Hammaborg - Longsword Techniques (Pt. 2/8): Peter Falkner Manuscript

[@DierkHagedorn]

Thanks for taking the time to answer in my place. Much appreciated.

[@bensanders4033]

Thank you again for these words. I am working on trying to transliterate what I am seeing in the videos to a format that I am familiar with for use with stage combat so that the group I practice with can include more authentic moves in our choreography for medieval reenactments. This is very helpful to my understanding and being able to explain this to others!

[@bensanders4033]

Thank you very much! This will keep us busy for a while. :)

[@bensanders4033]

That is why I love your videos! :)

[@gurkfisk89]

No problem, I'm happy to help. Good luck with your training.

[@3r4s3r666]

@DierkHagedorn All right with an additional step sideways to move my left ankle away from the enemys sword moving direction during the Krumphau I can imagine now how it can work in combat. In the vid your left ankle remains at the very same position, which led to my question. Of course after your explanation I think it is mostly because your focus was more on presenting the movement of the sword. Long text short summary: thanks for the clarification. I'm inquisitive about those new solutions;)

[@DierkHagedorn]

Although a little dated, I recommend the DVD "The Longsword of Johannes Liechtenauer Part I" available from Freelance Academy Press.

[@DierkHagedorn]

@3r4s3r666 Thank you for your interest. We have been working a lot on the krumphau lately and have come to more interesting solutions. Concerning your question however, it is both the small step off-line and the impact to the blade that prevents any danger. The opponent's sword should go to the ground and one should be able to apply any follow-up action like a thrust or hit to the head.

[@DierkHagedorn]

@Mittilgil I am not quite sure if I understand you correctly. If somebody thrusts at me, I can of course use the Krumphau in order to parry and simultaneously counter-attack. I don't se the reason why I necessarily must be hit as you suggest. Or did I get you wrong?

[@gurkfisk89]

The first word is abnemen. The technique of going around the blade. The deflection is made using a krumphau (crooked strike). They are in german because the manuals written by the medieval masters was often in german. It's similar to judo people saying "harai goshi" instead of "sweeping hip throw". So as you understand the concepts you can now say that you also understand the words. =)

[@HolmlundSWE]

good video's. I helped me a lot. Me and my two friends are starting to spar with longsword hicory wasters to begin with. Any useful tips or could you perhaps direct me to a good starting guide? your videos are being helpful and good quality instructions.

[@DierkHagedorn]

@mymuffinnotyours It's from the 2nd movement of Anton Bruckner's sympony #5

[@bensanders4033]

Thank you! I have just recently discovered these old techniques and am really happy to see these videos that are very instructional on how to perform them. I only have one fightbook so far to look at, the Talhoffer Medieval Combat 1467. It is a good translation but does not have a lot of the words used in these videos. I think the words describing the stances and strikes are what would be taught in a beginner manual. I need one of those I guess. Do you know where I could find that information?

[@DierkHagedorn]

@3r4s3r666 If, however, the opponent is quite strong that he remains in contact with the blade, that's no problem too, since then you can use winden techniques while remaining in the bind. Did that clarify your question a little?

[@gurkfisk89]

The word you are looking for is oberhau (upper strike). It's a cut from above, often diagonal. Not much more to it.

[@bensanders4033]

Thank you for making the videos. They are very helpful! Do you have a video or a manual that shows the words and meanings for the moves for beginners? I am trying to include more of the authentic style of fighting in the stage combat choreography that is used by a group I practice with for medieval reenactments. I am grateful for any information you can share!

[@DierkHagedorn]

If your Early High German, I'd like to direct you to the Hammaborg website where you should look into the transcription section. Johannes Liechtenauer's verses are prominently explained in the so-called Peter von Danzig manuscript, for instance. If you are looking for a decent translation into English, I recommend Christian Tobler's book "In St. George's Name". Talhoffer is next to impossible to reconstruct without proper knowledge of Master Liechtenauer's art

[@gurkfisk89]

If you want to look at other manuals than the one you have I really recommend the wiktenauer site. For basic manuals I recommend Jeff Tsay's channel here on youtube (fortejeff). He for example describes the common stances in detail. For a beginners manual, the "Call to Arms: The German Longsword" article at myArmoury is rather good imo.

[@DierkHagedorn]

@vargata: Thank you. That helped a lot.

[@totalbeefcall579]

how do you get on the inside so quickly with that last parry move?!

[@bensanders4033]

Hello, I am really enjoying studying your videos. As I watch this video, I hear you mention a name for the initial starting stance but I cannot tell what the word you use for it is. All I can tell is that it is Left (something). Can you clarify please? Thank you.

[@ZygmuntNadratowski]

What kind of swords are you using, and where did you get them? Great explanations. :)

[@Mittilgil]

Hello! Sorry for my English, it is bad:) I have a question about krumphau. If you make a stab at high speed with full force, to discourage him by krumphau impossible. Strike will inevitably hit you with either the side or in the leg, even if you have time to jump.

[@3r4s3r666]

Well I have one question about this technique: while krumping on your partners sword you give it an additional force towards your leg (if i can see it correct in the vid, always like to be rectified ;)) and you move your partners sword between your body and your sword, beeing pretty open for a new strike. So what i want to know is how you can conter/parry a new attack from your partner or avoid giving him the chance to attack the left side of your body?

[@eZU4nQsWN9pAGsU38aHj]

Klasse Videos ! Ich versuche einen Character für mein spiel zu animieren, deine videos sind klasse dafür :) (I recognized the accent and assumed you are german :p)

[@bensanders4033]

And after watching the rest of it, I find that I cannot understand the words you use for the other two movements for lifting the blade up after the taking off, and for the deflection after the blade comes back down when you step offline. I think the words are in German and I do not understand them but I can see the concepts.

[@Rikitocker]

Greetings Dierk - I have a question about this technique. I understand that very often the dynamics of a technique are best expressed at speed and better reveal themselves when fully committed - I am also limited by only seeing the side on view so forgive any misinterpretation on my part. My concern with this version of the Krump is that it appears to drag/rake the opponents blade onto your body or inside line. Usually one expects to parry closing a line against an attack but in this instance the opponents blade is parried and hooked inside our own line. This seems rather dangerous to me unless we are relying upon closing so deeply with our opponent that their blade is too far past our own bodies to do us harm. However this leaves us in the same distance as our opponent and at this point our advantage seems to rest with a pommel strike as there is little room for much else. If there is a traverse to the right here that I missed then it makes more sense as the opponents blade would pass more into open space to our left but in this clip the step is not shown so the technique appears linear. I'd welcome your thoughts here - Cheers!

[@DierkHagedorn]

Greetings to you, Rikitocker. I have re-watched this video for the first time after five and a half years, as it seems. What can I say? I look so young. I was so wrong. So I believe today. Well, that's the fascinating thing about HEMA: You have to re-evaluate and re-think what at a certain point you thought to be a valid interpretation. Today, I come into that situation in a much quicker (and more plausible) way, and-using Ockam’s razor-I'm inclined to no longer agree with that little video. I’ll leave it online-at least for the time being-but perhaps, one day, I’ll do a re-shoot. I must admit, the reconstruction struck me as odd today.

[@Rikitocker]

Dierk Hagedorn Thank you Dierk for the reply, you are wiser than most and absolutely correct that self evaluation and openness to critical analysis of interpretation is vital for progress in HEMA. After all, it is not about us and our egos as to whether one is right or wrong, but rather seeking knowledge and through a co-operative analysis of the material, revealing the techniques as the Masters intended. Our own school has improved and altered our interpretation of actions down the years also - it is only natural that as we improve as Martial Artists that our ability to more accurately interpret and perform the actions in the treatises is more finely tuned as well. I hope to come train with your school one of these days. Best regards my friend.

[@DierkHagedorn]

Rikitocker Anytime. Whenever you feel like it, you shall be our guest. Thanks for your kind words.

[@arpioisme]

Dierk Hagedorn mr hagedorn, i will be looking forward for your new interpretation. I watch this 3 years ago and re watch it again this morning looking for contemporary interpretation of krumphau which is somewhat mysterious for me

[@DierkHagedorn]

Personally, I find it much more risky to spar with wooden wasters. They don't bend at all. Steel simulators do - to a certain amount. I'd rather be hit with a steel sword than with a wooden one - particularly concerning thrusts. Nevertheless, I do *heavily* recommend some kind of tip protection, be it sturdy leather or an arrow rubber blunt, safely secured to the point. Apart from that, you should study the old sources meticulously and stay in contact with other groups.

[@DierkHagedorn]

@ZygmuntNadratowski Steel longswords, Model "Dürrer" and "Embleton", made by swords.cz

[@DierkHagedorn]

Ssänk ju werri matsch! Na, dann wünsche ich viel Erfolg mit dem Spiel.

[@haffoc]

Swyþþe god, gefaren!

[@vargata]

lol, i watched ur video again and it looks even worst then last time, u have totally misuse the pictures and descriptions. nobody will push the enemy sword toward himself. after crossing the blades, u wait while ur opponent switch side with his blade, if u do so, u are already dead. hitting his attacking blade from the top will not stop his attack. the manuscript u mention as source shows a simple and quick way to block the enemy to withdraw his sword to a high attack position