"Hardcore wasn't in a good spot [until the loot buffs]" - Mini Podcast w/

[@ExiledVessel]

Itemization is gonna be a bigger pain when we have 6 other weapon types dropping on the floor.

[@chrislao180]

The system needs to be changed for sure right now its just wisdom scroll with extra steps thats not crafting.

[@MirroredDreamscape]

@@chrislao180 The only thing it really needs is the old Crafting Bench imo. It's really weird to me how everybody's adopted this whole 'wisdom scroll with extra steps' line word for word, and also weird how this has always been the case. Even Alteration orbs and Scouring orbs were just wisdom scrolls with extra steps, people are just complaining that they have to actually go out and find their bases more now rather than toss a hundred Alts at something until they're satisfied, which is effectively the same thing as IDing a hundred blue bases. This has Always been how crafting was in PoE; people forget this, but the core components of PoE's crafting are all pure RNG; it's _League_ mechanics that introduced 'legitimate' deterministic crafting to the game. We don't really _have_ Leagues yet, so it's hardly surprising that in its base form, the crafting in the game feels so random. Omens and High Essences could be considerably more common perhaps, but fundamentally speaking, the problem people are having with crafting in PoE2, whether they're willing to admit it or not, is that it's two weeks old and doesn't have ten years' worth of leagues to exploit the mechanics of to craft GG gear on league start.

[@chrislao180]

@@MirroredDreamscape spamming gum currency is already a big change compared to insta bricked items. But I agree this game needs the crafting bench asap.

[@Macronaso]

I've been thinking about all the stuff missing from the drop pool... it's not only the other weapon types, many shields and weapons with skills (such as wands) are missing too. I wonder how the game will feel with a gear loot table that is going to be so diluted.

[@coreyrachar9694]

Two people talking about poe while grinding poe is just the perfect thing to listen to while grinding poe.

[@ulrichson506]

Hell yeah

[@craneology]

Nothing I love more than two people not paying attention to the conversation.

[@nguyentri3608]

​@@craneology what about three people not paying attention to the convo?

[@vhynndize4548]

i just did this lmao

[@the_gengar_master]

Kinda makes me wanna grind poe tbh

[@sloesty]

"minor affliction" bricks my whole build. Imagine running ci lmao

[@vladislavkouchnarev1227]

It's a minor affliction because it does absolutely nothing to 2/3 archetypes, just like how a CI character doesn't give a flip about no armor, or no evasion. A major affliction is something that would really hurt any character.

[@arturvegis2571]

I run ci, easy content

[@Kinjara]

RE: Towers What if towers range they revealed scales with the tier of the map you run on them? This would incentivize running higher tiers and make running them more worthwhile because you would reveal much larger swatches of the map

[@asluckdespairs]

I dont need to see more vaal factories and mires. I'd rather see less. 😂

[@oomeoo93]

I had the same thoughts, layout is not fun regardless tho

[@smezbuilds9897]

Bro getting perfect jewellers like candy. 1 week and I've not seen a single greater even

[@imLeyt0n]

He plays 12 hours a day for a living

[@smezbuilds9897]

@imLeyt0n I've been degenerate gaming too these holidays

[@PsycoMouse]

So about the trials. I know this might be unpopular, but I think they re fine now, but this is with the knowledge that there will be a 3rd quest style one in the future. The first 2 ascends are infinite retries. When we get the 3rd it will be too, so the only one that can be a fail and no retry is the 4th which is the same as poe1. However that doesn't fix the now issue that the 3rd ascend is locked behind the 2 and there is no retry. And there are some balance passes that need to be looked at. I just feel we are judging a bit harsh on an incomplete system. Judge what's there but understand there is a missing component.

[@ByoUng-g4c]

izaro really was fine this is developer slop tbh. ascendancy and mapping were obviously rushed out theres noway

[@PsycoMouse]

@ByoUng-g4c it's fine in comparison but it really was shit too. I don't mind the trials first run. It's run 2 and 3 where depending on the build it's brutal. On my war I literally was farming 2 floor runs out to build up relics, ND even then needed the nerf to dots to complete floor 3. So make no mistake I get the why it's unpopular. But let's be real, saying this is trash I want poe 1 isn't going to fix the issues. Voice proper feedback in a respectful manner and it will be changed. Maybe not exactly how you want it, but to something better.

[@imLeyt0n]

Brain damage

[@imLeyt0n]

@@ByoUng-g4cit’s a known fact they in fact did rush it out and made it early access for that reason of the endgame being the main factor high retention, it’s the only reason the early access is 6 months to a year before releasing the full F2P version, bugs the shit out of me that people whine about PoE 2 “EARLY ACCESS” being broken like do folks not listen to why they’re even able to play the game

[@Revenant6155]

These POE podcasts are great! Thanks for doing them

[@ivanshulika5359]

Great format, so chill to watch

[@jeuzus]

AMAZING ideas for balance in this podcast, i think the rarity is in a great spot for ssf, bad spot for softcore, especially masssssive props to ventura, i tought he had wonderful ideas, especially with quest versions having first time loot only but easyer progression with : no honour sanctum and maybe 30% less dmg/hp bosses or actual boons in trial of sekima and djin dao(might have missspelled it)

[@jeuzus]

thanks for giving the GGG team great ideas for the hollidays :D (not part of ggg lol) also love the content. (more comments = more interaction) right?

[@orvos8448]

My first greater essence was in act 1 in my first playthrough, I used it and had a very different expectation of it's rarity as a result. Have not received another yet.

[@ReallyNotAGoose]

Same. I found a greater essence in the king of the mists arena in act 1 and haven't found another

[@adognamedsally]

Re: Convocation I think they wanted to solve the minion ai issue by giving you the ability to command minions rather than giving you a teleport skill. Fix minions body blocking each other and that key would be a fine enough solution.

[@winzers]

RE: Towers: Just have a low road and a high road, low road is a quick run to a random boss and the low road is a quick straight shot to the top and plays like a poe 1 tower map

[@Xanthus-5c]

Really love these! Can not have too much poe podcasts

[@fluffybunnyofdespair1145]

I think the Vaal orbs when they do magnitude divine as well.

[@asluckdespairs]

They do, so divining before vaal is useless (unless you hit the enchant implicit) If you're only vaaling for the chance of elevating the mod never divine first

[@MRJoMama966]

"Nobody is using accuracy rings", me playing titan.

[@Disciple_]

I'm really enjoying this series

[@Ensyd]

My demon form witch got one shot by the bird with 3.5k EHP and 60/60/60/50 res while I was 5 levels. Did it again on soft core and got the chimera and killed him easy :(. Haven’t died since, rest in peace my beautiful HC toon.

[@droid5785]

Is this neversinks loot filter? I swear i updated the other day and it started filtering bad items but still hasnt changed the colors to what im seeing here. Not the end of the world but curious if he uses his own or a public one

[@angelknives2843]

It's his own

[@asluckdespairs]

Bad layouts are not a minion issue. Even on my deadeye with tailwind, every move speed node, movement speed gems, and wasting my weapon swap on blink with cooldown recovery shield and nodes, a majority of the layouts feel terrible.

[@Upright777]

Gauntlet rooms in trials would be nicer if they were trap only instead of traps and monsters. Playing that room as a warrior is a little rough. Playing that room co-op with a minion friend is aids.

[@Dulk4]

Did they fix ancient aegis not giving the ES?

[@diogenesenuts]

1:18:57 what map mod did he say?

[@michikiffon]

25 Elemental Pen

[@rickallen8767]

Only thing I sort of disagree with is the ascendancy. Just because we get all 4 in PoE 1 relatively easily why does this mean the 4th has to be easy in PoE 2, just because? Getting to 100 is also a task and that is 10 extra passives over the normal player. Just because a thing is in a game doesn't mean everyone should get it, I like this return to difficulty.

[@Sidnv]

I definitely disagree with Ventrua about the end game being in a good state atm, and I think there will be some numerical tweaking there. There's a lot of fun there, but also a lot of frustration. The amount of grind you need currently to generate bosses other than the breach and exped boss is pretty nuts, and all of the juicing mechanics are locked behind these boss grinds (which I also think is pretty bad, mapping itself should give some mechanic juicing points). The regrind from map tier 1 to 10 is going to feel pretty bad if nothing is changed there, since every progression mechanic other than the main atlas tree is so backloaded. Citadels also can't be as absurdly rng as they are now. I also think they will have to add some qol regarding being able to search the atlas, once you've done a lot of maps, scrolling through it becomes pretty untenable.

[@Snugs_TTV]

Eternal knights are waaaaaaaaaaay to strong

[@donaldpeace]

How do you do an ubber run?

[@donaldpeace]

Does he just mean the 4 trial run with zerok?

[@фанатКуплинова-ь1е]

@@donaldpeace There are unique relics that allow for an uber run but have major penalties like having only 1 honor or not being able to get boons.

[@ReallyNotAGoose]

When people talk about "Uber Lab" (or use the word Uber in the context of gaining an ascendancy), they're talking about the trial required to gain your final 2 ascendancy points.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

Local knowledge should just be default behavior

[@imLeyt0n]

Bro I swear the majority of people think that Hardcore means the game is harder like a setting one could switch in other games to make it legit harder not that when you die you go to character selection or like with this game softcore realm even though it says it in the description it’s sad how folks either don’t how to read or don’t understand basic definitions

[@GordKeen]

Game is way to trading focused. It won't last on the market unless they make substantial buffs to loot or create a SSF mode with 3,000% buffs to all loot drops

[@Rjasper499]

Are you serious? The hubris it takes to make a comment like this is insane

[@captainn-tgm]

The comment is not without merit, just exaggerated. The game is too trade focused. I want to find/craft my gear, not navigate to a website, and pay for it. Currently, you have to no-life the game if you don't want to trade, and that is bad design to have one that is obviously better than the other. Last Epoch is trying something for non-traders. It's not perfect, but at least you have an opportunity for advancement without giving up your marriage and firstborn child.

[@mynameisfake6217]

Agreed. This is, for all intents and purposes, a single player game balanced around trading with other players. And that’s real dumb. Hell I wish they had an offline mode, when I die in maps it’s always because of desync and nothing else.

[@MonkeyDuckTruck]

Poe1 did fine with this system for 10 years 😅

[@capitatv]

I agree why is tier 1 not the highest anymore. I can’t deal with change

[@imLeyt0n]

That’s why they still have PoE 1 servers on for folks who hate change, and since this being 2nd installment of the franchise I think might be more PoE 1 “Veterans” that will no doubt go back to their easy content game, btw I’m not attacking you I’m just stating a fact that if your played the 1st and have expectations then this probably won’t be the game for those kinds of individuals

[@voswouter87]

"no ascendancy change" What if there is a bigger change you make before that with less information, that also cannot be changed?

[@ziimbrotmg3981]

when ft with Fub, im looking forward to that one

[@christianmoser5848]

youtube just played an ad for an illegal PoE RMT site on this video wtf is going on 🤣

[@nightyonetwothree]

hope ggg remove +rarity nonsense and just allow players drop thing themselves w/o hidden beneath extra math multipliers for loot

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

I haven't played endgame yet but I agree on principle! It's a sort of feature that doesn't really make sense to Me, either the loot is balanced and it makes it unbalanced, or it is not high enough and it makes it balanced... It seems like a stat that straight up defeats the loot design, so to speak!

[@LV9_x]

They absolutely will. Just right now its christmas. The choice was delay the game into january, or launch it as is, fix what holes you can, then enjoy your well deserved break. GGG are humans, and right now your expecting them to skip Christmas and do a developer crunch. Dev crunches are bad, unless it's about a topic I feel passionate on. If March 2025 we are still discussing it, then you get to say what you did, until then, just play the game as is.

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

@@LV9_x Neither of Us said they should do it before the New year or even gave a time frame at all 😉 I really hope they take a good vacation! :D It is well deserved as You say!

[@asluckdespairs]

The ground loot is not even close to viable. farm hundreds of t16s WITH 100% rarity on gear, identifying ever rare that drops and you MIGHT find ONE thats useful. And theres probably a 90% chance that its not usable by you. I farm to progress my own character, not to supply traders to flip items.

[@kjy112]

I have not hit the dopamine in poe2 compared to poe1. Maybe I need to go rarity ...

[@imLeyt0n]

Or just go back to the Poe 1

[@circaen]

First I feel like the Monk side of the Skill Tree is incredible. There are lots of different way I can go with the build. But if you know what your build needs & have an idea of the best way to do that - you are not going to feel like oh, i'm missing out! You have to make a value judgement & go with it. I have not explored the rest of the tree as much but I think this is a huge upgrade over POE where you picked the same nodes for any character in that area of it.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

meanwhile half of the left side is just downsides kek

[@imLeyt0n]

@@toukoenriaze9870 you’re wrong, you probably just don’t know how to use the skills in a way to where your making new build, don’t say well I have thousands of hours in PoE 1 blah blah blah if you were doing as great like most people say they did in the first game more less says to me and others that they had to make every skill no matter the order you took to take the skills incredibly OP whereas now you get negative interactions, seen more folks now that are PoE 1 are now being exposed because they can’t throw shit at a wall it become a masterpiece Picasso work of art

[@toukoenriaze9870]

@@imLeyt0n wasnt talking about builds ... The passives on the left side are 80% literally an upside + a downside ... While on the right it's all upside

[@mistan2403]

Imo arpgs aren't new player to the genre friendly by design and that's not changing with poe2. Unless there's new classes, a lot of ppl who are just casual arpg enjoyers will play when there's new release hype like this and never again. The endless grind and season reset meta in arpgs is not fun for people like me. So poe2 has a shelf life and player numbers will plummet ar some point to poe1 numbers

[@mistan2403]

Just adding down here. I've been really enjoying the game. I don't see myself getting to max level ever but the game is fun.

[@imLeyt0n]

Also adding I believe the OP opinion is going to be proved wrong in the fact that what other games are their like PoE 2 F2P not counting PoE 1 if not this game what other game is there and if you say Diablo 4 then I see why you wrote the comment to begin with

[@allnamestakenisnot]

This man said he likes crafting in poe 2, damnit Ventura xD. WHAT CRAFTING even with omens lmao. Its so BADGE.

[@asluckdespairs]

Tiered rare items are bad. The system is a GREAT idea, but current implication is just bad. Tier 4 rares are on average all bad mods. See a tier 5 expert bow drop with double light radius and 2 accuracy mods. The weighting on useful mods vs the mods they put in to be so bad they contrast is not balanced properly. And theres is no reason a tier 5 unidentified rare should be worse than a blue item that drops in act 1. But its more common than getting a useable item. Let alone a good item.

[@conto7032]

Endgame is dry, there is nothing to do. No clear sense of progression or ability to chose what you want to go. Example: I want to go Sandspit maps but i do not have any beaches ... When map is RIPed You have tu run huge map on T1 tablet so you do not lose higers and it is just a waste of time. (in delve it made sense as it was like 30 s but in maps it takes like 5-10 minutes of gething nothing) And maps with foliage (why it cant be burned like in poe 1? ) AoEs can't be seen by my colorblind ass.

[@EveryNova]

People complain too much. Look at Ziz goes "I love the game so much" and proceeds to complain about 10 things and criticize 10 more things. Oh yeah, it's the beta so we should criticize every aspect that is new/different from PoE 1. Same goes with Krip, feels like Krip is having worst time of his life playing PoE 2.

[@sirdoobiehowzer3888]

? It literally is early access and the perfect time to criticize stuff. It’s completely possible to be enjoying a game and still have criticisms.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

I think the entire point of flipping the teir system IS exactly to do that ... to make you not know what the best is at first glance ... cuz imagine how much worse it feels to roll a t2 mod when t1 and 0 exist and you can see it exist without looking at a 3rd party site ... basically it culls fomo for the average player

[@upside9485]

3rd ascendancy is literally the worst part of the entire game. -You aren’t told how far you have to go to get points. -minor afflictions brick builds -one shots unless you’re build is “meta” -RNG is crazy to block character progression Difficulty is not always good. Challenge is always good. GGG using a hated mechanic to hide character ascending behind is fucking crazy and gets me so tilted. Almost uninstalled.

[@imLeyt0n]

I don’t like this dude as much he seems more less a PoE 1 vet demanding reform because it’s not what he’s used to

[@EyeXombie]

My whole problem with the game is it's just a casino loop simulator. When i watch streamers play they don't even look like they're having fun. They remind me of the people who play slot machines for 10 hours at the casinos. Eyes glossed over and just pulling the lever waiting for the next dopamine hit. It seems to be more addictive than actual fun. The randomized gambling mechanics have put me off entirely. Act 1 was fun.. After that you realize it's just gambling. The game gets worse and worse through act 2 and 3 and then end game tops it off with horrible mechanics.

[@tomburgundy7200]

Play hardcore, Makes it way more fun

[@CypherOfSolace]

Welcome to every game with randomized loot.

[@atroce6244]

Arpgs are not for you.

[@Zainowb]

What is this take? I mean that's games in general, especially arpgs. When you play games to a certain degree you are suspending your disbelief. That's how entertainment works. Congrats, you've solved that most games are triggering your dopamine receptors regularly.

[@CIII__]

Buld is the wrong place lol

[@jdawglmao]

Streamer like you got paid to hype the game towards us. It's no near it was advertised in countless interviews. You streamer people have probably forgotten this, but here's a friendly reminder: you're the player's representatives, not GGG's strategic marketing ambassadors. You've sold yourself to betray the same people that give you their money. - Boring endgame - Repetitive maps - Tideous grinding - Obsolete on-death XP punishment - Cafting is just a theory; everyone just buys what they need - Massive bugs, visual glitches, disconnects - Lack of server performance - Group mapping is the only way of leveling - Missing 99.9% of MTX from PoE 1 - Game is barily playable in 1080p - 4K 120Hz? I can offer you 2 fps - In-game shop's MTX are too expensive - Copy/Paste low effort armor MTX with 2005 visuals - Massive currency inflation - Console experience is even worse Was there any negative streamer feedback from pre-testing the game? Just a single one from the above?? No. Because they were told to hold on their critics after the game launched and made money. PoE 1 Veterans get mad because it's not even close to the original experience. Casual players get frustrated because 3 hours of grinding laggy maps is worth nothing when you just die once. And every critic from players like myself is treated the same way: "Bro, chill. It's early access man. What do you expect? The game will be free eventually." The official forums are flooded with complaints, feedback, bug reports and opinions. Instead of begging us to give you our money to see you actually enjoying the game, and in return posting the same nonsensical build showcase video, you should stand your ground and talk about the real problems. If I invest time and money, I want something in return. In this case I can't enjoy playing because the game lacks in performance. And I can't progress because if I only make one mistake within two hours of grinding T15 maps and die, I'll be put back at the start of my XP bar.

[@xxfortniteslayer69xx82]

Half the stuff youre listing exists in poe1 as well or is an issue on your side, because i have no performance issues at all and i often chat in global chat about that and i see nobody having problems. There are many bugs and the game is not fleshed out, which can easily be explained with your favorite argument: its early access :) I personally have a lot of fun and am just looking forward too how much they will eventually improve a game that is already this good

[@jdawglmao]

@@xxfortniteslayer69xx82 Okay, name the 50% of the my listed issues that also apply to PoE 1. Even if you try hard, you won't even come close to 50%. And who cares about PoE 1 anyway at this moment? I'm saying PoE 2 is not as good as it was advertised by GGG and hand-selected streamers.

[@xxfortniteslayer69xx82]

@@jdawglmao boring endgame, tideous grinding, repetitive maps, crafting is just a theory, xp loss on death, group lvling, mtx too expensive. :D PoE2 surpassed my expectations tbh, i have no idea what you expected, especially since its early access :))))

[@CooIKieIRaider]

it is a early access for 30$. its not an expensive game and has even in its current state very good value and how did streamers sell themselvves they are just playing the game lmao. ^^

[@CypherOfSolace]

​@jdawglmao Repetitive maps- most streamers run the same map over and over again in poe 1, like crimson temple 1000s of times for Apothecary cards Tideous grinding- been in ARPGs since diablo 2, running the same boss for days for a 0.2% drop Obsolete on-death XP punishment- also in poe1, just git gud. Games shouldn't reward corpse running. Massive bugs, visual glitches, disconnects Lack of server performance - never played an early access game before compare minecraft beta or alpha to release. Group mapping is the only way of leveling- solo self found exists, if ur dying ur gear isn't good enough for the content ur doing Missing 99.9% of MTX from PoE 1- again early access tho they have been rolling over mtx with each update, they have a whole year. Game is barily playable in 1080p 4K 120Hz? I can play the game on the Steam Deck In-game shop's MTX are too expensive- go buy the $500 dollar ahri skin or the $300 new Arcane jinx skin in LOL or the $45 CoD bundles Massive currency inflation- you never play any online game before? That's runescape to BDO to guild wars to elsword to lost Ark Console experience is even worse- consoles can barely run their own exclusive $70 dollar games at 30FPS