HAMTAG: Top 5 Napoleonic War Games from Bonding With Board Games

[@PhD777]

The three best: #3.Napoleon from Columbia Games! Still have copies of 1st - 3rd efitions! copy! Still love it! #2. Napolen at War, SPI (1975) - a simple yet superb quad-game that really conveys the feel of the battles as described by participants and better historians. #1. Napoleon's Last Battles - Designer's Edition by Kevin Zucker, SPI 1976, with the Command Magazine counter variants (more "historical" and less "balanced/gamey") - a masterpiece of elegant simplicity, where timing, use of terrain and allocation of forces is critical! It's truly a fabulous game - especially with the aforementioned counter variants! Did not care for CnC Napoleonics - too many historical inaccuracies derived from regurgitated hearsay and lack of research. Sold it within a week.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great information and great list Phd. Thank you.

[@Suvorov928]

Empires in Arms is easily my number one. That game has it all. Huge strategic management, diplomacy, tactical battle picks, multiple rounds of combat, morale system, economics, trade, leaders that influence battles, cavalry pursuit after battle.....I could go on and on. Such a great game.

[@carrickrichards2457]

This is helpful and thank you for the interesting commentary too. 5: The Napoleonic Wars (GMT), Stratego, Command and Colours* (GMT) 4. Waterloo (Treefrog), Bloody Monday (Vinto Nuevo), W1815 (U&P) 3. Napoleon* (Columbia), Sails of Glory (Ares), Maneouvre (GMT) 2. Fading Glory -quad (GMT), Napoleon* (Columbia), Napoleon's Triumph (Histogames) 1. Command and Colours* (GMT), Wellington - The Peninsular War (GMT), Wooden ships and iron men (AH)

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Carrick

[@richardcole5872]

Richard Cole Good viewing guys! Thanks as always! Quite a few others that are good Napoleonics but don't get a mention: 1) Empires in Arms, AH, Warfare & Diplomacy; 2) Borodino, Columbia Games, Tom Dalgleish et al; 3) Napoleons First Battles, Decision Games; 4)Napoleons Last Battles Quadrigame on Waterloo, TSR (originally SPI); 5) Napoleon at Leipzig, The Battle of Nations, Clash of Arms Games, Kevin Zucher; 6)The Great Redoubt, Borodino, Yaquinto Publications; 7)A whole series of detailed Napoleonic games from Clash of Arms Games Volumes I to VI that I have eg La Bataile D'Albuera - Espagnol (Vol IV); 8)Campaigns of Napoleon, West End Games; and lots of great magazine games: 9)Thunder at Leutzen S7T no 99; 10)Napoleon at Austerlitz, The Wargamer No 17; 11)Napoleon and the Arch Duke Charles S&T no 114 and several other in this series. Check some of these out.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

It's hard to keep the number at just 5 but that's also part of the fun. With three of us you get a pretty good spread of games and we all have our different levels.

[@charlesrowan1978]

Refreshing totally refreshing. Thank guys. please keep up the great work.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Charles!

[@jonathantownsend3724]

My top five - 5. The Gamer's Napoleonic Battle Series, I've playef Marengo and Austerlitz. 4. La Bataille, old school rules version eg. Vauchamps. 3. Zucker Operational eg. Habit of Victory, 1809, etc. 2. Wellington's Victory. Sure you can empty your best units into a pile or swarm of skirmishers, but watch the cavalry eat 'em up. Excellent game. 1. Napoleon's Triumph - for a really nail biting battle of wits. It is hard to get but that doesn't mean you can't get to play it. Even on vassal. I would not actually distinguish them by ranking, it depends on the need of the moment.

[@gregschmittgens1262]

Agree about the ranking here basically being The Flavor of the Day

[@josephvalvano829]

Wellington’s Victory is an AWESOME game!

[@WojennikTV]

The Napoleonics era is one of the most interesting. So much games to play set inside it!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

I have a hard time getting into Napoleonics for some reason. Bart

[@CastelDawn]

way too much games about waterloo though

[@douglaspearson4853]

I was putting in the AC's while the wife had the Create Channel on and Travels with Darley was on, Anyway she was in Belgium and she just happen to go to the town if of Waterloo and showed what it looked like today. The Battle field was pretty much untouched as it was under Gov protection. Natural the town was modern but the farm house and the field looked the same. There was also a huge hill with a lion on top but when you get to the top you see a great view if the battle field. As this was a PBS show you might be able to see this ob KZbin. I would love to see this in person as I am a huge Napoleonic's fan.

[@freddieyu]

Love your lists. I've ordered Manoeuvre due to past videos and am really considering Napoleon the Waterloo Campaign 4th edition as well!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Fernando. You'll enjoy the 4th edition. Bart

[@thenostalgiafactor5023]

Hell yeah! HAMTAG just in time for my hour long lunch. Nice planning, Bart!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

HAMTAG is watching you...Is that jelly? ...with a British accent..

[@thenostalgiafactor5023]

Bonding With Board Games Yes it is. Now bring me TAMHAG!

[@flaviusbelisarius3240]

Some people actually prefer the 1st edition of Napoleonic Wars because they do not like the changes that were made. I was a little shocked that Stratego made this list but I did some research on it and well, its basically a light wargame. Not a bad gift for a young lad!

[@gregschmittgens1262]

The main improvement in second edition Nappy Wars for me is that taking keys of minors counts good for the conqueror but doesn't count against the controlling Power. If France takes over a Turkish key (in a pact with Britain), it just feels better to me that France gains, but Britain can basically write it off for no effect. YMMV

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Long live Stratego...strikes chest in Roman salute...

[@don6538]

Sam Elliott played General Buford, and his famous line from the movie is "Damned Fine Ground".

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Yes. Loved his performance

[@philhatfield2282]

My top 4 Napoleonic games would be (because I haven't found 5 I really enjoy) 4. Command & Colors: Napoleonics 3. Napoleon in Europe 2. Napoleon's Last Battles (the old quadri-game) 1. Empires in Arms

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Phil.

[@flycasual2976]

Napoleon 4th from Columbia is gorgeous (foil stickers) and AWESOME! Just got it and played for the first time last night. My wife enjoyed it too. Support Columbia games, great company!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Those foil stickers are really nice.

[@gkrockover]

A better title for the list would probably be "Top 5 introductory Napoleonic era games". A more comprehensive list needs La Bataille, NBS, Wellington's Victory and any number of the Zucker games in it IMO.

[@laserprawn]

For anyone looking, U&P just said yesterday on FB that they'll be re-printing W1815 sometime after their next games are published.

[@gregschmittgens1262]

Sweet. Thanks for the info

[@klauszoidberg999]

I missed the classic Wellingtons Victory and Empires in Arms and the newer Hexasim shooting stars Napoleon against Europe and one of the Falling/Rising/Last Eagles series. Rest was good.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Klaus. What are your top 5?

[@klauszoidberg999]

1 - Rising Eagle, 2 - Napoleon against Europe 3 - Fading Glory/Napoleon 20 series 4 - C&C Napoleonics 5 - Napoleon - TWC 1815 thanks for asking. I am always fond of watching your vids and comparing our both favorites.

[@davea136]

Love your work guys. How about Top 5 British Imperial Wars?

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks David. Good idea but I'm not sure I have played 5 of those

[@JPFalcononor]

Oh man, mentioning the West Point Atlas of American Wars makes me realize that I have not given my copy a good look through in many years. I need to reacquaint myself with those fine books!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

I need to look into these

[@JPFalcononor]

Bonding With Board Games My set is a two volume coffee table book size stored in a slipcase which I procured sometime in the 70s. I am sure they have reprinted them over the years.

[@antoyal]

Napoleon 4th Ed. sounds really cool! It would be neat if the terrain on the strategic map affected the distribution of terrain blocks on the tactical map. For example, if the battle is taking place in a hex that is predominantly forest, then the you'd be more likely to draw forest terrain on the tactical map. Still possible to draw the others, of course, just allowing the strategic level terrain to adjust the odds. I wonder if that would be too fiddly though.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

The little green blocks are a nice little fog twist

[@gregschmittgens1262]

I agree. That was my main concern with what I heard while we were taping. Yes, occasionally troops would stumble into unexpected terrain. But if the terrain was too favorable to the Defender, it seems like they would go around rather than engage. JMO but it affects my feelings for the game.

[@mikeleese6694]

Very interesting. I've played La Bataile de Moscow at my led club in Stoke-on-Trent in the UK. As the table was 18 ft. X. 6 ft.. We had plenty of room with 6 players per side. Utter chaos! I've also played 1814 Napoleon at Bay by Kevin Zucker the AH version. The battles were. Fought on the table with miniatures. As I no longer live near a Wargames club I have to play solo. I miss the company, but I still argue with the enemy player, me. This is a bit worrying but no one. is plotting against me yet ;-) Mike Leese. North Wales . UK

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great comment. Thanks Mike.

[@douglaspearson1647]

Some of the games not mentioned I like are La Bataille Series, Struggle Of Nations, Triumph & Glory and War & Pieces.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Douglas, always like your comments.

[@douglaspearson1647]

Saying I am a fan of Napoleone Bonaparte is not the right word but I have a huge fascination for this amazing man. The Struggle of Nations: The War of German Liberation game is close to me because my (Mothers Side) grandfathers grandparents were married in Leipzig.

[@generodek7469]

While an interesting episode with some fun games, I was disappointed to see Kevin Sucker's OSG games with just a mention and no discussion of Clash or Arms or Marshall Enterprise's La Bat Series. AH's War and Peace with it's updated version. My top 5: 5) Fading Glory - GMT (but most of the VPG Napoleonic will do. Decent intro games to Napoleonic warfare. 4) War and Peace - Strategic contest with good scenarios. Have not tried Version 4. Campaign is difficult for the French 3) Napoleon at Leipzig 5th ed- OSG. Kevin Zucker's Series on the Battles of Napoleon in grand tactical level bring this original games from the 70's to a 2015 form. Cards, approach to battle and a set of rules that will cover some 80+ battles. 2) La Bataille des Quatre Bras - Clash of Arms - Beautiful games the focus of the tactical level of play. La Bat QB is a good introductory games to this series which gets into monsters such as Waterloo, Borodin and Leipzig. 1) Napoleon at Bay -3rd Ed - OSG. Kevin Zucker's Campaigns of Napoleon Series. Beautiful system that focuses on maneuver, supply and concentration of force in attempting to defeat your opponents will to fight. Gives the big picture of the campaigns. A great game and a great series.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Creating a top five list can be tough. Not everything’s going to make it in

[@dubarnik]

I fully agree with you. My conclusion at the end of this was "Top 5 Napoleonic War Games from guys who know very little about Napoleonic War Games." For those of us who know and love this genre, all the best titles were left out of this video.

[@johnsakelaris7]

The hobby's' emphasis on multiple-player strategic level games leaves two guys wondering what to do. Which strategic level Napoleonic game can best be enjoyed on a two-player basis?

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

A majority of the games we mention are two player games.

[@ErwinLau]

Reviewing past episodes after the HAMTAG Lite trigger. My top 5 Nappys are: 1. Napoleonic Wars 2. T&G Series 3, C&C: Napoleonics series 4. Library of Napoleon series 5. La Bataille series

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Erwin. And great to have you on board.

[@juddvance7721]

Days of Glory (Frederic Bey)'s system would probably crack my top 5 now.

[@Darthvegeta8000]

Age of Napoleon (light strategy scale - entire war), Napoleon Against Europe (heavier strategy, entire scale), Waterloo: Quelle Affaire! (tactical level with bluff mechanism) and Field Commander Napoleon (solitaire campaigns) are games i'd definitely recommend. If you want to put your teeth in a series i'd recommend the 'Jours de Gloire' series for single battles or the 'Jours de Gloire Campaign' series. Especially 'Jours de Gloire' for a good simulation of battles using the same system over and over. It is just map and counter based. Nothing fancy. But finetuned over what may now be 2 or more decades. Superlight and semi abstract i'd recommend Manoeuvre from GMT Games. For a lighter series Fading Glory and the Napoleon20 system are excellent.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Ronald

[@AndyP998]

Great as always. Greg mentioned 45:50 war&peace series made in 70s. Well the new series is out and has been among my top 5 miniseries ive ever saw. Check trailer and buy it if interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fl6ldKCLmq14a8U

[@gregschmittgens1262]

Actually the Bondarchuk War and Peace from 1970 wasn't a miniseries. It was just (?) a six hour movie. Kinda like four hours of Gettysburg or Gone with the Wind.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Checked it out. Visually stunning. That looks awesome.

[@johnsakelaris7]

I think you are referring to the 1970 movie Waterloo, starring Ron Steiger, with action scenes filmed in the Soviet Union, as thousands of Soviet soldiers dressed up in 1815-era uniforms for the Waterloo battle. Loved the aerial shots of the cavalry charging the squares. Bondarchuk did make a War and Peace movie in 1968, also stunning, but with no Waterloo battle.

[@gregschmittgens1262]

You correct, sir. I got my Bondarchuks confused. He directed both War and Peace and Waterloo.

[@jamescameron1337]

And sadly it's not 6 hours but just 2. Still, one of the most remarkable depictions of Napoleonic battle ever put on film.

[@vonholdinghausen6886]

LOVE :) I can recommend "Napoleon Against Europe". Great game.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Nice. Thanks von Holdinghausen...

[@TrevorJust]

Now my 7 & 5 year old want Stratego Waterloo and I want Napoleon’s Triumph

[@gregschmittgens1262]

Sounds like a good compromise. 😀

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Lol. The Chief speaks to everyone's inner child.

[@TrevorJust]

Now my inner child wants Scotch

[@douglassouthwell2088]

I get a mention as that guy, lol. You need to show up more to game night Bart. Doug

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

True Doug, very true. My job shifted and through things off. However my son Beau is getting into games and expressed interest in the groups game night. Yeah!!!

[@marthos1]

My favorites, dont Have a order. Napoleon Battle Series - Talavera, Napoleon Triumph and Lá Bataille

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Marthos.

[@e-4airman124]

Bonding with Board Games is the best!!!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks E-4

[@scarecrow2885]

Judd, what's so funny at 14:12? The way he pronounced Borodino? You look like you were about to pee a little. Nevermind, answered, LOL.

[@juddvance7721]

I suck at pronunciations. At my work, we had a bunch of Canadian (Quebec) dealers visiting, so I bring in A Few Acres of Snow and Wilderness War and set the maps up on a table. Some of them wander by and I say (knowing the answer), "Do any of you guys speak French?" And then I proceed to learn how to pronounce the names of the locations on the map.

[@bradford2177]

HAMTAG! I'm also a war gamer. I'm subscribed, I've liked, and I'm almost certain that I've never missed a single excellent HAMTAG episode.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

BOOM Brad. Preach it brother...HAMTAG!

[@johnsakelaris7]

I am starting to get back into historical wargaming after years away from it. So pardon this question from an old guy: How does the 1980s Avalon Hill game Empires in Arms rate among those in the hobby now? Why didn't it get into the top five list of HAMTAG? I always thought it was a pretty good system.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

A couple things John. It can be tough to narrow any list down to just 5 games...but that's part of what makes it fun. There are 100's of war games (if not thousands) we can pick from for our Top 5. Then each of us is a bit of a different type of war gamer. I really like this part. I (bart) am very much a lighter side of war gamer. I see Greg as more of the Grognard and Judd is a bit of both with some wild and crazy whimsy thrown in. And I've never played Empires in Arms so it wasn't going to make my list. Nothing against the game it is probably awesome. We pick from what we know and hopefully its fun and entertaining along the way. Great comment. Keep them coming and good to see you getting back into war gaming.

[@johnsakelaris7]

Fair enough Bart. Any others who have played Empires in Arms are welcome to give their views on that game, of course. Above I will make a separate comment on a problem in strategic Napoleonic games.

[@ErwinLau]

John Sakelaris I hope this comment is not too late. EiA is still highly regarded. However people have less time to play now and becomes less patient to wait for other player’s move. I would not put it into my top 5 list too as I have not played it for like two decades. Napoleonic Wars, a CDG by Mark McLaughlin of War & Peace fame, has become the go-to game in our gaming group as far as strategic game goes.

[@clipsolo]

Hey HAMTAG, how about top 5 small footprint games? How to get the game on with half as much table space? :P

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Not a bad idea Jani. Thanks for commenting. We love the interaction. A new HAMTAG is ready for me to edit...I just need to find the time and get it posted.

[@davidd.3213]

Napoleon's Triumph rules are obscure

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Bart has not played that one

[@princeofmoskova]

General John Buford was the Union commander you boys are talking about at Gettysburg.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Boom! That's it. I love that guy. Thanks Prince!

[@Conflict_Boardgaming]

Not a big fan of the era, but I love me some C&C Napoleonics!

[@gregschmittgens1262]

IMO that's what makes a good game - if it transcends the subject.

[@TyphoidBryan]

Just played a Martin Wallace game this week. Test of Fire: Bull Run 1861. Neat ideas within, but we ended up disliking it overall.

[@juddvance7721]

I agree. It's good for one play. It doesn't have that cool Euro-thing going on. It's just dice placement roles, like War of the Ring. There is a Shiloh game where a seasoned wargame designer took this model and added on to it and made a much better game. Not sure I'd recommend it retail, though. Get it in a Pay it Forward or a Trade.

[@TyphoidBryan]

Good thoughts! I'm actually keen on the dice placement, so I will be doing some research on the Shiloh game. Also, thanks for the tips and the response!

[@juddvance7721]

There's a Vassal module for Shiloh if you ever want to take it for a test drive to see what it has.

[@ermj1986]

Great Episode. I have played quite a few series. For strategic I like Age of Napoleon by Mayfair/Phalanx. Not overly complicated, cards, flavor etc. I have played Napoleonic Wars too. Empires in Arms: unpunched. I have played Zucker's stuff. Napoleon at the Crossroads is a 2X design. Operational level, kind of like what Greg describes. Also have Habit of Victory, and some of the Days serie, but haven't played these. The NLB (Napoleonic Library Battles) is also Zucker material. It is quasi-tactical, but there is no facing, reminiscent of the SPI/Decision Games Napoleon's Last Battles. I am collecting these. Maps are stunning. I have played most of these. Richard Berg has some tactical in The Triumph and Glory system (GMT) These do have facing, but I like Zucker's NLB better. The Gamers NBS (Napoleonic Battles Series) is similar to the Civil War Brigade series. written orders etc. The most recent rules version that came with Talavera (free pdf on the website) are A-1. I haven't tried LaBat and probably won't.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

But have you tried Stratego Waterloo? 😉

[@jamesbrazeal3847]

First 5 min. Star wars, Seinfeld, and, Napolean. Wow.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Boom! Judd is bringing IT!

[@sergeantrock1]

the dreaded hamtag effect!

[@juddvance7721]

Tell me about it. The second Greg said W1815, I thought "I have about 6 weeks to get it." I turned over every rock. FAIL. Now it ain't gonna happen unless they reprint it.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

We could call it HAMTAGed.

[@sergeantrock1]

Exactly. I've been looking for that game too. But thanks to Greg, if i do find it now, it will cost me an arm and a leg.

[@helgaratbone1691]

Napoleon at Bay is worth the investment. Better with other player than solitaire.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Ratbone

[@revoltanimation8957]

Napoleon total war is the best no lies

[@ScotchTestDummies]

I believe you

[@andrewmcdonald1166]

Another great episode as always. Napoleon era history and games are not high on my list but you guys always make whatever the topic interesting. Love that Stratego made the list. One of my favorite games playing with friends and still play with my wife and daughter. My daughter who is now 13 actually enjoys playing some wargames because of Stratego and is a big history buff. Also not sure if in the video it was said but the genera'sl name was John Buford and this was the quote from the movie you guys were referring to kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn2bY317hs2Md9E

[@gregschmittgens1262]

They never mentioned Buford by name, but I silently mouthed his name to the camera while Judd and Bart were talking

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Andrew & I saw Greg silent talking a message to the illuminati or his merry band of Grognards. 😃

[@SaxonChronicles]

Napoleon's Battles by Avalon Hill

[@flycasual2976]

HAMTAG!!!

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

HAMTAG!!!!!

[@grumblesa10]

Vento Nuovo = New Wind; IIRC this was a Kickstarter game.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thank you

[@TreiDeA]

5 - La Garde recule!, 4 - Fading Glory, 3 - C&C Napoleonics, 2 - Napoleon's Triumph, 1 - Field Comander: Napoleon.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Great list Andrei

[@peezebeuponyou]

"Vinto" is Italian for "won". "Vino" is "wine". Just saying.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Cool. I like both of those.

[@colinspeirs]

It's "Vento Nuevo", new wind

[@jackdempsey4258]

good p9dcasts]

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

Thanks Jack. More to come.

[@beausabreur1759]

These are parlor games, not wargames.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

What do you mean? What is a parlor?

[@jimsmith7445]

Judd... interesting games... how much were the expansion armies? Greg... hadn't figured Maneuver into my buy list, but I'll have to look at it. Strange that none of you picked the DVG Napoleon game (amazing!), the AH block Napoleon game, or AH's "Waterloo", which might have been basic but strategic to play. Somewhat surprised that Chief didn't pick Marengo from Pub Battles... interesting. Love the top 5's... maybe a topic?... Top 5 games NOT associated with the BIG WARS... Crimean War, Russo-Japanese War 1905, Seminole War, Reunification of italy (Garibaldi, 1859), Asian Wars, First Nation Wars, Boer War, Mexican-American War, etc.

[@juddvance7721]

I had the DVG game but traded it. I think most folks consider it the best of the Field Commander games, but I actually prefer Alexander. That's because I'm not a big Napoleon guy. But the Napoleon DVG game had a better combat system than the Alexander and Rommel game. I got two of the expansions for $27.50 at GMT's fall sale. I got another one for Christmas (probably the same way: my wife gets me P500 games and qualifies for the fall sale half price). I got another on Amazon for $45.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

I have yet to play Marengo from Pub Battles Jim. I do have their Brandywine game on my table as I type this however. Chief.

[@jimsmith7445]

Ok... not a big Napoleon guy either... that's why I only have two games on the subject. Good enough.

[@jimsmith7445]

Must be my mistake... thought you had played that Pub Battles game... loved those reviews... wish they weren't so expensive.

[@alanhejnal3112]

Never have I seen the pinnacle of wargaming treated so poorly. This is the age of warfare that defines tabletop games. Wood blocks, Stratego? Please....even your best are fine games but not worthy of being on your show.

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

It’s simply our lists. What our yours?

[@spocksleftball]

Lost me at stratego ...

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

It’s a good version. Different but kind of how Legacy changed up Risk.

[@war_gamer]

Come on guys... I'm sorry but really?

[@BondingWithBoardGamesRPGs]

What's your list?

[@AndyP998]

Eagles in france series is said to be quite good

[@robs5688]

Borrodinnoe. LMAO.