Hamilton’s shock Belgian GP win and Russell disqualification explained

[@aizuddinfahmi9255]

No wonder Toto didn't have the slightest bit of happiness when George crossed the finished line. He knew one of his engineers fucked up George's car.

[@BenTrem42]

Ahar so it isn't just me who noticed this!

[@Czeslaw_cn4tv]

​​@@BenTrem42yeah my wife noticed it too. I didn't think much of it at the time.

[@flyaway6671]

He was very short with his answers in the post race interview as well

[@TheSlowoldman]

No he was surprised that Russell called the one stop and beat his golden boy...... he was so subdued and Sir Nars O' Sist was sour as could be in the cool down room.

[@vycanismelodis]

If he knew why didn't he say or do anything about it

[@rafaelm3523]

Toto had a straight face when GR crossed the finished line. I think he already knew it but didn't want to spoil the moment for GR. that was so unfortunate

[@coreytrevor3910]

Yeah he knew. I mean they have 100's of people monitoring the car all race, every little detail is measured. The plan was to get the car weighed WITH fuel still in it but that back fired. IMO the whole MERC team should be DQ'd just for that.

[@Peanutdenver]

Another tough day for Osama Bin Russell....you're right, they absolutely knew. FIA usually pulls the top cars for inspection, dont know how Toto thought they'd get away with it.

[@GrrMeister]

*Bag of Sugar !*

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

@@coreytrevor3910 eh? FIA weigh the car empty.

[@MDE_never_dies]

@@coreytrevor3910 I do seem to recall Merc fans calling Redbull "Cheatbull" how the turn tables.

[@MrSpeedyAce]

Toto definitely kicked someone’s ass after the race

[@bosco_bosco]

No blame culture

[@yugarten8523]

they knew ! just watch his dead reaction after the 1-2.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Toto knew!

[@MrSpeedyAce]

@@BobbyDazzler888 Yeah but makes no sense that he knew before the race started. P1/P2 finish is gold for Mercedes.

[@rickeyharris178]

I doubt it Toto was complicit in this sabotage! Louis Hamilton asked for the one stop and they gave it to George Russell instead

[@jonathankfouri3431]

1.5kg is WILD. Thats a lot of weight by F1 standards honestly

[@patrickdaly5988]

Bizarre lack of attention to detail by Mercedes. Would they have assumed they could gain that by picking up rubber at the end?

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

Toto wanted to sneak this by the FIA. I think he wanted to set this up for Lewis. Didn’t expect George to capitalize on the strategy.

[@areyukittingme]

In Belgium because the track is so long, they just turn straight into the pit exit so there really isnt an oppportunity to do so

[@grospipo20]

I am seriously starting to think that Russell did not lift and coast enough especially since he did not have the 2nd pit stop

[@SydGhosh]

@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT Absurd. A 1-2 would put them in for the constructors.

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

@@ramborigs missed the point of my comment. Toto wanted Lewis to be embarrassed, not George. If it was Lewis on the 1 followed by George he’d have been satisfied. He hates Hammo leaving and wants him to hurt. Thanks for the personal attack though.

[@thewatermelons9614]

I’m not sure what Scott has against Piastri, he made up 3 places and says a near miss but Norris dropped multiple places but doesn’t mention how that’s going effect his championship charge

[@AKK5I]

He's not british

[@ciumaw.8450]

Totally, Oscar quietly getting the job done

[@lovelehstuff]

Because he threw away 2 seconds in the pit lane

[@Mechanical-Animal]

Hamilton was upset because his team didn't tell him that George wasn't pitting and he was way back told to be racing Piastri and Leclerc.

[@KitchenPlatform]

Exactly, otherwise he would have caught up with George much much earlier. He was just managing his tyres.

[@deannelson9565]

You think so do you....... I'm not sure if you paid any attention to Toto at the end of the race his lack of expression tells me that both cars probably highly out of spec!

[@MarcoDantes]

lewis was uppset the world would see he cannot beat rusell

[@daarom3472]

​@@KitchenPlatformhe was literally told he was free to push. He also knew from his earlier stints that the tires would easily last.

[@ryanking4566]

​@@daarom3472He was never told that George was on a one stopper. He had no reason to push harder when he was comfortable controlling the pace upfront

[@legoferrari14]

Some other notes here: Robert Kubica at the Hungaroring in 2006 was the last driver who had been disqualified via an underweight chassis, so this was quite a serious blunder. As to why an underweight car matters, not only does the weight difference mean that he would gain time over his opposition, it would've also meant the amount of wear on the tyres would be reduced, which might've contributed to Russell's one-stopper working out so well to finish 1st on the road.

[@1zanglang]

Can you calculate, in SPA laps, how many laps did the 1.5 kilos lighter car gained, in terms of tires wear? In other words, do you really think that 1.5 kilos less made the difference between one stop and two stops, for tires change? In reality, it didn't made much difference, George did win by himself. That 1.5 kilos came from a wrong fuel quantity calculations, or from a slightly high consumption. As many said, some engineers made a mistake. But rules are rules, and he was disqualified.

[@rvfharrier]

@@1zanglang The fuel isn't a factor, the cars are supposed to be fully drained of fuel before being weighed. The car itself was 1.5kg too light, and yes it will have made a difference. 1kg is often cited to equate to roughly a tenth of a second per lap, so George will have been unfairly gaining time since the very start of the race and the lighter car will definitely have reduced his tyre wear and contributed to his ability to manage the tyres as long as he did. If his car was legal, his tyre wear would have been higher and he'd have lost about 4 seconds (more once you factor in his higher tyre wear) over the course of the race, meaning Lewis and probably Oscar as well would have most likely passed him.

[@reltihfloda7419]

Yeah is making different Why do you think so many teams dont have paints

[@mascot4950]

@@1zanglang The car weight limit is without fuel. I checked the regulation and the FIA document. A minimum of 1 liter must remain in the tank for testing, the document states this regulation was fulfilled as 2.8 liters were drained. The car was then weighed again, fuel fully drained. That's the weight that matters, and it means the car was underweight for the whole race as it had lost no parts due to damage. As for how much of a difference it would have made, I don't think anyone can claim to genuinely know. Personally, I'm in the "seems really unlikely to have mattered" camp. It would have made miniscule difference to lap time and tire wear. The margins were not that thin from what I remember. The tires were still holding on fine, plenty of traction and the car did not look slippery, so it seems unlikely that carrying that extra weight would have pushed them off the cliff. But there's no getting away from the fact it would have had _some_ effect, and rules are rules.

[@ziwer1]

@@1zanglang Are u a new F1 fan? F1 is well know for how small seemingly insignificant details make a huge difference.

[@justinm.1]

That probably explains the 2 things I was thinking about: 1) Toto had a deadpan expression after Russell crossed the finish line 2) How Russell managed to keep Hamilton behind...I guess he was using more fuel to do just that, as well as having a lighter car, otherwise Hamilton would've got past him a lot sooner & easily

[@Moray2023]

I'd assume Russell's total weight of Driver / car was still heavier than Hamilton's considering the weight difference in the driver's.

[@liveandletdie138]

@@Moray2023 minimum weight includes the driver

[@keethaking8520]

​@@Moray2023 stop assuming

[@Moray2023]

@@liveandletdie138 Russell is definitely over 80kg though

[@GeedUPfromtheFEADup]

Does 1.5kg really have that much of an impact when they weigh 1 tonne anyway?

[@yammt3148]

Damn... That explains why Toto was stone-faced when George crossed the line.

[@betterchapter]

George - “We couldn’t even of dreamt of a 1-2 this morning” FIA - “Wasn’t part of the script mate”

[@ELSTERLING]

One of the funnier things about the Red Bull result is that Perez being up the field for once meant he constantly slowed Verstappen by providing DRS to Verstappen's rivals.

[@Coconutscott]

That is brutal for George, but thems the rules...

[@rh906]

Losers will be losers.

[@paulieshnbi]

Toto’s facial expressions and reaction to George Russell crossing the line and supposedly "winning" the Belgian GP was a tell tale sign that Toto knew that win was illegal

[@Slinky511nx7]

I like this new narrator on the channel. Not too loud, doesn't take gasping breaths every 5 seconds, cool calm speaking. Nice.

[@NicotineRosberg]

If u told me in Bahrain that Mercedes would be serial winners again I wouldn't have believed you

[@bigbaus7437]

true, didnt look like race winners the whole weekend either but they turned the car around overnight

[@peterbalazs516]

Merc is doing this year, what McLaren was doing last year.

[@Funkybassuk]

I’m a huge Lewis fan. I also would never have believed you. I still don’t really believe it!

[@espvp]

I’d say not only in Bahrain but 5 races in after China, Mercedes looked pretty bleak (aside from maybe Hamilton’s P2 on that sprint). No one would’ve believed that Mercedes was going to be winning multiple races after just 5 grand prix

[@Aaron-is9xo]

No ones gonna mention how the team told the FIA that they drained the fuel when in fact that had not.

[@JosephRossRoss]

I know right? It seems they F1 wants Lewis gone but he moves the needle. I can't wait for 2025, wither he wins or not. Mec doesn't deserve him.

[@erdemeebilgee3584]

@@JosephRossRoss Merc wanted him. he didn't why tf you talking like he was dropped.

[@Adam-vx6to]

@@JosephRossRoss This isn't reality. You have made this narrative up in your head.

[@Alumnikiid]

@@erdemeebilgee3584Mercedes did NOT offer Lewis a 3 year contract like Ferrari did.

[@coreytrevor3910]

@@Alumnikiid would you? George was doing better then Lewis for all of 22 and 23. Merc's new #1 driver is George and has been. Keeping Lewis on for however long he wants to keep racing hurts the team overall.

[@pachhendrix5063]

Summer break be like: Hey Toto, It's Max...

[@adamdavis4928]

Max will be stuck with rb unless he wants to be on a midfield team. McLaren and Ferrari are locked up, and Merc seems set on bringing in Antonelli as he's shown great potential in f2 lately and I highly doubt they remove George and make Max Antonelli's teammate when Max will fuck with his development as a young driver.

[@Artemesis]

​@@adamdavis4928Toto said that kimi antonelli is for now decided, but BUT if Verstappen wanted to move to Mercedes he will have a seat for him(aka antonelli's one) and that is until the start of next season. He said that multiple times, and when he said that at the start of the season everyone laughed, but race after race it is becoming more and more possible 😃 We can only wait and see. I also don't really like the idea of Kimi in a F1 when he is struggling to be a midfield driver at best in F2. He needs more time, but I guess we the normal fans don't know everything.

[@kenzabel5394]

I wonder if max would accept to be in a team that doesn't have a number 1 and number 2 driver and would he be OK if russell and the team made different strategies and he didn't even know 😂

[@SchweinerSchinkler]

@@Artemesis kimi is doing fine. Bearman is terrible in F2 but he’s shown that he’s capable in F1

[@KLM--vm3mp]

It seems like people don’t realise how being 1.5 KG less than everybody significantly affects the overall performance of the car. Seeing comments here and there saying that the FIA makes a big deal out of this and it is unfair.. Just to clarify, this amount of weight removed makes the car about 0,15 to 0,20 seconds quicker than everyone else’s pace per lap. That translates roughly being 6-7 seconds faster due to less weight in 44 laps. If you add those seconds on Russell’s race, he would be in 4th or 5th place at the end, which would make a lot more sense with that bold strategy move. Tsunoda and Magnussen also followed a one stop strategy but their outcome was nowhere near as successful as Russell’s race. So yeah the DNF is absolutely justified. F1 has very small margins, and not being disqualified would be borderline unfair for the rest of the grid.

[@richardthomson4693]

remember DR got disqualified for fuel flow being over the max for point of a second, the rules are rules if you are over you are out

[@susanwearn2617]

Inmy oppinion if its 1 oz or 20 lb it shouldn't be light and the amount he was under is unforgivable.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

That's right, it may not seem much, but it accumulates. Even if it was 0.5 kg, it's still a disqualification, rules are rules, what's with this unfair nonsense.

[@olirc]

Well yeah, but since the loss of weight is being attributed to the loss of rubber from his tyres, he will only have been underweight from the point of around when his second pitstop would have been, so only a third of the race. Still shouldn't have won, and still should have been DQ'd, but let's not get carried away.

[@PPedroFernandes]

What the hell are you talking about... The accepted rule of thumb is 0.3 seconds per 10kg. Meaning 1.5kg gains him about 0.045 seconds per lap, meaning 1.98 seconds over the race. Rules are rules, but let's be realistic here

[@rezaulkarim7703]

I have a feeling Russel was able to hold Lewis at bay till the end on a older tire is due to the car being significantly underweight. Lewis once said he would lose 2 second over a race distance with just 1KG added weight. Clearly Russel got help in that regard.

[@jossym]

Finding it odd that so many are proclaiming Russell's race as some kind of 'mega drive' - he was absolutely nowhere for 2/3's of it and had nothing to lose by gambling on a 1 stop and throwing a double 6. And every driver on the grid has remarked that the tyres didn't degrade anywhere near what everyone expected them to which makes a mockery of suddenly anointing him as the 'tyre whisperer'. Not to mention he was driving a car a couple of kg's underweight which is a huge advantage around a circuit like Spa where you're on full throttle for 70% of the lap. It turned out track position was key and he was handed it in strategy to the detriment of his team mate who had earned it on merit.

[@kmbn1967]

Finally,A sensible comment

[@bilinguiyveganpingui]

This. And the only thing George whispers to the tyres is "I'm going to cook you"

[@ciumaw.8450]

I think clean air played a lot as well, had he one-stopped but been behind other cars, it may have turned out differently

[@NWA_1919]

Mega drive or not, still beat the rest of the grid.🤷🏻‍♂️ No matter what excuses people make, a win means you are fastest to the flag. Too bad his team let him down with the equipment, same as silverstone.

[@gauravmalltarlok5354]

@@NWA_1919 Unfortunately that statement holds no value now though, cus there's no way to tell whether his mega drive was due to skill or him being underweight.

[@freakysquirrel7218]

Considering 1.5 kg roughly equals 0.15 seconds of lap time, it doesn't surprise me that much that George was able to hold off Lewis. Still sad, he did a good job preserving the tires.

[@jurakerleha]

George was running lower downforce setup than Lewis and George had higher top speeds on straights than Lewis (7kph)

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

1?.5 kilos is 0.03 over one lap, as 10 kilos is worth 3 tenths.

[@jurakerleha]

@@quentinhirschfeld9382 What Lewis said it's something like 3 seconds for whole duration of the race, it's still gain

[@TheSlowoldman]

The car was not 1.5 kg lighter the whole race, it was tire deg...... Russell won this race and it was gifted to Hamilton. He held him off with 36 lap old tires.....

[@truecrimejungle]

@@TheSlowoldman how does that even make sense? No one one stopped because it was a dumb strategy - russel didn't do anything impressive at all. The logic here is baffling. Hamilton beat a redbull and a ferrari - russell did absolutely nothing but save on a stop and drive light.

[@teebzs]

Love how we kept out the fact that the 1stop was the optional plan for lewis and the prefered one for him but even when he said that his tires were still good, he never even got the option

[@surjitdhamu9280]

I am not a fan of Russell but I feel for him after a great drive then this happens.. Take heart George you were great out there. 👍👍🙏

[@felixengel4442]

I don't know why everyone says, OMG Russell was so good, guys he was underweight the whole race and 1,5KG is like 2-2,5 sec over the whole race distance, he also had an advantage on the straits, I think if he was on normal weight Hamilton and Piastri would have catched him, of course incredible tier managed but we have to acknowledge the little bit of help he had.

[@GameOver-nm2us]

Nope, mediocre tyre management, he had clear air, lighter car also meant it was better on the tyres, and tyres didn't degrade half as much as everyone expected so in that case he did just fine

[@johncnorris]

How much does tire pickup weigh? : The F1 community needs to know!

[@THErangerTHE]

Even if it was the reason, mercedes knew this from the beginning of the race so they should have anticipated it.

[@liammcgrath6184]

Im pretty sure all the drivers came straight into the pit lane and didn’t do a parade lap or cool down lap, so they couldn’t get pick up from the marbles to add weight to the car especially since hamilton and piastri were right on the back of him

[@j.3o21]

That's why they left 2.5 liters in, hoping he wouldn't be one of the 3 cars that get picked for random checks.

[@j.3o21]

We do need that knowledge though

[@SalMichaelC]

400-500 gr x tire

[@wesamal6302]

First race live for me as LH fan, he drove brilliantly. Couldn't be happier for the result but sad for GR

[@richieduck67]

The up eyebrow from Toto said it all

[@mkgunnells2987]

Someone forgot that the cars don't do a cool down lap after this race but rather go directly back up the pit lane. No chance to pick up rubber.

[@Cataclysm1]

You think they'd be able to pick up 1.5kg?

[@MrCeegeezy]

​@@Cataclysm1Spa is pretty long so potentially he could've picked up 2kg or more. Unfortunately because it's so long they go straight to pits instead of the cool down lap.

[@PyleHD]

Aren't they weighted without tyres?

[@xeicv]

​@@Cataclysm1 This chad @mkgunnells2987 doesn't have a clue of what he's writing about. He just saw the same comment written somewhere else and came here to paste it.

[@SideStreetLeather]

@@PyleHD They are weighed with dry-weather tires. If they aren't fitted with a dry-weather tire, the FIA selects a pair to be installed and then weigh the car. Based on this, IF they already have dry-weather tires, they won't replace them and the added weight from the rubber pickup would be included.

[@grahamtait8031]

Hamilton's win isn't a shock - another few laps and the race was his. What is a shock is Mercedes making such a basic weight error.

[@timkasansky2528]

they said it was because of the rain they could not run with the hard tyres. Just like they said because of the Sprint race in COTA they could not antecipate how bumpy the track was. They have been making plenty of dumb mistakes here and there for years.

[@joshuathurgood6120]

Couple more laps and it would been Oscar's

[@vikashchandra9917]

@@joshuathurgood6120 not if Hamilton went past Russell

[@Vettel_Ronaldo]

@@joshuathurgood6120 how in the world do you think he would pass hamilton couldn't pass while being way faster

[@alias19]

If we’re going to pretend, let’s give Piastri two seconds back for his pit braking error. He would have caught Hamilton for second and advanced to the top step.

[@sanderdeboer6034]

The fact Leclerc ended up third shows Spa was basically transformed into a Monaco style circuit in terms of lack of overtaking. Great work FIA!

[@ThePancaked1]

It was pretty odd how hard it was for drivers to overtake on kemmel with a 0.5s gap, that should be super easy with DRS

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

​@@ThePancaked1it was commented elsewhere that the drs zone had been shortened to reduce the drs effect.

[@espvp]

It would’ve been funny if Piastri had managed to pass Hamilton on the last few laps and therefore inherited the win after the DQ. It would’ve made a back-to-back underwhelming first two GP wins.

[@suhdud4646]

Eng: The car is going to be underweight... Toto face: hold my 1.5kg bag of tricks, Its only a problem if we get caught!

[@paularnold2124]

😂😂this is it

[@barbouradam]

This seems to be the only informative and honest F1 page, most of the others I click on are just click-bait

[@curiousguy9884]

I disagree that Piastri could have won the race. Hamilton had 8 tenths delta and could not get past Russel. Piastri had similar pace to Hamilton, maybe a tenth faster. It seems inconceivable that with kind of delta over Hamilton, he could have actually overtaken him to win.

[@johnayomide4793]

You sound like you didn't even see the race. Norris has more delta than max but still couldn't pass . Spa is the new Monaco.

[@halofreak1990]

@@johnayomide4793 and Max had a similar delta on Leclerc, but couldn't pass him, either. I wonder what things would've been like had the FIA not shortened the DRS zone by 75m for this year's race

[@johnayomide4793]

@@halofreak1990 Exactly people be thinking it's all you can overtake buffet. No it not. Spa was suppose to be the easiest track to overtake has it's being in the past but it kinda like Monza now. Lewis should be gaining 2tenth on Russell slipstream up raddion and with Drs 7tenth on kemmel straight for an overtake... But it's not so ,it was like the slipstream plus Drs isn't working at all.

[@WhiteG60]

Piastri said himself that the dirty air was a HUGE hinderance. More than they expected here.

[@officialezzy6801]

Poor George, he did such an amazing job.

[@Labgorilla]

Toto was not ecstatic after russel crossed the line. It’s as if he knew something was very wrong. Another W for Hamilton. Bang.

[@whassupg89]

This was a great race. Shame there had to be some post race nonsense to overshadow it.

[@MykeBinaryMan]

I'm so sad for George, he was so happy when he crossed the line and the Mercedes being top 2

[@susanwearn2617]

But he cheated.

[@pranavsharma4494]

I can’t believe the Drama in this season ! 🔥

[@giannisupereroe2189]

Just imagine if Ferrari made this mistake, where are the memes? Where is people telling Mercedes is just an afterimage of its legacy? I’ll wait

[@Alfredortube]

He wasn't just a couple of kg below the other cars, he was a couple of kg below the hard minimum. Add the weight ABOVE the minumum that all the other cars were running and that would be George's true advantage. It's disingenuous to say "but I was just a couple of kgs under"

[@alwayscptsensible]

Surely the teams do their absolute best to get a close to the hard minimum as possible and given we are talking about some the best engineers in the world, then one can assume they get very very close.

[@TheInsaiyan]

The hard Minimum is the minimum. No one wants to be even a gram above it.

[@roblucchetti2993]

Other cars weights don't factor in. Even if he came in at weight, some cars would still be heavier (some still lighter). It based on teh car's parameters, not a line in the sand for the whole paddock.

[@infinity2x0]

Who else noticed that Scrutineering official standing behind Toto in one of the Mercedes garage panning shots during the TV coverage? I had a suspicion then that something might be up with one of the Mercs. Shame since George did so well. Gutted for him.

[@rotrohan]

George didn’t do well at all. lol. Was zero to start with and ended with 0 points driving illegally. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@1greenMitsi]

yeah he was there in qualy too

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

They are always around

[@BabyJesus440]

He wasnt driving illigally. The change of strategy mid race gave him the top finish but also shaved his tires too much. I remember a while ago that tires can lose up to 2kg of rubber each on a long stint​@@rotrohan

[@jianh1989]

i did. It was a white guy who looks like in his mid twenties. I could be wrong though, he was shown on TV for about 1.5s in the background. I was wondering why a scrutineering personnel would be standing in that position next to Toto, which isn't normal. Toto is normally surrounded by other Merc staff, or Mick Schumacher.

[@atn_holdings]

"Simplify, then add lightness" - Colin Chapman

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Then get disqualified - FIA 😅

[@prestonhartlief]

George earned that dq😂🎉.

[@crusherbmx]

It sucks for things to be decided this way, but based on how close Hamilton was at the end, it's possible that the 5 lbs diffrence in weight actually made a difference, I don't know...maybe...

[@NecmiyeMuhammed]

the explanations on 4ra are so clear. even newbies can start easily now.

[@k1ngduggerz802]

Lewis had pace because he's Lewis. George however was underweight so of course he was fast.

[@johnfpv6989]

You have no idea what your are watching...

[@jasonkirubakaran]

George was faster in the straights because he has a lighter skinny wing set up and Hamilton has more balanced > downforce focused set-up... This made Lewis faster in corners and George in the straights... 2 kgs of lesser load will make a difference but just that will not be this drastic..

[@SedaSeyfi-j7y]

4RA with Aaron Finch is incredible IPL and 4rabet together is perfect

[@Ariespradana13]

That's why Russell's car so weird 😅

[@billygoat520]

No, J.D. Vance is weird, Russel's car was under weight. Wolf certainly knew but why did he allow the car to race that way?

[@elonwong]

@@billygoat520the pr it gets before the downfall. I would have done that too. Even if they do, Toto can’t realistically stop russel from racing Hamilton, apart from telling the truth thru the radio. Which brings another set of problems

[@jstoli996c4s]

Weird??

[@A.Northernlights]

1.5 kgs is a lot for a formula1 car..quicker in the corners ...

[@phenix4195]

@@billygoat520🤦

[@rahulkumarrajput1049]

Can anyone please confirm - often in final races the winner/world champion celebrates by pulling off car donuts and burnouts. Wouldn’t doing so seriously risk disqualification if it means the tires rapidly wear out and the car may therefore come in underweight?

[@erdemeebilgee3584]

I don't even like gorj that much but seeing him lose 2 race wins in the same season for things he hasn't done wrong is gut-wrenching. The man lost his first win just like this too. Feel bad for jorg. Edit: the 2nd win was Silverstone where he put it on pole and was faster than Ham before his car died.

[@lachmack8967]

gorj and jorg? Is that Klingon for George?

[@grospipo20]

He did something wrong otherwise he would not have been disqualified.

[@kemunto_]

​@lachmack8967 😂😂

[@benl1799]

What's the 2nd win he lost?

[@jadenbroomes4425]

2?

[@robbiecrawford9325]

Three tires on the ground in a hard corner is way too much grip

[@jshumphress13]

If Verstappen started on pole, does anyone really question if he would have won? He moved from 11th to 4th. Perez went from 2nd and 7th. The DRS train killed his chance, but I didn’t think he really had a shot from 11th. He made it up to 8th pretty quickly, which gave me hope (but again DRS train). Hardly had clean air the entire race.

[@littletweeter1327]

I think he could’ve had a slight chance if Perez didn’t give George a tow and then hold max back instead of letting max challenge George on fresh tires.

[@thepinktreeclub]

if my mom had balls she would have been my dad.

[@rahrah5484]

No max would have run away with the win easily

[@thepinktreeclub]

@@jshumphress13 if if if

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

As McLaren continued their great form of pretty poor tactical decision making which would help, maybe. But it does seem like both Mercades and McLaren had faster cars on the Sunday - so it would be a challenge to keep all 4 of them behind though the pitstops - I would think Vestappen would be undercut by one or more of them or be at a severe tyre disadvantage at some point. Though as RB tend to get the tactics right and Perez was for once not starting so far behind as to be tactically of no great use, so its certainly possible he could have.

[@Sambysaurus]

Clean air was king as Oscar put it. Those who managed to lead found a lot of extra pace, and considering Mercedes were the one’s who led the most, it’s no wonder they scored a short lived 1-2.

[@rotrohan]

Perez was pitted too early and his race was gone.

[@Deltic07]

There's also the fact that he's not a good enough driver.

[@Yavuzilyas]

Finch brings a lot of excitement to 4ra events, I'm loving it all

[@ToWhom]

Why do we need so many different people narrating this. Feels like a clip show rather than a cohesive video

[@soundscape26]

A guy in the studio and Scott at the track... not the first time they do this.

[@sicmic]

How any team, let along one as experienced and successful as Mercedes can make such a fundamental error is baffling.

[@zootyboii6820]

Sorry but I had a bet on GR. As soon as they started talking about him being under weight I cashed out and got my money 😎

[@xynged]

Qualified P6 P3 = ez GR63

[@allena3430]

same here. Soon as the payout came, i withdrew and gtfo. Mine came before any of the investigations however

[@ajfreshkid]

Wait so what happens to other people in this situation that maybe didn't cash out? And the guys that lost money? Do they gain now? Lol genuinely curious 😅

[@Yjgorr]

QR​@@ajfreshkid

[@ahclipse]

Lol wild. I had Hamilton and was pissed. Just found out about this now. Cheers mate 🍻

[@daniellillis3997]

Why don't they weigh the vehicles BEFORE the race with an empty tank? This would eliminate the shock/surprise when they weigh the vehicle AFTER the race when fluids are drained. Also, are tires included in the weight? Because if they are included, then the degraded tires could have weighed less compared to if he had pitted a 2nd time.

[@MrSchwabentier]

tsres are included and it's probably the reason George was DSQ. That's also the reason for the famous "make sure you pick up some rubber" radios after the race

[@BenTrem42]

RFE: State more clearly and earlier DQ because of *_under required weight!!!_*

[@TravellingTechie]

Everyone's talking about Russell's 'tyre whisperer' status but haven't put 2+2 together that he was 1.5kg underweight, hence the improved wear. If he had been at the correct weight there's no way he'd have only taken one stop and therefore won that race.

[@rccartips]

I believe minimum weight rule is without tires and fuel. Tire marble pickup would be irrelevant.

[@julianpearson4908]

Includes tires.

[@WarayF1]

There are no cooldown laps in Spa since like forever, so tire marbles is irrelevant.

[@ciumaw.8450]

Which begs the question, what were Merc thinking?

[@TinaDaniel-v1o]

This commentator should voice all your videos, so charismatic :) 10/10 voiceover

[@lightningmcqueen181]

No tyre rubber pick up because they immediately went into the pits! Usually they drive around and pick up rubber after the race to make weight

[@squirtle4519]

Is it FIA doesn't allow? Or just GR forget to do so?

[@notadegen69]

​@@squirtle4519Spa too long circuit so they box directly after finish

[@LordSaliss]

Thats actually an interesting theory. lol. 1.5kg is only 3.3lbs, and I could see that much and more being picked up in rubber chunks easily from what I have seen on tires normally.

[@drfredostein4410]

At spa they don’t do that because the lap is so long, they just drive around la source and go right into the pitlane from the exit

[@j.s3300]

And the others cars?

[@DavidusMaximus654]

That tyre management can only be predicted if one plays racing sims in their spare time 😂

[@user-bp9ls2pf6n]

The lie hear is that Russell came up with the idea of a one stop. They just wanted Russell to take responsibility for the decision and it was their idea to wash down Lewis's efforts

[@MerveEngin-y6o]

Every event on 4ra is brighter and better with Finch He adds so much energy

[@Terrencetulani]

Lando “you had a fast car 7 years ago” Norris was in the race today ? Didn’t see him today. Did you guys see that mean girl ?

[@jurakerleha]

Oscar outshined Lando, Lando Norris never will be WDC, I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar will be WDC before Norris

[@gouravghosh588]

It's good that he is learning his lesson in the most brutal and humiliating way. Deserves it for his arrogance. He needs to realise that the car may be fastest, but the driver needs to have the skill to extract everything from the car, which he doesn't seem to have.

[@nickporter574]

Yea that was such an incredibly dick thing to stay for so many reasons.

[@jaydee1064]

Nando Lorris was a chicken to challenge Maxipad today

[@Phat-rj3jo]

@@gouravghosh588yeah, like the post above, maybe Oscar will be WDC before Lando.

[@UgurTaylan-u9c]

love how 4ra connects us with cricket stars, feels so authentic! it's like being part of the team.

[@davemis40]

1.5. Kgs is a significant weight on an F1 car … what was missing from the car vs Hamilton’s car ?

[@erdemeebilgee3584]

The man did 3/4 of the goddamn race on one set ofcource they are gonna weight less than a set that only did 1/3

[@joeterzio7175]

It's 3 pounds. You think that's significant?

[@joefantastic4991]

@@joeterzio71750.03 seconds per lap.Even if its just last 10 laps offset it would be 0.2-0.3 seconds off the pace meaning that would have made a whole lot of difference.

[@camf7522]

@@joeterzio7175in F1 it is significant.

[@quiethusky]

Probably additional dead weight that teams are allowed to add to deal with differences in drivers' weights. I'm guessing that they screwed something up in either weighing Russell himself or putting the extra 1.5 kg.

[@JustForMemes-fq5we]

The videos are soo smooth and crisp

[@atn_holdings]

I immediately remembered when Hamilton was DQ'd out of 2nd place at Austin in 2023. what's going on!

[@NumbMonkE]

Who would have thought that Russle would lose 1.5 kilos of tyre with that strategy.

[@Jihane996]

It is not the first time Russell team makes sure he does not win a race

[@reisanibal1]

Shortened DRS zone made track position king. That was a huge factor for the race.

[@othmanesalahddine9575]

From the way Russel car was exiting from chicane and La source with 30 laps old tires it was clear that something fishy was up with that car , it's simply not possible to have such a gap in performance when only accounting the drivers skills.

[@MiskyWisky]

1.5kg of weight is maybe worth a tenth over a lap at Spa, I doubt it was the only thing making the difference. The hards were a lot better than anyone expected

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

1.5 kilos is worth 0.03 seconds over an entire race lap. For sure, it had his influence over the race, but it's not what made Russell exit the corners so quickly.

[@WayStedYou]

1.5 kg is almost nothing over the weight of an 800kg car its only 0.1875 % of the total weight

[@othmanesalahddine9575]

@WayStedYou Your right but over the course of a whole race that give you something like 2sec. Hamilton lost the race by 0.5 sec...

[@eclectichighway3101]

Mazraoui has played left back and centre back so offers cover in at least 3 positions. Think he even played left wing at one stage for Ajax.

[@CharlesBordy]

I mean, again, by the time Lewis was called in for a second stop, they knew the one stop would work, and could have had Lewis stay out too. My guy even said the tires were fine literally one lap before he was called into the pits to respond to LeClerc, who hasn't been a real threat since Monaco, so yeah, it feels like Mercedes got in his way to give George a shot. You've also got so many people working on these cars, so it's hard to see how they didn't know it'd be underweight. This all just kinda reeks of dirty business at Mercedes.

[@ravinderdasila9334]

No, merc did not believe that 1stop was better.. even w 10laps remaining, they asked george if he is sure about the 1 stop,, and george did this strategy only because he had nothing to lose, he was anyways expecting to finish around p5.. this was not some Stroke of genius that everyone is thinking.. basically the track fooled everyone and those who put bet on clean air rather than undercutting their opponents, were the beneficiaries..

[@pooyakhalili406]

Merc didn't believe one stop was possible they kept asking George about the tires, and he insisted that they were okay and the one stop is possible

[@johnhopkins7614]

Due to laps cover on the same set, combined tyre weight (at the end) was no doubt less than would have be expected/calculated.

[@donbrashsux]

Was that Checos last effort at resurgence 😢

[@florisbackx1744]

One of the things this GP showed us is that having a large group of cars close in racepace doesn't always mean exciting racing. The like the lack of overspeed left all drivers stuck in position, I even doubt if Piastri would have been able to pass Lewis if he'd had two more laps.

[@HowardEllis-xt9bi]

This race makes you wonder what other tricks Mercedes has been up to the past two years thats affected Hamilton's results.😡

[@weevilsnitz]

Here's my question, because something similar came up last year with disqualification (McLaren fan here, I'll take the extra points this weekend) - do they inspect every car after every race to the same specs? You shouldn't only weigh the podiums because each point matters, and if an inspection is going to result in a disqualification they need to inspect every car in the same way after every race so it's consistent.

[@CountDrac634]

Not shocked Lewis was the real winner based on pace and his overtakes. George inherited a win he didn’t earn

[@TubaMert-qx8ei]

the betting tips on 4ra are incredible. it's like having insider knowledge from experts.

[@leegg2033]

YOU GOT CAUGHT MERCEDES! Mistake, really?

[@rickysutanto9720]

is tire degradation a possible further weight reduction?

[@TurboPumperX]

Plank wear and no marble pickup?

[@sissyspaceship]

1.5kg of fuel

[@liammcgrath6184]

Im pretty sure 90% of the drivers came straight into the pitlane and didn’t even do a cool down lap

[@evanburt2766]

@@liammcgrath6184I don’t think they do a cool down lap at spa because it’s so long. That’s why you see the drivers going through the pit lane in reverse

[@liammcgrath6184]

@@evanburt2766 yeah i’ve seen a few comments saying he didn’t pick up rubber or debris to add weight but in all fairness no driver did so its just a mistake on Russell for not lifting and coasting and mercedes for not telling him too

[@ausboof]

The reaction is bizarre. It's Paris, that's nothing!

[@j.3o21]

Hamilton deserved the win, still heart breaking for George though.

[@erdemeebilgee3584]

Hell nah wtf. Nobody deserves a win in F1. George did 3/4 of the race on one set of tyres he easily did the most heroic drive. 1.5kg adds up to 0.03 sec per lap why mfs thing he had like a second of pace on ham because of it.

[@deshonharris4414]

@@erdemeebilgee3584you think 5 pounds would only give you 0.03 advantage is insane Lewis was faster all race

[@sibiyu67]

for me it was clear that mercedes lean toward russel at all cost, for me as lewis fan, its ok and its understanable as long they are not messing with lewis car setup or anything like that,, but it will be better if toto sit on the table with lewis and say to lewis that from now on george is their favorable driver.. but i dont think toto would have any courage to say that to lewis,,

[@susanwearn2617]

Pleased I'm not the only one who thinks gr is favourite over lewis👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@alotl1kevegas860]

Hamilton has got to be sick he's leaving Mercedes as they move up the grid, while Ferrari is going backwards.

[@thetraveldrunk]

Perhaps he just wants to drive for a team like Ferrari before he retires. Don’t overthink it.

[@Vic6]

Who got pole again? 🐴

[@1XAli]

He left mclaren when they were competing for wins while Mercedes was 5th in the championship, I don't think he had much of choice when choosing to stay or leave.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

Yes, but to be fair he made the choice without knowing much. And on the first races his decision looked bang on. So kudos to him for not waiting to see who was better, he just did it and that's it.

[@Alumnikiid]

When will people realize Mercedes didn’t offer Lewis a long term contract like Ferrari.

[@obione51499]

I watched the race the day after and this absolutely blew my mind

[@andrewmelton2686]

Merc tried to sabotage lewis again, didn't even tell lewis he was racing george and denied him the 1 stop strategy. Karma

[@aleksavijatovic8834]

@andrewmelton2686 No they didn’t, its LH’s fault, he couldn’t overtake Russell with fresher tires, it shows that he is overrated

[@andrewmelton2686]

​@aleksavijatovic8834 you have 0 wheel knowledge

[@ramjam-zv7mi]

​@@aleksavijatovic8834numbers speak for themselves, hamilton is one of the greatests, whether you like it or not

[@aleksavijatovic8834]

@@andrewmelton2686 Mate, if Hamilton is that good, why he couldn’t beat Russell? He is a 7X WC and he can’t beat a guy who is not a WC material

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Russell chose to stay out. How’s that Mercedes sabotaging Lewis? GB, Hungary, Belgium - Russell got massively screwed over by the team. And Lewis is apparently being sabotaged 🤡

[@dohyawatchin2598]

They add and remove weight to the wheels. If they had done another stop. It would not have been a problem.

[@Ninanotlina]

Gutted for George but still happy for Hamilton. At the latter’s post race interview, he looked like he had been robbed of the top podium win. Looking forward to the next race. 🎉

[@SerhatFatih-pr9zv]

Even when we lose on 4ra, Finch makes it fun and we keep trying again

[@nestorlarez336]

Suspicious on lap 44 when Hamilton, who is on tires 16 laps newer than Russell, asks on the radio: "How fast should I be? Can I attack Russell or not?" And the team responds: "Come closer, just come closer"... Phew, they can't find a way to put Russell ahead of Hamilton. Lewis visibly upset. He was clearly able to overtake Russell but never attacked him, he just stayed behind in the DRS zone, losing time and Piastri almost took the position away from him.

[@getlikemezraw]

He was talking about piastri

[@shaxxs]

The full radio message was Lewis asking Bono about Piastri which at the time was battling Leclerc, and was predicted to come close to Lewis at the end

[@pooyakhalili406]

He was talking about Piastri. God you Hamilton fans are blind