Harbro Truck No Speed Limiter. Judge for Yourself.

[@uktrucker09]

Scania trucks with overdrive gearbox good for 91mph. I had a merc actros 1857 years back. It was very high geared and out of curiosity I let it run on down hill to see how fast it would go still in the green band of rev counter, 123kph. Still had a good few revs before governed engine speed would've been reached so I guess it would top out nearly 100mph too if given the chance.

[@cloudmaker]

Hello David when we switched from Leyland lorries in '87 we had an Iveco Loadstar that would do 78 mph on the flat but the fastest was the next one an ERF ES on a G plate which when I tried it north on the M1 under J28 and up the hill at the other side it went off the edge of the tacho card which topped out at 125kmph the clock was showing at 85 mph! This was never to be repeated as it had to have a speed limiter when they came in. Funnily enough I bought both of these from the old firm when I started up as a owner driver.

[@Republicofliverpool]

Good man 👏 👏👏👏

[@cloudmaker]

Funnily enough I was up at their yard a few weeks ago. Great name by the way! 👍

[@ianjones4116]

Local knowledge and a Skillful driver wins every time. (Im Such a creep) lol Stay safe mate. 👍😎

[@cloudmaker]

I like to think I am a skilful driver but don't worry I am now on anti delusional pills from the Doctor.

[@kindnessark8064]

Its possible His limiter may have been cut off or tampered with so He could go faster, which is illegal of course in the UK. In the USA 18 wheelers have no limiters so they can go up to 100mph if they wanted.

[@cloudmaker]

That may only be in certain States as different States even have different weight limits too.

[@MikeWooshy]

On the flat your motor (assuming the screen is correct) is showing 88kph, creeping to 91 on the downhill under the bridge. It looks like he is running at the 56mph/90kph mark, but has some weight on hence why you get him on accelerating off the islands and such.

[@cloudmaker]

Hi Mike the screen does not always catch up properly as it is from 2012 and is getting a bit long in the tooth now. Mine on the flat will do 57mph which is what I was doing the first time I passed him and was still doing when he pulled out to pass me, I eased off as I always do if someone is having a go at overtaking to let him by quicker. I am not one of those that runs wagons side by side for ages. When following you could see how the trailer is moving and rattling and I would say he was empty. Thanks for commenting.

[@psmith77271]

Within the last 2month i have been overtaken by a growing number of wagons easily going 65plus as am sat at 56 Also got left for dust by a double deck bus heading through teeside He was easily doing 70 if not more

[@cloudmaker]

Yes Paul you are right, I have had a few more recently that don't have speed limiters set the same as mine, makes you wonder if someone's found a new way of over riding the system.

[@psmith77271]

@@cloudmaker we had a hire truck last year and it would do 69mph according to the gps the needle stopped at 56 but revs still increased after the needle stopped, i never drove it but was common knowledge in the yard Maybe its something to do with that

[@cloudmaker]

@@psmith77271 Sounds like it was best hired out for a long journey! Sounds like an electrical anomaly or communication with fuel injection system if revs still went up.

[@davidtanslow3584]

I remember when there wasn't any governors fitted. One night we were in the steam packet Ipswich and one of Tim bakers drivers came in and said he'd just driven from Tipton to Ipswich in 2hours and 20 minutes, a record where the average was about another 30 minutes longer. I think word got back and so Tim bakers fitted governors to all his trucks set at 55 mph. They were amazed to find they saved over £18,000 a year on fuel. The price of a house. Here endeth the first lesson.

[@cloudmaker]

Yes and a good lesson too.

[@trainman665]

This also says a lot about house prices!

[@davidtanslow3584]

@@trainman665 Exactly. These house price rises since are a planned money making racket directly connected to the abolition of the 'Fair Rents Act', by the Thatcherite Tories. They think they're being clever, but in reality it creates an unsustainable economy which makes it cheaper to close domestic manufacturing down which is undercut by foreign imports. Everyone, except the wealthy, lose out in the end.

[@trainman665]

@@davidtanslow3584 The only solution is to build more housing. However they’d rather keep inflating prices by introducing silly help to buy schemes etc. I think they’re doing what people think looks good (giving money/low deposits) rather than what actually needs doing.

[@davidtanslow3584]

@@trainman665 Building more housing is definitely not a solution when ground is limited. This greed to build is destroying farms and wildlife! The only solution is Rent controls to stop greedy developers buying up houses for profit.

[@sambosomethin7844]

I wouldnt say he has no limiter. When you see a truck with no limiter, youll know shes got no limiter lad! You barely touched on 90km/h thats why he was able to pass you so easy. Especially if hes got newer tyres on from when he got his tacho calibrated. This video is sped up, so it looks like hes pulling away from you faster than he actually is. Hes just using the hills, and staying on the limiter unlike you. Quite poor driving on his behalf really, but hey. definitely no foul play here. Just a lad who knows how to crack on

[@dennisphoenix1]

I saw an Irish truck showing 122kmh on a speed camera, tacho and limiter defeated by a box of electronics . Prosecution pending.

[@cloudmaker]

First thank you so much for calling me lad,must be 50 years since I've been called that! The on screen kph is not entirely accurate which is a bit surprising as it is insurance issued. So you also know the way of the tacho check to go with worn tyres and put new on later I always used to do that but just can not be bothered these days, but it gave you a couple of clicks more, useful sometimes. But you could't pass with ease even at that like this guy could. Yes most of this video is at 1.5 times faster because it cut down the length of the video but it was not sped up separately to make it look like he was going faster. Well spotted that though. Thanks for the comment Sam more concise than quite a few others. All the best.

[@cloudmaker]

@@dennisphoenix1 Don't know why such firms go that sort of trouble, when you get caught you are going to loose your operators license at the very least.

[@roodepoo]

As your measurement is in KM/h the truck can legally travel up to 96km/h. HGV can travel at a legal maximum of 60mph, not 55 as a lot of people seem to think, on dual carriageways and motorways.

[@cloudmaker]

You are absolutely correct which is why I was a bit befuddled when I found out that the Traffic Commissioner's office were advising that if you had a tachograph record which recorded above the set speed limit for 10 minutes you would be prosecuted. Seemed a bit wrong to me to find we could be done based on our records months later. Thank you for the comment.

[@trainman665]

The UK law says 60mph but EU law is 56mph. Not sure how this has changed now we’ve left the EU but I imagine it will stay the same for now.

[@roodepoo]

@@trainman665 that's not correct. The EU does not have law on a members national speed limits. They do have a directive the all HGV over 3.5T have a limiter fitted by law, but the limits are still set by each member state, not a overall fixed speed. These limits have been in place since 2015. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers/new-higher-speed-limits-for-lorries-in-england-and-wales

[@trainman665]

@@roodepoo Yes that is what I meant.

[@roodepoo]

@@trainman665 OK, but it's neither the UK law or the EU directive that has a 56mph limiter setting. That's down to individual HGV owners. The setting must be set at 60mph maximum under law.

[@dannyboyone9564]

Without a limiter HGV can go over 100mph with a trailer easy this is why they are limited and and 56mph is meant to be fuel efficient at 56 at low RPM

[@cloudmaker]

Yes Danny latest Scania's where I have been working run at 1050 rpm at 55mph.

[@dannyboyone9564]

@@MsWagons thank you for the correction 😁👍

[@cloudmaker]

@@MsWagons your comment has just reminded me of reading truck test reports in probably Commercial Motor magazine where they used to quote the geared speed of the lorries which would be the top 60's or so. Not sure why they did that when we are limited to 56 mph anyway.

[@MrCeiranevo]

Possibly going 62mph 100kph I think

[@truckert2411]

Why he brake checked you in the outer lane is beyond me.. some people drive with egos and I think that driver is one of them

[@tomdude75]

Just curious without a speed limiter how fast can a hgv with a trailer get up to, they are supposed to be limited to 56, but I see them doing speeds in the low 60s all the time

[@cloudmaker]

Never thought about that until now but I'm guessing they are geared to be as efficient as possible with a speed limiter so I would guess no more than 65-70 without one. I am hoping that the ones you see going above 56 are travelling down a slope. Downhill with a load on the motorway you can easily be going at 60+ if you haven't held it back on the exhaust or engine brake. Before the speed limiters came in I had several Leylands-65mph. Iveco 78mph. ERF 90mph. When I started in 1984 there was an old boy with an Atkinson 8 wheeler from the sixties coming back down the M1 from Barnsley he flew by me at 65 when I got back he told me that his old wagon could do just shy of the ton! Thanks for commenting Tom.

[@trainman665]

If your getting that speed from your car speedo it’s more likely to do with your speedo over reading. I keep thinking lorries are speeding, but using a GPS 56mph is actually 60 ish on my car.

[@cloudmaker]

@@trainman665 Yes I think you are right.

[@jch2211]

I heard a story of a pink V8 Scania that was stopped by the police and for some reason they ended up road testing it under blue light escort, it allegedly topped out over 100mph at 44mgw.

[@petercross8871]

Hi, I regularly run the M74, these guys have a mill near, Lesmahagow. In both direction loaded or going home they fly past me. Never thought they might be tweeked. Are they their own wagons or are they from over the water under contract, we all know paddy mechanic's have never been trained to fit limiters on trucks 😂😂🤔

[@cloudmaker]

Never seen this firm before this day or after but after years of running lorries you can easily tell if one has a properly working limiter and this certainly hadn't. Oh and yes for years it was well known that Irish trucks did not have the limiters we had!

[@1035pm]

Laughs in Peterbilt....

[@leebrookes7611]

No speed limiter you dont know anything wind ya neck and stop trying to grass someone up thats done nothing wrong

[@cloudmaker]

Knowledge like grammar is a wonderful thing. I may not be perfect but I like to think I have a smattering of both to get by. As for if I know that a vehicles speed limiter is set correctly, well that comes with years of experience. Thanks for watching.

[@leebrookes7611]

@@cloudmaker oh im so sorry my grammers not correct. But what i do have is 6 years hgv experience this wagon has a limiter believe me yes he may well have been looking for his area or looking at satnav before he speeding up and as for slowing down on bends well that goes with out saying weight transfer of load around corners.

[@andyfield6854]

Put yer handbags away lol

[@cloudmaker]

@@andyfield6854 Ok I'll get it back in the cupboard before the missus misses it!

[@joannapodgorska6433]

Just because limiters most German Autobahns outside large city area are useless. Snake racing make people angry and cause accidents also on three lane Autobahns. Speed limiter is the worst shit ever introduced. If we have legal limit 60 and really have to use speed limiters for driving also in union of socialist European soviet republics there is a milion reasons why limiter should be applied for example at 67 mph. Additionally engaging limiter immediately during kick down is absolutely danger and silly extreme silly idea. The same idiot from soviet European republics right now started working on passengers cars to make traveling awful and exhausting. A lot of English people will dying and already died because of Soviet European Republics legislation. The only one solution is ignoring Soviet and their legislation which is worth any price. I believe that problem is temporary. Just after European Soviets create federation it they crate newer and worse Yugoslavia with millions of people who will hate this artificial creation.

[@cloudmaker]

Hello Joanna, before the introduction of speed limiters I don't remember trucks sitting at the side of each other for mile after mile which can be the case quite often now. Although after all these years we have learned to live with the speed limiters on trucks they are now bringing limiters in for cars over here which I think will lead to lots more accidents due to driver frustration, but of course the manufacturers are trying to make vehicles autonomous anyway as the perfect answer to road traffic collisions. We will see if that is the answer. I think your comment that car travel will be awful and exhausting is absolutely correct. Thank you for commenting Joanna. All the best and drive safe of course.

[@kr1886]

A good example of someone who was able to obtain a vocational license but is a poor driver. Not very unusual unfortunately.

[@cloudmaker]

Yes and it just seems to get worse each year.

[@ivannewman1266]

Well do it yourself then

[@paddy4799]

Foreigner, probably Polish with a bought licence

[@davycam2008]

What a bunch of old whinging fannies are driving lorries these days.

[@cloudmaker]

Well we keep waiting for the young 'uns to come up and take over, so I'm afraid you'll have to put up with old whinging fannies for a bit longer.

[@davycam2008]

@@cloudmaker I've been on the road for over 40 years myself, long before the days of speed limiters and such bollox. there were no more accidents then than there are now you just got to where you were going a bit faster. If you had a flat wheel or broke down there was soon half a dozen boys stopped to give you a hand, now nobody would give you the time of day. there were no phones no trackers no sat navs and a lot less bad manners on the road. You talk about the young uns taking over but most of the ones I'm seeing on the road couldn't drive a nail into a bar of soap, haven't a clue what to do with a 16 speed gear box and can't find the road to anywhere without a computer to tell them and they still get lost. Put them in an ERF with a dead as hector 290 cummins in it and 20 ton of swinging beef hanging from the roof of a tandem axle fridge with wooden brakes and they wouldn't get past the first roundabout. Anyway rant over, stay safe lad and I'll think about the good old days when lorry drivers were men and Scania's were real trucks and not a box of electronic shite like they are now.

[@cloudmaker]

@@davycam2008 Bloody hell loved that brought back a few memories too, as for 290 cummins unreliable and thirsty. Only gearbox I did not get on with was a teach yourself Eaton twin splitter, I think anyway, as memory fades a bit these days but was just getting the hang of it in the second week when I was put on something else. As for the recent Scanias I only drove the new generation auto's six months ago but after the first day I did not like it at all but with a few tips on how to drive them as a manual it was transformed and I really started to enjoy it. It's quieter more comfortable and with the lower cab easier to get in and out. Loved our ERF's they were great wagons and reliable too. Thanks for calling me lad as well it's been well over half a century since I qualified as one.

[@ohwhatsoccurring4479]

Is your Dad bigger than his?

[@Alistair89]

Whether he has a limiter or not I find it very sad and pathetic that lorry drivers get a kick out of overtaking each other on a dual carriageway

[@tommysbk2919]

No limiter 😂😂😂😂