How Chibnall Almost Ruined Torchwood

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@maxmustermann-zx9yq]

imagine if the alien didnt kill everyone that would have been hella akward the next day at work

[@mattthesilent777RED]

I recently rewatched this episode, and while a 'sex monster' is a bad monster idea, the story writing itself wasn't too bad

[@thehorrorcounselors4747]

The one thing I always feel uncomfortable with is Gwen cheating on Rhys with Owen its something that was glossed over in season 2 onwards...It’s just quite sad really, we like to see Gwen as a loveable hero but she not only cheated on her devoted partner but drugged him only to lie to him again and again...For anyone who wants to back up Gwens cheating by saying it’s a simple complication in their relationship have not experienced true partnership. Other than I love torchwood

[@sc9835]

Honestly the reason I never liked Gwen. She just keeps cheating and not even just with Owen, yet the show glosses over it and pretends she’s the lovable quirky protagonist. It got really weird to see her act as the moral compass of the group while ignoring all of the shitty things she did.

[@obiwankenobi687]

@@sc9835 they never ignore the shitty things she does. She’s written with flaws, we’re supposed to love her, we’re supposed to hate her, we’re supposed to wince, we’re supposed to defend her etc. She’s a complicated character, she’s written as an actual human and she plays it perfectly. Why do we want everyone to be perfect for? That’s why RTD was perfect at writing companions and characters

[@sc9835]

@@obiwankenobi687 if that’s how you saw it I guess. Remember that just doing bad things doesn’t make a character more human. In general I think she had wasted potential. I don’t think that her doing bad things are what wasted her, but more so how the writers handled her going forward. I don’t want her to be perfect I just wished the show would address her missteps more consistently.

[@wickwebb4690]

I think it's interesting to view Torchwood as a show with a protagonist that isn't essentially likeable and makes bad moral decisions, not just morally grey ones. Highlights the more realistic outlook on life Torchwood has compared to Doctor who and how people can be good and bad -- I definitely really like Gwen's good moments, and I take all her shitty ones with the grain of salt that some people are pretty questionable, but at the end of the day you have to accept that this doesn't make them evil. Cheating on Rhys with Owen though. Really??!?! Owen??

[@Mysterytour7]

Me/Rhys I would never cheat on him.

[@xenon8117]

5:51 “Came and went” The episode is worth it just for that line.

[@sillyclownlady]

Definitely the best line in the episode

[@thetimeshadow6769]

I lost it at that moment.

[@purplesunshine2518]

take a shot every time he says 'sex gas'

[@kaykutcher2103]

I now have a problem.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

"yYreerhh nytewrttt muhhh fuhhderrr" *thud*

[@MyBelovedGhostAndMe]

Ugggih Iah hurv ahh bangeng hedd ake

[@richardenglish2195]

"The episode opens with a comet streaking across the sky" Even natural phenomena gets its kit off. Typical Torchwood.

[@PlanetNateGaming]

Go home Gwen Cooper, eat lasagne, Kiss your boyfriend.... be normal I'm sure the 9th Doctor has a speech very similar to this where he tells Rose to go home and have fish and chips

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

RTD: Crafts an excellent introduction to the series. Chibnall: Almost killed it with too much Horne immediately after.

[@obi501]

RTD: Crafts new who into a world wide hit Chibnall: kills it.

[@obiwankenobi687]

@@obi501 Moffat started killing it long before chibbers

[@miscielrossvillegas6307]

@@obiwankenobi687 Bruh at least Moffat's was exciting and has relatable characters who interacted with each other. And has actual science fiction and in-universe logic.

[@obiwankenobi687]

@@miscielrossvillegas6307 Some of Moffatts characters were good but they were not relatable at all. They were so damn perfect and catchphrasy and poetic and Shakespearean in their dialogue that they were literally not relatable to anyone. If you want timey wimey stuff then yeh sure Moffat did it good for series 5 and 6. But characters? RTD wins every single time in every piece of media he’s ever produced both in and outside Doctor Who. And Chibnall. Hate him as much as you want but he does character moments better than a lot of Moffats. His characters definitely feel more human, despite him picking the worst actor (Ryan) to portray that humanity. Whereas Moffats were so self indulgent and catch phrasey with terrible humour. Nardole, Missy, Bill and 12 are prime examples of this in series 10. And Victorian Clara and eleven in the snowman. Eleven got way worse in series 7 as well with his non sensical, non realistic dialogue

[@obi501]

@@obiwankenobi687 what have I started? But ok, I didn't like moffat nearly as much as RTD (the goat), it was still somewhat decent. I absolutely despised Clara who was the epitome of toxic, which is someone relatable, it made me relate to the people around her more than her herself. And moffat could write the doctor brilliantly imo, some stories were bland and not as RTD as I would've liked and some were down right bad. However, some were amazing. (Blink, heaven sent, mummy on the Orient express etc.) Now if we move on to Chibnall, not a single Dr who story that he's written I have enjoyed.

[@realphillipcarter]

hahaha I got an advert for Grammarly right before this, it started, "Writing's not that easy!" and it felt like the algorithm was trying to send Chibnall a message that I intercepted

[@mrgreeny906]

Chibnall is probably the most confusing writer. He creates this shit... but somehow manages to create the masterpiece that is Fragments and Exit Wounds. Fight me, but the series 2 final episodes were amazing

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

No doubt

[@jamesattenbourgh]

Because he’s a hack who needs already established worlds and characters to contribute something meaningful. He was probably told oh kill off these characters there you go. Hence why he developed them then killed them. Sums up his entire work tbh

[@jamesattenbourgh]

He’s more of a deconstructionist then a writer tbh. You could argue oh what about broadchurch, okay but that’s a deconstruction of the Scandinavian crime genre in most respects.

[@RealBadGaming52]

thats so true, Chibnal also wrote the epsode about the kid being scared of montsers and that was brilliant , but now he has a woke aganda to push by the BBC and thats whats fucking up dr who, not jodie, THE BBC themelves

[@jamesattenbourgh]

@@RealBadGaming52 that was Mark gatiss it’s called night terrors...

[@PlanetNateGaming]

Chibnall writing Torchwood: Good character development, keeps underlying themes underlying, doesn't hand hold Chibnall writing Doctor Who: rubbish character development, makes underlying theme the focal point of the episode, Holds the viewers hand and explains everything to them What happened? he used to write above average stories but now he just writes the most generic stuff

[@richardbourton4523]

I don’t like to complain too much because who needs the negativity, but it makes me wonder does he not trust a younger audience? It’s very patronising to assume that younger viewers can’t cope with more subtle content, in a similarly condescending manner as assuming that adults need sex and swearing to make content suitable for them.

[@donkeysunited]

I always assumed Chibnall wrote well in Torchwood because RTD was the executive director and kept a tight focus on Chibnall's writing. So, without his guidance in Doctor Who, Chibnall went nuts.

[@MyBelovedGhostAndMe]

Ye we need another bees disappearing subplot other than I AM THE TIMELESS CHILD

[@WeLhOOse]

@@richardbourton4523 the swearing makes it a lot more realistic Tbf. Unless I’ve been with my grandparents I can’t really think of a situation, be it in work or outside of it, where swearing hasn’t been commonplace.

[@WeLhOOse]

@@MyBelovedGhostAndMe if I ever see something like the timeless child again I think I’m going to top myself because that storyline was beyond wank.

[@pablobratcat]

Imagine if the Atmos system released the sex gas instead of the clone food gas. Awkward!

[@alexpotts6520]

"It's not Atmos system. It stands for ATmospheric MOdification System, so you're saying "system system"."

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

@@alexpotts6520 It's been a long time since anyone said "No" to you, hasn't it?

[@HughEvbuomwan]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer "I'm still right though."

[@OverWims]

@@alexpotts6520 it's Atmospheric Omission System

[@fromthethirdplanet]

@@HughEvbuomwan Lol

[@harrycook9041]

I thought this was going to be about Cyberwoman lmao

[@HarboWholmes]

Defending that next week 😎

[@fortunate4260]

@@HarboWholmes cyberwoman’s design is way worse than the episode

[@Overlord7135]

@@fortunate4260 The actual episode and exploration of its themes is really good. Just the design of the cyberwoman (which chibnall didn't have a say in)

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

I like the idea of someone trying to be saved from conversion but the episode rushes it for the most part. What gets me is that the Cybermen would be perfect for a R rated series by using the rating to dive deeper into the psychological and visual horror that comes with conversion but we don't get that in it.

[@stephjovi]

@@fortunate4260 omg yes. I watched it this weekend. The episode is alright the design 🤢. I know Torchwood series 1 was extremely sexual especially the first half, but that was just ridiculous. Sure she was only converter to hide the very least skin and make her look like a cyber barbie sex doll

[@Petit784]

Chibnall spent his first script in his beloved childhood franchise expressing his sexual kinks; I think that's sufficient grounds for being showrunner.

[@EditedAF987]

Yet again he wrote some really great episodes in series 2

[@jtyler9130]

This is the thing hat angered me so much with Chibnall in the new Doctor Who. He wrote Broadchurch which was brilliant and a slew of good/decent episodes in Torchwood, and yet he seems content on pulling out the worst pieces of garbage for Doctor Who, which deserves so much better

[@RealBadGaming52]

@@jtyler9130 same with Moffat, he was briliant as a writr, and i herd sherlock was really good, but on drwho he wasnt as good but still better than chibs

[@Dream146]

Moffat had great ideas but wasn't great at developing them e.g. every weeping angel episode after blink. He was far better writing single episodes than he was constructing an arc or trying to manage the whole show.

[@magickardz]

@@Dream146 every episode after Blink? Arguably silence in the library and forest of the dead are one of the best episodes in who history

[@lateralhistory]

I can't remember how this is handled in the episode, but isn't Carys basically being forced by the alien to have sex with all these guys? Like she's drugged? I get that she feels bad about the killings, but does the episode address that she's basically being raped here? It makes it especially chilling that the team are so deadened to her suffering.

[@Homoparanoia]

That’s not something I’d thought of especially considering that the next episode Owen is so hurt by having to feel the way the woman he saw being raped felt. I wonder if he would’ve reacted differently if the episodes were the other way round

[@lateralhistory]

@@Homoparanoia Yeah, I haven't rewatched the episode and all this was pre Me Too, but it feels like it would still have been a conversation. I mean, that sense of violation is pretty much Possession Trope 101, and the show goes out of its way to have Gwen show empathy for Carys. I know Chibnall isn't the greatest writer, but he's worse than Moffat sometimes at just not being able to put himself in the heads of his characters and imagine what they would feel. And it makes the Torchwood crew look so bad. I get that the episode is trying to show they've lost their human touch by being so caught up in the alien world, but Carys looked too human. It would have worked better if she didn't, but Gwen cared anyway. Like Donna with the Ood. As it is she's a normal human girl, who looks really young and is crying her eyes out in a cell. The crew look like sociopaths for not caring! It takes it too far.

[@cregyn]

You can also add in how aside from the first guy in the nightclub, everyone that died in this episode was raped too

[@lateralhistory]

@@cregyn Bang on. There's a whole conversation that isn't even touched on. It's even weirder when the next episode is all about Owen wanting revenge for a woman who was raped. The two situations placed back to back like that are just jarring. They play one for comedy and one deadly serious, and Owen's character does a complete 180 in between. I know people will say he didn't get it until he felt the emotions of the attacked woman himself, but that never made sense to me. His character was a doctor. Caring was literally supposed to be his job.

[@cregyn]

@@lateralhistory completely agree. Some of the things the show has done have been baffling. The fact gwen went from moral compass to snagging Owen in the blink of an eye, obviously a lesser evil than the treatment of rape in these episodes of course. Dont even get me started on miracle day, why anyone would think that having a paedophile show no remorse yet somehow end up as the person that saves the world was a good idea us beyond me.

[@HenryGK]

Loving the Torchwood content!

[@WingedSumac]

Yes, keep it up please. I REALLY look forward to a review of 'Miracle Day'. That's one of my favorite mini-series ever. I'm not saying that the writing is excellent, but the acting & subject matter interests me!

[@otopenyCooper]

Same here! What timing as I just finished rewatching series 1 yet again!

[@christianwise637]

Day One is quite a guilty pleasure episode for me. Yes, the mere concept of the sex gas is incredibly stupid, and a blatant example of Torchwood trying too hard to be edgy and mature, but as stated in the video there are quite a few nice ideas and character moments, mostly involving Gwen, and some rather funny lines. Plus, the idea of the sex gas is so utterly ridiculous and stupid, and is executed in such a tongue-in-cheek camp fashion that it loops back around to being kind of funny in a way

[@geckoniner5625]

It’s only a guilty pleasure because it’s porn brother you need help😭

[@_.sunny.side.up.]

Chris Chibs? Ruining something? Why I never

[@achromat666]

"This episode really doesn't want you to like him (referring to Owen)" NO episode in series one wants you to like Owen. They don't start giving him a personality beyond senor date rape until the end of season 2 where he bites it. And by then I was glad he was dead.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Wasn't his first line in the whole show "Sorry, that's me, I'm a t**t."

[@jvblhc]

Yet the actor himself has done some nice work in other shows.

[@DeathofSnoopy]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Correction: *”Yeah, that be me. Sorry I’m a twat.”* But Owen’s actual first line was: *”Then hurry up and feel it. Freezing my arse off here.”* Back in the very beginning of the first episode where we see Suzy using the Resurrection Gauntlet for the first time.

[@toast99bubbles]

At least he's been given a lot of decent character development in the past few years, with some great team ups with Andy and other great team ups with Ianto.

[@achromat666]

@@toast99bubbles Owen? Their version of character development didn't even kick in until season 2, which is the season he and Tosh died in. That is the worst way to write someone to expect me to care. If you start only trying to tug at the heartstrings shortly before he bites it, you're not doing the character justice. The damage is already done. In general the first 2 season were an outright mess that slightly improved with season 2, but not enough to be good.

[@johnmcclure40]

The irony is that if Caris had just jumped Jack, they could have had years of satisfaction together.

[@livinghistory9701]

I choked when I just read that comment

[@takahashierik]

"We didn't know the origins of the Doctor either" Ah, the good old days...

[@julieeverett7442]

we have 26 years and 7 doctors to explore that one!!!

[@shaghayegh186]

Can’t wait for your review of Woman in CyberBikini episode

[@blobfish5730]

At least Chibs got rid of his hornyness here instead of in Doctor Who. Who knows what may have happened to 42...

[@JamesMondasian]

That guy and Martha got awfully close in their final minutes 🤨

[@mattevans4377]

He was just holding it back... *looks at Yaz and 13*

[@radenbowerman9349]

The episode would've probably been retitled to "69"

[@AngelofHell1311]

It would propably be called 69 instead of 42 😏

[@mattevans4377]

@@AngelofHell1311 I see you can't read lol (look above your comment).

[@Thedooweedoo]

I remember when I first watched Torchwood my older brother told me to skip this episode... I'm glad he did (I was 9 at the time). When rewatching it years later I was like, yeah that was probably a good call to not let a child watch someone's sexual fantasy.

[@arvarvanwar]

10:18 Pretty sure most episodes didn’t want me to like Owen

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

He's a complete and utterly detestable bastard until he "dies".

[@Driftywiftypleb]

I liked owen, he was just such a dick it was likeable

[@caitlinb35]

Owen could truly be awful sometimes, but the show did actually try to present him as a layered person. He could be genuine and caring, capable of goodness and clearly an emotional person (even as early as episode 3 they showed that) but he's also always had that edge of darkness, callousness, and self-destruction that comes as a result of the trauma in his life. He's definitely a polarizing character, but the show did try.

[@smuu1996]

I like how even something rather good like Torchwood has to be defended from being shit just because Chris Chibnail wrote for it.

[@ontos8914]

An issue with Torchwood and a lot of "mature" spinoffs end up always trying far too hard to be mature and just end up being juvenile

[@RealBadGaming52]

if sex and swearing are Juvanile then why wasnt there more of it on dr who

[@saxonrauesq.284]

@@RealBadGaming52 t's more that saying 'sex gas' (and similar) repeatedly makes it sound childish, than the topic itself being juvenile it spins around to being silly. like how some shows that are so bad become ironically enjoyable to watch.

[@mrpleasant97]

Still a good episode. Overladen with horny, but honestly, it was still hilariously entertaining to see the responses of the Torchwood team every time someone got duped by the sex monster.

[@nancykraus5127]

Russell T Davies writes with the precision of a scalpel. Moffat with a sharp knife. Chibnall....with a brick. When comparing the writing of this story to what he does later on Doctor Who you can really see that Davies kept a firm editing hand on him.

[@grimreads]

I clicked expecting Cyberwoman. I firmly believe he has yet to reach the depths of awefulness in that episode. Also, Chibnall did a great thing for Doctor Who: by having Torchwood constantly mess up in every episode, it is no wonder the Doctor gets into modern UK at least 3 times per season

[@voldlifilm]

I remember the second episode of the show "Angel" also dealt with a sex monster. But it was handled very well, it was bleak and lonely. If you're not familiar with the show, the first two episodes are really great, but after that it started to lighten up a bit and was never as good as it could have been.

[@ARMarTy_]

I wish there was videos of this quality for Buffy / Angel, the shows are not the greatest shows of all time, but there's some good quality here and there. Yes Angel had many problems compared to Buffy who was mainly improving season after season but there's still some quality in my opinion ( like one major character development ). I wish it was better but that's how it is^^

[@angelus1738]

I disagree. Angel s2 was absolutely amazing. And although this might be an unpopular opinion, Angel s4 was also amazing. S3 was too light, boring, and was bogged down by the uninteresting relationship dramas. S5 was completely unfocused and rushed with only a few good episodes. But overall it was a great show.

[@Jan12700]

12:25 The Timeless Child: Hold my Beer

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

The perfect balance of criticism and praise I do think it's a shame that people dismiss the few things this ep got right, of which you pointed out.

[@gingergoddess8953]

Doctor Who: A time-traveling alien saves the universe a lot. Torchwood: Aliens. Having sex. All. The. Time.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

extracts from Stubagful's Snuggly Chibnall Time: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqPJc3qPmMyHh6M 11:25 "Did this predate Come Dine With Me because this is essentially Torchwood Come Dine With Me. Did Torchwood invent Come Dine With Me? Because if so f*** this show." "What was that, did she just turn around and pout at us?" "I think it's a montage of her printing stuff." "Oh yeah, I'm printing stuff and I'm sexy while I'm printing."

[@lucypreece7581]

one of Chibnall's better Torchwood episodes is coming up. Countrycide. a full horror movie but brilliant. If you want to do darker and more mature do Countrycide not Day One

[@wickwebb4690]

absolute banger of an episode. my favorite by miles

[@rachellydiab]

Legitimately, that episode has haunted me since I was about eleven. I’ve only seen it once and it’s still so vivid.

[@sillyclownlady]

That episode was my favourite episode from season one

[@jmz1736]

The only reason I found that one underwhelming is because I watched it very close to when I watched the supernatural episode benders which is the exact same plot.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

That is my favourite episode! It's so good~

[@NitroIndigo]

"Life is lasagne and lorries." - Harbo Wholmes, 2021

[@HarboWholmes]

I don't even like lasagne tbh

[@inspector2363]

My fear when watching the episode was that it would end with the indestructible Jack shagging the creature to death.

[@Guaire_Dickson]

Gotta give it to him tho, it's definitely a memorable episode, when I think of TW it's one of the things that come to mind

[@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506]

come

[@SilverStormShadow]

I forgot that Chibs wrote this episode, yet I'm not surprised in the slightest

[@azurabayta133]

10:08 This basically just sums up the whole episode tbh, this could be the whole review (For real though this is a great review and I'm glad to see a more in-depth exploration of it than we usually get)

[@Multiversal_Productions]

calling Chibnall an incel just explained everything Doctor who series 11 12 and 13 has and will do

[@patrickcuthill5283]

season 1 torchwood really was dreadful. season 2 was amazing though

[@jvblhc]

@dr103 Adrift just blew me away! Each time I watch it, it blows me away again. It shows Chibbers could do outstanding work. Just not on Doctor Who, where he happily pisses all over 50-plus years of the show.

[@julieeverett7442]

did a binge of all 4 and I agree, Kate said it best in day of the doctor "can you image Americans with the ability to time travel, have you seen their movies!!!" 2nd is my favourite. I enjoyed Children of earth but it didnt really touch me, I know how hideous humans can be, if it were real, it would be far, far worse, they would do something not even Torchwood would dare touch!

[@natinthehat7700]

We should’ve heeded the warning that the only plot given to Chibbers was of a gaseous succubus.

[@ali-ej6rv]

It’s baffling to me how Chibnall struggles so much to write characters in Doctor Who when you look at his work in torchwood and Broadchurch. I very much think he lacks imagination in terms of the creating monsters and storylines in the Doctor Who universe. His best episodes of torchwood were the ones where there wasn’t really an alien villain plot. Personally I cannot wait for his tenure on DW to end as I think he’s really killing the show.

[@tomski120]

When you said "almost" i thought you was gonna say if Carys had bonked her dad. That would of killed torchwood lol

[@AdmiralOctopus]

This is an episode I haven't actually seen, because I was still in my early teens when I watched the series and my parents wouldn't let me watch this episode.

[@kidneyredux4167]

Take a shot everytime Harbo says "sex gas"

[@kasterborous1701]

“Almost”? May I remind you of Cyberwoman, complete with Cyberheels, Cyberthong, and Cyberboobs?

[@JayDragonarcProductions]

*points at Russell T Davies* There's the man you should be taking that one up with.

[@fire_phoenix04]

It go’s much deeper than the team being together for a long time because as we learn in later a later episode jack recruited each of the members saving each of their lives in a way maybe not for the better (except for ianto) also the choice to have jack in one set outfit or two variations of the same outfit further links him to the doctor as this, never changing being who is unimaginably old.

[@AstroLOW]

I've never watched Torchwood, but your series has gave me the desire to do so. thanks! :)

[@jenellienostrabo]

I loved this episode. I loved Torchwood, American season aside.

[@quantummidget]

I'm so glad you're doing Torchwood now. I just hope you can make it to Children of Earth

[@jimboman222]

Love that you're doing Torchwood content, more pls x

[@MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing]

every now and then i have to remind myself that i didn't hallucinate the orgasmavoric sex cloud monster

[@blastfromthepast8344]

Chibnall ruins everything he touches. It'll be Blake's 7 next. He's a menace.

[@blastfromthepast8344]

@dr103 A) That's probably debatable. B) Even if he did, that doesn't say much! He's the worst writer Doctor Who has ever had. I would defy anyone to prove otherwise.

[@blastfromthepast8344]

@dr103 LOL!

[@WingedSumac]

Yes, keep it up please. I REALLY look forward to a review of 'Miracle Day'. That's one of my favorite mini-series ever. I'm not saying that the writing is excellent, but the acting & subject matter interests me!

[@Renegade2786]

I wonder if Chibnall watched the film *Species* which inspire him to create this episode.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

The episodes are an homage to films Cyberwoman=Metropolis Countrycide=Texas Chainsaw Massacre Combat=Fight Club

[@rkah6187]

I think he just went to any large fanfiction site. The "sex pollen" trope is one of the most popular ways to make two characters bang.

[@NitroIndigo]

"The greatest thing about this episode is that it taught Doctor Who fans the facts of life."

[@ItsMeHarry]

I started watching Torchwood this year and as soon as I saw this episode I couldn't help but laugh the entire time, even with all the good elements strewn throughout it's just a bad threat for the story

[@EpicGamer-dk1tp]

This entire episode is “go to horny jail”

[@kaykutcher2103]

For years I had these weird thoughts pop up in my mind such as sex gas, bikini clad cyberwoman, a guy getting shot square in the head only for Harbo's recent videos to trigger the memory of my Dr. Who obsessed former childhood friend who Clockwork Oranged me into watching Torchwood.

[@wickwebb4690]

This joke has already been made but if I took a shot everytime harbo says sex gas I would be dead. came and went

[@kanelibrea]

“I don’t think so love, I’m gay.” Is the best line

[@stephjovi]

I started rewatching Torchwood right before you released the review for episode one. Pure lucky coincidence. I remember when I first watched the ye, gass episode I almost started watching Torchwood but thus time around I tried to ignore the sex gass and focus on the good parts.

[@evanhanley6437]

I really enjoyed this review. I have to get back into watching this show again.

[@VeracityLH]

While Gwen is right that the team had become jaded and too involved with what they are doing to be empathetic, it's not that the team has been together so long. They actually haven't. Tosh was recruited in 2005 I think, Owen the next year. Ianto only arrived at Torchwood III 6 months before Gwen. This is all established by the timeline of Fragments, which is why we don't know exactly when Susie arrived, but it must have been near the time Tosh did since Jack told Tosh he was "forming" a team.) So somewhere between the length of time Owen had been with team and Ianto's timelength, the agents become completely sucked in and jaded. Or perhaps Ianto's experiences at Torchwood I made the difference. Then again, Gwen becomes pretty jaded pretty quickly herself! Cheers.

[@XJoe360]

Chibnall can either write a masterpiece like Children of Earth Day Five, or a piece of trash like Day One

[@professordynamo4031]

he didn't write any of Children of Earth

[@obiwankenobi687]

He didn’t write any of children of earth

[@XJoe360]

@@obiwankenobi687 that checks out

[@astelevey]

@@XJoe360 i think he did write countrycide, which was definitely one of the better episodes of s1

[@christianwise637]

@@astelevey And the last three episodes of series 2 (Adrift, Fragments and Exit Wounds), which were all brilliant

[@texasrex625]

Tbf I did laugh at the “he came and went” Joke from jack

[@dusty2366]

I clicked on this video thinking "oh he's gonna talk about the sex gas isn't he?" I skip to the mid-section and the first thing I hear him say is "it's sex gas." Fucking called it!

[@chrisearle3801]

Was not expecting a Funhaus reference to pop up in this part of youtube hahahaha

[@LeandraF109]

Has Harbo made an episode about the cannibalism in the small, isolated town. I think the episode was called "Countrycide". I'd really like to see an episode on that particular Torchwood episode.

[@AOD_AnkGrooger]

13:20 Just a shame that when the team arrive at the base after jack had left to find the doctor, the hand was left behind, yet it was taken with him to utopia.

[@flyhyland]

I wasn't allowed to watched Torchwood when it was first on lol. I never really got into it because of that, until Miracle Day.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

So this is clearly the series where Chibs belongs: Torchwood.

[@Leaddevo]

The question is, were his scripts 'Finessed' bt RtD - A script editor can turn an average script into a great one. I get the feeling no-one is doing this in Dr Who. Ok, so for series 12 i'd just hand them all back and say - Try Again only much, much, much less shit.

[@pyromaniac2104]

I may be the massive minority but I actually really like this episode... I along with most of season 1 yeah I'm aware of how technically not good it is but I don't give a fuck I LIKE it

[@therealeikichionizuka]

I'll never forget how I got caught watching this episode by my mom. I actually had no idea what was going on, cause I was like, 7, but I'll never forget how I was so confused about why my mom was so concerned. Thanks mom for not beating the s*** outta me for watching a lesbian s*x scene.

[@baconwithmoreeggs7938]

Don’t let this man touch anything!

[@larat8252]

Apart from broadchurch that was amazing!

[@larat8252]

@dr103 yess

[@brandonbaka1375]

Man, I miss Funhaus. Looking forward to next week for more Torchwood from you! edit: Even if it's about the Cyberwoman

[@PhialSubstance]

This should have been about Cyberwoman.

[@mannofdober873]

Boris T-posing is now an image burned into my mind.

[@jessica23claire]

Yes this episode is stupid but it actually sold me on the show. It gave birth to two of my favourite lines from the series: "you know, strictly speaking, throttling the staff is my job..." and "he just..." "...came and went?"

[@nicolebee3283]

Rat Jam might be my favourite Owen joke ever

[@orwellknew3408]

But he managed to distroy Doctor Who

[@InimicalWit]

It is really annoyingly popular to hate on Chris Chibnall these days. It feels like either commenters are trying to convince people that they need to hate him; or said commenters are playing too much to what they think the audience wants to hear. I mean, I felt something was off in the recent couple of years of the show, but that’s what I love about it: I don’t absolutely love every moment of it. A friend of mine who passed away last year even disagreed with me. She thought the episodes were fine. It’s not to say she’d disagree with everything people are saying. I can’t ask her, anymore. She’s dead. But she was one of the things I loved about watching it, having someone to talk to who saw things differently than I do; and right now everyone else seems to be ringing the same tune. I mean, while I didn’t like something about the tone and the delivery, I don’t have nearly the ire I keep hearing expressed about it. Even as concerns the popularly hated new details about the Doctor. Everyone seems to hate something we don’t actually have all the information on yet. We have an apparent reveal and a cliff hanger of an idea. The creators are surely listening and will react, but I also hate to think I might not get to see the real vision that’s been developing, because as many other examples have shown us: a suddenly altered course can prove to be much worse than where we might have been headed.

[@mayotango1317]

So you like The Timeless Children?

[@InimicalWit]

@@mayotango1317 I have mixed feelings about it. The potential I like is running into other Doctors who may or may not be more savvy to their future (our present) than the one we’ve interacted with. It’s a different kind of multi-Doctor story than what happens in our fondly familiar anniversary tradition.

[@InimicalWit]

@@_MyNameIsAJ_ This reply is just well-delivered roasting. I mean, whether or not I agree with it, the remark is funny. lol I don't think this era is so terrible. At worst, I think some of it's among the less memorable portions of the whole series. anyway, be well

[@jmace2424]

Having moved somewhere without good Chinese food I can tell you how important that is to hold onto.

[@hellivioze3648]

15 years? Wait, what?!

[@sylviaelse5086]

I watched all of Torchwood, but have absolutely no memory of this episode.

[@timothylyons5686]

He also wrote 'cyberbabe' which changed the way you became a cyberman.

[@B3astMass]

That FunHaus clip was a nice surprise

[@EmpiresEGG]

Big brain speedrun strats

[@toast99bubbles]

The odd thing with Torchwood is that two of the worst episodes (not counting Miracle Day) were Chibnall's episodes, but quite a few of the best episodes were also Chibnall's ones too. He basically showran it for Russell, and after he stopped taking "DoctorWho for adults" to mean "Doctor Who with sex" he did do the show really well.

[@901000MB]

Harbo I'm so glad you're finally doing Torchwood! I've loved watching the doctor who content and Torchwood is one of my favourite shows (pre miracle day 🤣) can't wait to see you go through the show!

[@smerdp]

Love the Torchwood stuff keep it coming, it got off to a rocky start but one of my favourite series

[@riddlethis8373]

Back in the day Torchwood was my thing, much more then Doctor Who was but something that was much clearer on this show that also translated back to looking back at the RTD era of Doctor Who (and The Sarah Jane Adventures) was how RTD created a great illusion of depth to his lack character development. Like you had a lot of stuff that made of seem like we getting stuff to speculate on but it never went anywhere. It was only their to speculate on. Character relationships stayed unexplored & shallow, nothing had any really consequences except maybe a death. Someone in this case Gwen was special because we were told it, because Jack proclaimed it, but we see her try to connect with her coworkers. Something that would have helped. Even in this episode the writing underminded her research on Carys, she looked into her life but when the time came Gwen didn't know where she worked, Tosh had to look it up. It was a strange choice & ones they kept making with her. There was so much to work with, so much potential & I always felt they went the safer less interesting route.

[@TheMovieMistress1993]

I knew about the Doctors hand from the very first episode when we saw it.

[@bethgiven7515]

This episode didn’t drive me away. I also liked Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, but making Chibnall as Doctor Who’s showrunner was a very poor choice.

[@21700r]

I'm a long time fan of Buffy and Charmed, so an alien succubus really didn't phase me much. The mist struck me as a sci-fi interpretation of demonic possession/influence, the driving need to feed regardless of the wellbeing or consent of the host or victim is very reminiscent of stories of demons and similarly malicious otherworldly beings... The execution was sloppy in a lot of places, but the concept itself is not inherently bad

[@julieeverett7442]

thank you, agreed!

[@fortunate4260]

Literally just finished season 1 today

[@juicyorange2046]

DUDE THAT FUNHAUS CLIP! Perfection my man hahahahahahaha

[@Starius65]

Yeah I never even gave the second episode a chance, but I guess part of that is expected when you watch with your parents and _this_ is the preview...