Hardly Initiated guys and Dr. Umar Discussed THINGS

The men from Hardly Initiated met up with Dr. Umar to have a very long discussion. This is part one of the review. When I get back, we will go live a discuss some more.
Where there are good elements of the discussion, the turning to blame women is the underpinning of the interview, which makes it very difficult to watch. The subtext is that black women should support black men until such time as they, black men, can provide. There is no guarantee that there will be such a time or that if such a time does come, there will be reciprocity.
The two hosts do not have any capacity for discussion or meaningful questioning. While they aren't reporters, the bare minimum is to know what they are talking about or have meaningful questions to engage with what Dr. Umar brings up. Their preoccupation during the discussion centers on the sound effects and watching the live viewership count increase. Their disinterest was only dwarf by the distasteful attempt to make conversation while never really engaging with the materials from Dr. Umar.
This was reminiscent of Shannon Sharpe's interviews, which sadly has become the norm in the black online conversation space.
The lack of depth could be forgiven if there was any indication that the two hosts would improve with each interview. I guess the success of these podcasts-- a lack of meaningful discourse that requires actual engagement in conversation that interrogates the interviewee's perspective-- is what we should expect as it is what sells.
Among vs Between: www.grammarly.com/blog/between-among/
Economic shift in the USA:
cepr.org/voxeu/column s/impact-manufacturing-employment-decline-black-and-white-americans
www.americanprogress.org/article/trade-and-race/
direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/103/4/770/97657/Torn-Apart-The-Impact-of-Manufacturing-Employment?redirectedFrom=fulltext
www.niskanencenter.org/op-ed-deindustrialization-isnt-just-a-white-working-class-problem-2/
Information Age (school to get a Job):
www.unapcict.org/sites/default/files/2019-01/eprimer-infoage.pdf
www.ushistory.org/us/60d.asp
www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2022/02/09/what-is-the-digital-age-and-what-does-it-mean/?sh=2b97fb5658b2
spot.colorado.edu/~calabres/Castells%20Review.pdf
digitalcommons.usf.edu/jss/vol16/iss1/4/
Wage gap Stats:
blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap
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[@olive6679]

Mothers aren't teaching their daughters to mistrust bm. Black girls are harassed, bullied and assaulted by black boys starting in elementary school. This is why we hear black teens saying they aren't attracted to bm. I also have an issue with the assertion that fathers build a daughter's confidence in romantic relationships. Bw who don't fit the 'type' get rejected by bm. Bm love to reject, humiliate and abuse bw. That plays a part in not having the confidence that ww have that you will find a partner. It's odd that a baby daddy doesn't know that. Bp need to stop discussing relationships because these are pointless conversations meant to kill time and create drama. Umar ignores that most of bw's trauma comes directly from bm. I agree with themis that much of bm's trauma comes from not having a father. In these dudes' minds, even when the mother stays, she's the villain simply because she couldn't make dad stay. Bm need to focus on building their self esteem through accomplishment, learn to love their black skin, and stop caving in to peer pressure. Idk what umar's goal is but telling bw to keep taking broken men is not the answer.

[@NamasteInYourLane]

I was thinking recently how most of black males validation comes from outside sources. Black men do not validate themselves. They get validation from being fetishized, other men, social media, etc. They don't get validation from their accomplishments or inner work. That's why it's so easy to immasculate them because they're not self assured. Black women need to realize that black men have to do the work of building themselves up and validating themselves on their own. All other races of men have done it. Through winning wars against other men, through building, through innovation, etc. Black women cannot help black men and the more we try, the more they will use us as a crutch or a scapegoat or a distraction from overcoming their failures.

[@chanT2424]

Amen

[@ElementalWitchn]

"BP need to stop discussing relationships because these are POINTLESS CONVERSATIONS meant to KIll TIME AND CAUSE DRAMA" Girl...this is a whole word.🎯🎯🎯

[@thatimokoena8357]

​@@ElementalWitchny'all have that for the past 4 years and have they ever stopped talking about relationships????

[@janine3330]

Say it again for all of the Black men in the cheap seats! 💯

[@princesscherry-top5989]

What’s funny is they never questioned none of the nonsense that Dr. Umar was saying but they couldn’t let Princella make her point without them interrupting her.

[@miss_chelles1338]

Omg- THIS!

[@miss_chelles1338]

I literally said the same thing in the live!

[@filmadcamp1512]

Yep!!!!

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

They think women talk too much 😂

[@jossangeles4011]

She was speaking too close to the truth. Her information was scaring them. Also, she deep dived on some of the topics and I don't think they were able to follow her so they shut her down for that as well. Umar's message is basic and simple and his position is what they want as well.

[@va8196]

If black single mothers & bw r so masculine, wud their sons not turn out masculine by the masculine example of the mother???

[@Coco-nq3vg]

You know what!! Great point!!

[@princesscherry-top5989]

This is literally my thoughts.

[@LetsTalkAboutItWithMara]

Good point

[@monicac1147]

You ate with this question.

[@milliontimesover2180]

Brilliant

[@brookealicia92]

Why do bm get soooo many excuses when bw were living through the same 💩 and we don’t get any excuses but also told we aren’t held accountable?!

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

I am African and I once asked the same question on a forum where Black Men led by a TD Fakes video were calling BW masculine. It makes no sense to me either.

[@khem127]

Umar is purposely and happily dishonest. Works for him. This guy has a Phd.? Definition-disingenuous: Umar

[@va8196]

They relate to & empathize with other males, but have none for women. They r very weak & blame bw. Shows that they actually have no accountability. Blaming a woman for being a single mom but not looking at the male who made her a single mother, is a blaring example of no accountability. U cannot have 1 w/o the other but they instead choose to ignore facts & reality to suit their dereliction. They love dereliction smh.

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

@@Kevindeal1987 women in all African countries literally move the continent forward, while the men fight each other. Y'all would consider that masculine.

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

@@Kevindeal1987definitely domestic violence and femicide is a huge problem across Africa. Most women are killed by men they know. Infact, there's a protest in Kenya in the coming week against femicide. We are where USA was in the 1960s woth regards to gender relations. That said, women are literally the ones doing everything. What people online refer to as masculine and feminine energy isn't it.

[@nki5ikni5i45]

8:40 dumb dumb dumb... he really said that the black family stayed together during slavery as if that concept can even be conceivable given that they were literal property and had no say in their movements. Slave masters didn't not allow for any concept of a "black family" at any time they were being sold off and used and abused like the live stock/property they were seen and used as. What black family structure is he really trying to hold up by even referencing this. 🙄

[@valeriew4833]

"Black love" at any and all cost lol

[@ThemisThoth]

That assertion made no sense

[@chanT2424]

Exactly just this statement alone had me already pausing . It's very hard to listen to somone .A "Dr" just spewing pure ignorance and they don't even check him on that.

[@olive6679]

Lol. There was black love because bm slaves couldn't jump the broom with ww. Maybe that's what he meant.

[@khem127]

@@ThemisThothThank you Themis.

[@TaylorM]

If black men aren’t being allowed to go to school, then why don’t they apply to HBCU’s?🤯🥴

[@coconutwater4531]

Dr. Umar: Black baby mama creation expert AKA black love expert 🤓

[@jessejacobs9856]

He tells black women what they want to hear, so they ignore all the rest of the ignorant stuff that he says

[@chanT2424]

There was no "black family" during slavery . There was "breeding" and selling at the behest of "master". In thatsystem no one had any choice. Why would he refer to that as an example of when families were in tact.Women especially had no choice but to except that 1 man impregnated several women. Does he wants women to suffer in the same way now ?

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

I honestly think he thinks he is in Africa... He can't possibly be talking about the USA Black people.

[@joeshmoe0136]

Honestly, the way some of these men talk and behave, I don't think they have moved on from that time yet.

[@ElementalWitchn]

yes 🥴

[@ericap8479]

Let Dr. Umar tell it, black men are perfect victims who can neither acknowledge nor change their circumstance 😭

[@thecrimsoncure8201]

Exactly...Yet, they have ALL THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES BW have and refused to utilize them. They have yet to produce ONE PIECE of legislation that prevented BM from pursuing education but allowed ONLY BW. 😒

[@TititoDeBologay]

His implication that the lack of manual labor rendered black men useless, is so racist, it's unbelievable. Some of Us, really are into that self fulfilling prophecy. Wild.

[@joeshmoe0136]

The bigotry of low expectations

[@walterhoward5512]

Umar isn't building a school. I can't believe people are still falling for that.

[@NamasteInYourLane]

It's been almost two decades. I know there aren't people still out here waiting on a school. smh 😒😔

[@filmadcamp1512]

Dr. Umar said what held him up was that he was trying to use black contractors but all the black contractors he tried to use let him down and either did the job half way or didn't show up. He said as soon as he got a white contractor, the school started being built. According to him it's built now. Must be waiting for the city to approve it. If he think black male contractors were hard to secure, wait until he tries to secure black male teachers. As much as he been lingering with this school, black men still invite him to speak on their platform.

[@walterhoward5512]

@filmadcamp1512 He said that over a year ago. I swear, he is either the greatest scam artist of all time or black people are the biggest suckered of all time.

[@YouAreDreamingRightNow]

LIES. ALL LIES. THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ABANDONED. @@filmadcamp1512

[@nerdfantasyxox]

@@filmadcamp1512he’s such a joke and liar.

[@virgo_hershey_kisses2990]

In one breath he “takes up” for BW via pandering then turns right around and blame BW with the whole “Single Black Mother” BS 😂

[@EdenAdele]

Themis' facial expressions are ALL THE THINGS!!! #DontPlayPokerThemis 😁😁😁

[@ThemisThoth]

I literally cannot😭😭😭🙃

[@its_just_me8476]

Love this wholeeeee comment

[@somebodycomelistentothispo7217]

We were being separated and sold during slavery. What does he mean the family was together

[@dajawnchriscross]

Dr Umar said “bearing the responsibility of paying the bills and raising the children” what voice do I need from a man, if I am doing ABC AND D. The delusion is rampant. If the traditional roles show historically men have been providers and women have been caretakers and now women are performing BOTH roles, why would any mans input/voice/opinion actually matter?? Be so serious. It’s not like he is even saying, after this hiatus from responsibility men are coming back to pick up the slack. No, he is totally ok with this offloading dynamic and women still finding the ability to listen to someone’s opinion who is contributing NOTHING. Imagine building a house from scratch, every single piece of the house - foundation, plumbing, decor, electric, fixture, etc you did and some stranger off the street comes in and wants to have a “voice” about the structure you built and now want to live in but was nowhere to be found when you were building. They don’t offer to reinforce the structure or provide food, nothing If you don’t sit yourself down and the shut th up 😂. He needs to actually stop coddling men and ask the serious question as to why women are even having to do both, and what men will do to alleviate burden on women and provide for their families in some meaningful way.

[@NamasteInYourLane]

As a woman, I don't think women should share their past trauma with their spouse. There are other ways to practice trust outside of trauma bonding. Most men don't have the emotional maturity or capacity to carry their own trauma. they're definitely not going to know how to handle yours, as a woman. It is common for men to muse women's trauma and pain against them either as manipulation or shaming. Your trauma is between you and your therapist.

[@filmadcamp1512]

So should men share their trauma with women, or you feel men should trauma dump on women?

[@caralate]

Amen 🙏🏿 they will absolutely weaponize your trauma to their benefit... learned that the hard way

[@ageofaquarius8309]

💯 they use this against you later too

[@Nitra813]

I agree to an extent. You become one with your spouse. It’s important to identify or seek deliverance from your past traumas before coming together because any trauma not dealt with reattaches itself to your spouse or show up in the mares in some way. When you choose your spouse you deserve to know the entirety of the person you’re coupling yourself to. To withhold anything is to enter the marriage in dishonesty and deception and is greatly indicative of the individual (s) not being actualized or having ulterior motives. To make an actual consenting decision to be marry yourself to a person you generally have these discussions and hard discussions during premarital counseling which ironically most couples prefer to forgo. I think of the Queen Charlotte and King George arrangement. His whole family and the establishment his condition form not only the public but also his wife.

[@GreenGorgeousness]

Absolutely not. If you can't share that with that man he's not worth it. How can you raise a woman in this world without understanding trauma? Then all of them are not worth it. I'm so lucky I found a man who helped me literally heal my trauma.

[@khem127]

He's trying to thread the conversation so that Black men won't feel responsible and leave him, and he tries to cause confusion in Black women by speaking half truths. He doesn't care about the community. He only cares about his money. He's purposely shamming.

[@ElementalWitchn]

That part

[@janine3330]

EXACTLY!

[@wfrencher80]

I wish I could share my experiences as a black man that grew up with having privilege. My father is a physician, my mom is a gynecologist, and because we had access to quality resources (e.g. highly educated parents who have a great marriage, excellent schools, living in a high income community) we were set up to be successful. I have two brothers who are doctors, a brother and sister who are engineers, and I'm an electrician who earns six figures. I understand the importance of having access to resources during our years of development because we're put in a better position to have success.

[@UCanHaveHim]

Do you date all races? Trust and believe I'm all for dating whomever you wish but I know there's a connection between a BM's success and who he chooses to date and marry. Btw, I don't believe in black love and have no loyalty to any particular group but I'm curious. You don't even have to answer but it's something to think about. It's something many of us think about.

[@khem127]

Good to hear about a successful family. One day I hope we will be able to see that for all our children.

[@wfrencher80]

​@@UCanHaveHim Ive dated women of all races, but I don't attribute my success to who I've dated. I was born in Detroit, and my parents moved us to the suburbs in the early 90s. The schools I went to were probably 95 percent white, but the high school i went to is ranked in the top 10 best high schools in the state. My dad was always reading books in our home. The bar was set high in our household. My oldest brother graduated from Yale medical school, and my youngest brother got accepted to Harvard. My other older brother worked for the CIA in cyber security, and my sister is a field engineer at a big construction company. We were set up at a very young age to be equipped with the tools to become successful in life. And now that I have a kid, I understand the importance of being involved in my kid's education. Me and my wife send our kid to a great preschool. It's expensive, but it's absolutely worth every cent. My wife is a part of the executive board at the school, and I'm a part of the BIPOC committee. We're setting our kid up to be successful by giving him the best resources available out there. So in my opinion, a person's success has many factors, and what I see in the black community is a lack of resources that other communities have. I very much would like to see more resources poured in our community. I hope this somewhat answers your question.

[@kaylad1669]

@@wfrencher80is your wife a black woman? It’s interesting that this comment section and this video is about black relationships, and you keep referring to your family’s success without mentioning the black part. I congratulate you on your success, but not sure what that has to do with black men and women relationships as it stands and how it applies to the convo at hand. Are your brothers married to/dating black women? I think that would be a better add to the conversation.

[@AminaPhilosophy]

Is your mother blk or mixed race?

[@daniellenelson1772]

Themis can we get a t-shirt that says “where’s the Father’s” please

[@ThemisThoth]

I will note this for the summer

[@khem127]

Yup, good idea just don't use the apostrophe in the word "fathers".

[@arisnyeusi9435]

I will literally buy multiple shirts.

[@brandonburns5365]

Where was his father 😅

[@its_just_me8476]

From this live, Umar can tell that Themis is intellectually superior to most. He's not about to accept the invite. He knows Themis questioning is going to dismantle and demolish his babbling.

[@coursecorrection4105]

We live in a global economy. You don’t have to stay in the u.s. go to school, study and live abroad. Become an entrepreneur. Join a trade. There are barriers and difficulties but also opportunities.

[@Nitra813]

💯

[@Nitra813]

Especially with the fact that most black men aren’t present in their homes, what’s the excuse?what’s really hindering them?

[@brandonburns5365]

​@@Nitra813passports. Duh 😅

[@Treatyse]

Even for boy mom's- where are the fathers at?

[@ThemisThoth]

This part!!!

[@tkoart7562]

Even though I don’t agree with Umar, at least he’s articulate enough to be a worthy opponent. I would love for you to interview him because you would definitely ask the right probing questions.

[@ElementalWitchn]

I approve this message ☺️

[@ThemisThoth]

Would love to interview him

[@Sin7Cyn]

Umar only goes to interviews that he can manipulate his appearance into funneling future misappropriated cash donations

[@filmadcamp1512]

He's not that worthy an opponent.

[@janine3330]

​​@filmadcamp1512 I agree with you. Umar constantly contradicts himself. He has to because he is nothing more than an educated pookie himself and as a pookie he will twist himself into a pretzel to provide valid excuses for the failures of Black men .💯

[@TaishaAli]

I have a 16 yr old son who packed his ish a left recently because I’m not the type of mom to coddle I hold him accountable and expect respect it was literally like living with a man exhausting

[@ThemisThoth]

😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 periodt

[@monicac1147]

Good job mama.

[@UCanHaveHim]

I sent mine packing at 17. He's 29 now. Bless his heart.

[@filmadcamp1512]

He left and went where? 🤨

[@Heat_Rush]

​@@filmadcamp1512 That's not her problem or concern. He's legally allowed to leave and go stay wherever. A friend's house, a shelter, girlfriends house.

[@ElegantPaws01]

The final segment on "boy mums" and the coddling should be a short. Facts. You are preventing them from self actualizing.

[@ImAllisonWonderland]

17:35 🎯🎯🎯 Strip it all down and Umar is resorting to the same old pimping tropes. Nothing new whatsoever.

[@blackveda]

What a way to end the show, I love it.❤

[@GardensFlowers-f7k]

Themis, you have to say allegedly when referring to Umar's degrees!... He's such a scammer & a liar.

[@ThemisThoth]

Noooooo😭😭😭😭

[@shuntayshuntay04]

So true 🤭

[@chicayess]

@@ellenburke3698Degree is confirmed. He's a Doctor of scamming

[@TititoDeBologay]

​@@ellenburke3698 It seems that He was enrilled to finish his PHD, but there's no trace of him finishing or defending a thesis or such.

[@H_Millz]

Great analysis as always, Themis. Let’s keep asking where the fathers are because it’s the biggest elephant in the room (or not in the room, actually!) that the men like to gloss and skip over in any and every conversation about the bLaCk CoMmuNiTy. How can they harp on about what the single mothers are doing right or wrong without addressing why the mother is so often the sole caretaker of these kids in the first place? Why is there no father around to course correct or even notice if the mother is leading the children astray?

[@Chambermenz]

Agreed. Abandonment by fathers causes psychological trauma for girls and especially boys. It's tough though because many of these guys could cause even more if they were in the home. I wish more bm were responsible enough to use condoms.

[@BeingUndone]

Fathers even teach us not to instill confidence in boys and men… The FATHERS THAT ARE PRESENT, RAISING GIRLS teach us, expressly, not to outsource our welfare to boys and men that look just like them.

[@636racer]

20:19 he not building any school 😂

[@EdenAdele]

Team get-the-cards! 🙋🏾‍♀️🙋🏾‍♀️🙋🏾‍♀️

[@ThemisThoth]

😭😭😭

[@indicajane4721]

This makes me wanna scream WE HAVE HBCUs!!! Literal black colleges for black people especially made for black men!! But you were locked out of access and then men and women created access and you act like someone still stopped you! ugh this angers me so much.

[@ggoodvibes23]

They will always be the world's biggest group of perpetual victims...🙄

[@miss_chelles1338]

I cannot WAIT for this!

[@BeingUndone]

Great Commentary! Thank you

[@H_Millz]

The other thing I wanted to comment on is the whole passing down surname/taking a man’s last name for “legacy”. Firstly, if we’re biologically related and your community knows who your child is, isn’t that a legacy in and of itself? Secondly, the idea of one family name is not the norm in every culture and they manage just fine with knowing who their descendants and forebears are. In my culture, for example, which is still patriarchal btw, women don’t take their husband’s surname. In fact, there is no such thing as a family name or surname as in the western sense. Everyone has a given name and to identify yourself further, you state your father’s given name and that’s it. So the husband, wife and children will all have different ‘surnames’ and no one struggles with knowing who is married to whom or to whom the children belong. Just food for thought for people who feel their legacy can’t be passed down through daughters.

[@earlinebeaman684]

I would that we would stop using slavery in comparison to anything. The family had no choice but to be together in slavery and they were sold off when the owner wanted to sell them. So, keep slavery out of the conversation.

[@UCanHaveHim]

No respect given to Umar. None. Great delivery but no substance.

[@Chambermenz]

Say that 3x so it will sink in for the people in the back

[@lucyl0101]

Honestly, I wonder if Umar is really a doctor and have a phd in Phycology. I don't really listen to him but the few times I have, he sounds like he needs psychological help. He talks too much and say so much that sometimes he contradicts himself and everyone just lets it slide. Umar once said that girls/women who become lesbian have daddy issue. I wonder where he got that from.

[@virgo_hershey_kisses2990]

1:00:54 Dusty Diatribe 😂😂😂😂😂

[@thecrimsoncure8201]

The whole diatribe was dusty. Idk...how you just picked apart 100.54. 😂😂😂

[@Neeks6.6]

Welp, now we know what Umar's next grift will be.

[@AuntieThree]

I would love to see you interview dr umar.

[@ThemisThoth]

I would love to!!!

[@changetocome100]

The best part of this program was when he says he would have had more in his life if he had a wife.

[@holliesaraswat6241]

My daughter is dating the son of a self-proclaimed "boy mom" and 🚩🚩🚩

[@SoGoldenGlow]

Ugh. The way I can’t stand to hear Umar speak… I truly don’t know how Themis can sit through this. I had to clock out.

[@ruqaiyahhunter4503]

If they were in a "pleasure contract". Diddy should of presented the document to avoid settling. That was super disgusting of those men to say and agree with. 56:00

[@ChakaKhanian]

I noticed that he used talking points that women have been repeating for years about healing from relationships before getting involved in the next one. I can foresee men using this as game against women to manipulate them into thinking ‘he understands’ while he doesn’t even believe what he states.

[@jessicahiggins2047]

Enjoyed this

[@AC-ss5oy]

Even back in the 70s and 80s black men didn’t have to go to college. They could go to vo-tech schools to learn trades. It wasn’t free but it was lower cost than college and it was affordable.

[@EdenAdele]

I got my coffee, water, AND tea for this one!!! ☕️🚰🫖

[@loveself6396]

😅

[@Yna-u3g]

Themis, Dr. Umar will come on here, just text him!! He's a pretty down-to-Earth guy with personal communication !

[@monicac1147]

Where is his school located? Would you send your son?

[@Sin7Cyn]

Delaware . You should check it out . Lenin Honor has a )50/50 comedy investigative show if you’d like to take the FDMG school tour

[@YouAreDreamingRightNow]

he can't even have unsupervised contact with his own children so he definitely wouldn't be able to open a school. that's never gonna happen.

[@monicac1147]

@YouAreDreamingRightNow Dang, forreal. And this the man they look up too.

[@YouAreDreamingRightNow]

that's because there are these huge platforms like breakfast club that keep giving him legitimacy. they are in on the hoax too.@@monicac1147

[@Treatyse]

A thought occurred to me the other day about women taking on the man's name during marriage and subsequently any children. It's actually another man cannibalising another man's name. She gets her last name from her father, so taking her husbands name is getting rid of her fathers name. Every married generation getting rid of their fathers name. Another man getting rid of another man's legacy. NOT me, my son has my last name.

[@tonyt1680]

That's because lineage is meant to be matrilineal

[@Treatyse]

@@tonyt1680 matrilineal or patrilineal?

[@brandonburns5365]

​@@Treatyseso you killed your son's father legacy 😅. Do you people think before you write

[@Treatyse]

@@brandonburns5365 what about my legacy? We are not married, so i have no obligation to consider his fathers last name. Even if we were i never would change my name either. You still dont get it, its my father's name that I am preserving. If I had a daughter and she were to get married, she might decided to get rid of her last name, so where would the fathers legacy be then. Besides legacy is more than a name, its what you do that's more important. You just look at it so superficially. I really like my last name, it has its own history. My sons father has brothers, so they can carry on their last name and they have sons too, so legacy covered if you are only looking at a name. There us no rule or law that says I have to give my son his father's last name. I wish more unmarried women would follow what I have done.

[@brandonburns5365]

@@Treatyse no, it sounds like you don't get it. Using your same logic, your father's last name is going to die if your son have a child by a woman who thinks like you anyway 😂. And name is a big part of legacy, it's literally the only thing close to guaranteed to be past on. If that man is respectable everyone under him with that last name would benefit. And I never said it was no rule or law that a woman had to give the child the father's last name. But don't be surprised if more for the brothers that's carrying on his last name.

[@636racer]

7:13 i agree, plus umar is very problematic

[@heruheiress9066]

Hey everyone!!!!! Heyyyy Themis 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾

[@sapphire5755]

Hello Themis!

[@PenelopeSnowe]

Ewmar is among and amok

[@ericayoung4247]

Do most BM date I’m asking is that what they call it

[@Bella_Noire]

They try really hard to avoid actually dating. Texting forever, hook-ups, Netflix and chill, etc. They really try to avoid actual dating.

[@ayingi3461]

This will be interesting!

[@45LionMan]

Evenly yoke is the key, since bm and bw aren't yoked, stay apart. Bye

[@new_to_planet4424]

Simple and straight to the point!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@LovedByYou]

Dr Umar is hilarious

[@productioninquiries881]

I think "Boy Mom" is a cope by women who don't have daughters. Most women I see say this have 2-3 sons and no daughters.

[@ElementalWitchn]

I think so too. How depressing to have a bunch of boys 😢

[@productioninquiries881]

@@ElementalWitchn I have just seen friends, mostly white, adopt the term. I have not seen it used by women with both sons and daughters.

[@valeriew4833]

A lot of them have an attraction to their sons but will never admit it. Until they do, and ish gets VERY WEIRD. I've read their confessions

[@ElementalWitchn]

@@valeriew4833 wheeeet??! Are you for real? 😱

[@jbell7105]

@@valeriew4833tf are you talking about

[@audiomanmik]

He wont take an interview from you my friend, youre too educated, too informed.

[@theresasingh6585]

No, he was saying the plan was to make them irrelevant. So many people have poor listening skills when it comes to Dr. Umar. Just because they don't like him is not productive.

[@GreenGorgeousness]

We should all be independent of each other and come together because we want to, not need to. If you need codependency for love you need help.

[@brandonburns5365]

Boy mom is no different than saying girl dad. Is that a problem too?

[@A1SoniaM]

09:37 What was this about? 🤔

[@goodnessratedbeau8147]

What do you surmise it to be Themis

[@harmoneysmind]

Listen, I don’t agree with everything Dr Umar was saying, but he definitely was making some great points about the men. Also, I do not think that he was blaming the mother for the way that the man acts I believe that he’s just stating a fact.

[@thecrimsoncure8201]

This was dusty diatribe and only a dusty woman would agree with it. 😒 You must've donated to his school.

[@shantelwhite8781]

Hi Themis🫶🏾🫶🏾

[@AminaPhilosophy]

1:13:00 😂😂😂😂😂

[@missfranniepants]

@46:02 Men know exactly what we want as women. We've become accustomed to them manipulating and gaslighting us when we actually do ask them for what we want (because like he said they don't want the responsibility of actually being with a woman - and they're trifling af), so we don't ask anymore. Its either do do right your you get gone.