Have You Heard GMRS Users on HAM RADIO Repeaters?

I got this story from an email list at a local club in my area. Have you ever heard GMRS users or callsigns on any of your Ham Radio repeaters in your area? If so, how did you handle it? Here are my thoughts...
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[@k4eeb]

I am both a Ham and a GMRS'er. I own a local GMRS repeater and hold weekly nets for the GMRS community. I always end the net with " be a good steward of GMRS" and "GMRS is your gateway to HAM radio". If you are a fellow HAM be a leader and a good role model for our hobby.

[@junnymorales8554]

I second your comment, we should do this instead of trying to be smarty pants and just going off on the person. Our hobby is to have fun as well and be able to help others learn the hobby and be able to guide those who do not have the knowledge and have not been guided correctly. Best 73’s

[@indridcold8433]

I just have a CB radio in my vehicle. With the current solar flux levels and sunspots, CB radio can transmit thousands of kilometers with no effort.

[@RebellionFreedom]

Love Tennessee/Georgia’s community. No anger for new people in either space. Strong opinions kept inside. Respectful dialogue for all. Personally, I love new people coming on. The mistakes are awesome opportunities to be kind and helpful and show them how cool we are.

[@indridcold8433]

I had to return to this thread because you are not one to be a judgemental jerk. I made a Yagi antenna using easily obtainable formulas and instructions to operate on 49.895Mhz FM. I tested the ancient Radio Shack Walkie Talkie and found it wax transmitting five times the legal limit. It was transmitting 500 milliwatts. From what I gather, the power limit is 100 milliwatts. The extra power likely helped in my experiment. I left the 49.895Mhz transmitter on top of a very tall hill and aimed the antenna over he valley. The 500 milliwatt transmission was understandable at 10 kilometers, using binoculars to aim at the tall hill from the top of another very tall hill, using a second Yagi! I could hear the music that I left playing from the transmitter understandably. Granted, it was not a broadcast radio quality. But, it was very understandable. Connecting the scanner to the 259 centimeter antenna on my Jeep allowed for a little bit wider range of movement and be able to listen.. It was actually rather exciting. By the way, 49Mhz is not the beautifully occupied band it once was. I heard nobody during. Perhaps if 4 or 5 watts were allowed on that band, others would use 49 Mhz. One does not need to be licensed to be a hobbyist experimenter.

[@tedkrasicki3857]

@@digitaldreamer5481 Kilometers is NATO standard just like the 'meter bands' in RF.

[@nativetexan9776]

Most polite rant I have ever heard. LOL😂

[@shoa2285]

I don't recall Randy ever saying that it was OK for GMRS to TX on 70cm.

[@HamRadio2]

No I don't think he's said this directly, but he hints at it.

[@danleep1185]

I also have never heard Randy say that it was OK for GMRS to TX on 70cm. I can only say to anyone that listens/watches Randy's videos that you do so with much more attention to that which he says. He says things just to get those 'sad hams' railed up and they fall for it most all the time. I just laugh at it all...pacifically speaking, of course...

[@javabeanz8549]

​@@HamRadio2maybe you missed Josh interviewing Randy over the weekend...

[@tinwhiskerSC]

Randy will never actually say that out loud on a video but even the most clueless observer will be able to read between the lines. I think he probably does this to rile up people who actually care about being good stewards of the airwaves but forgets that there's a large portion, maybe a majority, of his audience that isn't in on the joke and believes that he's telling them that they should do whatever they want. Maybe he's repeated the joke so much that he believes it too.

[@startx9]

I believe people get the idea that Randy promotes this because of statements he makes about the FCC not caring/doing anything, and such. The truth is Randy doesn't actually encourage people to violate FCC regs, but he's not encouraging them to follow the regs either. Based on your state of mind when you watch one of his videos you can walk away with a completely different interpretation of what he said each time your watch it.

[@kryptonson]

I own a ham repeater and honestly, I don’t care who uses it. Everyone is welcome. If they don’t give a call sign or give a GMRS one, it’s just an opportunity to help them get into ham radio. And sad ham is still very funny.

[@Pimporly]

Good for you it should be that way

[@philweed1603]

Amen, brother!

[@ke8mattj]

I'm guilty of accidentally giving out my GMRS callsign on a ham repeater. The ham who responded was not salty about it. I just replied with a sorry and said my ham callsign.

[@HamRadio2]

As it should be

[@dondonaldson1684]

It is as simple as that!

[@EthosAtheos]

I've done the opposite, I've used a HAM call-sign accidentally on GMRS because I memorized that over 30 years ago and it just pops to mind when on a radio. Only had a GMRS license for a few years. The HAM on the GMRS repeater was not polite and I haven't used that repeater sense.

[@miket7184]

@@EthosAtheos I probably would have made a comment like "Who kicked your cage this morning?".

[@bobinmontana777]

Notarubicon Randy would call the person who wrote he said it was okay to broadcast on ham frequencies a “sad ham” because Randy never said that.

[@HamRadio2]

He calls everyone that he disagrees with a "sad ham" - that is why I say that it has lost all meaning and isn't funny anymore

[@philweed1603]

@@HamRadio2Yes it is. You’re a crybaby.

[@UndyingShadow83]

@@philweed1603 🤡

[@rrrrsorry8408]

This reminds me of the old “CB “ radio days . The airwave “FUDS “ and duds always complaining. I like the term “sad ham “ however I prefer “ whiny old douche bag”

[@mikeleary385]

Just got my GMRS call sign and I 100% agree with this video. I am currently studying for my HAM Technicians license. I would like to put a Repeater or two on my property if needed so I can help others who may need it. I think GMRS and HAM both have their place in todays world and people should be encouraged to learn the rules and follow them.

[@HamRadio2]

Awesome

[@chrissewell1608]

Good for you!

[@larrybragg7406]

How long did it take you to recieve your GMRS license?

[@chrisberentson3736]

Don’t put the club name in there then

[@billmakesmovies]

While you’re in study mode, get your general at the same time. You get to learn and then do so much more. Too many get stuck at tech. You can do it!

[@SK-rj1ti]

I remember this one time a ham radio operator showed up on our local GMRS repeater. Threw out his ham callsign. Our GMRS folks are super nice. They didn't get mad or anything. Apparently, the guy thought his ham license covered him for GMRS as well. Well, our GMRS guys just explained to him how to get a GMRS license. Actually, I think they were happy to have an opportunity to do so:) And that was it.

[@OGamputee]

Isn’t a Gmrs license free? Just have to pretty much sign up online?

[@SK-rj1ti]

@@OGamputee According to Lord Xenu, all airwaves should be license-free:) But then there will be a mess. All I was trying to say is be nice and helpful to each other.

[@OGamputee]

@@SK-rj1tiI was simply asking a question. Never heard of Xenu lol.

[@jasonf9736]

My GMRS license was not free. Just test free.

[@TinkeringOP]

If you work for something and that thing has a set of rights or privileges then that should be respected and not intruded. Innocent mistakes need to be corrected politely and not eye gouged. It’s a big hobby, radio. There’s room for more good folks. Good to encourage that.

[@ogbt]

I believe the “information” argument is about the public access to info with a call sign, some bad actor can look up an address with a call sign, not the government having that info. I use a PO Box but I can understand the concern.

[@HamRadio2]

I use a mailbox also. I've been doing this since I created an eBay account and signed up for Amazon prime, regardless of my Ham Radio license

[@the_mad_swimbaiter455]

One night we had one check into a net and confuse the heck out of all the OMs. After the net there was like 20 minutes of discussion on the call sign cause they were all so confused 😂😂

[@HamRadio2]

lol

[@javabeanz8549]

So someone checked in on a UHF or VHF net with a GMRS callsign? I can see how that would be confusing. The net controller didn't stop things right there?

[@the_mad_swimbaiter455]

@@javabeanz8549 they were too confused and rolled with it. The guy checked in and then the net rolled right along lol. He didn't do a report or anything. I was not net control so i didn't want to "make a scene". Figured the guy would figure it out. Haven't heard him again and didn't copy the call sign. Lol

[@javabeanz8549]

@@the_mad_swimbaiter455 Dang that's funny! Does make you wonder if they are recently dual licensed.

[@royholmes9010]

A guy checked into our amateur radio net with his GMRS call, net control was not sure what is was, I recognized it as I'm licensed for both services, I told the net control and spoke to the GMRS operator and he was under the mistaken idea that he could use his GMRS license on ham as well, we got him correctly informed and he's been on the GMRS repeaters and is now working on his ham license as well

[@dakotanorth1640]

Notarubicon never said it's ok to talk on ham frequencies without a license. He talks a lot about the sad hams who get butthurt about issues that don't involve them, but that's about it.

[@Arby1965]

I'm a numb nut but a General class. If I can achieve it, any one can.

[@major__kong]

The way testing is set up, you can go through practice questions on various websites and essentially memorize or recognize answers. I think if they gave a real test, most people wouldn't pass. Kind of like driver's licenses here in the US.

[@chrisjustice9157]

I feel the same way. You just have to study the material and take the exam. My Dad was surprised when I was able to get all 3 licenses. He said he didn’t know I was that smart. I guess it was a compliment. lol.

[@thehappyhogger4484]

"This is a ham frequency and not a GMRS frequency. You need to have a Technician's license to transit. However, don't let that statement scare you away. We want you in the hobby, but we want you to be legal."

[@HamRadio2]

Yep

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

All good points and well said. 👍

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks

[@gabrielsierra6890]

I heard a Ham callsign on FRS and I was like "errr...buddy?" and he snapped out of it, LOL!

[@dave_n8pu]

Maybe that person hadn't had their first cup of coffee?

[@bryanpureandsimple]

I did that the other day....gotta be careful with that quad-watch feature 😂

[@rustyhaddock7954]

I've even used my Ham callsign on the telephone!

[@kd8bxp]

​@@rustyhaddock7954 I've done that before. We are all human, and fallible.

[@HamRadio2]

FRS frequencies are shared with GMRS so you actually hear that often.

[@MDWackerman]

“We should be nice to THOSE people”. Thank you for letting all of us really know how you feel.

[@Pimporly]

Just because they made a Mistake or something it doesn't mean they are Bad people we need to fix this Country and Stop the hate

[@davidsradioroom9678]

I think you are calling the right shots on this subject.

[@throughmylens5127]

One day freak of weather or something a ham in mexico was on a local repeater was able to talk for a few minutes

[@HamRadio2]

Yeah I've heard that

[@seancanaway1131]

Xenu said it was ok

[@HamRadio2]

Who?

[@kidbach]

@@HamRadio2 Zeenu/Xenu Notarubicon's God who has bestowed his GMRS knowledge upon him. 👍

[@HamRadio2]

I know. My question remains..... Who?

[@naturecoastprepping2487]

@@HamRadio2Scientologist god !

[@lisocampos8080]

Haha 😂 i got it!

[@stevenharvey1375]

I think we as ham radio operators should be inviting the GMRS people to come and take a look at what ham radio is all about. There is also a opportunity for us ham radio operators to Elmer the GMRS side so they become better operators.

[@nvrmor023]

How does the complainer know its an inexpensive radio?

[@tamstutz921]

Ya.. that’s a really big leap 🤦‍♂️

[@HamRadio2]

Roger beep is probably on

[@TinkeringOP]

@@HamRadio2Roger beep… God’s gift to the radio hobby. 😅. Waiting for optional Roger beeps to be incorporated into the radio technology. Like ringtones! 😅 oh Lordy….

[@HamRadio2]

Lol

[@oldms]

They can't I'm on a cheap chinese handheld with a cheap chinese antenna on the back and people comment on how loud and clear I sound. 5w across 30 miles. The difference, I think, is that I affect my 'radio voice' and speak clearly and I know to keep the mic right in front of my mouth and turn off the music. The difference seems to be effort, not equipment. Doesn't take a lot of either.

[@yophotoman]

I also have both licenses. I don't hear cross overs locally but I do hear people doing simplex on GMRS repeater channels. They weren't talking English so I couldn't "educate."

[@chrissewell1608]

Was it the illegal infedels, already inbedded in our country?

[@Hoke104]

Jason funny you posted this today we had 2 the past month on our multi club 2 meter nets one this past week!!

[@RT-qd8yl]

I haven't even heard ham radio operators on my local ham repeaters. 💀

[@HamRadio2]

LOL, I talk about that in the video also

[@blueboy1183]

Great video! Very well stated!!

[@HamRadio2]

Thank you kindly!

[@otrdriver6767]

Thank you for sharing. The rules are clear. I learned more while studying for my General and am pleased.

[@HamRadio2]

Excellent!

[@n8sot]

This is why I love, and sub to HR2.0!!!!! Nothing but the honest truth. Thanks for all you do Jason!!! 73.

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks!

[@larryhancejr2158]

Good job. I like how you got around to mentioning being a good ambassador for amateur radio and getting the GMRS users there ham license.

[@abdias1977]

I agree with you, the only obstacle to get a license is the individual. No science here.

[@KD6IFG-1]

AWESOME video Jason! SPOT ON!

[@chrissewell1608]

I have not personally heard any GMRS users on any of our local HAM repeaters. BUT, a lot of GMRS people say they don't care, and will cross the line, when ever they want to. Almost having the CB'r attitude, of damn the law! So...?

[@N2YTA]

Some of them are rebels without a cause.

[@RishayanPorMexico]

You are absolutely right. Good Video.

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks!

[@RisingTidesAC]

Great video. Thank you for being honest about your mistakes and for the advice of being polite. That's what a man does!

[@wheelersecuritygroup]

Great video. I have my gmrs license and I'm studying now for my ham license. It's not easy for me and it's hard for me to comprehend. So I have respect for people who have a ham license

[@smoberdeen]

Nice presentation Jason.

[@EricSolomon-op8ti]

Josh, I used your video from approx 1 year ago Technician with KB6NU - GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL !!! Passed Tech (12 min. Total ) missed a couple questions used your video & online practice exams yesterday & today!! THANK YOU so Much for making this type content. Taking General end of next week. But NEED some videos about Big motorized extendable Tower & the BEST antennas, coax, etc etc etc The MRS. has authorized, so need to move while the coals are Hot! And again THANK YOU for providing videos like this- Also. KB6NU is Great.

[@elsuperpollo2273]

Some may also disagree, but I feel once you pass the amateur radio licensing, you should get access to all the amateur radio bands off one license, like how people who are licensed for gmrs who just pay a fee an go. But I dont make the rules, sometimes with all the studying i feel like it's useless to upgrade my technician to general even extra. With life i keep studying, then life happens so i keep putting the general on hold, then get back to studying again a week later. Kq4hcu

[@_Mordion_]

Randy has never said its okay for people to use amateur radio without a license. He has shown that the FCC isn't enforcing their rules which is a fact and other ham radio channels such as ham radio crash course have also pointed that out. There are a lot of sad hams (very appropriate term) out there that hate this guy and really just love talking about rules and regulations. I've only been a ham for a year but I've constantly seen these old grumpy bastards put words in his mouth. He's very entertaining and keeps the topic of radio practical and understandable for the common man. Not to be mean, but this is something sorely lacking in nearly all ham radio youtube channels.

[@HamRadio2]

You're mostly right but Randy's channel is more about comedy and satire, rather than education. No, he hasn't said it's ok to transmit without a license but he has said other things that are wrong, but since he's just a comedy channel, it doesn't matter

[@_Mordion_]

​@@HamRadio2 I think you underestimate the power of satire for the purpose of education. It doesn't have to be satire OR education. Speaking as a former teacher, it is extremely effective to use both. I'm sure you had teachers in school that weren't boring so you know what I mean. This is why he has a lot more subs than a lot of the ham channels on KZbin. You guys are mostly living in the world of HF which I understand, but us new guys are going to be working on a HT or cheap mobile for the most part and looking for simple plain English content that applies in those areas. Not to mention most of us can't afford to jump into HF for quite a while when we first start. Randy is capitalizing on that audience. If he has said "other things" that are wrong, then call him out on it because a lot of us newbies are sure learning a lot from him. I'd like to know if I'm getting bad information.

[@HamRadio2]

@@_Mordion_ I've done far more videos about DMR, YSF Allstar and other things in the VHF/UHF world than I have HF. Sure I do some HF, it's very enjoyable but that's not where I started. Satire is fine if you're trying to educate people. Randy insults and talks down to people who disagree with him too much for that. And when you point out something he says that's wrong, you get called a sad ham.

[@KempOutside]

Excellent take. I agree 100%

[@ChrisKD9YSW]

Yes we need to all do this and yes I have thrown out my Ham callsign on GRMS also

[@aa3konthego]

Well said! I've been calling out on my local repeaters regularly since you mentioned it sometime last year. Not always successful.

[@Retired_Five-0_W4WAG]

That right there was a Southern Hospitality Rant! LOL 😂 Well said and delivered.

[@ThePbrstg]

Very Well Said Thank You

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks for watching!

[@sgtevmckay]

Also, while correcting GMRS or and others while on ham freq's, take a moment and not only correct, but let these folks know that once they get their Ham license they would be more than welcome to return, and that you hope to hear their Ham call sign in the future. People that screw up today may be the folks that carry Amateur Radio into the future ;)

[@davidsheedy5793]

I agree 100% with your video...

[@dreamstate207]

I have a Baofeng UV5G plus GMRS radio that I put a ham frequency on for listening only. It won't allow me to transmit on ham frequencies.

[@HamRadio2]

Most of them won't without some sort of modification

[@startx9]

I learned this weekend that this has been the case in the Midland/Odessa area. I have heard a GMRS operator on the 2M calling frequency in my town, after meeting with them I explained what was wrong. The folks at the Odessa club reportedly have been working to convert the GMRS users to amateur operators which is a model that some folks in the Midland club are discussing.

[@HamRadio2]

Nice

[@jeff1011677]

Well said Jason. I have both ham and GMRS licenses. I have made the mistake of saying the wrong callsign on both, it happens. I'm guilty of that myself. It's very easy to forget which radio service your using at times. Sometimes I catch myself. But, well said video. 73s. Still waiting for your review on the Ailunce hd2 as well.

[@NA12495]

As for a repeater operator (rules might have changed).... But I thought they were legally require to ensure he proper operation of the repeater. Example, if someone used the f-bomb on the repeater, you would need to say knock it of or report them if need be.

[@danhaslam1599]

Great insight Jason. I would strongly agree with you.

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks

[@philliprickman1394]

I was monitoring my local ham repeater today. It sounded like kids playing on the channel. Later, there was a conversation that sounded like something you'd hear on CB or FRS. I have also talked to people using a ham radio on GMRS frequencies.

[@Johnyrocket70]

I've heard it several times in California. Most of them are cool and understand when they are told. Some cursed us out and continued to use it for a few weeks. We just wouldn't let them talk to each other.

[@HamRadio2]

The ones who were jerks...if you call them out, you get labeled a Sad Ham. It's ok for them to be rude and obnoxious, but not for you to be

[@greglewis6719]

I have both GMRS and Ham, love talking on both. Jason well said and thank you.

[@AAPSG]

This is absolutely a great video

[@HamRadio2]

Glad you think so!

[@kevinison3740]

I got my GMRS license a little while ago after having spent some time reading up and trying to get an understanding. Now I am kind of getting interested in getting a ham license. I agree with you, know before you key...

[@digitaldreamer5481]

Aloha Jason, as the net control of a large linked repeater system here in Hawaii, I have not seen any GMRS license holders get on our ham radio repeaters yet. On the other hand, I have gotten onto one GMRS repeater owned by a good friend of mine and have used WH6DWF, like you said. This was also after I spent 20 minutes looking up my own GMRS license, which is basically a mile long, which I shouldn’t need to use since my Ham license exceeds any GMRS License. I really believe if the FCC is going to be relevant in the future, they really need to get a license and get on the air themselves to see all the stupid things that they do on a regular basis. It really should be like an endorsement like for your drivers license. Example, if folks can use their FCC Call Sign on GMRS Repeaters, than those that only paid for a GMRS license would hear what a real license sounds like and would want to upgrade to Amateur radio license. It’s really that simple. We should be promoting Amateur radio, not segregating it. 😢

[@EthosAtheos]

I think in the very near future digital radio will make call-signs spoken over the air obsolete. The call sign will be embedded in the signal. Amateur radio will eventually go digital even if it does it kicking and screaming the whole way.

[@digitaldreamer5481]

@@EthosAtheos Yes, in most cases now with digital modes, especially with D Star, most of the nets are just key ups for checking in and you can see your own call sign flash across the screen on these ICOM D Star mobile transceivers. Besides analog simplex, D Star is my favorite mode. I do feel that analog will forever be here for EmComm communications, especially in the absence of internet connections or connectivity. Point well taken, sir. 🤙🏻

[@dylanschulz2404]

Well said!

[@thedayofevil]

Well said! Love your videos! N2HAM!

[@HamRadio2]

Much appreciated!

[@vikinghog]

Either we have rule of law or we do not. If you feel that each person is entitled to decide for themselves what should or should not be subject to consequences, or is victimless because the victim is not within sight, then don’t whine when you become the victim of someone who feels that what they did to you should have no consequences for them. These words are from the “sad about everything and we are doomed” story that is in the process of being written.

[@TheSzalkowski]

I agree with most of what you said. One thing I would add to the "Sad Ham"" part. If you are a licensed ham and you are going to tell someone what the "rules are", please actually know what the hell you are talking about before you run your mouth. I am embarrassed by many of my fellow licensed hams spouting off false information like they actually have a clue.

[@HamRadio2]

Yes, good idea

[@dreamstate207]

Probably the best reason for the ham license is to keep random yahoos from just picking up a radio and cluttering up the frequencies. WRUS402

[@major__kong]

But the license doesn't prevent that. It's just a piece of paper like a restraining order. Anyone can buy a radio and transmit.

[@jeffwinget5928]

You posted this and then I actually heard similar to this last night. I've never heard it happen here in Washington until you posted this. I thought of contacting the repeater owner.

[@MHTED]

I’m a GMRS license holder and working on getting my Technician license. People who would use a ham radio without a license are just ignorant and lazy !! I’m glad you dropped this video!

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks

[@philweed1603]

I am ignorant and lazy. And I will STILL use ham radio without a license whether you like it or not.

[@terryparker1925]

@@philweed1603 No you won't. We`ll just turn it off. Get stuffed.

[@philweed1603]

@@terryparker1925 Wrong. I still use it EVERYDAY and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, Sad Ham.

[@philweed1603]

@@terryparker1925 Now maintain that repeater for me, stuffing boy.

[@otrdriver6767]

I have not tested for my General yet. Still learning at this time.

[@thetravi1348]

Before I had any license or knowledge about radios I had a baofeng and a Bluetooth programmer that would automatically load all the repeater info in for you. So I loaded a local repeater in and it worked! For weeks I never heard anyone on it. Then one day my life changed. A ham by the name of Jim came on and talked to me. Told me what I was doing was wrong but he wasn’t going to turn me in but if I was wanting an “in” then come to the club meetings. I went to their very next meeting. That was last year, now I’m a licensed ham and GMRS user. (This was all allegedly btw)

[@HamRadio2]

This is the perfect way to do it

[@K3JRZOnTheAir]

Had someone with a GMRS callsign try to check into a (ham radio) net one night last year. We quickly informed him that he was doing the wrong thing and invited him to get a ham license. But we told him he couldn’t be on the ham radio repeaters or frequencies.

[@michaelwho3284]

Studying for a Tech , just applied for Gmrs, if I’m on a GmRS frequency it’s not possible for me to get on a Ham frequency repeater accidentally is it? Just making sure , still learning?

[@N2YTA]

If you're using a GMRS radio it will be set to the GMRS channels, you won't access any other frequencies than are allowed. If you're using amature radio transciever out of the ham bands just be sure you're on the correct frequency for the GMRS channel you want to use.

[@michaelwho3284]

@@N2YTA ty kind sir

[@N2YTA]

@@michaelwho3284 any time! Good luck on your test!

[@HamRadio2]

Thanks for commenting

[@mdwestlund1]

Good one . Go get em.

[@mikeramsey9747]

We are always going to have bad apples using bands that they are not licensed for or individuals who are not licensed at all. I heard non-licensed individuals on a few rare occasions on some of our local repeaters mainly when there is severe weather forecasted or occurring.

[@freddysikes]

Amen brother !

[@louwest]

I live in the DFW area and monitor these repeaters. I have both licenses and I agree, recently there has been a lot of missing call signs and obviously GMRS transmissions that are beyond the power limits. I agree with Jason. I just wish the local clubs were more open. There are some "sad hams" out there, I know I've encountered them and it prevents me from enjoying the hobby.

[@philweed1603]

I heard the sad hams crying today about nobody talking on ham anymore and there’s more activity on GMRS. Well DUH! They ruined it for everyone wanting to join.

[@Megellin]

Heh, I agree with you we need to keep up the repeaters more, so I will try to key up some with my call a couple times a day. Btw as someone who has had a general license for a long time I don't really care what people do on 440 as long as it isn't tiring up repeaters, bleeding over to other parts of the spectrum, or pushing a lot of wattage with a strong antenna making it impossible ignore.

[@sethirwin1610]

Our practice is to not respond to GMRS call signs.

[@bendeleted9155]

I end up using a GMRS radio to talk to FRS radios I have handed out at events or convoys and if I identify on air, the others on FRS start going, "What did you say?" I just quit doing it. No one else cares on GMRS/FRS anyway. I haven't heard anyone call out anyone on GMRS repeater either, come to think of it, but it takes a deliberate action to cross over to ham repeaters and frequencies. It should not be happening, though I haven't heard it happen either way. It's like CB talking to AIR. It would stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. I've had to learn at least four different languages to talk on all these radios over the decades 😂.

[@Lake_City_Defensive_Training]

Happened lot in our area for a while. We have taken 1 repeater completely out of service, and changed the frequency and tones on another because of it. If your amateur repeaters are listed on repeater book or radio reference...having them removed will help prevent this nonsense.

[@EthosAtheos]

To be clear you can't program a GMRS type certified radio to a HAM repeater. What happens is people keep using HAM radios for GMRS for lots of reasons. The FCC is telling you what radio you can use for GMRS, its dumb but it's true. Most GMRS users don't know stuff a HAM does and the HAM community isn't doing a good job of teaching anyone. I am not a HAM because the HAM community is a toxic wasteland. I used to use HAM radio in school because the school had a HAM license and it was awesome. I don't know what happened to the community but it isn't approachable anymore. ARRL is only 20 years older than the FCC, not much there to brag about.

[@mikepowell5488]

I totally agree with what you said. I'm in Nebraska and we recently had our area arrl rep at a club meeting saying how they dropped the ball in the cb days and with gmrs picking up they would like to sway some of those users to become hams. Like you said, politely explain the issue but maybe invite them to a club meeting or something ham related...

[@robertmeyer4744]

nice video. have not herd any GMRS users using HAM repeaters in my area. I have herd wrong call being used and corrected. I have even done that. when you have more then 1 call you can invertedly use the wrong call. been a lot or repeater keys with nothing said around me. both GMRS and HAM but not done to interfere with anyone. I have not herd much repeater jamming around me. but not all ways listing. I do get a lot of kids with FRS radio's messing around. 73's

[@luish19779]

Guys , I am not Radio expert, but I know the difference between 462 & 442- I think is not Fk excuse for that type of mistake, I accept you 460 or near GMRS frequencies, but from 462 end on 70 cm, I always Love to use a 70 cm or 2 meter repeater, I get my ticket-KE2AUM- I love too use GMRS repeater, I get my callsign WRMZ361- but on KZbin is too much BS about ham radio operator, I am cool with both side, I enjoy the hobby 24/7 and I not see anyone like less or enemy because divided, we weak, United we Strong. God bless everyone.

[@WolfQuantum]

I'm both Ham and GMRS licensed. I wish we had a GMRS repeater here. GMRS folks should understand that if they are tossing out their call sign (same as with a Ham call sign) is that they can be looked up on FCC license search. Another reason to be careful where you are transmitting is that here in rural SW Texas is some LE and some Business licensed activity that when close enough on UHF and VHF that it tosses some noise when they are close that it trips the repeaters with some major static for a moment. Since I have a Uniden SDS100 going at the same time as my GMRS and Ham Radios (monitoring 2 Meter and 70cm) going and can tell when an LEO really close by the tower keys up and triggers the repeater. Just because they are on P25 doesn't mean analog signals can't interfere with them either. We actually have our repeater in the same building and tower as the Sheriff's department. Just using whatever frequency you happen to pick might be a good way to get unwanted LE attention if you are interferring with their comes. Not to mention that down this way the cartels and smugglers are using some GMRS and hijacking some ham and business coms here and there. We had to swap our primary GMRS channel when out at a ranch because illegal smugglers were using it so much. It was deep in a valley and no UHF signals got over those ridges. You had to be in there to have signal and theirs was strong. I do have a few of those in a grey hair GMRS simplex net I run that "Don't want the gov't..." That's why they have HTs and I did the programming on them allowing listening on some other freqs, but no TX. We do have another there who is also ham licensed. So their radio can do both. Like you said, the gov't already has your info and they aren't going to go rounding up everyone with a GMRS license when it's easier to simply jam and/or monitor those freqs. Play nice people. The allocations are there so you don't have such a mess that no one can communicate when they need too. Maybe more clubs need to start fox hunting again to have those skills when needed.

[@DJ_Megahertz]

I have 9 repeaters and I also have this issue. One claimed that he bought the radios preprogrammed with the repeater frequencies already for this area.

[@HamRadio2]

Repeaters oftentimes have commonly used frequencies in different regions, so that might actually be possible. He probably would have had to set the CTCSS himself though

[@aqdrobert]

GMRS operator obtained preprogrammed HT from dealer. Ham and GMRS repeaters were identified only by LOCATION, such as SHAW BUTTE, not whether they were amateur or GMRS. Local hams make general call, "This is an AMATEUR RADIO REPEATER." All but dedicated trolls change frequency.

[@marshred]

The Repeaters ARE OUR PROPERTY, The Amateur Radio Club's and Amateur Radio Licensed Operator's PROPERTY. So...First thing We do around here is to politely engage with those that don't have a callsign etc and INVITE them to Come to our Club Meeting and Encourage them To Join the Hobby! Then explain to them Why they Shouldn't be Operating on the Repeaters "illegally". We don't want to run them off, we want to pull them into the fold!. Usually, that's the end of the issue and we get new hams!

[@HamRadio2]

As it should be...

[@eem3iii]

New Ham here and a licensed GMRS user. I am not seeing why I should join ARRL. The subscription price is high compared to other organizations. Also, the information I received from ARRL did not give me a good description of what they would be doing or providing with the money if I join. Am I missing something?

[@JeffN4POD]

I have heard this on occasion. Once it was from a new ham who used his GMRS call. The other times it was from kids playing, and I'm not sure if they got a hold of their parent's or grandparent's radios or what. On the first one I heard someone else come back to them in a nasty, condescending tone, chastising them for using amateur frequencies without a license and yadda-yadda. As I noted, turns out the guy was a new ham and (ironically) was used to using his GMRS call and forgot which service he was using. That nastiness is uncalled for, especially considering it was an honest mistake. That only bolsters the "sad hams" argument made by Notarubicon and others. Had it not been, however, the entire conversation could've been in violation of the rules -- the licensed amateur included. We're not supposed to communicate with unlicensed individuals on amateur frequencies, unless there is a ham at the control point of that station (ie - 3rd party traffic.) So this begs the question... what should we do in such a situation?

[@joeyduese6638]

I don’t think it’s that serious at all. The only thing ham bands are used for nowadays is for guys who just want to talk about ham stuff on radios. Nothing super important is going on. I can get people getting mad if people are getting in the way of someone talking or a conversation, but other than that, who cares. I know the FCC doesn’t😂

[@HamRadio2]

I pretty much answered this question in this video, I think you should just inform them of what's going on politely. I don't really see a problem with talking to them without a license, unless it's a longer extended period of time

[@HamRadio2]

During the last two to three years, when we had ice storms and power outages in my area, several of the local repeaters would get used for welfare checks by people in the surrounding area. No emergency, nothing really all that highly sensitive, just everyday welfare checks. It's good to have options like that when you have no power or internet at home due to weather related issues

[@KG5RJR]

Good Job Jason! Education and Encouragement is correct way for the HAMS to behave.

[@HamRadio2]

Yep

[@randyschoumaker3814]

I agree with the laziness part. I'm far from the sharpest tool in the shed, and I was able to get both my technician and General.

[@HamRadio2]

Same here

[@icebrakernh]

I’m new to all of this I’m going to purchase a GMRS license and I have been watching the videos from you and the other guys to educate myself on how to use and what I can do using the airwaves. Sadly I can’t find any HAM clubs that will give the test so I can get in to the HAM license.

[@gregsmith1116]

Amen, Jason. Let's be nice and maybe they will get the Ham license because we are good people.

[@HamRadio2]

Yep

[@N2YTA]

There are people you cannot be nice enough to.

[@donniedotson3318]

I agree 100%

[@Hamdalorian]

I want to see a challenge where more people that have the capability use 2 meter ssb more often.

[@HamRadio2]

Yes

[@TomZ23]

I heard this issue on a local repeater. A GMRS user used the repeater and gave his GMRS call sign. No other conversations were going on at the time. One of the, my guess, club users came on yelling at this operator. It was a bit sad as maybe this user made a mistake and, in the future, could become a Ham user, but this experience was so negative. I was thinking about attending and checking out the local club that ran the repeater, I have second thoughts if this is how they treat new and maybe future operators. That's no how you invite someone to check out your hobby.

[@HamRadio2]

Agreed

[@seandrake7534]

Ok so I'm interested in becoming a ham I have been listening to my local 2 meter repertors there is no one on them (every or at least I have never cot anyone using them ) and not having a license I can't talk on them But the ham study guide says you are supposed to listen and then only talk after you hear someone else do talking !!! So who is the Lord and savior who gets to talk first if you can't talk until you hear someone else talking first ??? I know this sounds stupid but that's the ham rules

[@HamRadio2]

What that actually means is that you should listen first to make sure you aren't interrupting an ongoing conversation. If the repeater is clear, you're free to use it, assuming you have a license

[@mark12.31]

Accidental is one thing and any operator who makes that mistake and is worth their salt will speak up and correct themselves. But if there are GMRS folks using ham repeaters, that certainly needs addressed. But I agree that it needs to be done in a courteous manner. If it continues then there are proper avenues to take so they get a more stern warning (including the repeater owner sending a certified letter informing them they are to stop using said repeater until properly licensed). Is there any update? I see the date (as seen on the monitor in the background) was March 13...have you monitored and heard any of the improper use that was described?

[@shodwilliams]

I have both, I have accidently used my Ham callsign on my own GMRS repeater before.

[@HamRadio2]

Same

[@KevinWallis]

I started on GMRS by accidentally catching Randy @ notarubicon on youtube. Thanks to Randy i started following both Josh @ HRCC and your Channel . I am now a technician class Ham studying for my General license. Thanks to all of you ABC the APE lol. I will say though i have come across a couple uppity "sad" hams. Joined a club and now well on my way.

[@HamRadio2]

Welcome!

[@throughmylens5127]

I have both

[@NemoOhd20]

Never heard NotaRubicon say anything like a GMRS user can talk on a ham repeater.

[@billcosgrave6232]

I totally agree with what you are saying. This is the correct message to send. I like NOTARUBICON and I think he can be a humorous guy at times, but he sends the the wrong message in his videos and comments, and he takes the "Sad Ham" trope too far. A ham radio licenses is like a drivers license, It is there so we will not have total chaos on the air - the same function a drivers license is for the streets and highways! If people do not follow these rules then the privilege (remember if you need a license then it is a privilege and not a right, just like driving), i.e. the bands, will be taken away and sold to commercial carriers and my guess is those licenses will be much more expensive than ham radio licenses. Follow the rules folks!!!!!

[@HamRadio2]

Well said

[@major__kong]

Where do you live where a driver's license means there won't be chaos on the roads? I think if we gave real tests, most drivers and ham radio operators would fail.

[@billcosgrave6232]

@@major__kong well that’s the idea at least🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HamRadio2]

They give real tests when you are 16, but nothing after.