Interview With New York State GMRS Alliance President After FCC Shutdown Of Their GMRS Network

You can watch the previous video here: • FCC Shuts Down GMRS Re...
In a follow-up to my previous video about the alleged shut-down of the New York State GMRS Alliance Club's GMRS linked network by the FCC, I interview the president of the the GMRS club, Carl Bourke (WRTE329). Carl explains how he was informed about the alleged letter from the FCC that let to the shut-down of the club's GMRS Repeater linked network.
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[@Bikers_For_Jesus]

Boring

[@TheNotaRubicon]

yah, an actual conversation without car-explosions or girls in bikinis can be hard to follow for low-IQ people.. But thanks for trying.

[@LatyQuinones]

I’m a member of that club I sent you an email

[@davidgilbert6]

Not as interesting as those Kardashian reruns, huh?

[@MrDirkhead]

Thats the idea. It's sarcasum.

[@David-pu5dx]

462.675 in New York City has been jammed for years to this day!! FCC hasn't done shit about it!!!

[@atlantaswelder]

interesting

[@chesty1369]

Does the FCC know?

[@craigdavidson2977]

When you say 'jammed', what does that mean?

[@cozy659]

@@chesty1369 Yes they know. My home repeater is on 675 40 miles south of the NYC machine. It can be heard DFQ all the way out in King Of Prussia, PA… there is no way they are running 50 watts. And the constant cursing , music and rebroadcasting of a local commercial radio station. This one repeater is killing the use of the frequency for well over 80+ miles around… for so many others who share the frequency.. I’ve personally had a few discussions with the FCC on it..I’m on the freq since the mid 90’s.. that’s one machine that needs to disappear

[@luish19779]

This comment have name & last name- Daniel Delise - Google it his name.

[@slick8086]

I graduated from the Walmart Legal University and got my master's from Arby's School for Constitutional Law.

[@stevehildreth1934]

And, I graduated 5th grade!

[@agrahazl]

So I assume that you both are getting full student loan repayment.

[@davidkermes376]

i'd say your qualifications "trump" those of the present regime running the department of (in)justice.

[@kalburgy2114]

Davey Crockett said that what made him a good magistrate was that he had never read a single page from a law book.

[@drwheycooler8423]

Now I want Arby's.

[@OvGraphics]

Gotta say that I AM impressed, Randy Sir. You looked like a real grown up newsreader conducting the interview...and using only a partially working Commodore 128 computer with two serial 1571 floppy drives you put the whole thing together. NEAT!!!

[@jordan1155]

I'm just here for the t-shirts...

[@Sommyie]

Facts. My mommy keeps saying she'll order me one soon!

[@rodnabors7364]

And the background posters.

[@xsweetxvampirousx]

I'm just here for the background screenshots

[@irrops]

They’re like Easter eggs!

[@angelscomputers]

me too hahaha

[@craigdavidson2977]

Dang, Randy, nice job. You are turning into the next Matt Drudge. I think I like it. We should start calling this channel the 'Rubicon Report'

[@DaddyyCrab]

Matt Drudge sold his soul. Ty

[@strtkempo]

​@@DaddyyCrabFacts!

[@wk3660]

The got the dirt on drudge.. full blown commie now. He probably has a dark past.

[@rainmannoodles]

Although I don't like the network being shut down I do (sort of) understand why GMRS repeater networks might be something the FCC would want to avoid. With a limited number of channels (and repeaters "overlapping" with the standard simplex channels) a large coverage network sort of closes off those channels for larger areas compared to a single repeater. A large radio club that wants to run a network with significant coverage is better suited to amateur radio, where this sort of thing is not only allowed but also quite common. But that does limit it to people willing to take the tests and get new radios. Kind of a sucky situation all around. Honestly, I really wish the FCC would make a few small changes that would make things a whole lot nicer for all of us. 1. Allow linked GMRS repeaters with some caveats. Given the limitations of the channels there definitely would need to be some sort of management, and I really have no idea how this might be done, but it would at least give groups like this an option. 2. For GMRS, eliminate the need for a callsign or registration when using simplex on an HT. It's basically FRS with *slightly* more power. A callsign should only be needed to use repeaters and to use more than 5W in my opinion. 3. Allow HAM radios to transmit on GMRS frequencies "legally" using a GMRS callsign as long as all GMRS limitations and rules are obeyed. I should be able to have one radio that does both and not rely on MARS mods, which "technically" are only usable in an emergency. If I go out for a hike with my family and we all have GMRS radios, I should be able to carry my HAM radio and use it for our GMRS communication and not need to carry two separate radios. (Of course, I might anyway for backup, but my point is that I shouldn't *need* to. 😁)

[@kilcar]

Which all begs the question: Doesn't the FCC & GOV have anything better to do?

[@davidkermes376]

i wonder if the fcc will follow atf's example and start conducting midnight, no knock, armed raids on folks they feel are violating their secret regulations.

[@brunswicksquaremusic5905]

Secret regulations publicly posted on their website…

[@jpjp3873]

Hide your dogs!

[@midsouthexpress]

They will cover up your doorbell ring cam and shut off the power to your house like they did here in Arkansas.

[@Skidderoperator]

The SHTF day is approaching. Internet will go down right before all hell breaks loose.

[@brunswicksquaremusic5905]

@@Skidderoperator 🤣🤣🤣

[@JDHood]

Something about this still does not smell right... An unofficial heads-up between acquaintances, but also a rather official sounding "give me all the call signs involved"... It sounds at the very least as if someone at the FCC might be coloring outside the lines a bit. I'm prob wrong, but just sayin'.

[@RedStripeMedia]

Yeah that's mixing personal and government relationships and business. There are official terms for that and they're supposed to carry punishments.

[@kmg501]

@@RedStripeMedia I think an inquiry is required in light of that request (or was it a demand?).

[@Skidderoperator]

Commyinterference

[@richb.4374]

Nothing fishy at all going on. The FCC made it clear back in January that linking GMRS repeaters via the internet to relay voice communication is illegal. You can legally link your repeater to the internet for remote control, but not for relaying GMRS comms via the internet to other repeaters. The repeater custodian must have been aware of this and didn't want to be responsible for others breaking the rules on his machine. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm only sharing what I know about this.

[@JDHood]

@@richb.4374 We've all heard the same story. It still smells like the contact at the FCC is deviating from established procedure by handling this "buddy-buddy" and via email. As far back as I can remember, I've never heard of anything like it. It is distinctly "out of character" for the FCC.

[@tomwilliams8675]

As a member of this club, I would like to thank Carl for coming on your channel to help explain things. The reason I joined the group and not just to use the Alliance network for free was to help maintain the system with my dues. To was great being able to communicate across the state. I'm fairly new to GMRS. Was our system one of many out there that linked their repeaters the same way? Thanks Randy🤝🤝🇺🇸

[@WSCD.-.-.-]

The New York net appeared to be linked differently than others. GMRS repeaters are allowed to be “Remote controlled”. Soooo yes they can be connected to a network. See 95.1749 It may be that your club’s network host was sending an audio encoded gmrs rf spectrum over the internet to another repeater. I think that particular usage is what they don’t like. Tv stations and KZbin and radio stations all do the same thing using different licenses (and authorized equipment), non rf technology (KZbin original broadcast), and commercial licensing for rf broadcast (ie your large radio station license).

[@tomwilliams8675]

@WSCD.-.-.- I still haven't heard from the club how ours was linked, but this now makes me wonder how anyone from a three letter organization would know either.

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

Still lots of questions here whether they were actually going to start the process of turning off linked systems

[@WSCD.-.-.-]

@@tomwilliams8675 someone who knew could have described the design. Of course, depending on the lay of the land and knowing the locations of towers, they could have recognized something like “well the only way they are getting from point A to point B is digital network.” EXTREMELY unlikely that they do, but if they need to go to the towers and look at the antennas, they can make some assumptions and then contact the tower licensee and verify. A “mad bro” civilian could have done that also and reported an assumed configuration, motivation aside. Why people get so worked up over people minding their own business, I will never understand.

[@strtkempo]

​@@tomwilliams8675he said the repeater owner and this FCC agent were friends. Apparently he let the FCC agent see the set-up.

[@WSCD.-.-.-]

As a member of US’s largest gmrs repeater network, this was a topic of discussion along with lots of misinformation. I’m always surprised at the hate generated toward notarubicon as if “thou shalt not *sarcast*” was the 11th commandment. You live rent free in so many heads. 🤦🏽‍♂️ 🤣🤣 Submitted edit for sad Grammar Nazi: “As a member of the largest GMRS repeater network in the US, it was a topic of discussion along with a lot of misinformation. I am always surprised at the hate generated toward Notarubicon as if 'thou shalt not *sarcast*' was the 11th commandment. You live rent-free in so many heads."

[@daviddelaney363]

Here are your grammar errors in the given text along with explanations and corrections: 1. **Possessive Form of "US"**: - **Error**: "US’s largest gmrs repeater network" - **Correction**: "the largest GMRS repeater network in the US" - **Explanation**: "US" should not have an apostrophe for possessive form. Instead, rephrase to indicate possession. 2. **Article Usage**: - **Error**: "this was a topic of discussion along with lots of misinformation." - **Correction**: "it was a topic of discussion along with a lot of misinformation." - **Explanation**: Since "this" refers to the entire preceding clause, "it" is more appropriate. Also, "a lot of" is more commonly used than "lots of" in formal writing. 3. **Capitalization**: - **Error**: "gmrs" - **Correction**: "GMRS" - **Explanation**: "GMRS" (General Mobile Radio Service) should be in uppercase as it is an acronym. 4. **Consistent Verb Tense**: - **Error**: "I’m always surprised at the hate generated toward notarubicon" - **Correction**: "I am always surprised at the hate generated toward Notarubicon" - **Explanation**: Use "I am" instead of the contraction "I’m" for consistency in tone. Also, proper nouns, such as "Notarubicon," should be capitalized. 5. **Quotation Marks**: - **Error**: "thou shalt not *sarcast*" - **Correction**: "thou shalt not *sarcast*" - **Explanation**: The use of asterisks for emphasis is informal. However, the context suggests this is an attempt at sarcasm or informal speech, so it's acceptable. Alternatively, use quotation marks if formal writing is desired: "thou shalt not 'sarcast'". 6. **Conjunction and Punctuation**: - **Error**: "You live rent free in so many heads." - **Correction**: "You live rent-free in so many heads." - **Explanation**: "Rent-free" should be hyphenated as it is a compound adjective. Revised version with corrections: "As a member of the largest GMRS repeater network in the US, it was a topic of discussion along with a lot of misinformation. I am always surprised at the hate generated toward Notarubicon as if 'thou shalt not *sarcast*' was the 11th commandment. You live rent-free in so many heads."

[@williambob111]

​@@daviddelaney363 LMAO! Douchey but apropos!

[@user-jp8hv5nu1q]

Ha! Impressive! As the son of an English teacher, I mean that sincerely! Note re: your revised version with corrections… consider placing a comma after “Rubicon”.

[@WniGrup]

@@daviddelaney363 You want to get pinned don’t you?

[@WSCD.-.-.-]

@@daviddelaney363 says, “Ya but how do you talk to the ISS with and FRS???”

[@LatitudeSky]

Highly irregular to do this sort of unofficial enforcement action. The agency HAS a whole enforcement department for this, with protocols to follow. This casual email chatter smells worse than an unclean fish tank. Sounds like their custodian was in a highly leveraged position and either wanted out, and here was a convenient way to eject, or they have their other irons to protect. I'm sure some simple sleuthing can find who this mystery person is and what they do for a living that has them so worried. But it's really irrelevant. The club was in a weak position being guests on his system, and now they aren't guests any more. Wish them luck. I am sure the situation is not where anyone wanted to be.

[@centralfloridagmrs]

Nobody knows what will happen next but it appears they might be the start of turning off the linked networks. We still don't know how this system that was told to shut down was actually operating. This was never addressed in this interview. I'm glad Randy is staying on top of this however.

[@Skidderoperator]

Wheres my tinfoil hat & ammo?

[@kolakowj]

I spent a decade in supervisory role in Federal government and you are spot on. There is a process with mgmt oversight so that some GS-5 clerk doesn’t go off playing Napoleon for a day because they just divorce papers.

[@Skidderoperator]

@@kolakowj Feds=💩

[@centralfloridagmrs]

I love the linked networks but repeaters are not the only victims of interference from a linked system where distant stations cannot monitor local outputs for traffic. Simplex operators on those eight 50W simplex/repeater channels can also impacted. It goes back to the very few amount of actual GMRS channels available.

[@daviddelaney363]

I recently purchased 2 5W Baofeng GMRS handhelds. Planning to use them on a road trip to talk between cars to 5yo grandson. We'll be playing "Yellow Car" which is the new improved version of "Punchbug", since there are now so few beetles on the road. We'll be on channel 19 and maybe we'll catch some communication from a trucker or 2. I don't have a phd yet so will probably never figure out how to link to a gmrs repeater network. Not sure I want to anyhow. And yes I have a GMRS FCC issued license. This is a great KZbin Channel, keep up the great work!

[@rickkephartactual7706]

I hope this question doesn't sound too stupid. Do truckers now use GMRS Channel 19 instead of or in addition to CB Channel 19?

[@richerich853]

​@@rickkephartactual7706 No truckers still use CB, a handful might have GMRS.

[@dougdaniels]

Thanks Randy, very professional interview by both of you.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

The FCC won't let me be · Or let me be me, so let me see · They tried to shut me down on youtubezTV· But it feels so empty without me

[@keithtolbert9347]

Best comment award 😂

[@MADooit]

Thank you both, and best of luck to the club.

[@bobsminkey1018]

Why didn't you ask and discuss the legalities of linking repeaters?

[@metatechnologist]

Because he's not particularly concerned with silly little things like rules??

[@mikeangelastro7648]

Please keep us updated on the situation🇺🇸

[@DRay-or4tc]

I had always read that when one is staging a coup, the first thing you do is control all means of communication

[@FederalMenace]

Bingo. Here's one that can see

[@rudyschwab7709]

The coup already happened. We just have too many people in this country who are too afraid to look beyond the boundary of their little comfort bubbles to see it and acknowledge it.

[@stargazer7644]

Oh good grief. Your tinfoil hat is too tight. Like anyone gives a crap about GMRS.

[@presw2pw123]

And distribute $19 Baofengs

[@GiantSequoiaNation]

That was a good interview. Thanks for giving the community this information and a heads up.

[@tomb6269]

Great video!! Thank you for the update. Still a lot of questions out there unanswered.

[@Sagart999]

Thanks for the followup, in which the president of the NY club validated the source of the email.

[@AntonioRodriguez-bd1sd]

Your channel is awesome. I have learned so much from you I just humbly want to thank you.!

[@TafferBoyElvis]

Randy, how are we supposed to know when the video is over if you don't have a Roger beep at the end of your transmission?

[@IDF_Strong]

How are we supposed to know if the video is what..over?

[@michaeldavid6832]

@@IDF_Strong Roger.

[@corymollak2093]

Shirley, this guy is not pres, under over....over¿

[@not1word331]

What is your vector, Victor?

[@michaeldavid6832]

@@not1word331 I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

[@mattc2305]

Institute of advanced sardonic studies! LOL

[@roc8534]

Thanks again for keeping us informed

[@WatZ-In-Ur-Head]

The government doesn't like communications of citizens, that could undermine their iron fist of control on free speech and conveyance of information outside what they can control.

[@Skidderoperator]

EXACTLY. Control the herd.

[@centralfloridagmrs]

I think you might be overreaching a bit with that one. CB radio has been around for years.

[@freedom-is-not-free]

Agreed

[@ChristopherF_1971]

BINGO. That is why I will be canceling my callsign this week and asking the FCC to remove me from said list and get rid of information I gave fourth. I am getting a bad taste about all this. I will stick with CB /with Lower and upper SB. I do intend on keeping all my GMRS equipment though for use when sHtf.

[@WatZ-In-Ur-Head]

@@centralfloridagmrs As a Signals Veteran, I can assure you, my paranoia is well founded.

[@no1be4me2]

Thank you for sharing with us O great one...

[@lowtech67]

Thanks for taking the extra step and getting the rest of the story. Subscribed.

[@tittiger]

Isn't it wonderful to live in a country where an unconstitutional agency writes laws rather than congress? Not to mention that the system denies you trial by jury as guaranteed by the constitution.

[@grigorirasputin5020]

I agree. BATF is a pain, but what do they have to do with this?

[@65gtotrips]

Maybe the recent smack down of the ATF on the bump stocks could be a basis for bringing a case against the FCC; The bump stock case was won specifically because the ATF changed the definition of a rule without Congressional approval.

[@65gtotrips]

@@grigorirasputin5020 Because of what I wrote below.

[@Thuglas82]

I mean, the FCC was created by Congress and empowered with regulation and enforcement authority. That kind of negates the "unconstitutional" business. But more to the point - the rules aren't new, and there's plenty of legal options available for those wishing to do what was done here. This whole thing is so "I broke rules I knew about,but I'm still the victim".

[@stargazer7644]

An unconstitutional agency? Congress (you know, those guys in DC who make the laws?) passed the Communications Act of 1934 creating the Federal Communications Commission and charged them with overseeing and regulating telephone, telegraph and radio communications. Which part of that do you not understand?

[@DarkShadowCustoms]

Something smells fishy with the repeater custodian having a working relationship with the FCC agent.

[@josesnyder840]

Repeater custodian is a police officer

[@512Colorado]

There's a good chance he's in broadcast or commercial communications and his income depends on a good working relationship with Uncle Charlie(The FCC).

[@cozy659]

@@512Colorado Yep I’m one of those…NYC and Philly broadcast Markets

[@JadyGrudd]

Well shit... thanks to the commentators on this thread. Informative not politics bullshit.

[@billm.2373]

Great interview! Thanks for doing this.

[@warrentotheg]

This intro cracked me up. So glad I subscribed a while back to get this one. Nice shirt, btw! 😃

[@RedStripeMedia]

I'm glad this was aired out, I hope the FCC's Public Information Team releases something about this explaining the FCC's official stance on the topic. If the PIO doesn't respond in a reasonable timeline with answers, I will file a FOIA request as I personally believe the request for call signs to still be out of line for a Government Official to do (not illegal just unethical). I work as a tech repair guy I'm not a lawyer or legal scholar so if I said something stupid you know what to do.

[@drwheycooler8423]

"not illegal, just unethical" is the part of what you wrote that you should focus on when looking for ineffective thinking.

[@burtcale6055]

The request for callsigns from the individual does not have to be fulfilled, but keep in mind, the callsign belongs to the government.

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

It's already in the rules. You cannot directly interconnect a GMRS station with the telephone network OR ANY OTHER NETWORK for the purpose of carrying GMRS communications".

[@MrHyde-wv8wi]

This video is Much more informative than National Main Stream News. Big thumbs Up.

[@WorldMoneyWins]

Thank you for doing this Randy. Very good reporting!

[@scarlettprepper8080]

Thanks for the interview Randy

[@ericromano7703]

Friendly heads up and demand for user information don't mesh. Not saying Carl Bourke was wrong, but whoever at the FCC sent that email should probably stick to following their own processes.

[@RedStripeMedia]

This could be a violation of equal protection and due process. The issue is an agent potentially protecting a friend from enforcement actions that potentially other systems will be receiving is not Equal Protection. Requesting call signs may not be technically illegal or violate anyones rights but may be considered misfeasance by the agent. There is a lot to unpack here and the FCC needs to make an official statement.

[@davidkermes376]

it was not a demand it was a request. .and we all know how easygoing the feds are when they want something from the peons.

[@Walkeranz]

Maybe they don’t want to do all the damn paperwork.

[@PB30X]

Would like to add to a comment that was mentioned earlier about linking G.M.R.S. at a Luncheon meeting on January 25, 2024 in Harrisburg Pa. This is the video, picks right up at the question! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmepfXqilMpopNk Al Furlow is a FCC Field Engineer, there is NO gray area here folks.

[@k9policexj]

Very interesting... about a year ago I programmed a radio for a guy on Long Island. He paid to join a GMRS group and have access to their linked system. I'm glad the repeater owner and the FCC have a good working relationship. Hopefully they'll be able to find some resolution.

[@backwardog1]

Thank you for the follow-up with an eye witness.

[@dustytrailscactusron]

It really makes me wonder about the big national hubs that link up like this, like the Southwest Community Radio System (SWCRS) Could this be precursor to shutting them all down? Very interesting indeed.

[@AcmePhoto]

I'll bet the FCCs agent did a lateral transfer from the A TEE EFF's group, and is looking for a new dog to kick.

[@RisingTidesAC]

Good work and great video Randy! Thank you!

[@TheNotaRubicon]

Thank you!

[@toobalicious]

Thanks for going to the source and getting actual information out!

[@frisk151]

I legitimately subscribed because of your sarcasm and pointing out the high IQ respondents..

[@MattSadis]

interesting stuff, I only keep radios for emergency shituations...and well at work but we have encrypted channels there. here's a comment for interaction points

[@billchristo7894]

You ARE the man! Your humor is A+

[@thomasmoran9114]

If anyone bothered to read the rules, it specifically forbids the interconnection of GMRS repeaters. It's that simple, there are no conspiracies' or government suppression of your rights!

[@Huskrrrr]

Breaking news. Thanks for the update. Foxtrot Juliett Bravo!

[@lewy1]

Foxtrot Delta Tango

[@BravoBassin]

Thanks Randy for covering this I think this was a very important thing to cover considering the current state of affairs in this country.

[@jeffreyjones8032]

This was so good, I had to give it 6 thumbs up!

[@brianpayne5773]

Thank you so much for doing this video. Not sure where to go from here. Perhaps it's time to work with the government get the rules changed.

[@craigdavidson2977]

The problem as I see it is that setting up linked repeater networks require building skills and lots of channels. The GMRS service as defined by the FCC has neither. There are only 8 GMRS repeater channels and they can easily be filled up with linked repeaters broadcasting audio from users far away interfering with local users who want to use the channel. Also, GMRS licensees are not required to have any education in how to build or talk through a complicated linked repeater network. I'm guessing that the FCC will say "you want to build a complex linked repeater network? Great! That's what ham radio is for." My understanding is that GMRS is intended by the FCC to be a simple radio service with simple repeaters for people who just want to talk on the radio without learning all the technical details and taking a test.

[@Briumph]

Outstanding update! Thank you Randy for providing the opportunity to bring clarity to some of the important details surrounding this situation.

[@stalin200000]

if is clear Carl Bourke (WRTE329) IS INFORMO!!!!!

[@wrwp511robbie]

Thank you President Carl

[@Gumby1978]

Thanks for the clarification of this issue

[@dont4450]

ONCE ALL IS SETTLED, HOPE YOU KEEP US INFORMED

[@dalleth]

§ 95.1749 GMRS network connection is 99% clear that GMRS isn't allowed to link. The term "telephone connection" has, case after case been translated to ANY network, (not just the phone network), but also to IP/TCP networks since the 90s. The remaining 1% gray area is that they allow for: "may be connected to the public switched network or other networks for the sole purpose of operation by remote control pursuant to § 95.1745". But it's obvious that they literally mean remote control as in start/stop/adjustment/reboot, not linked communications. GMRS linked sysops have to be aware that they are working within nearly black and white language and just be hoping to ask for forgiveness and not permission. I'm not saying it's right or wrong - Should it be changed? Sure - But it's there in 99% black and 1% white. There's no real gray area here.

[@rhyoliteaquacade]

You are conflating network connection and telephone interconnection. They are not the same. The 2017 rules specifically carved out a provision allowing for network connection while continuing to prohibit telephone interconnection.

[@dalleth]

​@@rhyoliteaquacade Cite the rule.

[@dcon56]

Yes, FCC Part 95 can be amended to allow GMRS linked repeaters. A petition for rulemaking can be submitted to the FCC.

[@rhyoliteaquacade]

@@dalleth Many are as confused as the staff level FCC employees as to the new rules which do permit network interconnection (as opposed to PSTN) and the paragraph § 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses. (a) (8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station; Lets start with what is permitted, note the key word, "however": § 95.1749 GMRS network connection. Operation of a GMRS station with a telephone connection is prohibited, as in § 95.349. GMRS repeater, base and fixed stations, however, may be connected to the public switched network or other networks for the sole purpose of operation by remote control pursuant to § 95.1745. § 95.1745 GMRS remote control. Notwithstanding the prohibition in § 95.345, GMRS repeater, base and fixed stations may be operated by remote control. Here is the general prohibition, note the keywords "unless otherwise allowed". § 95.345 Remote control. Operation of Personal Radio Services stations by remote control is prohibited, unless otherwise allowed for a particular Personal Radio Service by rules in the subpart governing that specific service. See e.g., §§ 95.945 and 95.1745. Then there is that pesky scriveners error at the aforementioned paragraph § 95.1733 "Prohibited GMRS uses. (a)(8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station; " It is a scriveners error that dates back decades of revisions of the GMRS rules. I raised this question during the 2017 NPRN process and the FCC kicked it down the road. If you read the NPRM you will find my question and the FCC response, indicating they had no answer or time to resolve it. My take below: For history, there was a time when automated control (automated Repeater controller) was a new concept to FCC, (a similar concern in Part 97 also existed). The FCC required a "control operator" a human, to intervene and shut down the repeater if it malfunctioned or was misused. It was allowable in GMRS to use the PSTN for purposes of dialing the repeater and sending a signal to shut it down. But voice telephonic messages PSTN Interconnect, were not permitted. If you go back through the evolution of the rules you can piece this together. The 2017 rules magnify the problem by seemingly in conflict with this old rule, now permitting network interconnection. Detractors of GMRS interconnect. mostly "sad hams", try to leverage this erroneous prohibition to make a case against GMRS networking.

[@michael-n5zr]

It is specific to public switched network. There is NO mention of Internet. That which isn't specifically denied, is allowed. And no, ADSL is also not public switched network. It uses the same copper but it is not going through a phone switch.

[@TheGhungFu]

Kind of like when a cop you know gives you a warning and not a ticket?

[@richardcorwin1828]

Thank you!!

[@JoeFramo-uw9fp]

I'm back off of my long long vacation I am still subscribed to your channel

[@Telecomm_Guy]

I used to live out there... the NY area is flooded with SAD HAMS so I am willing to bet that is the origin of the action. ( not HAMS, but SAD and ANGRY HAMS )

[@UkrainianPaulie]

I like Ham. Ham and eggs.

[@dflynn2499]

You mean “Sad Hams” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@CaptainSeamus]

​@@dflynn2499to be fair, A does not negate B... sad AND angry.

[@Telecomm_Guy]

@@dflynn2499 I stand corrected ! 👍

[@radiohobbyist13]

GMRS has certainly stolen ham radios thunder. The crabby old farts have gotten what they deserve. 😅

[@Kevin_KC0SHO]

Great video, thanks for digging in to this event.

[@TheNotaRubicon]

Thank YOU!

[@paulyoungs7828]

Thanks for providing this info.

[@rjdgreek]

Great followup!

[@roc8534]

We will just have to stay on top of this to see if the FCC shuts down other repeaters

[@richardgrigsby6693]

Where I live, we have a large GMRS network, and as of 6-17-2024, the FCC updated the part 95.1749 GMRS network connection and included "Or other networks" to this rule. Is it possible that his friend with the FCC was aware of this change and gave them a heads up? Guess we will have to wait and see. :(

[@rhyoliteaquacade]

Wrong. Nothing has changed. I have in front of me the rulemaking from 2017 in the Federal Register. I suggest you read and pay special attention to the word "however", as however is important to note. It reads: § 95.1749 GMRS network connection. Operation of a GMRS station with a telephone connection is prohibited, as in § 95.349. GMRS repeater, base and fixed stations, however, may be connected to the public switched network or other networks for the sole purpose of operation by remote control pursuant to § 95.1745.

[@curtanthony9256]

Wonder how legal it is to give a heads up email to an associate,and if so why would they make it in writing and not just inform over a lunch date. Is there not a rule against information given on active investigation or does that not apply to minor stuff

[@cozy659]

@@rhyoliteaquacade correct.under95.1749 For the sole purpose of remote control. Not for linking repeaters together… linking repeaters together is considered a network hence not legal. I was at the fcc meeting in harrisbur*,PA And audio linking is the violation Period. All he had to do was disconnect the link and leave it as a stand alone repeater

[@rhyoliteaquacade]

@@cozy659 I was not at the Harrisburg meeting but viewed the video and nowhere did I hear FCC rendering any opinion on that matter. Provide a link. What I did hear was an FCC spokeswoman saying that staff opinions were not binding to rules.

[@cozy659]

@@rhyoliteaquacade To answer your question it begins with my friend asking the question on linking GMRS repeaters. And Al answers the question reading directly from the fcc rules. Starts at 1:12:40. You can use networks for remote controlO NLY. You cannot link to communicate.nthsts considered networking. I’m the guy front row infront of Al . II start at 1:18:30. My wife and are are both disabled with 2 small GMRS repeaters linked less than 13 miles apart using nanostations not even o the internet. Again he calls it networking under the rules it’s not legal period.i also brought up the NYC system that slams mine. Hence the reason for the two linked repeaters.. the discussion was also about the letter that went out a few years ago saying that linking was allowed. That letter was just an opinion of an fcc staffer it was NOT the rule… hence 95.1749 states or any other network” therefore linking of GMRS repeaters Is not legal. Unless the fcc changed that wording. Hope that explains it. Cannot be any more clearer.. good luck and no letter had to be sent to me to tell me stop linking. That in person luncheon was my warning.i happen to be a broadcast engineer. So yes I have a friendly connection on a first name basis with each of those fcc representives that were there due to my job. Here is the video of that fcc luncheon kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmepfXqilMpopNksi=dfb71aLQt8MAkXfH

[@patrickmooney6615]

You and I have the same T-shirt. Love your stuff.

[@deanproctor2690]

It would be nice to also hear directly from the FCC explaining which violations were the reasoning. We know the lists, but which ones?

[@Telecomm_Guy]

If they want a list of users, they need to submit a court issued subpoena.

[@johnnywood8082]

thanks Matlock

[@MrCobb-rq8iv]

more reasoning for us newbies to not register anything, nothing.

[@colonelkernal297]

He’s hanging out with the Keymaker from the Matrix.

[@JustTryingToInnerstandYou]

We are on GMRS to have independent communication and don’t have our own repeater and rely on primary networks. Real smart.

[@mwjii]

Great interview!

[@DanHORVATH-yi6cu]

Very strange fcc asking for names...why? Makes me wonder about Fast and Furious, under a certain person, who wanted to blame certain people, of gun running down in mexico.

[@Multicam44]

And the irony is that the 3 letter agencies are made up of a bunch of hypocritical law breakers, but as we all know, it's never a good reason to ever have them asking for names of any kind from you.

[@mikeogden5256]

Sounds fishy and like a move to switch over from the clubs current manager to a new for profit club manager

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Interesting interview

[@coreyayers7933]

I think the cellular company is just didn't like competition

[@MrPotatochips4]

William of Occam would've appreciated this observation. Not your first rodeo I'm guessing.

[@dcon56]

However; interlinked repeaters are permitted in the amateur radio service.

[@coreyayers7933]

@@MrPotatochips4 i'm not even part of the rodeo. i just know how Grapey and parasitic the government and companies are.

[@kj5fns]

I am an EXPERT and in my EXPERT opinion I just don’t know. 😊

[@REXOB9]

Thanks for doing this interview. Your interview questions were good. So many aspects remain suspect - the "working relationship" between the custodian and the FCC employee, unofficial notification that there was a potential rule violation, request for call signs. Why would someone with a substantial GMRS network just shut it down? Is there something illegal about connected repeaters?

[@TheNotaRubicon]

Connecting repeaters the way these were connected, according to the FCC, violates FCC rules, as mentioned in this video and the previous referenced video.

[@REXOB9]

@@TheNotaRubicon I'm not understanding what about the connection made the FCCs get mad at this repeater network, compared to other GMRS repeater networks. If you do a followup video on this and could find time to explain the illegality of the connection, I'd be grateful. Be sure to use short words and speak slowly for me ;-)

[@craigdavidson2977]

@@REXOB9 The FCC rules do not allow connecting GMRS repeaters to the internet. But the rule was written 50 years ago before the Internet even existed so the words are very confusing and normal people who speak normal english are not aware its illegal.

[@paulbunt1708]

Please keep us updated on developments.

[@TheSaint135]

*They're cutting the only alternative lines of communications in case of a disaster or armed conflict in that region. The question is, why now?*

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Not so! Internet linking would be among the first things to go in a SHTF scenario. All this does is free up those limited 8 pairs and 50W simplex channels for local area use, GMRS' intended purpose. Hearing ratchet jaws blathering about nothing on the other side of the state or the nation is not conducive to local area comms.

[@SocialistDistancing]

If it comes to shtf, the rules won't matter.

[@grigorirasputin5020]

@@SocialistDistancing True!

[@nebraskarooster9244]

It was probably political discussions that the 'custodian' of the network didn't like and so had his friend at the FCC draft the email so he could hide behind that as a reason for taking down the network.

[@LatitudeSky]

Five bucks says you're right. This has all the stink of a falling out and a ball being taken home. Honestly, the club should never have been in a position of relying upon someone like that for courtesy access. They should have had dues and paid for their own equipment and sites and yeah, it's probably not cheap. On the other hand, this other person was also paying for it somehow. There is always a bill to be paid.

[@randykitchleburger2780]

Only clear thing is they don't care about the users

[@ReyesJim]

I Concur!

[@webmastercaribou7570]

Rules are there for a reason. Hopefully, the FCC will notify him as to what must be changed. You all have call signs, a federal license, and the FCC has complete oversight authority.

[@cowboy6591]

Why do I think a "SAD HAM" is behind all of this?

[@RKingis]

Fr!

[@etubcsegg]

That's what I was thinking. If so, I hope they get maximum prison time or fines so big it bankrupts them!

[@slopsec2358]

I'm curious how this (New York) network is different than the one that goes across the entire country from coast to coast? Is that one going away next?

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Hopefully, it and many others will go away very soon.

[@slopsec2358]

@@grigorirasputin5020 I'm curious why you say that? I mean... why do you care? What is it you don't like about it? As for me, it's not for me, not something I'm interested in, which is why I don't use it. But at the same time, many do use it and enjoy it, and it doesn't effect me. I simply choose not to partake in it.

[@grigorirasputin5020]

@slopsec2358 Hi! As I have said many times, on GMRS we only have eight channels on which two vital tasks may be performed; repeater operation and 50W simplex operation. You could conceivably have three or more repeaters and/or 50W simplex (base/mobile) systems operating in one town, on one channel, and not have them interfere with one another so long as the operators of each system demonstrated common courtesy and consideration for each other. If one of those repeater owners decides to add a link to a regional, state, or national, network, the whole landscape of that channel is suddenly changed. Now, you will likely have chatter from other parts of the state, region, or nation, coming across the linked repeater (or in the case of simplex and too poor or lazy to do a repeater, "node"), on a very regular basis throughout the day. Unlike the relatively infrequent use of the channel by local repeaters or 50W simplex operations, the linked operations coming in from elsewhere will be unable to listen for other traffic in your town before transmitting. People dozens, hundreds, or thousands, of miles distant will likely as not be communicating on one or more (if more, via the link) repeaters and inevitably, you will have the equivalent of CB "ratchet jaws" on there flapping their gums for lengthy periods, unnecessarily tying up the frequency in your town and rendering said frequency useless for any activity other than listening to the ratchet jaws talk. Most likely, listening to those ratchet jaws talk about nothing pertinent or important to anyone in your town is not what the repeater and/or simplex operators in your town invested money in radios for. This is a common situation in areas where you have repeater (or simplex "node") operators who somehow think they are doing this great service to GMRS in their area by sharing the "ABC Linked System" or the "XYZ Network" with the locals in their area. This is not what GMRS is for. It is for local (local can be 5, 50, 100 or more miles depending on terrain and station setup) comms between family, friends, and others. It was not created so people who are too lazy to get a ham license can pretend to be hams and talk across the nation on a system (VOIP) that is no different than what you do whenever making a call on your cell phone. The linking is annoying and poor stewardship of frequency spectrum on ham also, but at least on ham, there is enough spectrum to handle the traffic. On GMRS, with only eight 50W simplex/repeater channels, there is not.

[@slopsec2358]

@@grigorirasputin5020 Wow... That was a mouthful. I agree with you. If you want to talk across the country, or across the globe. Get your ham licenses. GMRS is not intended for this. I personally am not fan of this linked GMRS system. I have a ham license for that, which I rarely use in that manner. The last time I felt the desire to 'ratchet jaw' with strangers was a very short fad I went through back in the early 70s on CB radios.

[@N4XLD1]

So why are you a ham? That what the service/hobby is about or are you a disaster junkie and like to feel special?

[@ChristopherMeath-mq8be]

Randy just an update on the 3 repeaters being affected by this issue. The covert 725 Repeater was shut down as I stated in a previous comment I posted. Sense then we are searching for a new sight to set up the covert 725 Repeater. The alliance Repeater is doing the same and have actually placed 2 one in Lockport and one on Syracuse. The covert 725 crew has created a zello channel (aftermath725) and we are staying in with each other and have ran a net on our normal day and time 7pm on Tues. Zello is not the answer for what we want but is getting the itch scratched till we find a suitable Repeater sight. Wish the alliance success and please pray to baby zanadu we locate a sight

[@TrevHolland]

Interesting that he brought up rebroadcasting police frequencies. If someone did that on the repeater network, that's probably enough to get it brought down. If the custodian had a deal with their club, they may have had deals with other clubs. Someone was fucking around on there. lol

[@centralfloridagmrs]

Well, Someone on my Zello Channel made that claim the day after it shut down. The user was from New York. It was also posted on Facebook. I have no proof this is true and I regret posting about it with no evidence to back up that claim. . I just wanted everyone to know what I was being told. I did heard it from 3 different users that day but that still isn't proof that this was going on. I wish I never posted it online however.

[@LatitudeSky]

Some goofball with no creds or evidence said that in a YT reply, but that doesn't mean it happened. People imagine sh all the time that never happened.

[@randykitchleburger2780]

How could you possibly be responsible for your user's actions? You cannot control what is transmitted on frequencies that are allowed to be used by other licensed users. If this were the case, we would have no repeaters in Los Angeles because all I hear is jamming and music on the ones nobody uses.

[@centralfloridagmrs]

@@randykitchleburger2780 During this conversation with Randy we didn't get the details on how the system was actually linked.

[@sixstringforge]

I’m wondering if this is connected to the fact that this is a simulcast system and not a traditional RF inked repeater. If so it is likely lined with a service outside of part 95e which would be a problem. Many of us who interact with the FCC regularly will receive an email or phone call if there is a an issue as all they are interested in is resolving the issue. If the initial contact fixes it then everyone is saved the headache of getting the enforcement department involved. On a side note, many of us who pay our bills with this stuff have long thought that linking GMRS via the internet and allowing access to the system via ZELLO is a violation of 95.1749 prohibiting interconnect with a telephone. Personally I could care less, but this is the same rule that prohibited phone patches on GMRS. That said, other groups may be contacted soon if this issue has made it to the commission’s radar… All that said WTF is pres potato head doing in the picture behind you? I’m pretty sure public isn’t the place for that sort of stuff…

[@re-dacted.]

Why does Carl have so many doors behind him.

[@CzechDog2022]

To store all his Baofengs

[@rmann6171]

His mom is Carol Merrill...?

[@lacrossed55]

He's into repeaters

[@krivolavek]

Maybe a game show?

[@agrahazl]

planned escape routes for when feds come knocking. You saw what they did to that guy in Georgia, can you imagine what they'd do in NY. Oh my, going to need more flash bangs, emp devices and wire snips. FCC agents on a tear, need some headlines for that new budget proposal. Lets Go.

[@roberttinsley551]

I just watched this video and from what I have digested it seems like there may have been some discussions on that system that the FCC had monitored and were actually against FCC rules and regulations.

[@kevinfaure5588]

Someone needs to do a FOIA request

[@va6gkthaskey311]

Part of the issue......it is New York 🤷‍♂️ the local gov were not profiting from it so it shall not continue.

[@RickBelt]

No tax, no business!

[@va6gkthaskey311]

@@RickBelt ahh but gmrs repeaters are not a business. 🤷‍♂️

[@TomRolfson]

Is the FCC trying to get the mass numbers of GMRS users to come after them? Talk about kicking the hornet's nest...

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Looks like they are just finally enforcing a good rule that has been long neglected.

[@WichitaFallFishKeeper]

Good content

[@TheOcculus]

When Feds, state, county, & local LEO "request" information they're on a fishing expedition. If they had a warrant they'd knock down your door and take what they want. I would retain an attorney immediately. I'd also comply with the request to shut down immediately. I would request a paper copy of the shutdown order and turn a copy over to my attorney. The attorney would likely ask for that. Without an actual warrant I wouldn't turn over any "requested" information without direction from my attorney to do so. It would be worth knowing what brought the repeater network to the Feds attention so that others can avoid similar Imperial entanglements.

[@jlmmag72]

I love it! Advanced sardonic studies. lol 😆 🤣

[@josebrivera1716]

All repeaters should be stand alone. No connecting them. If people want long distance communications they should go to HF. The intent of VHF UHF is short distance communications. GMRS needs to stick to its boundaries.

[@jeremy-ex9yk]

go away sad ham

[@grigorirasputin5020]

​@@jeremy-ex9yk Why should he go away when he is right?

[@MVBriscoVolante]

@@jeremy-ex9ykgo away unlicensed prepper cook

[@josebrivera1716]

@@jeremy-ex9yk I think that term sad ham to be a way of not arguing a point. Instead one is called a silly childish name. Just say you disagree.

[@Jeffersonian1975]

Wow, the arrogance of the radio elitists.

[@jameswilkinson6678]

We have a GMRS network of linked repeaters in my area that has a weekly net hosted by a whole panel of on-air "personalities" with multiplexed microphones. It sounds like a commercial FM morning show. It doesn't surprise me that this kind of GMRS network is catching the eye of the FCC. I don't think we need a world where mailing $35 to the federal government lets you host a talk radio show spanning multiple states.

[@dronographyllc3549]

Repeaters are usually linked by RF. Linking by internet makes it similar to C4FM , system fusion, or any of the other "digital" systems used by Ham Radio operators.

[@craigdavidson2977]

What you just said is a very popular misunderstanding. C4FM is a form of digital modulation over the radio. It can be tunneled through the internet but that was not the original intent and is not required to link over the internet. There are three popular analog ham radio voice-over-the-internet linking systems in use today, echolink, IRLP and Allstar. All three of these networks work with analog radios not digital radios such as C4FM.

[@ThePugdaddy21]

This has a funny smell to it. Kinda like a middle aged balding white guy who still lives with his mom and runs his Junior G-Man radio club out of his mom’s basement. I can hear mom calling him now from the kitchen upstairs. “ Junior your Pop-Tarts are ready!”