Do Buddhists Believe in Reincarnation?

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@MrStrocube 17 сағат бұрын

Reincarnation freaks me the hell out. I don’t wanna come back and have to do a life all over again. I want off the wheel. Happy holidays, Brad. Thank you so much for your channel and all the work you do. 🙏🏼🤘🏼

@michaelmcclure3383 12 сағат бұрын

That's how liberation was always conceived.. off the samsararic wheel. Traditional Upanishads talk about samsara in terms of a constant cycle, through human births, births in heavens, hells and back again.. and the futility of that. Imagine doing great works and going to heaven and then it suddenly evaporates and you're back on earth (because the merit is used up)

@MrStrocube 12 сағат бұрын

@ Yeah, not a happy thought.

@michaelmcclure3383 12 сағат бұрын

@@MrStrocubeI once went to this nadi astrology place in india and they apparently told me my last life. They said I had been wealthy and had all kinds of temples built, pujas performed and all kinds of charitable acts... and here I am sitting in their nadi center again on earth right haha

@michaelmcclure3383 11 сағат бұрын

@MrStrocube to me, the fact that there is a strong desire for liberation is the ultimate blessing though, more than heaven. In traditional advaita vedanta they do a ceremony where they renounce heaven, did you know that? Because a seeker of liberation can't have heaven as their goal.

@MrStrocube 11 сағат бұрын

@ I dunno, man. Isn’t desire what keeps us bound to the cycle of death and rebirth?

@shokuchideirdrecarrigan7402 9 сағат бұрын

Yes, I had some experiences when my mother died-2007 also. Some happened at Green Gulch where I was living and later was ordained. I always wondered why Soto Zen teachers do not address what happens after death when every other Buddhist tradition does, some in great detail. Recently my teacher introduced some aspects of doing memorial ceremonies and funerals, and an article we read includes some detailed descriptions and timelines post death as part of soto zen belief.. I was quite surprised, asked about this, and received no answer, so far. Interesting talk-thank you.

@iansmith8783 7 минут бұрын

I also had an experience with a John Lennon song the day after my father died, before i knew he had passed, very suddenly and unexpectedly. The song Out of the Blue came on my playlist and i imagined that my father had died and it was his message to me. John Lennon was his favorite musical artist. Then less than 2 hours later i got a call from my sister and found out my father had died the day previous, my birthday incidentally.

@CRGreeley 11 сағат бұрын

Good chat! Regarding the 'weird stuff' you spoke of at the end--I grew up with 'ghosts' in my family (Welsh ancestry, it's cultural thing) and my great grandmother was the keeper of such family lore. I'll spare you the stories because they're not really that important, but when I started learning about Buddhism from the Soto Zen perspective I spent some time trying to reconcile the ideas I'd grown up with--particularly the question of 'well, if there's no soul or enduring essence, then what is it?' and I soon came to profit with 'Inmo' (the universal it) and the idea that everything is of course deeply interconnected. So, we, ourselves, in a way, share quite a bit in common with "ghosts", when we look at the absence of an enduring personal self--and the interconnectedness of all things suggests that a conduit could exist--somehow(?)--where we could occasionally bump into things near or far, either in time or space. So your experience with your mom or your friend are not exactly out of hand. It's just not in the way many of us were raised to believe. If there are no things out there that are truly separate, then maybe it's like 'why not?' Anyway, Merry Christmas!

@michaelmcclure3383 12 сағат бұрын

Your experience with the John Lennon song mirrors alnost exactly an experience that my mother had! Not long after her husband died (she remarried later in life) she heard a song suddenly play and it was 'their song' a song of great sentimental value to both of them. It played in its entirety and stopped. My mum assumed it was coming from a particular radio.. but when she examined it she found it had no batteries. Not only Buddhists and hindus, but apparently Helenistic culture did too believed in reincarnation ( the myth of Er in the Plato's Republic) Its odd because i do have a distinct memory of being drawn to or 'choosing' my mother, I've had numerous unexplainable experiences and ive been to a nadi place in india where they had all the significant details of my past, as well as the last life in Shri Lanka apparently and i had a whole reading just on that. They also said i have no future births but anyway Yet, I'm also completely doubtless that what i am is unborn and was never incarnated to begin with.

@smlanka4u 6 минут бұрын

Beliefs (Ditthi) must be removed to be enlightened.

@azraeldeaguiar 9 сағат бұрын

I think that, whether or not Buddhism wants to allow for the reincarnation of a "personalistic" aspect, this would be irrelevant due to the dissolution and non-reality of this aspect that we take as "I", as "identity"... because what we understand as "I", as "ourselves" is a gross construct of complete illusion of individuality, existing only for the purpose of separating ourselves from the whole in order to experience life in a differentiated way. that is, this thing, even if it were reincarnated, is a "piece" and therefore, saying that we reincarnate is irrelevant because this piece would not even be the true self. Something that, in itself, is totally devoid of personality, is something transpersonal, like the atma. So ok. Buddhism could say it in two ways: yes, we reincarnate in this 'personalistic' piece, and we would reincarnate in the transcendent transpersonal piece, but in the second case, because this thing never even really died. He is beyond this body. The ultimate question is: Do you eliminate your suffering by reincarnation? No. So why cling to it. Live life here and now. Get rid of suffering while you are still aware of it. You may live one life or a thousand... The suffering will be the same. Greater or lesser kharma... Reincarnation or no reincarnation. None of this is relevant because suffering will continue to occur as long as there is this false sense of self present in all of us. And this false sense is what will put you in an endless cycle of reincarnation. So in the end... Is it really worth believing in reincarnation or not? The tragedy will be the same.

@michaelmcclure3383 8 сағат бұрын

The impersonal, or none individualized Awareness (what you are) was never incarnated, so won't be reincarnating any time soon. Its just what is now, even as perceptions are constantly shifting and alternating between various states, like waking, dream.. deep sleep.. the interim between death, various realms and so on. The idea of Incarnation/reincarnation includes hell, heaven, better or worse human births and so on. The desire to remain Incarnated, as well as to avoid hell.. attain heaven are all included. Its not a small thing. It's the stuff of the majority of religion.

@azraeldeaguiar 8 сағат бұрын

@@michaelmcclure3383 Yes. It may indeed not be a small thing. But for Buddhist thought, is reincarnation really that relevant? If Buddha and other authorities avoid giving it so much importance... in addition to all the assumptions that insist on remembering the importance of the PRESENT... reincarnation does not seem to be something relevant to practice. Not something to be held to with such zeal. And I do not say this in the sense of not believing in reincarnation, but rather of not clinging to this aspect. Just as one should not cling to gods, or demons or ghosts that, regardless of their existence, will not eliminate the suffering that is the tragedy of life.

@azraeldeaguiar 8 сағат бұрын

Personally, in theoretical terms, I find it an extremely interesting subject. But I am aware that this will not make me any less of a "sufferer", so to speak...

@michaelmcclure3383 8 сағат бұрын

@azraeldeaguiar well, if reincarnation is irrelevant then so is the law of cause and effect (karma), because they're intimately related. I'd say for the vast majority of Buddhists and Hindus such things are front and center.. not enlightenment, not actual liberation from samsara. Real interest in liberation is for the few, as ever I know Buddhists squabble ahout the Hindu notion of the jiva.. which dualistic hindus say reincarnates, but they seem just as caught up in reincarnation and karma they just frame it differently. I come from a Vedantic pov and it seems a lot simpler in Advaita Vedanta, maybe because they address it more. Basically they say from the pov of the assumed individual there is karma, there is reincarnation, other realms and so on. But from the pov of the Self none of it is real.. nor does it pertain to our true nature. I guess for Buddhists no self is foundational.. so more intricate gymnastics are required at the exoteric level of their religion to affirm the truth of karma and reincarnation.. because who does it pertain to exactly? So you find zen masters like Dogen saying various contradictory things about reincarnation. That's not surprising because it depends who he's talking to doesn't it.