Hamza Tzortzis understanding Sikhi with Jagraj Singh. Speakers Corner

[@rajsingh9271]

Jagraj Singh who is the sikh speaking in the video has unfortuanltey passed away now

[@minhajpallath9917]

I am Muslim. I always find him a very decent person.

[@malmalhi007]

he was a good human.

[@imtiazibneibrahim6556]

Raj Singh what r u saying😓😓😓😓

[@malmalhi007]

he passed away on the 20th July 2017

[@snake1mi]

I'm sorry to hear that. I've seen him in other videos, never met him in person, but he seemed like a very decent guy.

[@CoachZahabi]

Hamza is truly a rational human being.

[@aranyasaha7801]

Ya,he is.yet he doesn't know what PI is!!

[@saifdevdas7656]

@@aranyasaha7801) He is a certified liar who hides the mischief in his holly book.

[@arjunreeves]

You should watch his proof of god talk, then you'll know for sure ..

[@yusufislam9886]

kingogkingswoodz go look Noah’s ark on mount Judi. Quran says it landed on mount Judi.

[@yusufislam9886]

kingogkingswoodz yeah today’s society is so moral that men think they’re women. Very moral indeed

[@harkeeratdate2015]

Guru is the Scripture. Experience the Guru with your eyes and just see how special he is for yourself.

[@gamingarea9011]

Not a satisfying proof

[@Clown_fighter]

@@gamingarea9011no you just don’t get it you look for proof we look for experience

[@gamingarea9011]

@@Clown_fighter Yes I look for proof.

[@Clown_fighter]

@@gamingarea9011 yeah as jagraj explained you won’t get it we’re not trying to prove we are saying experience then make up your own mind

[@gamingarea9011]

@@Clown_fighter I don't want to get it. Because your proof is not legit.

[@Khankf123]

Great Ustaad Hamza. Quite rational, calm , straightforward, patient and easy to understand. May Allah grant you all goodness in both the worlds.

[@sunnytoor1902]

bhai Jugraj cave analogy was spot on!!!! Sikhi is on another level!!! 🙌

[@namaloompakistani1768]

Just some cherry picked quotes facts and figures. Not realistic or convincing

[@youkeisesshomaru2878]

@@namaloompakistani1768 You keep telling yourself that

[@ninjaman2254]

Sikhs are highly respected all over the world 😊

[@sajidmahmood4238]

This Sikh brother is normally very cool calm and collective. I think brother Hamza broke him down very easy with his questions, Hamza made him realise he was the one who was going round in circles

[@mj897]

it became a subjective arguement agree to disagree so predictable with 2 strong respective believers. did u expect any other outcome. but good decorum and etiquette

[@ftclakshjatt7420]

He had cancer during that time.

[@khalidyar]

hamza is just on another level of intellect ..MashaAllah May Allah give him more Barakah in his thought process .

[@SAR_AJ]

May grant my brother in Islam Hamzah a long life full of good deeds. So patient and logically sound. Māshā'Allāh!

[@MrFazyx]

brother hamza and his manners when shiki was talking over him may Allah reward his patience

[@ravindersingh6540]

Mr Fazy its sikhi nt shiki...if some one wrote moslum ..nt Muslim then ? this is the problem with u all. u don't want to listen anyone. Allah is good .he is prophet may be. .BT why u people have problems with other religion .u enjoy u faith. we do ours. BTW jagrag Paaji...rip. we love u always. baba g mehar Karan..

[@abuamanah9176]

@@ravindersingh6540 Are the Gurus God also, according to Sikhism?

[@freesoul8025]

@Sophie Khan Islam and Christianity don't have spiritual experience as Indian religions has like hindu, Buddhism ,Sikhism they have very long history of civilization and practices don't act like you are superior you just got your pedophile prophet 1400 years ago to wage wars and spread cancer(pisslam).

[@youssef5263]

Free Soul: that’s an absolutely stupid point, Islam didn’t start with Mohamed, Islam (peace) is believed to have always been, since the dawn of time. We believe in Adam Moses Jesus Noah and Lott (lout), Allah also says that he sent down hundreds more that where not named, most of wich where misinterpreted and then formed the other religions we see now, we believe that indeed a prophet might have been sent to those aisian countries you’ve stated, you can’t just arrogantly say your religion is the only truth based on the fact that it is old, I find the way you says Islam was only 1400 years old and comes from a “pedophile prophet” very ignorant. As I’ve already said, Islam started from the dawn of time, with Adam and Eve, way before your guru’s came along

[@youssef5263]

Free Soul: on the topic of pedophile prophet, getting married at a young age was normal in those times, just to prove my point, the legal age to get married 100 years ago in Britain (let alone 1400) was 7, the prophet married her to save her from i slavery from the pagan Arabs who persecuted her from a young age. Your manner of speech is very offensive, I will however not respond in the same way, I hope you come to your senses and actually do research on things you don’t understand, rather than cherry pick things and talk about them with little to no contextual understanding.

[@gualtieris8860]

Love to see brother hamza tzortzis

[@mj897]

he has more time now he as unsubscribed to ashley madison

[@gsingh5617]

+mj897 omg😂

[@vicachcoup]

Yes our sikh brother, if you have no rational arguments then why not resort to being bitchy.

[@gsingh5617]

vicachcoup so if rationality measures God....then God is within the scope of Rationality.. Lol.... Then dnt sing god's praises that he is "Akbar"..... Worship rationality😂

[@vicachcoup]

Gurdit Singh Who says that rationality 'MEASURES GOD'? Please explain your logic.

[@fuadmahmood7801]

Look how humble the Muslim was compared to the Sikh man this is how the prophet Muhammad pbuh told us to act

[@mingy9309]

Hamza is Greek (all parents none Muslim) and he only become a Muslim within last 10 years or so. Most Muslims of other 'stereotypical' Muslim countries are not we reasoned and polite!. Even though I disagree on many of his reasons for Islam at least he debates with academics generally politely and with a reasonable attempt.

[@408stony]

You need to search on YT Hamza and prof. Hoodboy. You have a bias against non-Europeans.

[@tanveersingh5423]

look at the other muslims......this is a first video in which a muslim is calm....check out ali dawah video with this sikh man....and the related videos...you will find out

[@jayd4ever]

I don't think he is actually Greek

[@nshaf4090]

Islam is perfect Muslims are not

[@egb5627]

Alhamdullilah for the guidance Allah has blessed us with...Some people are taking the long road, but the destination will eventually be the same. May Allah guide all of us.

[@megamanxcold5]

Haven't seen Hamza in a public discussion in a very long time

[@mj897]

he was busy with the Ashley madison website. he has now unsubscibed.

[@megamanxcold5]

mj897 it's a hoax it wasn't true.

[@mj897]

of course he would say that. he deleted tweets when one lie led to another. his arguement in an final announcement was that someone found all his details on the internet hacked his bank account from australia while he was there at the same time without his wife (even from the same hotel ipaddress) and made him a a member for just under a year whilst he did not realise that he was paying for it. then they hacked thousands of other accounts too and released them all including some very famous and important people just to get at him and young preacher. it was only by chance that some was shifting through the hack many weeks later that they stumbled upon hes previous greek name and exposed him. but you can just believe that was a hoax if you want thats upto you. Im happy that people can see the good in people, and ignore the bad stuff

[@megamanxcold5]

***** You mean the Aronra that blindly believed from another atheist that the bones in the fetus form before the flesh or at the same time from PZ Myers, when in actuality it's the flesh before the bones like the Quran says? Yeah Aronra is definitely reliable and he was in the public sphere even after that debate with him, it's probably because of the Ashley madison lie that was spread about him. Hamza was lazy in his research before and would copy directly from other apologists but he's corrected his methods and I'm glad to see that he's back, and btw before this he did appear on the LDM KZbin channel.

[@megamanxcold5]

***** you mean with false pre-conceived notions that were spoon fed to AaronRa by PZ myers even though scientifically he was false?

[@salmanmemon1000]

My respect for Hamza just skyrocketed after this video. Beautiful adab & patience in the face of a person who keeps interrupting and throwing in redundant 'arguments'. May Allah bless him and increase him in Ilm and grant al firdous. Aameen

[@Rogue_Console]

hamza came to speakers corner!!! I can't believe i didn't come today :(((

[@blackbritish309]

But muslims believe in flying horses

[@boxingmonthly]

And u believe God had a SON who he MURDERED for the sin of someone else!

[@barrysmith9433]

your ancestors were forced to accept islam by the sword. the same can not be said about the christians or any other faith.

[@Rogue_Console]

Balihar Singh there's a reason you're not in speakers corner spouting this rubbish, rather you're in your bedroom hiding behind your computer screen.

[@mj897]

keep christians do a good job and finding people when they are vunerable, even briding people when they are sick with medicine, still happening openly in india and accross the world. only eduaction of sikhism amongst sikhs will help at the moment it is very poor jagraj has started and i hope it gains speed amongst others

[@davidjones3048]

The Sikh guy is so cool love his video's on Sikh basics. These Muslims should try to learn rather than put hate comments.love Sikhism so beautiful and makes sense how can one fault it.

[@suhaylali2917]

David Jones hahaha troll

[@UltimateHibz]

I like this Jagraj guy very straight forward

[@xxXsoundtrackerXxx]

I would love to see brother Hamza come to speaker's corner more often! Even though I understand that he is busy man...

[@colelife5092]

MashaAllah Hamza and the team are in speakers corner 😃😃 I hope they debate atheists and so happy they attended..

[@abumuhamedaleealansari7811]

As salaam alaikum islam-sikhism.info bro Abeeda refute the Sikh belief system

[@purereflections6009]

Me too, I would love to see a live interaction with Hamza and an atheist

[@colelife5092]

+Refuting Christian Apologetics nice I can't wait then. 😊😊

[@abumuhamedaleealansari7811]

Gurtaj Sodhi well if your claim of ultimate truth then criticism should be expect.. if you attack the Islamic sources then a return criticism is a must ..... I see the sikhi doing the same thing using Christian apologist argument to criticized islaam

[@topcat6841]

watch videos by masked arab. forget atheists, try and just keep muslisms muslism. Islam is shit!

[@smtouheed3863]

Hamza tzortzis is handsome as well as a logical Man.

[@Amardeep661]

im a sikh and i think hamza is a logical guy im sorry jagraj but hamza is right you need to support your arguments with proof but you failed to do so and you are the only sikh preacher we have what a sad outcome for sikhism! if i was listening to this video i would side with the muslim because he spoke with logic and proof

[@ltchyface]

watch the video lool

[@jayd4ever]

he supports science in quran

[@jayd4ever]

are you really a Sikh or a Muslim trying to fool people hamza didn't say anything convincing

[@bajoo]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa Simple. Look at his account. He is clearly a sikh. Reading your many comments throughout this section shows me that you have some issues that need addressing. Ofcourse paranoia is one of them.

[@jaspreetsinghkhippal9989]

fake account with a indian sikh name

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

dang Hamza is an Intellectual heavyweight .. mashaAllah ^^

[@qamarhmed2095]

RIP Jag raj... You were so nice person 😭😭

[@ninjaman2254]

Sikhism is growing really fast 👍

[@majorpremise]

This was a nice exchange between two sincere devotees. Sometimes the problem is language itself. Language is limited and the ideas they're attempting to covey to one another is vast. Sometimes one can because frustrated or flustered. Many of the folks posting ego-filled comments below could learn a thing or two from the humility of these guys.

[@MohammedAli-di4ke]

Marshallah brother hamza may Allah bless you and help your deen and knowledge to expand futher...first guy I see who has dismantled this guys belief...you are in my duas brother hamza keep going..definetly needs a part 2 awesome

[@mj897]

dismantled he started the video saying hes knowledge of sikh was almost nil. so there was a lot of basics to be covered.

[@malmalhi007]

it is obvious the Sikh won the debate. Ty 79Sarwar for being so honest and brave in sharing this video.!!!

[@Mw2ManDeMz]

Lmao no it's not... Are you a Sikh or something, because you definitely must have been looking for a reason to make him win. This rude Sikh who never lets anyone speak only ever talks about experience, he doesn't even attempt to prove Sikhism is the truth all he says is sit down and experience it then you'll know. You must be deluded just like him.

[@malmalhi007]

would it be more gratifying if i were a Muslim.

[@malmalhi007]

Hamza was not able to prove Islam...If you can then let me know...Our religious teachers all were giving the divine message of the Almighty with no contradiction. They practiced the message they were enlightened with. history shows they were without ego.. 30 million Sikhs make a bigger impact on humanity than 1.3 billion Muslims.

[@raju53]

people experience a lot of things, it does not make them true.

[@TheRavenshurst]

yep, some people find the whole experience of listening to music wonderful but that doesn't make the composer of the music a guru or a god

[@ballshippin3809]

Some people also follow desert scribblings and believe that an insecure war-mongering god created everything because the desert scribblings say so. It doesn't make it true though

[@GurinderSingh-om8ld]

Only those experiences that have validity and have universal values could be accepted rest be discarded....Muhammed saw angel gabriel in a hira cave was his personal experience but unfortunately that can not be proven nor have any validity and can not be applied today ,so would be discarded.

[@raju53]

+happs 85 islam doesn't relay on experience, it is a part. you misunderstood, In fact you didn't understand what hamza was saying.

[@GurinderSingh-om8ld]

abdullah al mahmud If experience is just one part then what is the other thing that completes your faith?

[@Gurpreetsingh-sj5jp]

Sikhism Is pure ... Ultimate truth Guru granth sahib ji. .. waheguru Bless u all

[@brownboiii1451]

Gurpreet singh if Sikhi was ultimate truth why does it say all paths lead to god I'm an ex Sikh btw

[@Gurpreetsingh-sj5jp]

@@brownboiii1451 U r fool Brother ... Take Care i dont have time to explain u ... Follow basics of sikhi ....i Hope waheguru Bless u ...

[@brownboiii1451]

Gurpreet singh I was born to a Sikh family but now I am Muslim

[@Gurpreetsingh-sj5jp]

@@brownboiii1451 great you will get 72 hoors in heaven 😂😂😂. I Said u r fool because the question u asked me U Must ask before u leave sikhi ... Sikhi Need Brave people Not Like u .... May Allah Bless u fool ...

[@KD400_]

​@@Gurpreetsingh-sj5jp don't insult him just because he changed faith.

[@somanoma6465]

Actually purple has a distinct wavelength that is why Hamzah corrected him by saying the experience of purple but he didn't get it

[@mj897]

but what you see in your mind how your brain relays that information to create an image can all be different. for example if i put your eyes in my head the image may be completely differnt but as long as we call it the same thing (purple) it is irrevelant as we all agree on what it is.

[@adnanmehmood.constantprogr5019]

thats the thing you dont focus n accept the colour but wondering in image

[@realsoulja]

Hamza schooled and countered the sikh in his own field of Philosophy. This obviously irritated and angered the sikh a few times.

[@realsoulja]

***** Ask your mother and wife then let us know. All the best.

[@jayd4ever]

he didn't

[@eillaar9670]

How?

[@marlo8456]

Lol stop lying

[@thesingh588]

in which way? Humza was destroyed by jugraj

[@bikramdhillon9950]

Hamza believes in the tawheed and Jagraj has experienced it and that’s the main difference here, Its like being a chemist and learning about alcohol and understanding all of the science behind it and knowing the affects of alcohol - this is one part of epistemology where you use reason and logic (Hamza & Tawheed) Then there’s someone who drinks alcohol and has a first person experience of it, this is experiential knowledge - (This is Jagraj Singh experiencing Tawheed)

[@diefaust4252]

You are claiming that you can prove someone else hasnt experienced first person experiences. That's a claim Prove it.

[@dm_1236]

They don't want to prove their faith because it is from "experience." But Islam is an all encompassing faith, it feeds the intellect with rational and logical proofs, it feeds the soul with experiences, it feeds the body with prayer and scientifically proven prescriptions.

[@zozouzid]

Can you see the fear in Jagraj's attitude? He is in denial before listening to anything !

[@thesingh588]

what lmao hes litterally explaining the basics how is he in fear

[@panj-abiinunitedarabemirat1577]

He Himself created Himself. He is His Own Father, He is His Own Mother. He Himself is subtle and etheric; He Himself is manifest and obvious. O Nanak, His wondrous play cannot be understood. ANG 250

[@anambeg3475]

He is not the creator 😂😂

[@raziadeel2426]

Most illogical statement

[@arvinderbhangu8373]

Guru nanak is explaing about god. Hes not talking about himself

[@DoF0001]

@@anambeg3475 he’s not talking about Guru Nanak

[@ragmann203]

Hamza is the man mashaa Allah love this guy

[@sunnytoor1902]

Gods light shined like a beam when Bhai Jugraj shared his knowledge, love and compassion to all.

[@irfanjusic5717]

Thank Allah swt, our religion is based on pure evidence and not just faith. If we did not have clear evidence from God then anyone would be able to make their own religion to believe. God would never keep humanity in blindness. That is why God has sent Quran a guide for all Human kind.

[@zacneymar]

not necessarily pure evidence since we still rely upon faith cos there's not evidence for the angels yet we believe but the evidence we do have is strong enough to give us a platform higher than other religions

[@irfanjusic5717]

If Allah tells you in Quran there are angels and Quran is the evidence then there must be Angels. God does not lie. Quran is the word of God in that there is no doubt.

[@zacneymar]

Irfan Jusic you've utterly missed the point bro/sis,if the quran said Angels are true, can you find evidence in the natural world that can direct us to them? No hence why the belief has to come and there is many things in islam where we don't why we do it but through the submission to allah and the belief in him we do. I can give many examples.

[@zacneymar]

Irfan Jusic or for example the proof of the hellfire or jannah, we lack the natural evidence for it but the quran bring logical evidences and proofs to verify it is from god then..... The quran is our evidence through the belief we have for it to be from god do u understand me? No arguing tho akhi/ukhti

[@irfanjusic5717]

If Quran is proven to be the word of God then what ever is mentioned pertaining the unseen world it is truth. Prophet saw, He have seen Angel Gebrail so did many sahabas. I do not need to see Angels to believe and to know they are real. If God says they are real then they are. Unless a person does not think that Quran is from Allah. Then that kind of person needs to analyse the scripture if it indeed the Quran is the word of God. To us muslims it is easy to prove. The proof alone is not enough for those who are ignorant. Guidance from Allah is needed.

[@143gurmukh]

U guys a lucky to meet bhi jugraj singh

[@annatar6453]

29:04 Checkmate

[@fayyazhilal]

Lots lots lots lots of respect for Hamza.May Allah bless u n ur family n friends. u had him in the last.

[@neogeo5032]

the muslim guy won this one by a mile sikh guy needs to stop using emotion as an argument it will always be broken down by rational arguments.

[@harkeeratdate2015]

Sikhi is preserved and miraculous.

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

This sikh dude is very disrespectful, it's clear from many of his videos that he has some sort of emotional issue with Islam which probably stems from past geopolitical events. Brother Hamza wiped the floor with him masha'Allah. Check out the following website from a Muslim brother who deals with Sikhism: www.islam-sikhism.info/

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

Gurtaj Sodhi //there are many verses in quran which says to kill non believers , beat women // They say it is better to be ignorant than to be three times ignorant, because when you're ignorant you're just ignorant but when you're three times ignorant you're ignorant, you're ignorant about the fact that you are ignorant and you're ignorant about the fact that the person who taught you is also ignorant. If you really think that Islam has no framework with guidelines concerning warfare and domestic issues and that it promotes anarchy and chaos then you need to get educated //unscientific verses like semen come from between backbone and ribs.// You seem to be suffering from an extreme case of intellectual constipation. Concerning what you're referring to then here you go: www.hamzatzortzis.com/q-a/is-the-qur%E2%80%99an-inaccurate-concerning-where-sperm-comes-from/ However, here's some advice: understand what science is and what the Quran is before commenting you dimwitted troglodyte. The Quran is composed of ayat (signs) which are meant to awaken the Fitrah, not give us a lesson on physical phenomena. When the companions heard the Quran they were humbled and they reflected upon their purpose of life (i.e to worship God alone through submission to Him in our everyday lives), they didn't say "oh I didn't know that!". Secondly, you're romanticised and perverted understanding of science as being some sort of linear accumulation of knowledge is not only juvenile but has been debunked for a few decades now. Science works in paradigms. Study the works of Thomas Kuhn to understand.

[@jayd4ever]

he was not former Sikh no Sikh has become Muslim some Christians thought

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

Gurtaj Sodhi goodbye, but here's some advice for the future: don't start conversations which you can't finish.

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa what?

[@lewis72]

"he has some sort of emotional issue with Islam" - The issue is with Islam. It's a shit religion. I get an emotion when I hear muppets rattle on about the shite religion that is Islam.

[@LazloSavon7]

Hamza so cool , smart ,,poised ,calculated, thorough, autonomous , rational and so vigilant of these data infested obscure angles that expose the gapping whimsicalness and impulsivity of his opponents.

[@uncreator3607]

Good job Hamza i think shabir yusuf need to talk to him aswell. we will see who is the nice guy then lol

[@MuhammadAhmad-yg1hh]

offcourse he has got health problems heis sick oh sikh

[@jasjyotsingh2007]

@@MuhammadAhmad-yg1hh no wonder people like u prove my point and the point of many others

[@DawahMotivation]

Ustadh Hamza is being too nice!

[@ninjaman2254]

Sikh guy is highly educated 🙏

[@sunnytoor1902]

Bhai Jugraj is a warrior of Knowledge and compassion!!!

[@amourringinton120]

Jay Smiths like "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZAAAAAAAAAAAAAZE!!"

[@alibeatz2170]

The biggest problem we have as muslims is when the Sikhs make the gurus divine in nature, from the Islamic point of view that Shirk attributing partnership with God.

[@mj897]

we believe we all have god within our hearts, we just need to connect with in him. the gurus we believe freed themselves of there ego. This is similar to sufis that have been round since the earliest days of islam

[@alibeatz2170]

+mj897 Majority of Muslims disagree with Sufis, as there practices go against Islam, there may some Sufis who who are in line with the sunni sect of Islam, however Sufis do practice some bizarre things. And making the human Devine is a big crime in Islam, that is why throughout history man thought they were God, but God sorted them out.

[@gsingh5617]

i ll try to explain once... a tide in the ocean is different in a sense from the ocean, at the same time it is a part of the ocean too... it comes from it & goes back into it.... one needs to work his head around it..ifukwim

[@alibeatz2170]

+Gurdit Singh I've heard of this argument before but still, this idea leads to corruption in the heart of people. What do we know about this Universe, the big bang theory states that all matter at one point was compressed to smaller than an atom. Which leads to the understanding that the Universe came out of nothing, so no need for God to be part of the creation. Deal with that.

[@gsingh5617]

Jakir Ali lol...so Islam believes science created universe? Not God.... Good for u😂

[@panj-abiinunitedarabemirat1577]

In speaking, in seeing and in words, remain immersed in the Shabad. The Word of the Guru's Bani vibrates throughout the four ages. As Truth, it teaches Truth. Egotism and possessiveness are eliminated, and the True One absorbs them into Himself. Those who remain lovingly absorbed in the True One see the Mansion of His Presence close at hand. ANG 35

[@muhammadnasrawangolra2112]

We need to understand each other. good attitude of getting closer understanding and fair argument

[@boshirmh007]

islam gave the world enlightenment and european renaissance, and that just dont come from experience but logic and rationality, which islam is way ahead of all religion, becuase all religon only talk about their own experience, but cant talk about science or rationality. islam is spiritual as well as logical, and thats what you call a balanced reasoning.

[@gurdeepkaur7252]

the full video is up on basics of sikhi

[@XaeeD]

I've listened to this carefully, and the sikh was severely outmatched. Hamza brought up some interesting points and asked some relevant questions, that the sikh couldn't answer. Now that's not to say that his religion doesn't have those answers, it may just be this person not having the required information/insights. But as he's there representing his faith, it looks kinda bad to be honest. I could sense him getting frustrated a bit towards the end, which comes from a place of inability. Hamza cornered him and he had trouble finding a way out. Like Hamza, I do appreciate his preachings about experiences and such, but Hamza is absolutely right in saying that there has to be (for most people at least) something more than that. The reason for this should be obvious; as the sikh can have his own experiences that affirm sikhism, the christian experiences the holy ghost, the hindu experiences this, the muslim experiences that, and so on. An outsider, hearing them all out, is going to remain in doubt as to whose experience ultimately is pointing towards truth. This is problematic especially because all of the conclusions of these experiences exclude one another. So for instance, the christian will, in the final analysis, claim that whatever path the sikh is following, will not lead him to salvation, as the christian beliefs differ from sikhi beliefs. So regardless of their lovely experiences and beautiful preachings, and I don't mean that sarcastically, but those aside: how does the outsider know which underlying truth-claim (that comes out of those experiences as a conclusion) would be true? They can't both be true at the same time as they contradict and exclude eachother. So they're either going to be both false, or one of them could be correct. Just them telling you about their personal experiences won't do as such, nomatter how convinced they are of them. They're going to have to explain to the outsider, rationally, why their respective beliefs would make more sense than others. The sikh in the video is actually trying to get rid of that exact aspect of the discussion: he doesn't want to talk about that. It's not so much about rational argumentation, as it is about true experiences, he claims. Well, the hindu can say the same, the christian can claim the exact same thing. That doesn't get us anywhere. So when you say: "this person here is my spiritual and moral leader because I believe he is a good person, and this person is know telling me what the divine wants of me", then that's nice and all, but unless you can explain to the outsider, rationally, why they should simply accept that, without going on and on about some experience that YOU may have had, then there's nothing to differentiate your beliefs, or your guru, from the beliefs of somebody else, or their shaman, or whatever. And so we leave that aside, we don't accept that. That's not us (muslims) questioning your sincerity, and we aren't putting down your spiritual leaders, it's merely a rejection of the criterion that is used, and specifically a problem we find in certain other criteria that are not there, that we think SHOULD also be present, for us to at least consider it.

[@XaeeD]

"You have not at once consider what their holy book says but blabbered on what the discussion is about." Well that's what my comment was about: the video. Not about "their scriptures". "Sikhs do not believe in submission to god but do a much higher connection with god, its dharmic faith not submissive." Ok.. "However they follow orders/revelation from their guru that makes them sin free" Following the guru makes you enter paradise, got it! "..so whats wrong with what they do" I don't know, wasn't discussing sikh beliefs. Was just commenting on the video.. "And do you know why you worship according to quran - i will tell you" Thank you for asking me that question and then answering it for me, lol. "And how are you a better then them?" I never claimed that I was better than anybody. What an empty reply..

[@anthonyw9129]

This man has died of cancer I've heard

[@jiwanjotsingh438]

U think u will be able to understand God with ur rational mind ? U r limited bro.. and ur brain is also limited .. it's only God's love and Grace that can open ur internal eyes to see and experience God.

[@harpreetsingh-ir7qg]

You need to watch every videos basic of sikhi

[@somanoma6465]

Actually this guy (the Sikh) puts the clips on his channel with very misleading titles

[@spoolindsm127]

Soma noma You're right, I've noticed the same. He'll speak with Muslims then use a title that implies they were so much more impressed by it than Islam that they might now be doubting Islam. Doesn't realize that Islam has taught us to be respectful to all people regardless of faith.

[@scentsofawakening8631]

I guess we will have to wait and find out

[@jayd4ever]

Islam doesn't teach that

[@jayd4ever]

what is misleading about his title

[@somanoma6465]

Baji Scipio Dārayav Aurelius Julian Venizelos Nalwa not this title but the ones they put on the sikhi's channel

[@juwairiyaha.7160]

19:20 he realized his argument had no basis lol.....

[@youssef5263]

juwariyah abdus-salaam : who’s argument had no basis?

[@raziadeel2426]

Youssef I think the Sikh guy

[@youssef5263]

bRAZIl oh ok

[@Magicman786R10]

Sikhism is based on subjective experience. It cannot be measured and examined by non believers.

[@DrXoz]

HHHAAAAMMZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA nice to see you

[@anthonyw9129]

This man has passed away I've heard ..he seems like a good person

[@kkkeremmmbjk470]

I think Jay smith should be banned from speakers corner '-'

[@johnsmith9610]

He has said he's moving back to the US.

[@purereflections6009]

+John Muslim you're right, after he retires from his job

[@Rogue_Console]

as much as i find Jay Smith annoying, banning a speaker will go against everything Speakers Corner stands for...

[@Alternative_views]

you cant ban anyone from speaking and expressing in speakers corner. just let the ones you disagree with make fools of them selves or expose them selves as liars

[@saracenoperationtawheed-mo3074]

banned on the basis of noise pollution .

[@rsk00000]

It finally clicks for the juggermeister at 29.20. Just goes on and on about experiences

[@gsdstart6907]

I love u brother hamza tzortiz. They will accept islam in sah Allah

[@iqbal8807]

Funniest comment on youtube ☺️🥳

[@iqbal8807]

The real Quran by Mohammad Sahab was eaten by a goat.The Quran u read now wAs written 50 years later after Mohammad Sahab passed away.

[@lisagreen1860]

Amazing mashaAllah Brother Hamza had a very profound, intellectual reasoning and argument to put to the sikh brother ......

[@jbudwal]

Lisa Green I respect Hamza. The Sikh guy is really good at lectures. I am not Muslim myself.

[@SkinnyMali]

The whole Sikh religion got exposed in this video.

[@lost_poet_]

He knew he was in big trouble 15 whole minuter later after finally understanding brother Hamzas point, when he said " thats a good question"

[@Adi-gh9du]

the reality is the sikh dude is too rude, hamza gave it to him. that how do you know with evidence your guru is true.

[@jayd4ever]

he said with experience

[@abdula16]

yeah but how do u know what you're experiencing is true. you know you're experiencing something, but so does everyone else. hamza is saying how do we put our experiences to the test and see which is true. the sikhi then replies with "more experience!"...ok!?

[@gsingh5617]

one cannot blame the blind man if through his "lenses", he cannot see the sun... The sun is still there

[@abdula16]

U don't necessarily need a pair of eye to know that there's something called the sun that's visible during the day...one shouldn't need to put on a "sikhi lenses" in order to know that Sikhism is true, because in that case a Christian or a Buddhist could tell u the same thing, and you would have no way of disproving THEIR experience. Experience itself can not be a rational prove for what you're experiencing...may God! Where your reasoning!?

[@gsingh5617]

+Flexies Mohamed dnt get so bamboozled, its simple... it just works...😇 A- "how do you know the Jean fits you good".. B- "i just tried it on once,it works and fits perfect,you just try it once,whats the harm? A- no no no!, tell me without putting it on! U may be lying! How do I know? B- Good luck with your life!👳 Period...✔

[@saracenoperationtawheed-mo3074]

Sikh is doing a lot of waffling, not allowing hamza adequate time.

[@jayd4ever]

he was suppose to listen it wasn't a debate

[@satheeshsundaran5188]

Its not a competition, happening here. People are trying to seek God in their ways.

[@khalidbinwalid1124]

Is it allowed in speakers corner to shout like jay smith if it is then i suggest that muslims should make takbir and tahlil and tahmid for allah you get hasnat and make sure he doesn't do it again!

[@khalidbinwalid1124]

Refuting Christian Apologetics no i mean the eid takbir the long version not the short one

[@malmalhi007]

yah, send out a Jiuhad patrol to shout Jay Smith down!!!! lol

[@yorksfolly1255]

you know its heating up when u hear the word no

[@saracenoperationtawheed-mo3074]

Sikh needs to relax ... it's like he likes the sound of his own voice. he thinks if he keeps talking people will forget the point .

[@jonsnow808]

It's Muslims who need to relax because you people don't even listen to your own Pathetic arguments ..Rather you try to force your ideas on others.

[@mj897]

Saracen / Operation Tawheed - Monotheism hamza started the discourse by saying he knows nothing about Sikhism. But jagraj has already heard of hamza iera islam and Muhammad so who do you expect to do most of the discussion?

[@saracenoperationtawheed-mo3074]

hence why he thought. . if one keeps waffling, points a addressed will get over looked.

[@saracenoperationtawheed-mo3074]

I thought they were engaged in a dialogue , so hamza can understand sikism ..

[@jayd4ever]

the Sikh is teaching the Muslim suppose to listen

[@Ggcxgdgdgete244]

Brother Hamza you are doing well. MashaAllah

[@az4830]

Sikh guy method: try to impose his own ration, use his own logic. When he starts losing, or can't answer the questions then speak over and insult the opponent. plus speaks about divine love and divine experience but I feel a lot of hatred in his words. Not feeling the love. Very bad manners

[@lDeath489]

He is following fitra, but the issue is that without a real objective source from ALLAH you won't be able to protect this fitra or clean it since you won't be able to know what's right and wrong objectively. That's why fitra is not enough for him, he have to believe in Gurus sources but the issue is that Gurus experiences cannot be confirmed if it''s from ALLAH or not since they don't try to prove it so even if it's teachings are nice and have many truths they still don't have a "filter, a real solid source from ALLAH to back up their belief".

[@lost_poet_]

S Al that is an amazing reply!

[@lDeath489]

Thank you ^^. I did write a little bit more but i am trying to provide shorter yet strong points so that most people don't ignore discussing with me, it is like writing 10 pages then shrink it to 1 page without losing any points from these 10 pages. Still need to apply this method in a better way(a lot in my mind is missing). Pray that i achieve it >.

[@jgill2589]

s AL give me objective proof of islam

[@lDeath489]

j gill What do you mean by objective? You mean it like this?. Objective information is fact-based, measurable and observable. Then i will say quran is an objective proof. You can check it, study it, test it, confront the challenges that it provide.It claim to be from an all knowledgeable entity that created us, it provide arguments for that claim, it provide challenges. Accepting it or denying it after understanding it is another question.

[@panj-abiinunitedarabemirat1577]

Come, dear friends, Saints and companions: let us join together and sing the Glorious Praises of the Inaccessible and Infinite Lord. Those who sing and hear these praises are liberated, so let us meditate on the One who created us. ANG 104

[@wizman619]

will there be part 2 brother

[@79Sarwar]

+READ ME - I think ajDeen will have the rest of this debate. Keep an eye out on his channel.

[@DrXoz]

I cant find his channel akhi can you give the link please?

[@purereflections6009]

+Xoz eXoz just search up London Dawah Movement, but it will take a couple days for the video to be released

[@SamAndSanah]

+Xoz eXoz where is the part 2?

[@DrXoz]

SamAndSanah Brother Aj_Deens video /watch?v=pTPTCGELIfw

[@didem1024]

Can you put automatic subtitles please?

[@winistan]

this sikh goes full on defensive mode and starts insulting subtly whenever someone puts forth a few questions to him. I've seen him do this to various people.

[@mqb5151]

a very calm and peaceful non patronising debate.

[@Boxing_Baig]

The Sikh is getting annoyed that Hamza is too intellectually advanced and the Sikh can't keep up. You could hear it in the Sikhs voice he was getting rude to towards Hamza. Sikhism based on what this guy said makes no sense. I like how Hamza whether directly or indirectly made that oblivious to us viewers through his questioning.

[@m0rhis528]

Hamza sir was Masha Allah very patient

[@nonstop9907]

I think instead of most of you arguing who is right Islam vs Sikhism, why don't we ask the question, who most non muslims think they can live more peacefully alongside in the long term? my money is on the Sikhs, I don't see indication of them trying to convert me, or kill me because of refusal to pay a certain tax just for being non muslim. I don't get how muslims cant see this perspective from a non muslims viewpoint, obviously Sikhism is a better religion for everyone getting along together despite having different beliefs.

[@armanhanda]

I'm personally very pleased to see that the human beings of today have started to give so much importance to the truth!! we are becoming a race of seekers!! up until a few decades ago nobody cared to talk about God and truth with so much passion!! even though this is a debate of sorts..at least an immense amount of energy is being spent towards seeking the truth! in the past this was never the case..people only debated with such passion about things like political, sports, economy,etc. with gods grace..at least the focus of the human race is shifting to substantial questions!! when you seek the truth the truth finds a way to reach you!!

[@DawahPosters]

29:05 - And that's when the penny dropped for Jagraj Singh...

[@rabindersobti]

"How can something as great as divine fit in any objective tests, the tests that are themselves limited by the restrains of our senses and their perception". The experience of divine is far beyond the prediction capacity of any objective tests.

[@jayd4ever]

the Sikh won if this was about defending

[@awaishussain1601]

Lol no way he wasn’t answering any questions

[@thesingh588]

@@awaishussain1601 cause the questions are dumb

[@BraveHeart-bm2wc]

I wish i can attend this corner in order to debate people...my religion is perspectivism..

[@jayuk9786]

Rip Jagraj ..great man ✨✨

[@panj-abiinunitedarabemirat1577]

All happiness comes, when God is pleased. The Feet of the Perfect Guru dwell in my mind. I am intuitively absorbed in the state of Samaadhi deep within. God alone knows this sweet pleasure. ANG 106

[@supremercommonder]

Sikh guy whole argument is based on emotional argument keeps attacking not allowing hamaza to talk he gets offended haha

[@kama1104]

love sikh people they good folk!

[@jjjayjay]

As someone who has had patience with the Sikh guy in terms of conduct, reasoning and method of preaching, appreciating his style and listening intently to his arguement and even being just and fair in the face of my own Sikh friends who heavily criticize him. He's disappoint me and many I believe in this video, he came across as 3 things : 1. Arrogant - he assumed he knew the argument and questions he would face and hence told the opposing side to finish quickly because he gets it and even stopped the other brother many time. Rude - this was sad to see that he would come across as behaving rudely to someone who clearly respected him enough to say he knew nothing about the religion so teach me. Instead he rudely stated he didn't know what hamza said so drop it and get back to the point, which I believe was his frustration showing. 3 - irrational..he has prided himself on knowing philosophy and understand the rational thinking process yet takes the biggest leap of faith when it comes to arriving at the truth. The most clearly subjective and experiential argument which he couldn't defend in my opinion and then the bad qualities came out. everything he said could've been said by anybody basically and exclusivity would be thrown out of the window so why choose his Methodology ? I'm very disappointed in his conduct the most though, unfortunately he came across over confident, thought he was well equipped and ultimately couldn't address the points or answer the questions. My personal opinion.

[@jayd4ever]

who criticise him

[@bennigan88]

can anything be done to edit out the background noise? i want to hear these blokes but i just hear the ones in the back yelling!

[@Logia1978]

Hamza was very humble unlike the sikh lol

[@Logia1978]

Mark Hall Learn islam from scholars that teaches in western universities not for bigots...

[@MultiSingh01]

why wasn't the sikh humble

[@jayd4ever]

he wasn't

[@jayd4ever]

HoStOoY no Sikhism doesn't teach that

[@MultiSingh01]

HoStOoY you do know sikhs have built mosques for muslims before......

[@Azamkhan-yv5th]

Brother hamza is just amazing..

[@jamesfreeman5459]

Singh Saab makes claim but doesnt provide evidence to back up his claim that Hamza argument is wrong.

[@Mw2ManDeMz]

His whole evidence is a claim, he has no proof at all for anything. He just keeps muttering about subjective experience, sit down and sing bla bla and you'll experience God etc etc. He's literally deluded, Sikhs are brainwashed.

[@mj897]

the proof is to connect to god through meditation. try and disprove it tell us it does not work you can do with in them realm of islam too. the beauty of sikhi is that you dont have to change faith at all. this principle would lead us too a more peacefull place in our mind and world

[@Mw2ManDeMz]

That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If everyone can connect through God in their own religion, it doesn't prove Sikhism is true. Sikhism is one of the weakest religions out there, clear to any non Sikh that it came after Islam and Hinduism from which it was heavily influenced. The ideology of Sikhism is so weak that I can sit down and meditate, feel constipated but misinterpret that feeling and say I connected to God. That's it, the only proof of Sikhism, because you felt it, there is no rationality, no intellect behind it. Your whole religion is based upon a placebo, you meditate and listen to music and say you connect to God. Music has always been an immensely strong influencing factor upon emotion and meditation wasn't invented by your Guru either. Your guru is just a pacifist liar, you're so blinded by your warped illogical way of thinking that nothing anyone says will open your mind. You don't even want to know the truth, you just want Sikhism to be the truth. You can be connecting to demons, to ghosts, to aliens, to a Flying Spaghetti Monster, to your ancestors, to animal spirits, to Satan himself... You prove to me that what you feel during meditation isn't actually one of those things that isn't pretending to be God. You can't because your religion has no logical basis, there's no boundary to prove anything at all.

[@jamesfreeman5459]

You may make some relevant points . However the way you addressing the Sikh it's very rude and offensive and not the correct Islamic way to address someone

[@jayd4ever]

what you said is what Jews and Christians would say about Islam and the guru was not a pacifist like say Jesus or Buddha and it is not placebo even those who are not Sikh have connected to god through mediation

[@mominaalyaly9080]

Hamza andreas tzortzis 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😘

[@msben64]

the sick guy knows that hamza is highly intelligent that's why he is doesn't allow hamza to talk

[@stanfrollpans1569]

@@sarbjeetsingh143 We don't.

[@m-j5630]

ALL BASED ON EXPERIENCE, SUBJECTIVE!!!