Halo Infinite On Mouse & Keyboard After The Update…

[@RuukuLada]

If only it weren’t a necessity of Halo to have the controller aim feel as effortless as it is, but it’s in the roots of the game. As a M&K player I’d rather not have any assist and just nerf controller a bit, but that would betray Halo’s console brand. So if we’re to buff M&K, I too would prefer magnetism that doesn’t impact the mouse feel so much. Prior to the update, M&K felt fine, but plenty of identical shots to controller would not count in the absence of red reticle. For those not familiar, magnetism as a mechanic is essentially coupled directly with red reticle, indicating essentially guaranteed shots sans aiming on target.

[@killzone64]

its possible to get it right. 343 needs to up the bullet magnetisim a bit and remove the reticule magnetisim on pc and slightly reduce it on console while making the console reticule magnetisim cone slightly wider. this should mean that micro adjustments are still needed on console to nail those headshots but they still have the smooth aiming feel. halo 1 and 3 nailed it where halo 2 went way too strong on the reticule magnetisim imo.

[@Dryvlyne]

I've been playing on MnK since Infinite launched. Yes, the changes are there but I feel like a lot of ppl are experiencing placebo. You're not suddenly going to become a God at the game because of these changes. If I see an HCS player using MnK then I'll believe that it has improved. Until then controller will still be the superior input.

[@4bidn1]

Funny you say that since the person above you claims exactly that "it feels like I can throw my mouse at their head with the sniper and as long as I pull the trigger they'll die"|

[@rexrob2568]

its not op but the change is def noticeable. really good controller players will still dominate but it doesnt feel like even an average player can rip you apart

[@thirdwordbird3011]

I definitely don't have as many issues with tracking on pc.

[@rexrob2568]

@@thirdwordbird3011 same if its games like apex. halo pre update made me want to die though

[@thirdwordbird3011]

@rexrob2568 yeah pre update was definitely worse. While the friction update has made things more consistent I would very much prefer them to go the destiny route instead with more aggressive magnetism

[@slayerkotten]

Okey im am legit terrified for what the future of FPS games holds if this stays as it is and other studios and publishers adopt this mentality for how to balance M&KB vs controller.....

[@amesomist]

This in combination with forced crossplay

[@j1883311]

If this forces Xbox to add gyro support and company start making gyro aim + flick stick the new industry norm, this will solve 95% of the crossplay input problem Controller AA is just outdated, simple as. Keep it as legacy input but be outclassed by gyro so ppl have options

[@FireBrickStudios]

I was one of those players that never felt confident with either mouse or controller. Compared to legacy titles, Infinite's aiming system feels weird. Occasionally the friction gets me, but overall I'm having fun. Really having fun

[@brainbox9219]

Feels like I’m finally on leveled playing field, love the changes, hope they don’t change it

[@cocopuffz604]

I'm definitely "hitting" my stalker rifle and sniper shots more now. I used to avoid them because of how little I'd actually hit with them... As good as it feels now, I still get wrecked occasionally by superior teams that play together. So it's not the end all be all. In the hands of a really good player It's probably a little OP. In my average (im being generous) hands... it keeps me playing. I'm having fun again...

[@jamesron5965]

Unfortunately might not ever play this game again on mnk if this friction is in the game. I prefer mnk to feel that 1-1 ratio between hand movement and response. I always feel like i'm the one that earned the shots, even if it is in general easier to aim on mouse than on controller provided the aim assist is weak enough. And as a player that plays a huge variety of fps games and having my aim almost immediately transfer over from game to game is immensely rewarding and not worth potentially messing up by getting invested in this game.

[@l.a.wright6912]

agreed. not just matching magnatism was a bad choice

[@maksjust5469]

Yep i want to Play on mouse and keyboard not another controller simulating mouse

[@vans2548]

It's weird alright. Constantly find myself over-aiming in a way, inputs that would previously track don't move the reticle anymore, so I instinctively move the mouse even more, which jerks the reticle off enemies. It's weird. Kinda like switching from manual driving to auto. No scopes in particular feel harder to hit.

[@HostelJV]

ive never played m and k on any game before and i was hitting perfect kills over and over again in high diamond ranked games it seems extremely OP not going to make the change personally but i could deff see people making the switch considering how easy it is to hit shots

[@Friskybusiness1]

i have swapped from mnk, to controller, and now back to mnk because of how much of a joke mnk has become lmao. its way too good.

[@HostelJV]

@@Friskybusiness1 yeah pretty much anyone can grab m and k now and dominate lol it literally feels like it aims for you lol 343 never seem to surprise me with the goofy shit they do!!

[@justinreynolds6318]

@@HostelJV Now you know how M+KB players have felt since launch with how much work aim assist does for you on controller. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you're here whining. 🤡

[@giampieroilbello5373]

@@justinreynolds6318 as if controller and mnk were even remotely comparable

[@HostelJV]

@@justinreynolds6318 maybe im whining but i think anything that brings people back to halo is great and i hope they continue to make adjustments to create an even playing field!!

[@4bidn1]

@BBKDRAGOON I've been playing kbm nonstop since launch, currently have 600+ hours and tbh this latest update to me has brought back the feeling I get on MCC in it's current form. I feel like my shots are actually registering consistently. If I'm aiming at the enemy, my shots hit, end of story, as it should be. Idk if they actually changed any hit reg stuff but now I'm rewarded for good positioning, timing, and putting my reticle on the enemy.. Whereas before this update kills and hit markers felt like they were just handed to me occasionally when the game felt like it. In saying that, I haven't had a negative game since the update either... I've lost games but majority of them I was still 21-7 or better. I really hope that 343 maybe dials the stats on this change back juuuuust a fraction. Enough to level the playing field at medium-long range engagements (which we already had an advantage at) but not so much that it feels like it did previously. Magnetism + red reticle would have probably felt just as rewarding, without feeling cheesy at the same time, but if this is the route we're going then it needs to be worked on for sure...

[@SHATTEREDxBLADE1]

Dragoon hasn’t been on infinite in so long he didn’t know about the campaign variant weapons in BTB lol

[@johngaver1104]

I love it. It’s just more fun now. Feel like master chief

[@Mihubruh]

the photo of the mouse you used on the video, what mouse is that?

[@vans2548]

Ah yes, the galloping BR, a rare breed to catch in the wild. And damn, those shots man!

[@BBKDRAGOON]

hahaha the galloping br is a perfect description

[@vans2548]

@@BBKDRAGOON 😂 thanks for sticking with halo infinite btw, despite the bumpy whole year it's been, always a good watch

[@Khemra-vr9lk]

I had no idea there was a change. I stopped playing for a while and got back on and knew there was a difference just wasn't sure if it was in the settings or the game update. But yeah, I've been playing a lot more since then. I did like controller but I keep getting stick drift.

[@OdysseyZZGaming]

I haven't been keeping up with much of halo infinite tbh (but I'll always watch some bbk-halo gameplay!) but would being able to select playing vs. other mice only/controller only be feasible, with the option to play vs/with both? I presume the contention against this is to avoid splitting the player base, but how much of an issue would that be? (Also apologies if this is already an option or something--like I said, I have not kept up with it)

[@rexrob2568]

they only have it as an option for ranked…. and they had to completely disable the option because so few mouse players actually played the game. so as of right now, having a mouse only option just wouldnt work, queue times would take an extremely long time or you just wouldn’t find one at all. that being said mouse only lobbies werent all that great back then, gunfights in mouse v mouse matches were usually longer than on controller only lobbies. a big reason is just the speed of strafing in the game, its really fast so its harder to land those shots unless you sit there and practiced 24/7. and mouse v controller was just a no post update, controller players would just mop the floor with mouse players

[@kimeriksson7445]

​@@rexrob2568Hmm, they could have kept a controller only option thou right?

[@xxspartanxx115]

343 said they're gonna leave it in for now and monitor feedback and they're gonna work on a toggle option

[@Friskybusiness1]

i consistently have a higher k/d and accuracy on kbm after 8 months of not using it for halo. i feel like that should say a lot about how egregiously op it feels. i had minor practice from casually playing fortnite while all my main actual halo practice was still on controller because it was previously better, but now its kinda just a joke. my aim feels like i can throw my mouse at their head with the sniper and as long as i pull the trigger theyll die.

[@hansr370]

Bullshit lol, sniper has no aim assist on mnk or controller

[@DixaN66]

Not a halo infinite player here, but what's the point of adding mouse aimassist (at least that's what it seems from your description of it)?

[@EthelonYT]

I haven't tried it out nor do I have the time to so I can't give a fair opinion on it but, first impression is that it seems like a scary precedent to set, so I hope they're being careful with it and know what they're doing. I imagine it'd feel quite distracting though no? Maybe just a muscle memory issue but it looks like it'd feel wrong in the same way that mouse acceleration does

[@thirdwordbird3011]

I would prefer the destiny route. More aggressive magnetism and less friction.

[@nashwalker7]

Iv been playing mkb for the last week or so. Honestly, its still not on par for controller in competitive play. It does feel really good though so I will probably continue playing on mkb

[@cridder9821]

I wish I had the option to turn it off and on. I like that it's easier to aim but I kind of like knowing that I'm just that good, rather than that I'm being assisted.

[@raphaeljacques9226]

"I don't like the friction" Gets an overkill

[@TAPEWXRM]

the shock rifle is usable on mnk now

[@hens117]

You had the campaign variant of the br at the start of the game

[@VincentvanFlow]

I've always done a lot better with MnK on Infinite than controller. Looks like I need to get back on soon lol

[@spikypikachu1162]

What’s so strange (I know this video is old but I might as well put out my experience even from season 3 or the current updates as of today) is that halo on mnk for some reason seems odd. I feel somehow it’s harder, I’ve adjusted my settings and everything and still not good with sniping for me. Granted the halo infinite sniper rifle does feel weird to me. I’d say it’s good for the assault rifle, BR, somewhat sidekick, pulse carbine, and some others. I do much better with controller on this game, and that’s the same with the other halos. It’s great in campaign! But not in multiplayer for me. Unlike COD, battlefield, and some of the other fps games those games feel GREAT with mnk, but halo it just…doesn’t all the way. That’s my take on it however.

[@ItalianRain2]

I am still against different input systems playing against each other in any competitive game. Should never be forced and always have an option in a main menu to avoid or join. Sure, we had that lame ranked BS, but that's gone now for an obvious reason.

[@tristenwilliams558]

As someone that plays overwatch at a high level i did just fine without the changes in infinite

[@Rescue694]

Just keep the M&KB separate from controller players.

[@W1nger0808]

I don't like the aim assist either, but I just play infinite now to troll controller players.

[@acoustic_sh33p49]

I thought the mouse and keyboard changes were good until I noticed everything I've practiced felt extremely off. When it came to the battlerifle and commando, they felt absolutely terrible conpared to all the recent games I've played. I have no idea why they don't just add.2-.3° bullet magnetism. When I play m&k I expect to be rewarded for my accuracy and not be treated like a child on controller.

[@WanderDMC]

Having the game reward you with shots you didn't hit via bullet magnetism isn't being rewarded for your own skill/accuracy either. It's still the game doing it for you. Obviously it might feel better for you, not arguing that, but saying it's any more or less skill based when the game is still playing itself for you to a degree just seems a tad bit absurd

[@narindersibghdalio2412]

Not gonna lie I would like to see some more warframe videos

[@Keosegner]

I dislike this change a lot, its very unsatisfying direction that this game is taking. As a former 360 Halo player , i loved playing H3 on controller back in the days. But in infinite and other newer Halos i have prefered MNK due to the strong controller Aim assist- levels theyve had. And with this change to MNK, 343 has just further lowered the skill expression and overall competitive integrity of the game. I stopped playing this game due to this issue. BR-duels are very predictable and is merely won on positioning and on which player sees who first, rather than aiming and strafing capabilities being a big enough factor. Fights are inreversable and even sub optimal shots will melt a player, even on long ranges . The result i want to achieve is to have a more healthy gap between the avarage killtime and the perfect killtime, and this change shrinkens that gap even further for MNK. Therefore i had hopes for them to readjust controller Aimassist levels instead. MNK and controller will never be equal, but there are games like Apex Legends , a game that shares a lot shooting values with Halo in my opinion. And a game that even in its esports community has both controller and Mnk players competing against eachother, controller takes practice there and the kill times are a lot more varied. Headshots matters , and isnt just registered by landing another shot to the torso. It hurts my heart to say this, but Halo isnt for me anymore, espcially not after this change either.

[@AgentClappers]

whats your sense?

[@l.a.wright6912]

yeah magnatism was the better rout. Im irritated they did this change as it fucks with my aim

[@Liberates]

They should balance and fix both inputs instead of making something radial like this. Aim assist on Keyboard should go it's overpowered, controller needs it not Keyboard players.

[@mateodavis2467]

U dominate so well😊

[@Mack-parks]

Put this in mcc too

[@Mihubruh]

wich mouse is he using?

[@BBKDRAGOON]

I am using a SteelSeries Rival 600 in this video and still currently using it

[@Mihubruh]

@@BBKDRAGOON Thank you very much

[@BrowniesGoHam]

Some people can’t aim using mnk so let’s give them AA🤣

[@amesomist]

Strong? As in too strong. The real question is: when will we get the option to disable forced crossplay? pc clearly holds all the advantages to console and 343 is not looking to change it back

[@hypnotix9291]

feel like i wanna try but don’t wanna give up controller cuz it’s so nostalgic and shit😭 i play kbm on other shooters but🤷‍♂️

[@stevenspencer5979]

not a fan, I see tons of mnk players running lobbies in high diamond

[@charlie-x5j4u]

Sui

[@bbmonx]

i hate it Let me turn it off 😥

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[@lawrencedanao7648]

Why are they making m&k easier to shoot with . They are already using a mouse to aim ffs. Controller is harder but gets nerfed. Real players play controller.

[@danbanasik2212]

I think it’s screwing up the game. They never should have done it, but then again 343i is known for mistakes so a gaff like this does not surprise me

[@robbiejelsomeno5679]

Care to elaborate on how this screws up the game?

[@danbanasik2212]

@@robbiejelsomeno5679 Not really. M&K kids already won so no point getting into nothing arguments over it in KZbin comment sections

[@robbiejelsomeno5679]

@@danbanasik2212 Fair.

[@chupathingy6472]

I really am not about this change to be honest. Firstly I really am not a huge fan of any sort of “aim assist” on mouse it feels strange to me and it can be a dangerous thing to balance. Also ive been getting back into r6 siege and it feels really weird now going from whatever this system is to another shooter. I think I’ll still stick to controller and I honestly want them to revert this change and try something else. Bullet Magnetism is something they should look at