Halo Infinite From a Montager's Perspective

[@DoubleAA_Editor]

I think a thing to keep in mind is that half the things you said does not strictly apply to montagers. Medals are not something that only montagers want, and we do not mean we just want multikill medals. I still remember getting perfection and running riot medals and being super happy to get them when I was playing these games casually. It is a staple of the previous halos and something that people look forward to getting no matter how they are playing the game. With theater also, people would always do crazy things in theater and not just for montages, but machinimas and films and pictures, and they would share it with other people so they could see it. It was a real sense of community that halo 5 and MCC just don't really have. I have already mentioned most of the other things you've said in my streams and what not, but I just hope that if 343 were to watch this video or read this comment, it is not to bash their game or anything like that, and it is seriously not our intention to just make the game easier for montagers. We want the game to be more fun for the majority of people, and I think by what you and what others have said, the game could be that.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

It's funny looking back on this video knowing what we know :)

[@ZondaTheGoat]

I absolutely love coming back to this and seeing that Infinite is the exact opposite of what we want on every single point

[@TheReachWay]

I wish you made more commentaries Chris I would watch them all haha. And I had the same concern about that over showing in the killfeed. Hoping it only shows once the multi is finished.

[@AppleFanaticGaming]

Appreciate that a ton Taquin

[@ASwankyLemon]

Awesome video. Honestly the aesthetics and theater mode are the biggest reasons I chose and continue to choose halo as the game I make videos on, and it’s pretty clear that’s why H3/reach are such good montaging games. Infinite will have SBMM and probably a bunch of other systems that aren’t the friendliest to modern montaging methods, but I think if it has a good theater mode and the bright, saturated, recognizable aesthetic that made halo so great in the first place, it’ll succeed :)

[@Zrmbe]

The multikill times segment is on point, i recently hopped back on reach to find how hard it was to pick up multi medals because of how used to H5's timer was. And I've heard from Unyshek somewhere that medals are actually returning to infinite, but we havent seen them yet which is a little weird. This entire video basically summerized all my thoughts and then some, really well said man

[@Zrmbe]

ALSO THAT BIT ABOUT THEATER IS SO FACTUAL, I DESPISE HALO 5 THEATER

[@Pingy146]

Great video dude, completely agree with you on everything you mentioned. Hopefully 343 bring back the H3/Reach style medals. H4/5 medals make me wanna puke.

[@FatRatHalo]

good shit chris, i agree with pretty much everything besides the 10 minute segment on creating an ethnostate, that felt a little out of place

[@scacegod]

Great video Chris, I agree with everything you said. Although not montage related, I'd like to see 343 get rid of the red outline on enemies and sniper glint.

[@ElykHalo]

You did a really good job at making a clear, informative and precise video Chris. You spoke about pretty much everything that has been on my mind regarding Infinite and more. Really really good video

[@BroeyBroe]

Great points man, that solution towards the "*Gamertag* Earned an Overkill!" I would be super down for if they HAVE to keep that in the game, where it pops up, after the timer runs out for the multi. Also just a lot of these points really hit home, especially about MMR and ESPECIALLY about Theater/File Sharing Films. I really hope we get a system like the older games where it was more robust and refined for a ton of these issues. Cause currently with MCC and Halo 5, nuh-uh, can't be having that at this point. I'm in the camp where I think infinite looks like a really fun game to play, but if you don't nail the fundamentals with a good matchmaking system and good file sharing (not just maps and gametypes, but theater films and screenshots too), then I'm sorry that's not acceptable at this point I think.

[@EntretuGaming]

I agree so much with you, I completely stopped making angles because of that and it killed my motivation to edit montages, now I'm just a bad montager making effortless vids with shit clips. If Infinite can do the theater and fileshare right, that'd be huge fo me

[@ZondaTheGoat]

You weren’t harsh enough about how ugly the halo 4 and 5 medals are. They are abysmal in comparison to Reach and Halo 3.

[@DaveShave]

Man you made so many great points I didn't even think of. Totally agree with everything you said. Thanks for making this and hope 343 sees it! Cheers Chris!

[@feccez0]

Thanks for doing this Chris, I thought it was well articulated and you certainly stayed far more positive than most of us would have. My only hope is that this gets brought to the attention of 343, even acknowledgement would be nice. If you want I can send this in an email to the guy I’ve talked to (internal Microsoft email)

[@FLy1nRabBit]

It's like the most cursed compliment by MCC is to constantly put you on a team of shitters because apparently you're *too good*. Like dear God PLEASE, it's once a blue moon I'll have competent team mates. I can't wait for Infinite and its massive population to have a much wider variety of players to play with and against.

[@fgrd]

you made some really good points here and I agree with almost everything you mentioned. really excited to see the halo montage community come together again once this game releases :)

[@MLKMilky]

really enjoyed this and agreed with pretty much everything you mentioned. the parts about theater and mmr definitely were the most relatable to me with trying to finish up my h5 tage. even from a normal players standpoint I would love to play with friends on h5 without needing to smurf, it was just frustrating when we would try playing social and i would have to swap between accounts and pray we could get a chill game. and like you said, I could go on a long rant about h5 theater, but all in all I just want a working theater and hopefully a good file share system. really hope someone at 343 sees this, as a lot of the things you mentioned were super relatable for me and many other tagers.

[@Real_Halo_MC]

Agree with a lot of what you said, nice video man Wanted to add to some of the medal / theater stuff, sorry if it gets ramble-y lmao Regarding the whole lobby announcement thing, I think it's worth mentioning that I know Titanfall 2 does this with some medals, at least TF2's equivalent of overkill (and everything above (works like H2 Jaro medal)) While I don't think it's an issue with a game like TF2 which is incredibly fast paced and you really can't focus someone easily cause of the speed of the game, I think it just doesn't work with Halo and puts a huge target on someone's head. Given, that normally happens a lot of the time you hit a multi anyway, but I at least think that a shared message shouldn't show until the multi ends, like you said Adding on to theater, as well as it needing to be accurate, it needs to also not crash. To this day if I go into a theater clip on torque and use the skip forward / skip backwards button, Halo 5 **instantly** crashes. Straight to the xbox home page. No error message, nothing. (Gets extra weird because if I break the theater camera out of bounds on the map *and then* skip, the game doesn't crash, which totally makes sense?) The one thing I will give H5 about its theater is that (assuming it's within a few days of the game) you can go to anyone's match history on waypoint and bookmark a game to view in theater, and as long as you have a game bookmarked you can't lose access to it in theater (I still have bookmarks from 2015/16). (But if a game is more than a few days old, you can't save it, even if someone has it bookmarked?) Also with theater, I think staging angles is becoming an increasing issue too. Like with Halo 5 if you stage an angle, normally (at least I) want the armour to be right. H5 has 100's of helmets and 100's of armour pieces, with 20+ weapon skins for each loadout weapon, and different visor colours. With even more customisation options / coatings coming to Infinite, (hell, even more customisation coming to MCC), I don't want to get to a point where I **can't** even stage an angle because I don't have the right armour.

[@MLKMilky]

yeah definitely agree with everything you mentioned, I feel like having to buy cosmetics in infinite might fuck with angle staging, so the game NEEDS a good theater system. also bookmarking needs to be less random, like today I could bookmark a film from months ago but my game from last week no longer existed. bad theater in infinite will definitely fuck with montages

[@PandaLOLs]

Really great video man every point you made was spot on and I hope change will come!

[@PredatorH3]

10/10 nailed it perfectly on the head with this video. I really hope 343 sees this and makes the changes.

[@calicospartan4251]

Great points! A possible solution for the medals issue (especially with infinite being designed for pc with more customizable settings) would be to give the option to disable or filter out certain parts of the gameplay UI. For instance, you could set up the ui to hide the "+100" text when getting a kill or only show/announce multikill medals. Also, I never understood the idea of getting rid of map voting and the veto system entirely. If people are only choosing one map/mode, that lets the developers know that they need to design better maps lol (maybe switch in forge maps if they don't have performance issues). I completely agree about the weapon spawn criticism. Part of the mental aspect of halo is knowing when and where weapons spawn. Regarding the issue of strict mmr, hopefully the bigger and more diverse audience of infinite will give enough feedback in order for 343 to find the right balance.

[@grizzlycougar]

Yeah agreed with pretty much every point, halo 3/reach defiantly had the best medals and placement on the screen, be nice to go back to that.

[@TheSaiderRiscam]

Great points. Video flew by.

[@LemonSherpa]

I agree with a lot of your points here. Especially theater. We'll see if 343 continues to gut theater's capabilities, but I haven't seen any acknowledgement of the negative effect on creators thus far so I'm not holding my breath.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

4 second multi timer was perfect for halo 3 but it can be very punishing in reach where reloading takes so much longer. Not sure I would want it to change though.

[@MLKMilky]

saddening to see how most of the things mentioned weren't changed, this game is going to be even worse than h5 for taging and may only prosper ranked-wise. hope the community for MCC and h5 vids still stays alive a bit longer

[@TheAsd19]

Why can’t they just match me vs noobs every single game on a map with sniper and prevent the noobs from quitting, and make the score double to win??? Is that too much to ask???

[@EntretuGaming]

Lol that'd be great 😂😂

[@PandaLOLs]

what you’ve just described is when you get a god lobby and you get reflection

[@FatRatHalo]

2:02 LMAO

[@FatRatHalo]

an overarching theme of halo's (and probably most games') transformation is making every player feel like a "FuckiN BeasT". getting 7 medals for killing someone with an assault rifle may initially seem like a good idea to reward every single player, but it devalues actual achievements. i can't speak for today's timmyturnerfan54 but when i was a little fatrat playing halo 3, i felt so incredibly satisfied whenever i actually got something "impressive", because it was a challenge. it almost feels a little condescending getting a bunch of medals for doing the bare minimum, and while i haven't been 11 years old in like 30 years i assume prepubescent me would feel the same way, though young me may not be able to put it into words. the more you "grind" for something, the more satisfying it is to achieve it same thing applies to an increased multikill timer, sniper difficulty, mmr, and even enhanced mobility to some extent (though that's a bit more nuanced). i'm obviously biased because i want the game to be difficult since i've invested most of my life into it, but i think it really ruins the engagement of new/younger players. if you don't make skill progression noticeable then you won't get much of a player retention in the long term (and this would be extra pertinent since infinite has a 10 year plan). this also applies to a myriad of skills, not just competitiveness/playing to win vote trump 2020

[@SkanDogVids]

Great video Halo 5 medals suck and from a montagers sanity perspective and especially from a comp perspective there's nothing skillful about everyone knowing exactly when power weapons are spawning. One thing I really liked what they did was modernize OS and Camo and treat them as equipment. From a comp perspective the risk reward scenario raises the skill ceiling. As a Montager it's great knowing I won't have to waste almost half of the camo at times just to analyze the situation and see what my best options are before I start the chain. I haven't smurfed in three plus years so MMR doesn't bother me.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

You committed wrong think in this video. I hope you learned your lesson, now go play Uplink stockpile or Bazaar slayer and think about what you have done.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

Tbh I like team balancing I think it’s been great in MCC. I think you should match literally whoever with a priority on connection then the teams should be balanced just like in MCC.

[@Ztuu]

I can't believe they haven't gone back to 3/reach medals already, who thinks it's a good idea to have h4/h5 style ones :'(

[@imjlg5154]

Hopefully 343 have seen all the criticism on the past halo games and have made a great new halo thats enjoyable 😀

[@jadesloth4797]

nah u got it all wrong, the only thing halo infinite needs is... kampy

[@EntretuGaming]

That'd make so much difference for me. I never really liked h5 but kampy's vids made it so enjoyable and with his big audience he gives lots of attention to the montage community. Also he's not out of this world like Darren or Eli x and he uses a lot of little clips like back to back noscopes so he gives hope to montage makers like me that aren't very good. A lot of montagers started their thing because of Kampy. He's the messiah of the montage community. 😂

[@EntretuGaming]

I want to see the medals so bad... I'm hyped this for this game but also worried about a bunch of things, mostly the strictness of sbmm (edit : AND THEATER, FUCK MCC'S THEATER) so I'm just waiting for the flight and crossing fingers before giving my opinion.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

Also halo reach is more aesthetic than halo 3 but I’m bias

[@ZondaTheGoat]

I’ll never understand why people think sniping in halo 3 is so much harder than other games. I will literally never understand it.

[@feccez0]

Ok nich show us your h3 snipe

[@ZondaTheGoat]

@@feccez0 I don’t need to, everybody and their grandma already does. I would do it to prove a point if I wouldn’t get trash muscle memory from the recoil and wouldn’t be playing 30 year olds on 360 Hz monitors who have played halo 3 half their lives every game.

[@AbsoluteIKeatI]

343 will listen to the community this time Copium

[@ZondaTheGoat]

Lmaoooo

[@ZondaTheGoat]

Sniping in the halo 3 video game is not harder than reach, I can’t believe this opinion ever became popular. Moon gravity moon movement.

[@ZondaTheGoat]

343 medals are so pitiful, you went so easy on them in this video

[@ZondaTheGoat]

And the way the medals pop up was 10 steps backwards