Our Favorite Spinning Attacks for Kickboxing, MMA and... Boxing?

[@hard2hurt]

Question for Viewers: What's _your_ favorite spinning attack?

[@KevinLeeVlog]

I like Kevin’s. 😝

[@toxicsnowball2222]

My favorite has to be spinning and then running away, works almost every time

[@biohazard724]

⬇️↙️⬅️+K to beat out fireball pressure

[@ogloc6308]

spinning, flying, double axe kick

[@Brainwashed101]

Tornado kick lmao.

[@fighttips]

Love that Kwonkicker still lives on 🙌

[@hard2hurt]

He is one of my first stops when I am looking for a technical detail on something.

[@brandonrogers8621]

Bring back kwon!!

[@georgelukhava9945]

Would either of you gentlemen happen to know why he's deleted most of his videos? That channel was a treasure trove of technical information and the place I first learned striking before even going into formal training. Shame that most of it's gone now.

[@teinestokoe2628]

Still subbed to Kwonkicker, or Martial Arts Striking as his channel is now named

[@huskiefan8950]

Bro, kwonkicker was the first fighting KZbin channel I ever got into, way back in the day. Now bcuz of him, I watch everyone in this circle. Good memories 😎

[@Ninjacob00]

When everyone’s eyes lit up when Gabriel said “my backfist setup is a defensive setup not offensive” was awesome. Of course Mike returned the favor by taking advantage of positions that people just concede in true RKM fashion

[@hard2hurt]

Yeah we were soaking up knowledge all weekend.

[@SenseiSeth]

So close to 500k

[@Inferno424]

👌

[@Inferno424]

Got ya

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I dunno. 469 is pretty nice.

[@martialartsunlimited01]

@@metrolinamartialarts hey Ed broke 10k. We're getting there.

[@saawysorenson4585]

Oh look its Sensei Seth, from Sensei Seth Reacts!

[@martialartsunlimited01]

I used Kevin Lee's setup in class last night. Thanks everyone.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Woohoo!!

[@hard2hurt]

Oh your poor sparring partners

[@martialartsunlimited01]

@prgnify I brought the kick up to body and did more of a side kick

[@madnomad2246]

I once did it orthodox vs orthodox (kicked with my back leg) span so much I hit the back of his front leg with my heel... well, he wasn't very happy about it, it was weird tho, I was strangely close to his powerhand and I have pretty long legs so that's probably why I reached all the way there to his front leg with it

[@roscoin]

Your spinning hook kick technique was awesome

[@jamielondon6436]

Icy Mike: "This new guy here …" Gabe: "… that one time I knocked down Lerdsilla …" Everybody: "… oh yeah, right." :-D The energy you guys have together is great! Some pretty cool technique ideas in there, too. Mike's could've been inspired by Capoeira, maybe?

[@lettygonzales1302]

Or Yaw Yan

[@k1m6a11]

I've never been more enthusiastic about MA videos, this format is a fantastic idea! Super interesting to see so many different approaches all at the same time. But I am sad no one represented jumping reverse side kick, it never gets the love it deserves. :(

[@hard2hurt]

We have done videos on that one specifically before i think. Seth and i covered it.

[@k1m6a11]

@@hard2hurt Guess I'll just have to watch your videos harder!

[@charlescollier7217]

Gabriel now has me rethinking the use of the backfist. Using a hammer fist instead is SO much more appealing.

[@hard2hurt]

Yeah its superior in almost every way

[@peterk2735]

That’s the difference between us mortals and an elite level competitor. Whatever he teaches has worked for him at the absolute pinnacle of combat sports

[@HappyBuffalo347]

​@@hard2hurt Why though? Do you have a video on it? I feel like the backfist recruits more of my back/shoulder muscles and I throw it with more force so I don't know why you and Gabriel don't like it

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@HappyBuffalo347 less padding & less surface area = more pressure.

[@obiwanquixote8423]

Only thing I can think of that is better with the back fist is elbow position if you miss. As a kid throwing them like an idiot against a bag I managed to hyper extend my own elbow when the bag swung forward. With the backfist you just bounce off. End result is I would get more speed off the backfist because I was gun shy about throwing the hammer fist

[@toxicsnowball2222]

I like how as he says Gabriel is someone they're helping out he put his 6x world champ subtitle. Sneaky

[@peterk2735]

Shane: I used this spinning attack once in competition and missed. Gabe: I used this spinning attack to knock down one of the most evasive fighters in history ☠️

[@toxicsnowball2222]

@@peterk2735 and accidentally it seemed like

[@peterk2735]

@@toxicsnowball2222 Well that’s the difference between guys who can fight and guys who fight at the absolute highest level

[@DrDeFord]

Lets us in on the joke.

[@BMO_Creative]

Jared's spin was tight! it throws the opponent WAY off their game!

[@theboynurse]

We call Icy Mike's kick the dragon tail. My son has almost killed me a couple times with it. Super sneaky cuz the person throwing it just disappears if your in any type of shell then you eat a heel while trying to find them. Never thought of using from a dirty boxing position. Great stuff.

[@ConnorTierney]

Best one is a tornado kick off of a missed or a ‘fake’ round kick. A lot of guys (especially Thai guys) will let you fully spin around with a missed round kick. Plant and Jump and you can cover height and/or distance

[@hard2hurt]

Yeah nobody really did a forward spin... unless you count Jared.

[@nathanmiller5753]

been loving all of the KZbin combat goats collaborating lets goo!

[@wardog5537]

I really enjoyed the boxers ability to come up with a spin move that was able to go along with the discussion and offer such a different perspective on what a spin is and could be used for in a fight. Very cool move man. Everyone else also had really good input

[@Harry-mf6rq]

I see Mike's scorpion kick in high level olympic taekwondo sparring a lot, where it counts as a spinning kick to the head and gets a load of points, even if you just tap with the toes

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

Funny how Mike's kick is basically the famous capoeira spinning heel called: "meialua de compasso". Slightly different setup, but basically the same mechanics.

[@gregperman]

Sensei Seth's setup was something Conor McGregor did a lot in his best run, he pressured people to the cage, naturally they avoided going to his left and he spun kicked to get them escaping to his right

[@loganstabb2278]

I really loved Gabe’s advice on the defensive spinning back fist. Changed my perspective. Thank you for the amazing content as always!

[@daltonsasse5754]

This is one of my favorite martial arts videos of the crossover, maybe ever. Love it

[@junglejim3433]

My first karate sensai landed Icy Mike’s favorite, back in the 70’s. It’s on film. The Fighting Black Kings documentary. His name is Frank Clark. He lands it at 42:34 minutes

[@brycekeeney4995]

these colab brainstorm episodes are amazing, so many gold nuggets of knowledge!

[@Ventus_the_Heathen]

Icy Mike coming in with that WT scorpion kick

[@vicentegeonix]

This is awesome, but i have one question, when are you guys gonna upload the sparring sessions?

[@hard2hurt]

The 28th

[@vicentegeonix]

@@hard2hurt Hell yeah! Finally.

[@basicallyb3904]

@@hard2hurt imma be re watching that one a bunch of times

[@58holloway]

This series is great. I always enjoy the partner videos you do Hearing from so many martial arts folks at one time is great. I definitely got some things I'm going to work on.

[@gw1357]

Who could have anticipated that the pure boxer would have the best technique of the bunch? Props to Jared! Shane's was classic too. And "dreamkiller" is a great name.

[@LivingFantastic]

I love it when a boxer comes up with something the other guys haven't seen

[@connorlammin8189]

Props to my man with hardly any fingers on one hand! Absolute geeza💯

[@gracie99999]

Thai white fighter with one arm no one takes easy about does more with that one arm more then four my aunts do cooking combined! limitations show true potential like music almost less is more

[@vanoscrap6296]

now THAT was a very very cool episode. Perfect balance of knowledge, humor, demos of techniques and flashy personalities. Awesome.

[@GabrielVargaOfficial]

Spinning stuff 😁 Some people roll their eyes but they really do work. Proof? Knocking down Lerdsila with a spinning backfist kzbin.info6OZzxMWpONo

[@Summer_Tea]

My two favorites: 1. Lead leg side kick into spinning back kick. As soon as the lead leg connects, just drop it straight to the floor without rechambering and already have the foot pivoted in midair for the back kick. 2. Oblique kick or front kick followed by a spinning wheel kick. Rechamber the front kick as fast as possible and go straight into the heel kick. If the first kick connected, the opponent/target should still be exactly in range for the heel kick to land.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

I am gonna go by my nickname Kev Kev from now on. 😂

[@obiwanquixote8423]

And Mike comes in with the Cynthia Rothrock special. And of course it requires someone to be a few inches taller. Love how you rep us shorter guys

[@TITANia69420]

When I saw the word Boxing and Spinning, I thought he'd do a spinning step forwards like Balrog from SF or Steve from Tekken

[@The31st]

As a guy w/ a TKD base I have a few cool things I'd like to share with the class that I've found work decently in kickboxing and MMA at least in sparing. The first one works great against lead-leg heavy fighters that like to shell up tight and rear-leg heavy, light lead-leg Thai fighters. It's the most simple, probably the most well-known of the 3 I'll share in that if you watch spin kick KO compilations you might see it a time or 2. You throw a rear leg low kick, usually a light one, then when you retract the kick you use that recoiling momentum to turn your body and point your standing heel at the target, put the kicking leg down, and push straight off it into your spin kick with the same leg, attacking from the other side. So, 2 kicks from the same leg hitting opposite sides very quickly while you stay in exactly the same spot. It's one of those moments you don't expect to get hit and I find ppl just tend to take a breath and relax when they get hit with a single low kick and nothing after, especially if you condition them to that a few times. The second one is inspired by yours Mike cos it's from the same loose clinch/ should to chest position. It's one from TKD competitor that I've found works when directly brought into kickboxing without any mods but not as much in MT and barely ever in MMA. That's the switching, jump back kick from the clinch. By "Switching" I mean the footwork you see in TKD or Karate where you jump very low off the ground and basically glide your feet so they swap places. Now, this is applied to the jump back kick by rather than jumping high into the air, just simultaneously putting your front foot where your back foot was and bringing your back foot up into the back kick. And that works well when combined with a little shoulder bump McGregor style to the chest to create a little gap. It's a cool way to land a hard back kick from super close range but in MMA I usually get grappled before I can do it unless the person is a pure striker. Lastly is the hardest to do but super cool when it works and is something I think is pretty unique to TKD cos I've not seen it done anywhere else, it's also a bit like what Gabriel was saying about spinning defensively, and that's spinning backward. You see it in TKD as a way to not get scored on but I've found some success against infighters that like to really get in your face. Spinning backward is like spinning forward in that you show your back to your opponent for a moment, just rather than stepping your rear leg in front, you step your front leg behind. By spinning backward you create distance and you can THEN throw your spin kick, so not at the same time as you do spinning forward. Similar to move 1 as soon as your none pivot foot hits the ground and you're back in stance, push straight off that leg into a roundhouse, or a back kick or whatever. It also works with the spin hammer fist which you can throw as you spin backward with the rear arm. The way I use this is when I have someone who keeps getting in close and likes to fill the gap after you hit them. I'll blast them with a big cross to get them off me for a sec, then as I retract the cross I use that momentum again to carry on going and spin backward to create space that I quickly fill with a spinning attack when they crash forward into it to get me. When you spin backward you essentially just take a whole step back so you get a lot of room but timing this can be tricky and I don't think to do it very often. TBH usually it just happens when I'm getting overwhelmed like I'm turning my back in panic and then I've back kicked you. It comes in a way you just don't expect or ever really see so it's pretty cool and another defensive way to spin kick. I wish video responses were still a thing as it would probably be easier to explain if I could show you.

[@senoreldughez4277]

Icy Mike, nice kick! I believe this is called Bikad, its touted as Sikaran's trademark kick. And yes, you will catch a lot of people with it the first few times you use it =3 Very nice Co-Lab video again Gents!

[@loscomagno8877]

In YawYan they have the Alakdan, the setup is pretty close I've only seen partner demos or drills on the bag though

[@UnexpectedWonder]

It makes sense that so much of the Skillset derives from the experiences, Fighting Styles, and Physiques of the Fighters.

[@marting.1139]

This is gold, love u all, beasts.

[@judgegerald1275]

Look at Gabriel’s reaction to kevin lees technique he loves it 😂

[@peterk2735]

What I love about Gabe is that he’s still willing to learn and keeps an open mind, despite being miles ahead of 99.9% practitioners out there

[@zeep2.046]

i liked mikes one, it also reminded me of a rolling thunder kick but from a different position or a close range set up

[@themyrmidon2181]

You guys are spun. Loved it. Thanks!

[@ehukai2003]

Bruce Lee and Tony Jaa did @hard2hurt’s kick in their movies so it’s really cool to see how he applies it with that bump step!

[@andrewanastasovski1609]

I like the spinning back hammer fist. I saw a fight recently where the fighter was knocked out with a backfist while they were in a boxing exchange. His left hook slid across the other fighter's forearms and as the first fighter moved his guard to retaliate the second fighter kept turning and caught him in the temple to KO. It was badass.

[@felixnunez1776]

🙌🏽lots of talent on that mat!! Thank you!

[@MrSajid80]

9:06 absolutely love that move.... kevin lee!!!

[@dirtpoorchris]

sometimes if someone redirects your kick and makes you stumble past them you are half blinded and can do like a wild rat spin and hop away at same time, with a backfist thrown in in case they are chasing you. Desperate panic move. But some of that Rat Kung Fu stuff even saves rats from cats.

[@MrSajid80]

2:52 that hook kick solved my knee problem!!! Thankyou

[@marcoslacombe9831]

I like having the spinning hook kick and spinning back kick start with the same chamber because people can really punish an open hook kick if they get close, so having the back kick set up that allows you to still kick them if they try to enter into the hook but also allowing you to open the kick in the end into a hook in case they move back. On Seth's kick. I love the idea of countering the kick with the spin, but there's the risk of getting kicked in the back, which might be very damaging or not at all, depending on where exactly it hits.

[@georgevaleanu1390]

These guys coming all together it s the highlight of 2022 for me

[@stevenalexander6033]

Love the hand pop on Kevin's skill.. Lots of fun deception in this one... love to see it

[@moneyfornothing3264]

Great Stuff From Everyone! Thank You Guys!

[@richardmcallister460]

Mike I absolutely love your setup! Watching your channel has got me really enthusiastic about dirty boxing/boxing in the clinch, but since I also have a karate background, my kicks have been way better than my hands..... absolutely stealing this for class tomorrow!

[@mr2gud2u]

Great vid guys! I love the chemistry between u guys.

[@RodCornholio]

Spinning. That's a neat trick. Getting the high ground is better.

[@reginaldwelkin]

I've always thought of spinning attacks of working best with defensive techniques...but you guys have convinced me that offensive spinning attacks are also not only viable, but can work well. Thanks!

[@martialartsunlimited01]

Love the spin2win logo

[@brianrahuba6919]

That's a slick heel kick Icy Mike . I wouldn't want that smashing my nose and mouth area . Ouch lol 😆

[@brandonrogers8621]

This video is 100 percent process best one yet!!

[@ToastTheBread]

My name is Kevin so I tripped out a bit when you looked at the camera and said "can you see that, Kevin?"

[@bowensaver2326]

Spinning twisting kick is definitely my favorite, lead roundhouse to the inner thigh, then "miss", and spin around to throw the twisting kick to the liver or head

[@escre]

When the boxer teaches grappling

[@hard2hurt]

Oh yeah there is multiple layers to this one...

[@gracie99999]

felt alittle odd nah jk hehe

[@peterk2735]

Clinching and body manipulation plays a huge part in high level boxing

[@gatohabana2382]

That's got to be borderline illegal in a sporting context. Funny both high level competitors showed "banned" techniques they're so good at using that no one notices it.

[@BeatsandBranding]

Oh my God! Thanks Icy Mike! I was trying to figure out a practical way to use the scorpion kick and that was like a candle in the dark!

[@arumatai]

4:40 THANK YOU! exactly! the effing backfist is useless. its a huge danger to your hand (breaking metacarpals) and even shoulder. hammerfist is safer, better, and if the opponent moves inside it he still eats the ulna instead of the meaty part.

[@complexblackness]

It's worked for me and many others.

[@patronabavariae2577]

Awesome! Thank you so much for your content. Its one of my highlights during the week trying some things of them out in gymclass. My favorit of the showed ones was Kevin s, because of no one awaits a spinning kick to inside thigh. nice weekend, and all the best from germany

[@carlkubik9151]

What a great collection of fighters/instructors. You guys give out so much excellent information that is also very entertaining, thanks all of you

[@Sgtvalentini]

"So we're throwing spinning shit now?" "Yes...yes we are"

[@ericwalsh2954]

I'm very happy that at 14 the channels I watched cause they did senzu beans in real life and some fight stuff or talked about self defence. Turned out to be good choices

[@nickarnold1622]

The scorpion kick is a point karate thing that I've fantasized about trying in a kickboxing situation

[@JamiroVLsinto]

cool video i liked the clinch spin alot

[@theBestInvertebrate]

Scorpion kick isn't really a technique in Taekwondo but due to the rules (WT) for clinching a few years ago they became really common until the rules changed, I remember it kind of blowing my mind, that just isn't where you expect a foot to come from (and this is Taekwondo where your feet go everywhere). Weird seeing it outside of that really spesific context.

[@ksodplsfiel1405]

you guys have a clinch ?

[@Agustin-zg5wk]

Yeah they can clinch and trip and hip toss but as you cannot stall or grip fight it's pretty pointless (kinda like in point karate too now that I think about it)

[@theBestInvertebrate]

@@ksodplsfiel1405 yes and no, nothing like an "real" clinch. You can't grab and round punches don't score, at the time you also couldn't push (sort of, that was during the transition to where we can now push) so you would often get the two fighters just standing pressed up against eachother too close to land anything, that is except weird stuff like scorpion kicks (and what are now called "monkey kicks" which is basically just reaching your foot up an patting them on the back/side/head monkey kicks suck to watch and are just an exploit of the system wich drove a rules change).

[@paulhornbogen980]

Please tell Mr. F. He was one of the first person online that got me interested in karate and boxing with online academy. Thank you Mr. F.

[@Cool-Danny]

I've forgotten that scorpion kick existed; it's such a utilizable kick. Thanks, I will add that amazing kick to my repertoire, it's gonna be so useful.

[@KendoSwordsman]

I really enjoyed all of that but the last two, particularly Mike's one were really interesting.

[@Tony-de4px]

excellent stuff👍👍👍

[@brianyparraguirre6977]

Another gem, great collab. Disappointed no one did the Ricky Bobby double fist helicopter spin, part 2 I supppse

[@lims-karen3127]

I always love these Avengers assemble videos

[@camfer9616]

that was simply awesome

[@alfeberlin]

I liked what we sometimes did in training: Turn away from the opponent, hold your heads on your head, bend down, and make a show of being afraid. Of course, you do that when they charge, so that it doesn’t give away that you have a plan, but so that it looks involuntarily. Then we step away and raise the leg that is staying closer to the charging opponent. More often than not, the heel then just goes up straight to their head. It’s a trick you cannot do very often, of course. But in the end, everything in fighting is somehow connected to do the right thing at the right time. Ah, btw: I’m doing a Mantis Kung-Fu style.

[@Kristallmetall]

Well done!

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

Verga's move would actually be good for sanda cuz you can hit with the cuff of your gloves and get away with getting a close spin on your opponent. Imma try to use that one. Also really like Kevin's move, imma see if I can use that too 😏

[@peterk2735]

He fought a lot of top level sanda guys back in the day, it’s all battle tested

[@grayalun]

Saw a knockout using a crescent kick on Cage Warriors makes you wonder if the spinning crescent kick could be used. I like the jumping defensive back kick as the opponent lunges in.

[@TheSinsOfAvarice97]

Use sensei Seth's set up to launch that Kevin Lee spinning knee kick would be bababababbrutal in the ufc 😂

[@grandpacurls]

I use to pull spinning round kicks when I did point sparring. They would always block for a heel kick and sneak the kick on the other side

[@Lunumbrus]

Mike's Electron/Scorpion kick seems like it holds some mechanical similarity to kicks seen in Capoeira, doesn't it?

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

Yes, that's correct. It's called: "meialua de compasso" you can look it up easily.

[@JamiroVLsinto]

the spinning kick to the knee tought me my sensei its pretty use full and i like this tequniqe alot

[@honkler1443]

SPINNING BACK KICK is by far the best one of those tecniques, backhook kick is good but it is not as easy and functional, it demands that you can have space and it is hard af to make it work even for taekwondo dudes sensei seth did the very best set up and kick there

[@brauliochavez2231]

i like throwing the spining side kick but set ups with either leg kicks or cutting angles, but try dropping your body low almost as in putting your hands on the ground and aim high so the angles of the kick is upwards.

[@TherealSIRenity]

That scorpion kick fire🔥I need to practice that

[@dirtpoorchris]

9:00 I like that. Thats a nice muscle buster sucker shot. Heel right in the soft side muscles. I got good strike speed so sometimes ill do this to peoples forearms to make their punches weaker. Or right on the side of the bicep if you can dig 1 knuckle in. Its illegal in MMA but I can also grab onto a mans pec from the armpit with eagle claw and move them around or just make them shrimp up from the pain.

[@hard2hurt]

It's a mean shot for sure

[@LotharTChips]

I love a good back kick. Lead it up with a strong round kick or side kick. Then plant the foot heal facing them. You’re already in position just fire away. Either you’ll catch them coming back in if they evaded the setup or you get to blast them twice. I sent a guy flying like 5 ft with this. Also like to throw it if my foots been caught you basically land in the position to throw this after prying your foot out.

[@malkomalkavian]

What a good video. Really a lot to learn and like :)

[@laeneel]

I'm watching the most dangerous man in this group's eyes...and he is quietly hoovering this all up.

[@tyhollo3426]

Holy S--- is that game grumps Kevin !!!???!???

[@tyhollo3426]

Literally not that Kevin I had to look him up, wow they really do look alike though thats crazy

[@hamsterman5735]

"yeah the one i knocked lerdsila down with". Had me in fucking stitches. So nonchalant about it

[@TheNormm07]

Kevin Lee's spin low kick was an Andy Huge's favorite

[@zzz910_]

That last kick to the leg is brutal lol

[@jameshotchkiss5577]

I love your channel and whole gang

[@SurfKwonDo1]

All these are gold. Definitely drilling these 🤙

[@Kadranos]

I've always been fond of the "Spinning Bird Kick."

[@soulja304]

KZbin Martial Artist committee meeting

[@RedBannanaProduction]

God damn it Mike, you reinvented another kung fu move. I've heard it called the "purple helmet kick" for some reason and I've only seen like one dude who can use it effectively. And here you are as a non kung fu guy with a perfect tutorial.

[@hard2hurt]

Purple helmet huh?

[@RedBannanaProduction]

@@hard2hurt yeah I have no clue why it's called that either