HardLore: Underrated Hardcore Bands

Colin and Bo talk about their respective lists of Underrated Bands across hardcore, metal and punk... Mostly hardcore, but Bo doesn't like to listen to the rules.
From Japanese punk, to lesser known New York hardcore, to the forgotten bands of their youth, this comprehensive list is another great roadmap to set you on your path of discovering more hardcore and hardcore related music.
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[@diegos7455]

This was actually fun to do, enjoy 🙃 5:12 25 ta life (NYHC. Ricktalifeonahorse) 8:11 Fear (California punk) 10:28 Judgement (Japanese hc. NO REASON WHYYYY) 13:32 Mental (Boston hc. Lockin'out is chef kiss) 17:12 Cold front (Nyhc) 19:35 So be it (Boston hc) 21:37 Ryker's (German hc) 23:13 Wound up (Chicago hc) 25:03 Mindsnare (Australian hc) 28:07 Rise & fall (Belgian hc) 31:02 Crumbsuckers (Long Island crossover) 34:04 Beastmilk (Finnish post punk) 36:21 Dying breed/Section 8 (Troycore) 41:28 The repos (Chicago hc) 44:49 454 big block (Boston metal/hc) 46:11 Only living witness/Sam black church (Boston metal/hc) 48:54 Ringworm (Cleveland hc) 52:04 Agents of man/Train of thought (Njhc) 54:57 Violent minds (California hc) 59:49 Wisdom in chains (Pennsylvania hc) 1:03:09 Strength for a reason (Pennsylvania hc) 1:03:58 The hope conspiracy (Boston hc) 1:10:24 Dmize (nyhc) 1:11:55 Disgrace (California death metal/hc) 1:15:51 Death threat (Connecticut hc) 1:18:52 Dag nasty (DC punk) 1:22:00 Into another (NY post hc) 1:24:00 Underdog (Ny/Nj hc) 1:25:46 Maximum penalty (Nyhc) 1:28:14 Bolt thrower (UK death metal) 1:31:58 Snake eyes/Piece by piece/Internal affairs (California hc) 1:36:14 Carry on (More California hc!) 1:38:19 Black breath (Seattle death metal. RIP Elijah) 1:43:18 Knife fight (California hc. Todd Jones is god) 1:45:16 Dead city (They were from Memphis, not Arkansas haha) 1:47:45 Turning point (Njhc. RIP Skip) 1:50:17 Internal bleeding (Long island slam death metal) 1:51:36 The killer (Chicago hc) 1:56:22 Zero tolerance (Buffalo, NY hc)

[@knotfest]

Thank you for your service.

[@connor7329]

clutch

[@dylanraffaelli5204]

😊p😊😊😊😊 rise and fall is nutsily underrated generation switch *torch emoji

[@branchdravidian]

Thank you brother

[@Dhieen]

Bolt Thrower??? nice haha

[@bencamilleri3239]

Bo sleeveless, Colin sleeved?? This is our multiverse of madness

[@LILDIRTNAPX]

had to spin my top and see if it would fall

[@Matthiacle666]

So take a trip with me to the multiverse of maaaaadnessssss

[@BassyTX]

Bo’s audio works and Colin’s doesn’t in this universe

[@christianalfaro2461]

Mental still gets talked about. The only reason why you don’t see younger folks in Mental shirts is because they are impossible to find in large and extra large.

[@Slamyourclam]

I might be in the minority here, but my musical background is in metalcore/deathcore/pop punk/indie. So sometimes I feel like I'm in a Spanish class learning by ear. But I've picked up so much good hardcore music from this podcast. I appreciate the work you boys do.

[@jbasti227]

Same here on all fronts dude. After being more so into rock and metal for a while, the styles you mentioned also introduced me to hardcore (especially metalcore). Hatebreed, ADTR, and Stick To Your Guns were the earliest bands I remember getting into that opened the door for me to get into more hardcore stuff and this pod has been a key player in further broadening my horizons

[@Slamyourclam]

@Joseph Bastidas yeah I took the natural trajectory nu-metal (back in the early 2000s) to metalcore AILD, Killswitch etc by the time I was in 8th grade. Wasn't until high school that I grew from that into deathcore, pop punk, indie etc, and what I considered hardcore for years. (Graduated 09) And that bracket was Stick To Your Guns, Liferuiner, Recon, Counterparts, The Ghost Inside, Hundredth, early Being As An Ocean, etc. Little did I know that almost all of that stuff leans more metal than core.

[@joebreakerx]

We can hear Bo. Colin sounds like Stone Cold. This is going to be a banger.

[@masterofnull9695]

He sounds like Stone Cold Bam Margera

[@dustinbaxter4521]

He really does sound like Bam

[@BabyfaceThompson]

BLACK BREATH, if you see this, please come back!

[@CH-ml4rz]

You two are phenomenal hosts

[@cjklemonski1938]

Good to hear that ringworm/mindsnare split mentioned. I actually wrote the music to the ringworm song "one day" on that. I don't think most people know it exists

[@OOF986]

Switching Sleeves

[@bigmono3000]

Great band name

[@PARTYGUYNW]

Black Breath that sick pick. Was able to catch a Sabertooth Zombie show with my guy Ace (guitarist of BB) when I was visiting Seattle few weeks ago and the throwback vibes were real. Got a lot of those from this upload. Disgrace!!! Those couple shows on the Twitching Tongues/Ill Intent tour 2012, what a time. Great episode!

[@dylanraffaelli5204]

Broooo no wayyyyy Colin hearing you reference my hometown of Simi was crazy! 805 all day homie. I grew up there all my life and honestly if I knew growing up that a band like twitching tongues or gods hate would play in our hometown...you have no idea lol we always had pulley and strung out as our local homegrowns but no legit hxc action to speak of really..idk I just really felt some love hear you mention Simi Valley...the ironic part Colin? I two months ago moved to Hartford, probably really close to YOUR hometown

[@misanthropist3]

Check out Scared Straight, RF7 and It Came From Slimey Valley compilation

[@fcaioki7949]

Awesome seeing Train of Thought in the list

[@MichaelKent-uu9tl]

Judgement isn't on any streaming unfortunately. Stoked to see they were included though.

[@hannahkozlovic1715]

Hardlore time is the best time of my day

[@bxebxe1986]

Wild that Mindsnare was mentioned. They just played a run of shows in support of their 30th anniversary of being a band. They killed it as always and continue to put out amazing material.

[@krazitmetalfoo]

Judgement is a great pick! Respect for name dropping bands like Framtid, Bastard, and Death Side! Some of the best to ever do it 🔥

[@jfunkytown2625]

Went to The Heist in 04' at Darien Sportsplex in the burbs of Chicago- my buddy and I all of 14-15 years old. I stayed off to the side during The Killer sensing danger... he went into the pit and got knocked out cold, some big dude, good Samaritan really, slung him over his shoulder and carried him out of the pit like it was an evacuation from a warzone. Then Dead to Fall came on and tore the house down. Good times, brotherhood.

[@LANGI902]

So many good bands from the Lockin Out era ... Mental, Righteous Jams, Crunch Time, Rampage, Wrong Side, Stop & Think, RZL DZL, Cold World, Iron Age, Rival Mob, Free Spirit, Power Trip, Krimewatch, etc.

[@xaxxxpx]

Krimewatch wasn't good, and also wasn't from the peak lockin out era.

[@LANGI902]

@@xaxxxpx Their 2018 album was released on Lockin Out.

[@LANGI902]

@Five Year Winter I get what you're saying though they weren't a part of the main wave of bands. I like them though, to each his own.

[@NatexCarr]

The fest Bo is referring to was called "Clevo Fest" and had three dates some time in 2004 iirc. One of which was in Dayton, Ohio. Bit of a weird lineup. Cast Aside opened but Nodes of Ranvier also played. Can confirm 25 Ta Life played, as I distinctly remember getting beaten up to "Short Fuse".

[@cjklemonski1938]

Ryker's was an excellent inclusion. I had to pay double in 96-97 for ground zero and lesson in loyalty to get them as imports. Totally worth it. I gotta fire up the sander at work so I'll continue later but I hope Train of Thought is on here

[@the_real_tay_loud2072]

We at it again YALL! commenting on the intro before I even watch the video🙏🙌

[@hotwatermusic_]

hotwatermusic's *OFFICAL* entries to this conversation: *The Carrier:* Alcatraz (One Year Later) *Love Is Red:* My Life (The Hardest Fight) *Guns Up!:* Foolin' Who (All This Is) *Watchfire:* God Machine (Two Years in the Valley) Honorable Mentions: *Go It Alone:* Relics (Histories) *The Hope Conspiracy:* They Know Not (Death Knows Your Name) *Ambitions:* Neon Lights (Question EP)

[@rickyjulian5897]

Dude the Carrier is one of my favorite HC bands!

[@816yardcore]

Love is Red was so fun. What excellent dudes - when they broke up the members joined so many great bands - drummer -> Evergreen terrace Roger (guitarist) - sinking ships and wait in vain/Trial and Jeff ?Yancy moved to Chicago and was in Haunted Life or Expired Youth and probably some others. Anyway i caught 'em like 5 times in 03-05. Recently went back and listened to Relics, and that hope consipracy lp and they're both the best things those bands did

[@theinvisiblemusic]

Stoked that you gave The Killer some love.

[@diazable]

mom just left after a month long vacation with me here in korea. and now im sad. but hardlore is making my day better now ^^

[@ArneVanDuppen]

The Rise and Fall song you're referring to (seemingly featuring the Ringworm singer) is called The Void, and it features the vocalist of Reproach

[@thecheesefilledllama]

Great choices, so many bands I've never heard of. I'd love a more regional variant too, there are so many more under-rated bands from the UK alone that I remember and no one seems to talk about anymore

[@RoughneckMedia]

Shoutout to Bo for mentioning Beastmilk. absolutely incredible Band!

[@EvanxBurke]

Saw 25 ta life at the showcase in 2005 and accidentally kicked him when I was stage diving and he called me the F slur and called me out for wearing a Belle and Sebastian shirt. I still laugh about that to this day.

[@melaronin9173]

I just heard black breath 2 weeks ago and was floored that I hadn’t heard it before.

[@mheberling5939]

Dude, 25 ta life “strength through unity” was such a raging record. Still jam it.

[@hatinassmf]

2:30 THAT WAS ME AND MY FRIEND TALKING ABOUT SPIN KICKS LMAOOO

[@jmanitowabi]

why hasn’t todd been on the pod yet fellas

[@cjklemonski1938]

Train of Thought made it! My old ass actually went up front to sing along when Bulldoze did hourglass at BNB. Love this band. Most underrated ever

[@sgtbucksauce9129]

I now know that shits creek isn’t a kill your idols song. Crumbsuckers was one of their hometown heroes. New fan.

[@mikegriffin8333]

PUSHBUTTON WARFARE!! holy crap that takes me back. Their shows were a riot. I wish I still had their albums, I'd love to hear them again.

[@mikegriffin8333]

@stevejohn4216 good looking out! I don't know why I never thought of checking KZbin for it. Thanks homie!

[@electricwarrior6991]

Second time watching this episode and second time it’s sending me down a big Black Breath rabbit hole. Miss that band

[@plumbunrecords518]

Yoooo mad respect to Colin for shouting out Section 8 they are local legends. They sold out Northern Lights within 3 days when they announced the reunion back in 2014 I got paid the day after it sold out 😂😂😂

[@thechantz666]

Colin speaking to Bo in Meme cracks me up everytime 😂

[@fazereviewsesq.5310]

That Beastmilk LP is crazy

[@eliebf4975]

No idea if someone already mentionned it here but i think its important to mention that Cold Front is Mike Dijan's project (from Crown of Thornz/Breakdown). One of the most unique 90's hardcore guitar playing/riffer in my opinion.

[@christophermusick3795]

Knife Fight "Burning Bridges" EP easily one of the toughest hardcore punk records, that opening riff. So fucking good

[@headglue1155]

lockin' out era was legendary ! and also Sworn Enemy is my underrated pick. EDIT* DEAD CITY fucking rules so hard, way underrated, might be the best pick.

[@hotwatermusic_]

agree

[@RobynChallands]

Loving the shout out for Rise and Fall! What a band!!!

[@knightvision666]

The beginning of the video he's talking about EAST SIDE JOE'S in Vegas. 😂 That was the first and only time I saw Twitching Tongues, it was sick!!!

[@DrTabarnak]

Dead Swans is one I'd consider underrated. Hardcore punk band from England. I'd recommend "The Hanging Sun" off Southern Blue

[@tmw3489]

On what planet are they underrated?

[@reggieeeeeeee]

Here's a possible topic for the next viewer's choice vote: Modern Day Classics

[@oyepvokadub6522]

Yes! This!

[@tmw3489]

That always loses

[@markm7777]

Would love a PDF/google doc version of your lists, especially with so many non-streaming picks

[@dylanraffaelli5204]

You guys are real af for listening to yalls Playlists 😂 🔥 ❤

[@samuelmagnum6047]

Without hearing the podcast, my vote is Engineer from Syracuse. Incredibly powerful and dense.

[@chrisp464]

fuck yes

[@benxo]

Minor Threat sleeveless Bo showing major guns

[@cothib199]

Sick! Cant wait to watch this one Are you guys planning on uploading the no pressure mini in the future?

[@Enwazzirb]

colin looking very constricted in a t-shirt

[@CrookedTooth616]

Colin is lookin husky and Bo is lookin like he is getting lean. Respect. Unrelated, the first time I saw Rick from 25TL in a live setting (98-99), dude scared the shit outta me. He didn’t do or say anything to me, it was the fact that I had never encountered a human with that many tattoos up to that point. Wild shit. Anyway, if you read all of this, you’re a real one.

[@gregbaffuto4370]

Forfeit from Syracuse. I feel like you had to be going to shows in 09-'10 along the eastern seaboard to really fuck with them. dont think they ever ventured far beyond that

[@kekethebasedcat]

why is bo opening this smiling like the joker

[@niallau]

Yes, that is EXACTLY how I reacted to finding out Aaron was now in Extortion.

[@816yardcore]

Instilled is the most underrated band from the early/mid 2000's - Atlanta hardcore - i think conservative military image frontman was the vocalist in it - saw 'em twice - once with outbreak, drugtest, and iron guts kelly in KC to 16 people and it's the only time i've seen where everyone in the building was moshing - it was to outbreak - but Instilled - it goes so hard and has a bass drop that blew my dads car stereo. Oh and Few and the Proud, Left Hand Path, and Expired Youth are all criminally underrated and has remained my go to hardcore since '05. OH and The Nerve Agents

[@EvanxBurke]

is the bo in sleeveless and colin in sleeves a new bit?

[@logangivan]

Thank you for being our old heads of the internet

[@sambenevento7536]

HARDLORE TIME BABY

[@pollyanna147]

Mental/Righteous jams/Most precious blood played in NJ and mental sold out of merch carrying out the cardboard boxes out of the van in the parking lot.

[@ChuckSavage-zh6pt]

BEST HARDCORE PODCAST

[@CH-ml4rz]

I know, been knowing, about BOLT THROWER, but I never actually sat down and gave them time. Tell me where to start?

[@bosxe]

For those once loyal and work your way back

[@arthurlisi9296]

The turning point track behind this wall is god status as well.. 10/10. You can’t forget about the track Thursday either..”why is life torturing me this way”

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

Zero Tolerance was Cro Mags and Leeway combined but from Buffalo NY. In the late 80's/early 90's they were THE. band from Buffalo. I would love to see a full discography from them. They are a big reason why Buffalo hardcore for a time sounded a lot like Metallica. Check out Slug Fest, Discontent and early Snapcase to get a idea. If ZT was from NYC they probably would have been a bigger band. In Effect Records was considered singing them, I can't see a valid argument to not sign them. ZT was incredible!

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

Yoo Wisdom in Chains is one of these bands I don't understand why they didn't blow up 10 years ago.

[@Southsideassassin]

MINDSNARE

[@DEST-PMA]

Great list. I would add Faded Grey… not just talking about HC, punk, etc.. but in general. A Quiet Time of Desperation should be thought to kids in schools lol

[@heartgodmedia]

Lee Ving was also in a movie called masters of menace thats OOP and amazing. Cameos from james belushi, dan akkroyd and john candy.

[@bxebxe1986]

Also in a movie called Dudes with John Cryer and Flea. He plays a redneck villain.

[@LMIBand-rv2jr]

Judgement is sick. Definitely underrated.

[@bigmono3000]

Turmoil should be on this list.

[@killaphila666]

Their reunion at the church I have no clue which year was one of probably one of the hardest pits I've seen. There seemed to be a 300lb min weight requirement. Great band. I was young as shit and that was one of them sets I kept my head on a swivel more than usual. Several wild KOs lol Edit damn this was 2005, the promise, one dead three wounded, and all else failed opened. Speaking of underrated...AEF especially.

[@jessedampolo]

So Be It is the type of band I’d think Colin would love.

[@HoldenSXE]

Hardlore is the gift that keeps on givin all year long

[@kevxxxedge]

I learned a lot from this. But, I did expect to hear CONGRESS on this list. Especially with the Mindsnare connection. They were one of the first to mix true metal with hardcore, originators of "edge-metal", and they were incredible ...

[@bananaclipper7692]

lack of H8000 on all of these lists

[@klocc5627]

Whhrrrrrr, My baby’s a plane😂😂😂 these guys are fucking funny

[@ThePipbrendan]

i Ride for black breath so hard, Great pick, DISGRACE EP is a total banger EVERY TRACK~ Also fuck yes mindsnare!!!!!! 614!

[@dylanraffaelli5204]

Sorry not sorry for blowing up the comments but i love what yall had to say about wanting to see some artists you love and then also sometimes just wanting to keep them as that shadow silhouette in your subconscious forever, never seeing the "actual" them

[@HeyYou843]

Yooooooo! That Section 8 Album is Kasey the front man. If you like them check out Gunther Weezul members of Section 8 and Skinless. Also awesome shouts to TroyCore and Dying Breed! Pure Troyalty

[@mewithoutYou_7]

vegas show was so sick

[@justadude1984]

the entire violent minds discography is 🔥

[@jeffwise6937]

That Manscaped ad went the fuck offfff haha

[@wedgeify]

I may or may not have started listening to these all as I work from home ...

[@prestonbewley6409]

MY BABY’S A PLANE! Made me laugh so hard

[@scottgajewski3925]

So many great pics but I have to say Maximum penalty is a amazing pic! I remeber seeing them in CT in the early 2000's and me and my boy dancing hard as fuck for them. I also remeber being mad there wasnt way more people at their shows

[@aleclee1891]

So Be It was so great and so slept on.

[@AidanMacDewey]

RKL. Not just underrated, but copied endlessly. They fit into different genres. But they were by far the best punk/HC band in the mid to late '80s.

[@adamnshame95]

1:09:47 This whole segment is great now that DMIZE has reunited

[@dustybaker666]

Cold Front!! College Point Queens!!!!! Hell yeah Colin!

[@AndrewJShirley]

Apparently Lee Ving had this dialogue dubbed in too, not sure why. Clue is literally my favourite film ever, so I defo know a bit of trivia about that one.

[@TheIconflict]

My band opened for Harms Way and Dead City in Jonesboro, Arkansas in a giant storage unit. I got hit hard in the chest twice that night. Once by James from Harms Way and the other by Dead City’s intro it was pretty sick lol

[@brianbevilacqua3114]

Yes, so be it! They were fuckin hard and great live. They covered Counter by POR.

[@heathenhatchery-brian5824]

That’s Peterson on the 9 ways to say I love you album cover. He’s one of the homies.

[@cemented508]

this is missing soundclips of every band, but sick episode

[@masterofnull9695]

Make Move is my favorite underrated hardcore band.

[@misanthropist3]

Fear started in the San Fernando Valley by the way.

[@efarrell860]

just tuned in and want to say The Carrier from Massachusetts

[@hotwatermusic_]

yes

[@DR_DINGLENUT]

Surprised Strength Through Unity didnt make it on the breakdowns list

[@Carlo.WTF416]

IIIIIIII LOVE LIVIN’ IN THE CITY!!!! Ayo, Fear in The Decline of Western Civilization Part 1 is some hard ass shit IDGAF

[@braincaancer]

Fiddleheads sullenboy played as an ad before this I had to watch it all

[@mex5341]

Gatherers band! Especially - album: "Caught Between a Rock and a Sad Place". Especially - song: Death bed