The Arena | Challenge Islam | Defend your Beliefs - Episode 18

[@wyattverchere5685]

thanks for having me!

[@NGabriel88]

Salam. I will give you three advices brother Wyatt. 1) Be truly sincere in your search for truth 2) Ask God - The Creator - to guide you (supplication) 3) Read the Quran and reflect upon it May Allah (The Most High) guide you

[@Astaqfirullah9]

Brother, please read, question, and challenge Quran rationally. Put it to the falsification test. Then, ask.

[@Mirror_Holder]

Nice conversation, please come again next time 🤝

[@AshrafKnowledgeSeeker]

We wish you all the best dear brother.. You really seemed sincere & searching for the truth.. And I feel that deep down.. you are feeling it already.. You just need to get your mind around it.. And there is no better way than Islam for that.. Just keep investigating & reading ;)

[@MansMan42069]

Thank you for being the least headache-inducing non-muslim guest. Did you see the self-destruction of the caller who came after you?

[@branis96]

it's amazing to see the intellectual differences between reverts like Jake and Asadullah and between people who leave Islam like Samy Khendek .. this just show you who are the people who join Islam, and the one who leave it. great content brother Hamza. (and thanks to brothers Mansur and Shabir)

[@taimur74]

He got schooled on this stream . May Allah remove the arrogance and guide him back

[@moojza]

O believers! Whoever among you abandons their faith, Allah will replace them with others who love Him and are loved by Him. They will be humble with the believers but firm towards the disbelievers, struggling in the Way of Allah; fearing no blame from anyone. This is the favour of Allah. He grants it to whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Bountiful, All-Knowing. [5:54]

[@MaryKassim-cd8mm]

All praise is to allah If they are following the teachings of the messiah then they need to see that the messiah mentions the last and final messengerthroughout their bibles if they are not following the teachings of the messiah then they just need to know that they are human and they were created

[@muhammadovaistaqi5331]

Brother jake on fire, you have a big beautiful brain, and thanks to all the panelists :love:

[@PhillyPhilly1]

Mashallah

[@ridwan_z]

Beautiful brain🤣🤣🤣

[@MrMudassaranwar]

Brother Shabir has the most non English accent, but I understand him the most. I haven't seen much of him in honesty, but wow, Mashallah! He's so intelligent and makes his arguments seem so simple that a child would understand.

[@AhmedMohamed-qm4wd]

Brother Shabir has a lot of experience giving Dua to people at speakers corner (I believe he has been for over 20 years now mashallah). Also, he was the pioneer (the first) of filming discussions at Speakers Corner and started the trend that many Dua such as Hamza, Mansur, Hashim, Mohamed Hijab, Ali Dawah, EFDawah and many have followed, so he’s very respected within the community.

[@halalpolice7544]

May Allah swt guide, Wyatt, Ray and OrthoBro and all other brothers in humanity to Islam❤️

[@Adamchill23]

Ameen

[@faris2395]

If you don’t now orthobro is just a troll

[@Leila-hd3vp]

Oh Nadia❤❤❤ May Allah swt grant you ease sister. I wish I could give you a hug!

[@Leila-hd3vp]

@Abbas Abdullah you should listen to the stream then delete your comment. She is a sister and your judgment is not welcome here

[@MansMan42069]

@Abbas Abdullah Judging by your comment, you're a disgrace.

[@harryosbourne451]

@Abbas Abdullah again... Shut up.

[@GutzOverFear]

Some highlights and significant moments from another great episode of The Arena. Mashallah: 0:11 Intro 2:48 Bro Mansur joins 3:18 Jake The Muslim Metaphysician joins 4:21 Michael Tared joins. Believes The Book of Revelations is authentic since a Hadith has similar descriptions of Jesus (a.s) 9:22 Jake shows the flaw in Michael's logic. 12:01 The attempts of documenting the life of Jesus (a.s) 14:23 Similarities between Scriptures and the implications. 16:22 Michael's circular arguments. 21:29 Jake tries again to help Michael understand his response. 25:56 Michael is not consistent with his argument. 26:35 Wyatt joins. Agnostic. Open to the idea of a Creator but retains some skepticism. 32:02 Wyatt accepts the cosmological argument. But unsure of it's consequence. 33:00 How do you explain an eternal cause with a temporal effect? 36:53 If the Cause is eternal and it's sufficient to produce the effect then the effect will be present alongside the Cause. 40:25 Billions of years ago time and matter didn't exist? 43:12 An abstract or natural law is just a description of how the Universe works. They cannot exist without matter and energy. 47:50 Law of Negation/Logic still exist but is not a natural law. 49:21 Does that Law constrain reality in such a way that it cannot contravene that law? 51:35 Jake summarizes Wyatts viewpoint and it's lack of a Foundation. 55:00 How the Theistic perspective accounts for how there is a temporal effect from an eternal cause. 56:18 Asadullah takes the pragmatic approach and probes Wyatt on his views on the Laws of Logic and it's origins/implications. 1:01:57 Mining to the roots of skepticism. 1:04:58 Wyatt appreciates the lifestyle of religious people and the benefits of believing in Objective Morality. 1:07:26 The Moral and Theistic Foundation doesn't just benefit mere survival but also offers explanations for our origins. 1:09:42 Wyatt doesn't subscribe to the problem of evil.🤔 1:12:59 The only way to know about the Universe is via Revelation unless the originator revealed himself. This is where Religion and The Prophets come in. Testing their claims. 1:17:31 Wyatt says Hell is his GREATEST fear despite being an Agnostic. 🤔 1:26:30 Defining 'Religious' (Shabir masterfully setting up his Chess Move 🗣) 1:27:22 Can 'Religious' and 'Natural' be used interchangeably? 1:35:28 The Qur'ans hallmarks of God's existence and wisdom. And how it can be finely tuned with the heart of the reader. 1:41:35 The treasure of Islam that needs to be shared with the World. The Arena is a modest example of that. 1:44:40 Wyatt has another objection but there is no time unfortunately. 1:45:54 Asadullah explains to Wyatt the introduction to The Qur'an. Surah Al-Fatiha. (The Opening) and what it entails. 1:48:56 Ex-Muslim Sami joins. Left Islam at 16. Wanted to party. Has issue with Aisha's (r.a) marriage. 1:53:09 1400 years ago a 16 year old was considered Middle-Aged. Especially in the Arabian Peninsula. 1:55:12 The age of consent in Classical Rome was 7. 1:58:33 Addressing the Elephant in the room. 2:02:46 What is the clear criteria for physical maturity in Islam. 2:06:16 Samy fails to understand the Vegan analogy. And couldn't substantiate the concept of a 'value' and where it comes from. 2:10:16 Shabir helps Samy get to the root of his issue. 2:14:27 Jake meticulously dismantles Samy's Worldview and the holes in his warped idea of 'Morality'. 2:15:50 Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. 😬 2:28:21 Revert Nadia joins. Was born Inter-sex. Struggles with the burden of practicing Islam and judgement of others. (May Allah [swt] make her deen easy for her. Ameen.🤲🏼) 2:38:43 Ray's back. Opens with an insincere apology. Continues the conversation of subjective vs objective reasons to believe in Islam. 2:43:50 Nice try Ray. 2:45:59 Claims found online of how the Laws of inheritance in The Qur'an are in Mathematical error. 2:53:11 Jakes reiterates his point. And to no-one's surprise it goes right over his head. 2:53:58 Jake makes a 3rd attempt and I think we all know what the result will be. 2:57:40 I think this was the 4th attempt. What is this, Groundhog Day? 3:03:15 Hamza simplifies things for Ray. 3:09:38 Hamza hits the bullseye whilst snacking. 😂 3:10:01 Bahahahahaha!! 😂😂 3:12:15 Jake explains the Contingency/Necessary argument. 3:14:56 Ray's inconsistency. 3:18:41 The problem of Infinite Regression 3:26:03 Is Mathematics Subjective,Objective or Abstract? 3:34:42 Shabir psychologically wrecks the poor man's entire existence. 🥶 3:39:41 Orthobro joins. Christian. Asks about Surah Al-Qasas 28 :30 Believes because Allah (swt) spoke to Musa (a.s) through the bush it means Allah (swt) physically entered Creation. Also has troubles with translation issues. 4:01:41 Christian believes God cannot be limited. And doesn't do anything illogical. Then argues God can be finite and infinite simultaneously. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 4:08:41 Edis T.V returns. Thinks Qur'an is impossible to understand because of the Parenthesis in translations. 4:10:33 Hamza summarizes Jakes Contingency argument with Ray and how he failed to understand the point. 4:14:15 Sage advice from Mansur. 😅 🗡 4:17:30 Wrapping-up

[@halalpolice7544]

Be polite on the comments guys. Remember prophet Muhammad pbuh said “ I came to perfect our manners” so be nice Insha Allah

[@nazkhan7141]

Mashallah beautiful reminder of prophetic character

[@Asad-zeetwo5241]

Great to see everyone here on the panel. Thank you for a wonderful stream!.👍🕋💯💞

[@amalia512]

Nadia i'm your sister from Indonesia, stay strong ♥️♥️♥️, mashaAllah your name is the same as my cousin, May Allah bless you and May Allah make it easy for you, ameen.

[@Leila-hd3vp]

@Abbas Abdullah how did I know that I would find you here too? you really should gain some knowledge before you comment nonsense. Leave HER alone and stop your judgment. Allah swt created her, whats your issue?

[@MansMan42069]

@Abbas Abdullah Are you purposefully being dumb?

[@rahimabegum423]

@Abbas Abdullah transgender is not the same as intersex. Please do your research. Intersex individuals are a natural creation of Allaah and Islam has mechanism in place to deal with their specific issues.

[@TheProofLady]

@Abbas Abdullah Hi I am Nadia from the call. I want to clarify that I agree with Quran when it comes to the positions it holds towards LGBT people. I am not a reformist or "progressive" Muslim by any means.

[@michaelevans4110]

@@TheProofLady May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta ala bless you and yours, Nadia, may He make things easier for you. Jazak Allahu Firdaus Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@usmanbarak2615]

Honestly thank you brothers for the amazing educating content. I want to personally thank brother Asadullah. His break down of the marriage to Aisha was very easy to comprehend and cleared some questions I even had.

[@Eimaan786]

Well done Wyatt Verchere a good thinking soul. May he be guided to the complete truth. Ameen

[@reptilespit4433]

Aw bless Nadia, she deserves kindness, such a shame that ignorants are making her life hard. I wish people were kind and sensible

[@krailamohammedislam6822]

Sister Nadia May Allah make it easy on you and keep you stronger on the straight path.

[@halalpolice7544]

Jake was on 🔥 Maasha Allah. Jake and Wyatt hurts my brain 🧠 today 🤯😂🎤

[@monkearmy2439]

@Farhan Imroze yeah it was i just felt the guy just wanted to nitpick and argue for the sake it without any grounding, he basically got jake to make his argument for him.

[@halalpolice7544]

@Farhan Imroze philosophy is not good for the Muslim who doesn’t have good solid knowledge of Islam. You will be very confused about their arguments but if you know the Towheed and Quran+Hadith+sirah etc, you can.

[@Dawahdude0]

I love that Jack beautifully explained the concept of Necessary Being and Contingent Nature of Universe, May Allah SWT reward all of you and increase you more in knowledge and wisdom Ameen

[@halalpolice7544]

It was the best Arena over Maasha Allah Jasakalaahu Khayr my brother.

[@theterminator3014]

Where are you from?

[@bana5819]

@@theterminator3014 Bro, you asking a woman on a public platform as to where she lives??...😂... Bruh😂

[@gwledosman9744]

@@bana5819 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😱

[@HussainFahmy]

*_May Allah guide the Canadian Brother Wyatt to the truth, Islam._*

[@whyayyyerrlaffinfhorr2152]

jake smashed it all lol what a brother

[@aldoradoalgeriano7560]

You guys are amazing I ask Allah to reward all of you

[@sildkrunxagers1070]

even if Allah used his voice from the burning bush, that does not count as entering the creation. if that so then when god excercises his power to make supernatural events or create life or make the world function, that would make him entering his creation multiple times. as mansur said its like talking in the phone, just because Musa pbuh heard his voice doesn't mean that he entered his creation.

[@harisa8396]

Omg! I’m just now listening to this and Brother Jake along with Brother Shabir Yusuf were sooo funny when talking to Sami. Lol!! “We’re trying to help you make sense.!” Lolol!

[@Mirror_Holder]

"Is this pen contingent?" should be a meme by now, Atheists get so scared of the implications of a neccessary being

[@michaelevans4110]

Yes, even top Atheist philosopher Graham Oppy has tweeked his argument after a brief chat with brother Jake.

[@Mirror_Holder]

@@michaelevans4110 what really!! Does he still belive that the initial state of the universe was eternal?

[@veganath]

not scared at all, just astounded at the arrogance of certainty for unsubstantiated claims made by theists of ALL stripes

[@Mirror_Holder]

​@@veganath too vague, elaborate please

[@aarfeenanees9147]

But alhamdulillah some are coming closer to the truth. Cosmic skeptic, a well known aethiest youtuber recently said that he isn't a staunch atheist anymore and that the arguments for god are very strong.

[@skudda1458]

I love brother Jake's pen argument. Amazing Allahumma barik!

[@Eschton23]

Time stamp?

[@raheelaali9767]

Another great stream, love br shabir’s smile, Allah bless you brothers Ameen 😀

[@satellite964]

A discussion( the Wyatt one) this honest and so devoid of arrogance is rare! May Allah guide him to the straight path.

[@Iamamuslim3590]

Brother jake totally destroyed atheist's arguments on this stream 👍

[@lauz8249]

I can't believe people still bring up the age of aisha(ra), she was physically and mentally mature, end of discussion.

[@hsweid12]

End of discussion....? bro what are you saying... keep defending it... more and more people will be lead away from Islam. Do you know there are hadiths that say she was around 18 years of age? Of course you don’t. So you defend marrying a 6 year old and consummating at 9.

[@lauz8249]

@@hsweid12 did i write her age?

[@muhammadaaus105]

@@hsweid12 There are various Ahadīth, however the most authentic opinion is that she was 9 when the marriage was consummated. This is generally agreed upon by the Salaf from the olden period. If a person leaves Islām or his Imān becomes impacted due this, then he must pray to Allāh to Increase him in his Imān. It is Allāh Who Guides.

[@lauz8249]

@BEAST MODE it doesn't matter what was her age.

[@logicandreasons]

That’s hilarious, the Christian guy talks about the recitations of Hafs, Dori and Colon from Yusuf Ali translation 😂😂😂

[@canhaktan9674]

To be honest, the second part of his question was good.

[@abhmd4481]

@@canhaktan9674 It wasn't, he claimed that the verse indicates that Allah entered his creation, but the verse doesn't say anything about Allah entering anything.

[@canhaktan9674]

@@abhmd4481 He came on asking questions rather than making claims. I viewed it more of a question posed by him. He was certainly on the wrong stream to be asking questions. Either way I have seen non-Muslims asking this and making this claim so it was nice to see someone addressing it.

[@rizwanramzan5729]

This Christian got his argument from Jay smith...lol

[@usmanbarak2615]

@@rizwanramzan5729 yeah I don't get how he randomly stumbled upon such a unique verse. Who knows what his sources are.

[@DefrimIsai]

TODAYS LESSON #1(26:36) : THERE ARE MORE ATHEIST RABBIT-HOLES THAN THERE ARE FLAVOURS AT BEN & JERRYS

[@revertakh1235]

That's alot of Ben and Jerry's

[@woodriver5011]

جزاكم الله خيراً أيها الدعاة إلى الله هنيئا لكم أيها المجاهدين في سبيل الله. أسأل الله لكم الأجر والعافية والثواب والثبات على هذا الدين العظيم حشركم الله مع أشرف الخلق سيدنا وحبيبنا محمد صل الله عليه وسلم ❤

[@markdoughty8780]

The pen is mightier than the sword - nice one guys!

[@hail2121]

No it isn’t

[@farkhkhan9495]

Nadia s I just wanted to say was if you keep striving to be a good Muslim there is no doubt in my mind that your going to go to the highest level of paradise

[@monkeypolice3048]

Ray is the perfect entertainer for nonbelievers, he asked the perfect questions and add flavor into his dish to see if the chief likes his cooking.

[@DefrimIsai]

TODAYS LESSON #2 (1:50:02) : THE APUS VIRUS SEEMS TO BE CONTAGIOUS AND PRODUCING BABY CLONES

[@cheicknacamara651]

😂 that guy is the most illogical person I have yet seen

[@abuakmal9618]

Watching/listening this again after 1 year. So many colors/positions/arguments to dissect.

[@monkeypolice3048]

Brother shabir is so good at making an entrance. 👏 👏 👏

[@jammgiler]

Thank you brothers. JazakAllahu Khairan.

[@Meliodas.Dragon1]

May Allah guide Wyatt Verchere. He was sincere. May Allah guide him.

[@rhaegar2138]

Whenever anyone claims to be ex Muslim. they should be asked some basic questions to test their authenticity

[@rahimabegum423]

How many rakat in wudu 😂

[@rhaegar2138]

@@rahimabegum423 exactly 😂

[@ray620]

@@Ihsaan1c loool

[@zain_not_malik757]

@@Ihsaan1c 🤣👌 can u answer...? Athiest

[@DePeaceHunter]

@@Ihsaan1c _"that can be googled"_ Sure it can 😏

[@bluecopper3770]

Jazakum allah khir 🌹🌺🌹☝️

[@abudalfary3970]

Jazaka allah khayr

[@quicktingz2097]

Jake and Asadullah together finally!! I can die in peace now.

[@michaelevans4110]

Sam -"the values of Islam are completely contrary to mine" Qur'an 22:30 "Don't lie" Qur'an 49:12 "Don't spy" Qur'an 22:36 "feed the poor" Sam defeated himself in his opening remarks.

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

Hey this is Samy. I don't condone slavery, sex slavery, marital rape, child marriage, killing of homosexuals and apostates, unlike islam. Is that any clearer?

[@michaelevans4110]

@@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY You used the word "completely", I take it you know what that word means. Are you taking your statement back and admitting that some "values of Islam" are not contrary to your values? If so we can move on to your comment of clarification and list of things you don't condone.

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

@@michaelevans4110 Wow, you got me good. You're right, I'm not against islamic charity or the general principle that we should tell the truth. Let me clarify : my values are drastically different from those of islam. I don't think that believing in something with 0 evidence is a virtue, for example. I don't agree with the principle of absolute obedience where you are not allowed to question or mock religion. These are just a few examples.

[@michaelevans4110]

@@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY Thanks for clearing that up. "you got me good", not the point. Just teaching you that the gross generalisation within your original statement is a logical fallacy and unwise. Learning may hurt/bruise your ego but "no pain, no gain". Now to your claims, the things you listed "slavery" etc Primary evidence is the Qur'an. Exhibit 1, so to speak. Please produce evidence, from the Quran that the things you listed are condoned. Thanks

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

@@michaelevans4110 They are not forbidden. That's the point. Allah banned pork, alcohol and music, but never slavery. Muhammad himself sold slaves and had sex slaves. I challenge you to find a single quranic verse banning slavery. You will find none.

[@md.fazlulhaque2808]

We believe God. This is a matter of faith . He is necessity existence . This is logical. By definition we believe necessity existence. This is not any moral or mathematical problem . We have objective moral values. We have a standard to follow. Atheist's haven't any criteria. Either subjective or objective both argument's fails to attempt their position. Can they proof Atheism is absolutely true ? Obviously not. So, they can't say , Islam is objectively false. At least, we have a logical criteria to follow. They haven't any except arrogance.

[@clearpupil]

“Necessary existence” - there are 3 types I think: factual necessity (existential necessity): a factually necessary being is not causally dependent on any other being, while any other being is causally dependent on it. causal necessity (subsumed by Hick under the former type): a causally necessary being is such that it is logically impossible for it to be causally dependent on any other being, and it is logically impossible for any other being to be causally independent of it. logical necessity: a logically necessary being is a being whose non-existence is a logical impossibility, and which therefore exists either timeless or eternally in all possible worlds.

[@notforsale1264]

2:15:11 , And at this moment Samy was exposed in front of himself !

[@zoezoom110]

Great to see mr shabir

[@7upninja723]

Samy got roasted so bad I don't know if he will ever have the guts to come on panel again

[@theterminator3014]

He is too stupid for intellectual conversations

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

@@shalmaahad6915 lmao I'm racist now?? Where are you guys getting this from?

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

Yo I'm Samy. You can raise any point you think I somehow failed to demonstrate. My points still do stand.

[@7upninja723]

@@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY take the L it wasn't your night Looool

[@RANDOMSANDWICHGUY]

@@7upninja723 Ok so you have no contentions to bring up. Have a nice day

[@0marM0hammed]

I'd like to hear about Wyatts journey.

[@ShireenMorris-wx7wf]

May Allah almighty guide this young boy back to islam an my Allah almighty protect him from the shytaan Inshallah ameen 🙂🤲🤲

[@henriquesombiga4338]

I want more of Shabir !!!!!!!

[@taimur74]

Jake utterly demolished the ex Muslim and that atheist MashAllah 🤩

[@abhmd4481]

He literally said that he left islam because he wanted to party lol

[@muhammadaaus105]

Worshippers of desires are astray.

[@Zzucia]

That’s the vast majority of ex-muslims. They pretend it was this deep, intellectual decision after extensive reason and contemplation when they just wanted a girlfriend lol

[@youneskhouloud2504]

how about he come and raised a moral point about the prophets marriage but said its not objectively wrong to rape and kill a baby

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@Youngajumma]

ابدعت اخي اسد الله 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@whyayyyerrlaffinfhorr2152]

michael left his logic in a box thrown into the ocean

[@monkeypolice3048]

Sister Nadia, just because you see people smile doesn't mean they not struggling. Just remember everyone's struggling it's part of the test. Take care sis..

[@mouhamadoutaffa5064]

You when you become dishonest to try to hold your argument for the sake of not losing you become messed up in your own head that's what happened to this Ray guy.

[@taimur74]

Yes he was arguing for the sake of arguing .. no sincerity at all

[@AtheismLeadsToIrrationality]

2:16:45 Subhan Allah

[@PhillyPhilly1]

I was about to comment this same thing. Absolutely demolished subhanallah

[@liljaa046]

Yani, this whole mountain thing is rediculous. He didn't know that the Qur'an is in Arabic? Then he doesn't know the basics but come on the Arena - which is for telling US their belief and defend it

[@orwellianyoutube8978]

Lol, agree. But correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t the arena to also ask questions about Islam and the Quran? I believe the perfect storm is solely for others to tell the panel what they believe and why, and they challenge that.

[@MansMan42069]

The Arena is for guests to challenge Islam. Perfect Storm is for guests to defend their beliefs.

[@liljaa046]

@@orwellianyoutube8978 no, not question Islam - they should have arguments ready against Islam and make their point. They should at least have a point

[@Just_logic]

You know when brother Shabir is talking, you need to get your logic notes out and take notes.

[@hereisnimas]

The best 👍👍👍👍👍 may Allah guide us on the straight path salam

[@talksense6648]

Oh God, brother Jake is too dangerous 😂

[@baneoffsight4871]

Jake be spitting bars

[@branis96]

What i doesn't understand is that many people claim that people like Christian Prince and Apuss and tens of other youtubers completely destroyed Islam and finished it, and you see them spamming such things in many comments, but when it come to free debates like the Arena, which tell them to bring the best arguments against Islam, i see none of the supposed arguments which "destroy Islam and finish it" rather than stupid arguments which non-Muslms themselves won't buy This just show how those people live and think .. hypocrisy and lies are their culture and traditions .. they only find themselves confortable in places where there is no intellectualism but memes and jokes and trolls and stupidity.

[@Someone-ct2ck]

Hamza, try to number the Arenas or give them fancy titles.

[@PhuguDotOne]

If sound is made by air manipulated by movement which our ears then detect then Allah surely has the ability to manipulate fire for him to communicate to Musa through. Thats enough to believe Allah doesn’t enter his creation. You don’t enter the phone when you’re speaking through it

[@abd_md]

I think Nadia is case we should learn from.

[@TheProofLady]

Thank you!! I enjoyed coming on :)

[@Muhammad.1445]

Ortbobro The Qur'an doesn't say Allah was in the burning bush lol this is your own insertion! even the jws don't say this! So if you heard Hamza's voice "from" the stream then that does not mean Hamza himself entered your computer or your bedroom or even your head through your ears for hearing his "voice" but maybe he is parked inside your head 😂 anyways if we can communicate and hear each other from distance using technology then let alone Allah who created the universe! moses can hear his voice if Allah wants to reveal it to moses only it's up to Allah! And The consensus of scholars is that 1. God’s presence was there e.i (his knowledge) at the fire or Nur light (veil) as he was speaking to him directly so it does not mean that Allah himself entered the creation and left the throne!and two the verse: "“Blessed is the one at the fire, and whoever is around it" The companion of the prophet (saw) Ibn Abbas said, “And those around it are sanctified,” meaning of moses and the angels . So your argument falls on its face.

[@ucfmayl802]

Very good live stream

[@sondrameyer2816]

Hamza Teed up the ball and Shabir drove it down the green, making the goal in One.

[@billeltot]

Today's note is .. Nadia may Allah help u with ur struggle sis , as u can see even Muslims can be ignorant too even in the chat today , just don't care that much about people reactions , Wyatt nice logical guy just read the Quran mate and reflect upon it my Allah guide u , Samy .. Oh Samy ... U just made more than 10 thousand individual laugh at u , u left Islam for fun , just tell us her name mate .. ! 😂

[@IstanbulBeautyOne]

• The empty and lost Samy was waste of time • Please stick to 10 or 15 minutes Rule for each one

[@user-vt4xc1mg5x]

Yes we need such a rule for these wafflers

[@f1aziz]

Listening to Ray, do these trolls get their training from the same handbook? How many times do we have to listen to these same old same old objections that have been thoroughly explained and answered over and over again.

[@f1aziz]

Orthbro will concoct weird scenarios to make god enter creation to satisfy his Christian trinity.

[@newsamplifier]

Assalamuyalaikum Brothers from Bangladesh...

[@user-zq1cm5ce2v]

The stone they threw away as surplus, actually was the foundation of the building

[@taz9371]

Shabir Yousef the 🎤 dropper

[@Tislyfe]

Amen😌☝🏽

[@samalbkeirat1963]

Great stream!

[@musha3462]

Jake had 3 red bulls today baboom

[@iifsyifa102]

Hamza, next time, ask Mansur to have a white board so he can elaborate math problem to Ray.

[@Tislyfe]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣👌🏽

[@ieltstutor9644]

4:24 Michael Tared joins and ask questions about second coming of Jesus in revelation and Hadith 26:36 Wyatt Verchere (atheist) struggling to believe in religion 1:48:58 Samy khendek (Ex Muslim) wants to party and thinks secular values are better, talks about Ayesha’s marriage

[@KhairulFahmiShafie]

why orthobro, edis tv and the like STUMBLE upon a translation there's no mountain while other translation have the word mountain, WHAT? where does they stumble this contradiction? 🤔

[@nmohammed3024]

This clown Samy never left Islam. Islam left him.

[@Michael-Bruh]

Miqdām b. Ma’d Karib (rA) reports that the Prophet ﷺ said, “Indeed, I have been given the Qur’an and something similar to it along with it. But soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch with a full stomach, and he will say, ‘You should adhere to this Qur’an; what you find that it says is permissible, take it as permissible, and what you find it says is forbidden, take it as forbidden.’ But indeed, whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids.”43

[@alikkk824]

Shabir your a gentleman

[@riyaadranderee1072]

Very good stream . Keep it up guys . Ray must come more often we can have a break whe he speaks .

[@muhammadaaus105]

The tree or the bush having a fire bright, then burns not but lights; to attract Prophet Mūsa and the other (reasons) Known only to Allāh. Allāh never Entered or anything alike, Allāh but Spoke and Allāh is Able to do anything. The Most-Mighty.

[@alexandriarona2299]

Orthobro is Adam as usual

[@syas13]

was about to say that, he's very insiincere, like a chameleon changes color, but Adam changes garbs for a different reason..cant trust these sly fox type POS.

[@هشامالعلوي-و7د]

أحسنت

[@freeman7983]

Masha ALLAH

[@Ahmad-Mounir44]

When Allah (SWT) said in the Qur'an that they argue without knowledge, is exactly what's happening with these modern debates.

[@wateringflower]

Ray is the rash that just keeps coming back

[@peacenow6618]

Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza

[@tofutofu137]

Brilliant live stream, very proud of my brothers Hamza, Mansur, Jake, Shabir and Asadullah Ali. May Allah increase you all in knowledge and goodness. May Allah bless you all and reward you and all our beautiful brothers and sisters in the dawah effort all over the world with the best in this life and the very best in the aakhira. Jazakum Alaahou Khairan.

[@michaelevans4110]

Ameen Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@limd7310]

Mashaallah

[@Diamondraw4Real]

Wal jibala awtada, is the Arabic (Hafs) which I use, pretty sure.

[@Diamondraw4Real]

wa Tur means, by (mount) Tur. That's an example of why parentheses are used, bc "mount" is implied but its not in the Arabic eg. it's understood to be there by the translators or by the reader. It doesn't change the meaning of the Arabic but it tells you what Tur is, which helps the unfamiliar reader know what or where, etc.

[@rijadhadzic3396]

Samy is probably an Arab christian lol. Ask him to renounce Christianity the next time he talks to you all

[@shaheengk5352]

He’s from Iran and probably a rafzi…so no loss here

[@comptonjapan]

Samy gave me a good laugh. It really did get worse (and funnier) by the minute.

[@adjiedguman67]

GOD make no ERRORS its human make errors