in 6.

[@samhouston1979]

Halloween 6 made me buy a Brother Cane cd at Half Price Books recently

[@wretchardkimball9049]

Scallywag: The Curse of Dr Wretchard Kimball, Attorney at Sea

[@JohnnyBGoodfornothin]

100% agreed about hating the 1990s aesthetic on a Halloween movie. It just doesn't fit imho. It's why H20 hasn't aged well, it's still like a 3/5 ⭐ but in '98 I'd have given it a 4/5

[@MsDboyy]

Why did they ever try to make Halloween a franchise 🙄🤷‍♂️ Lol

[@paulaburrows8660]

Nurse Chambers tells Loomis about the sister connection in the cop car near the end of Halloween 2 theatrical version. Do your research

[@MovieDumpster]

Can’t remember everything all the time, and sometimes the wires get crossed. Pretty sure we discuss again later and I’m either corrected or correct myself in either our Halloween Ressurection review or Worst Halloween 2 we did with Hack the Movies. But yea, fuck me for being a human I guess. -Joe

[@tylerwatkins3196]

Friday the 13 th started as a Halloween clone but I will say even though even though I think original Halloween is one of the greatest horror movies of all time but I will say Friday the 13th is more consistent

[@MovieDumpster]

Yeah I think that was my larger point in this episode and any time we bring it up, Michael's "powers" are just all over the place from movie to movie. Thanks for watching! -Sean

[@kyleshiflet9952]

I can totally see why you hate Rob Zombie's Halloween I'm a fan of it but to be honest I kinda prefer the theatrical version cause that rape scene in the uncut version was brutal that was to far

[@MovieDumpster]

Yeah, we get what Rob is going for but sometimes he tends to forget the old saying "less is more" in his movies.

[@kyleshiflet9952]

@@MovieDumpster yeah he does but the only time I appreciated him him ignoring less is more was with The Devil's Rejects

[@MovieDumpster]

@@kyleshiflet9952 Agreed. Devils Rejects is still probably his best film, although I’m curious (if nothing else) about his upcoming Munsters movie. -Sean

[@kyleshiflet9952]

@@MovieDumpster I am to especially since it gonna be PG maybe it'll be another great movie

[@PseudoNym13]

rob zombie should have made texas chainsaw remakes instead of halloween remakes.

[@MovieDumpster]

It definitely would have been more the right aesthetic!

[@harrypothead42024]

the biggest missed opportunity in shitty quasi Supernatural serial killer movies is, The Cult of thorn should have been tied in with season of the witch. the man in Black should have been named the same thing as a guy in Season of the witch, Conal Cochran. Tom Atkins should have shown up at the end of curse to inform Ant-Man what's going on and why they need to track down Michael Myers in the upcoming 7th movie that wouldn't have been H2O

[@MovieDumpster]

Not a bad idea, anything would have been better than each movie getting a totally different vision than the last. Some kind of unity could have saved these for me. -Sean

[@xCookieNationx]

Ok ✅

[@ectoplasm]

Halloween 4 is fine, and 5 is OK, and neither are nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be, especially relative to every subsequent Halloween movie to come out since. And, Halloween 4 knows exactly what it wants to be -- it's pretty obviously an 80s reboot/retreading of the original movie.

[@WowThereBuddy1]

I prefer 5 maybe just for the mask being somewhat better. The one in 4 is just so bad.

[@justaguy7230]

I put Halloween 2 and 4 on the same level. Neither is really good, but neither is a terrible travesty, like Resurrection or Zombies films

[@WowThereBuddy1]

@@justaguy7230 Zombie’s films are not nearly as bad as people say. Watch Ryan Hollinger’s recent video on them or read Mike Thorns writing about them. It was at least doing something interesting with the material. Resurrection is dogshit tho.

[@justaguy7230]

@@WowThereBuddy1 Yeah, I just watched them last year, still hate them. The only decent thing imo is Michael's brutality.

[@WowThereBuddy1]

@@justaguy7230 that’s fair. totally understand the hate.

[@Assimandeli]

Both versions of this film are awful. It's crazy that they continued to make, what, seven more Halloween films afterwards. Such a terrible series of films, sheesh.

[@samhouston1979]

i watched the new trilogy in theaters & frankly had a good time, but in retrospect the middle one “kills” was stupid and Ends was mid….it could/should have ended with Halloween (2018)

[@whoablack3138]

Man yall tripping Michael will body all them slashers Jason freddy leahterface quit playing fellas

[@MovieDumpster]

Some of its personal preference sure, but we explain in the episode why we feel that way. It’s cool if you disagree though! We’ve talked about it a few other times more recently in our Halloween Resurrection and Ends episodes. -Sean