Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2, GPU Benchmark (43 GPUs) 522 Data Points!

[@mcRast]

CPU benchmark would be interesting with this game.

[@whitemoses7913]

Yes, please. 🙏🏼

[@Alexandra-Rex]

I got a 5600X and a 6900 XT. It would be very interesting to see a CPU benchmark.

[@quintrapnell3605]

The cpu bottleneck is affecting FSR

[@Rashamaka]

Poor Steve

[@sonnieslim5973]

Just look at the 1080p results lol

[@RFC3514]

"with just 4GB of memory, all the enemies are gone" - Congratulations, soldier, you've achieved a glorious victory and earned the Kobayashi Maru medal.

[@waltrautengels816]

It's called the '4GB-Exterminatus'.

[@LaserVelociraptor]

Brother steveius finally gets to let his legs rest

[@lukemclaughlin2184]

Omnissiah be Praised!!!

[@RuaninhoBR]

😂

[@wrfsh]

Only in death does duty end

[@Aggrofool]

AMD marketing taking a break

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🙏

[@autoglobus]

"What is your life?" "Benchmarking is my life." "What is your fate?" "The youtube algorithm is my fate." "What is your fear?" "My fear is hardware stagnation." "What is your reward?" "Consistent data is my reward." "What is your craft?" "Blue bars are my craft." "What is your pledge?" "My pledge is eternal testing."

[@syncmonism]

Praise the Hubmessiah!

[@KneppaH]

Real life Portal. Endless testing but without the portals. And only one test chamber.

[@korosaki13]

This is so epic.

[@andersjjensen]

*reward

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@syncmonism Lisan HUB Gaib

[@Robspassion]

CPU benchmarks would be really interesting.

[@13bmitchell]

"Upscaling is a fancy way to lower the resolution". Back to you, Steve.

[@aaz1992]

Thanks, Steve

[@guille92h]

Yep, that's why i play at 1080p native res all high.

[@dkindig]

Yes and no, I think. My attitude toward upscaling has changed a little bit since I moved to 4k. At 1440p I wasn't so satisfied with it, results tended to be soft, at 4k Quality I'm actually pretty impressed and it gets me back to 1440 frame rates. I still avoid frame gen like the plague though.

[@PhotoJohn80]

This game eats the 7800x3d for dinner. Wow…. Really like to see a cpu test to see how older cpus fair.

[@lilpain1997]

yeah the CPU gets hammered hard in this game. I do expect to see some fixes though as performance while stable ( no stutters on my end on a 5800x3D ) seems low in areas. I was above 60 at all times but its crazy seeing drops in areas that dont really make sense.

[@justfun5479]

Same

[@AssassinKID]

There is a CPU test by Terra Ware using 3700x, 5900x and 7800x3D for this game. Very interesting result showing why consoles can't keep flat 60FPS.

[@xyfghter99]

Single core limited...

[@anitaremenarova6662]

Is there multithreading in this game? If not that would make CPUs with better single thread performance better for this title compared to X3D chips.

[@jimdshea]

Well if it's CPU limited... We're gonna need some CPU TESTS!!

[@AlexandruJalea]

After 24H2 please.... Give the man a chance to sleep.

[@KrazzeeKane]

​@AlexandruJalea the 24H2 performance increase for AMD cpus is already in the released version of win 11 23H2 now, they added it in via an update a week or two ago. No need to wait for 24h2 to see the uplifts, it's here already lol

[@FrostyBud777]

AMD FSR 3.1 WITH FRAME GENERATION IS COMING TO THE GAME PER AMD FSR GAME LIST. That will crush all bottlenecks by the CPU. It should even beat the 4090!!! if they do the correct frame gen performance! AMD just released new Driver for this game as well. These tests will change a lot with New drivers and FSR 3.1 update

[@mojojojo6292]

@@KrazzeeKane They don't perform the same. 24h2 performs better than the 23h2 update.

[@Spartan536]

@@FrostyBud777 I have a mod for Cyberpunk 2077 that uses FSR 3.1 and Frame Generation, it took me from 97 FPS to 270 FPS on Quality Upscaling at 1440P!

[@James-dc6ft]

Im calling it this one is your best thumbnail face edit to date. You look like Titus dude.

[@thechroniclesofcriss942]

Brother Stevius

[@592Johno]

HOLY SHIT. I didn't even notice his face.😭

[@InfiniteDarkMass]

Nah, I was definitely more impressed by Outlaw Steve. Probably because of how much of an improvement it was over the original...

[@insideline158]

6800XT owner here. Why does the GPU seem to be underperforming for this title? On many games it's on par with the 7800XT and 3080.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Might just be the Beta driver.

[@Psi-Storm]

All of the rdna2 cards seem to underperform. How can a 3060ti keep up with a 6800XT and a 3060 with a 6700XT in 1080p high, and even beat the matchups in 1440p ultra with fsr?

[@devongreen7308]

That's what I'm saying. I've got an RX6800, and it's getting beat by a 3060ti??

[@insideline158]

@@Hardwareunboxed That's probably it. I'm playing the game now on the latest not-beta driver. I haven't benchmarked it in the same area as Steve. But I can report that, with a 5700x3D, I have been almost always CPU bottlenecked for the game so far (past half way through the campaign) even with my 6800XT undervolted and overclock quite a lot. It usually hovers around 100+FPS.

[@ziokalco]

​@@devongreen7308 I general RDNA 2 seems to be getting hammered by this game beyond fortnite levels of Nvidia preference. I would expect 6800 to be right besides the 7700xt in normal circumstances

[@yurithebrave]

I can confirm that the framerates are heavily scene-dependent. I have a 7800 X3D and 7800 XT. First two missions indeed were 70-80 fps at 1440p Ultra, but the next two are up to 120 fps even in outdoor areas.

[@skK-xk3yc]

do you get a 'precreating shaders ' screen at every game start ? Its cooking my cpu how to disable it ?

[@barlevi5683]

steve being the chad of thumbnails

[@DavidWB147]

Intel Arc performance variation is absolutely wild. One minute it can get up there, not far off a 4060 Ti, and next it's abysmal.

[@bradhaines3142]

the power of drivers

[@sgredsch]

arc alchemist loves high pixel load and absolutely hates choking on a certain shaders that suffocates the pipeline. it behaves alot like fury back in the day. to get the most out of alchemist you want to load it with resolution as much as you can while minimizing shaders or effects the gpu cant handle properly. alchemist scales alot better into higher resolutions than other architectures, meaning the gpu core has a ton of cores with a lot of grunt for it, but it gets into trouble when it cannot load all the cores. its also very strong with raytracing. thats also what you see when alchemist idles around at 70% load in a gpu limit.

[@ItsDeeno69]

Whrere?

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😞

[@IntelArcTesting]

Most new games perform worse compared to competition. I haven’t seen it close to a 4060 ti personally but I’m sure if you vram limit the nvidia card the A770 will probably out perform it.

[@joreberking]

Looking forward to the Space Marine 2 CPU video, thx Steve

[@mraltoid19]

16:40 - Thanks for showing how the Series-S looks.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

The simgle digit differences between the 4070, 4070Ti and 4070 Super 😂

[@iLikeRNG]

you get what you pay for

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

@@iLikeRNG The 4060 Ti is 200€ more where i live. What a ripoff. The 4070 super is the same as the 4070 was. The 4070 is nearly the same price as the 4060Ti now. Nvidia is a clown world.

[@RebelGenerelYann]

I'm very glad to see 3070 beat 4060Ti in 4K, high VRAM bus width is the way(but Jenson Huang have renonce it)

[@EarthStarz]

The 3070 is still good enough for most games

[@ultemate]

So they just released a 90GB 4K texture pack for free, addressing one of your comments about the texture quality.

[@andljoy]

Low res textures are a pet hate of mine. Just offer the high res as a download or something, you have them as you have to downscale them for the game so give us the option. I think some of the mass effect games did that.

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

Sometimes it's pretty much no benefit though, like Bethesda's packs. Look the same but run 3x worse

[@fnvfanMSPR]

@@ICCUWANSIUT And there are texture packs out there that look better and run better.

[@Argoon1981]

High res textures (beyond a certain level...) IMO are overhyped. To me after 2k, unless you game on a huge (real size) 4k or 8k screen, is just a waste of resources, there's a small diference between 2k and 4k textures at the look level but a huge diference at the performance and stability level. Most gamers just don't know how to optimize texture usage, is not only GPU amount of memory that matters, is also the bandwidth "the pipe" size that the GPU has to speak with the CPU and when you use extremely big textures, you not only use more GPU RAM (not something good every time), you also fall into the risk of bottlenecking the RAM transmission pipe, slowing things way down. Unfortunately the most wasteful mods made for many games, are high res textures mods, a few are well done and I applaud those, but they are the minority, the reality is that the majority just don't know where or how to spend texture budget. Many just push 4k some even 8k (AI upscaled) textures everywhere, even on tiny models that would look exactly the same with 1k textures and just end destroying performance or crashing the games for many trying their mod. I say this because I have experience on it, for example, many people complained that Stalker and Skyrim, were buggy games that constantly crashed, when you helped analyze the people complaining (something I did for many), majority of the users were using a bunch of mods causing conflicts, including texture packs, pushing textures res beyond what the engines of both games, were originally meant to run at, some even what their GPU's realistically could handle, so they crashed. The entire reason the app Large Address Aware was created, was because of texture packs, them pushing 32bit games beyond their original design (and safe limits) causing them to crash. Is ironic that gamers/users complain constantly about games lack of optimization but the first ones doing a bad job at it, are plenty of users doing high res texture packs. Btw even thou I sound like it, I'm not against texture packs, I'm just against badly done packs, done with no care or knowhow, where people just put 4k or more textures everywhere, without thinking twice if that does a real visual diference or not. Plus I hate those AI upscaled texture packs that many times just destroy the original game art direction, instead of improving on it.

[@Argoon1981]

@@ICCUWANSIUT Exactly, couldn't agree more.

[@tj3495]

If you have the extra Vram, may as well fill it up with higher res textures, use all the gpu you paid for.

[@G11-o7s]

Wtf is wrong with the AMD gpus performance in this game? A RX 6800 XT losing to a RTX4060TI without RT and a RX 6700 XT losing to a RTX 2060 Super ? The game is sponsored by amd and they focused all the optimization on NVidia cards, lol.

[@eric131313]

Look at 4k performance

[@Kalantinus94]

In the name of the Omnissiah, let it be known that this video, a beacon of knowledge amidst the endless void of ignorance, stands as a testament to the triumph of intellect over the abyss of confusion! The cogitators hum in approval, and the Machine Spirits sing your praises, for you have crafted an artifact of wisdom, pure and undiluted. Through each frame, the light of understanding pierces the veil of darkness, casting the weak-willed aside, while only the strong of mind ascend. By the Emperor’s will, this video is a weapon against the heresy of misinformation, and you, its creator, are the Tech-Priest of its enlightenment. Let the masses kneel before the sacred data presented, and may your works live on in the archives of the Imperium, eternal and unyielding! Glory be to the Adept Stevus von Hardwarus Unboxus who has bestowed upon us this great gift! Emperor protects.

[@ShadowMKII]

That was fantastic, lol. Thanks for a hilarious read. :) Emperor protects! o7

[@budthecyborg4575]

I unironically believe we should begin the founding of the Adeptus Mechanicus as a global institution. First rule should be that it's illegal to produce any software with a permanent framerate cap. Unlimited framerates must become a basic human right.

[@cecatto]

how is this not the pinned comment? Heresy!

[@Pat315]

Yawm

[@1Grainer1]

i knew it! Steve is no mere human, he was a space marine all along!

[@krzysztofszczepanski8597]

I wonder when Steave realized "Hey we named the charts Space Marine not Space Marine 2... We should redo all of this... Ok maybe they won't notice"

[@KrazzeeKane]

It made me do a double take and confirm he wasn't testing the wrong game lol, it had me thinking these were results from the first game to compare against the 2nd or something

[@darthkillhoon]

I just played it with my RTX 3060 and my 7800x3D (I know miss matched components, but I'm waiting to get a RX7800xt or RX7900xt). It seems to work fine with 1080p Ultra, being very smooth in the gameplay

[@winj3r]

The CPU benchmarks for this game are going to be wild.

[@johnnypopstar]

> The CPU benchmarks for this game are going to be bar charts FTFY

[@syncmonism]

Spoiler: Ryzen 3000 CPUs (Zen 2) are still working reasonably well. I've only seen test results for the 3700X (from Zen 2 lineup) so far though, so maybe this will be one of the rare games where the 3700X is finally pulling significantly ahead of the 3600. The 5600 still outperforms the 3700X though. If it works reasonably well on Zen 2, there's a good chance that it will work well on a lot of older Intel CPUs as well, but we shall see soon enough.

[@mikeramos91]

For sure, this game should have big differences with wide range of CPUs

[@Stardomplay]

​@@syncmonism The 5600 performs almost identically to the 3700X in this title. Other people have reported it as well. Even my zen 3 5800H performs similarly to the 3700X. Only 5900X and 3d Zen 3 chips scale beyond the 5600.

[@ZeroZingo]

Your newfound love for game benchmarking is some seriously good stuff, Steve. Keep 'em coming!!

[@Z-Crebs]

6800 XT user here. I’m surprised by these results. I remember reviews for the 7000 GPUs showed very little improvement, now they are up by a lot. And it’s also weird to see the 6800xt at 1080p it is performing behind the 4060 ti and 3070. Of course once the resolution goes up to 1440p and 4K the 16gb of vram shows off a bit more. I am still overall surprised how it’s performing compared to where I thought it would be.

[@Stephen__White]

Almost certain it has to be a driver issue with the beta drivers they are using. Even HU speculated on that in another comment. Kind of hope they revisit this GPU benchmark with non-beta drivers for AMD, because as it stands this feels very wrong. Based on the performance of the 6800XT it should be right up there with the 4070, and should pull ahead when the 12gb of vram on the 4070 fills up.

[@syncmonism]

It might not be a vram thing, though I assume that having more than 8GB is definitely making a difference at 4k, and maybe at 1440p too.

[@Z-Crebs]

@@Stephen__White you bring up a good point, might be nice to see a revisit on on how the Rtx 30 and Radeon 6000 series gpus compare to the 40 and 7000 gpus. Maybe the drivers have had time to mature and they are even better compared to their last gen counterparts and when they first released.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

​@@Stephen__White This is a AMD sponsored title when i played the game the AMD logo pops up. They prioritize 7000 series. first than the 6000 series. Rx 6000 owners should be looking to upgrade in 8000 series because AMD is slowly losing support on older cards.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@Stephen__White or AMD intentionally not optimizing the game for older card like RDNA2 to encourage people into buying RX 7000 series over used RX6000 series on the market. just look AMD gaming revenue for the last 2 quarter.

[@Healcraft]

6750xt + 5800x3d I get drops into 30s at times. That is online coop campaign / operations. 1440p ultra with FSR quality

[@Argoon1981]

A modern game not made on UE5, without upscaling and raytracing that still looks fantastic, awesome deserves a buy from me just for that.

[@DudeSWEEET]

It has upscaling. Frame generation is supposedly coming later.

[@MsFearco]

​@@DudeSWEEETthat would be nice

[@DrakeTech-kh8hs]

The most beautiful games don't use RT tbh

[@Mewzyc]

@@DrakeTech-kh8hs example?

[@hodgeman]

It defaults to having upscaling enabled.

[@DanSanzeri]

Thanks for doing this, you've convinced me to buy the game. 3080 (10GB) 1440p let's go!

[@giansideros]

10:37 as an owner of a Radeon RX 7600 [8GB], I kinda feel buyer's remorse, I wish I saved up just a bit longer and bought something with at least 16GB of memory. For context, it was October last year and I was already suffering with a Radeon 6500 XT 4GB for about over a year at that point, which I also bought as a stop gap GPU due to breaking my then GPU by accident.

[@WIP03]

If AMD is going full budget to midrange cards next gen then maybe you could sell the 7600 and buy something with more vram and power for a bit more, depending of financial situation and the market in your region of course.

[@giansideros]

@@WIP03 yeah this is what I've decided, I was considering upgrading to a 7800 but it feels like I would be going through a similar situation with RDNA 4 around the corner. Besides by the time I get either a 8600/8700 (or possibly a 8800 if neither arrive by Autumn), I would hope the performance difference would be substantially noticeable from the 7600.

[@kreed11]

Awesome content, as always. One question, though, did the game seem blurry to you at all? On my setup, it's a blurry mess at 1080p native (looks like 480-720p) - if I enable DLSS, it's horrendous. The only solution I found to make it decent is to use DSR 4x and then DLSS on performance. Otherwise, it literally gives you headaches due to the blurriness.

[@SkrifftheDragon]

The textures are great if you run it at native

[@guille92h]

Ah, that makes sense, i was wondering what everyone was on about, i thought the game look awesome, i'm playing it on 1080p native.

[@Kurzei]

Thanks for doing this for the title. It's a really fun play. And definitely would like a CPU benchmark for it (I'm one of those crazy people with a 7900X3D). Also, any chance Tim is gonna take a stab at another optimization guide for this one? I'd love to see what tweaks I can make to make it run as smooth as possible. Cheers guys!

[@vermillion4971]

didnt expect 1080Ti perform so bad in modern titles, losing to 2060 Super in 1080p...

[@mapesdhs597]

Yeah that was surprising. When Turing launched, the 2080 Ti wasn't that much faster than the 1080 Ti, and often the 2080 was slower, yet in some of these charts the 2080 Ti is now almost 2x faster, which is pretty wild. Something about Turing is allowing the 2080 Ti to hang in there a lot better than the 1080 Ti, at least with this title anyway. Maybe it's a DLSS support difference, but then the differences at native res are still often larger than I would expect (eg. 50% at 1080p/High). Most intriguing. I'm certain one would not see a 2060 beat a 1080 Ti in older games, so something has changed. I'm still using a 1080 Ti, currently with a 5600X, though it's about to be swapped out for a 5700X3D. However, I don't tend to play especially newer games, so far the only game that made me desire a faster GPU was RDR2, but if I did upgrade I would want at least a 2x speedup, a decent VRAM bump, lower power consumption and a non-insane price, so atm nothing is viable, at least not bought new anyway. Most likely I'll have to wait until I can get a 4070 Ti Super on the used market for a decent price, especially since NVIDIA appears to have no interest in genuinely improving entry/midrange products, adopting as they have been narrower buses, limited PCIe links and measly VRAM increases. I've actually borrowed a 2080 Ti from a friend, but haven't had time to test it much yet. An irony of all this is that the 1080 Ti is faster than the 2080 Ti for NVEnc, for various reasons.

[@keldon1137]

​@@mapesdhs597 HU review for 2080 and 2080ti shows 2080ti 23% faster than 1080ti in 1440p and 30% ish in 4k. 2080% was 1% faster.

[@vermillion4971]

@@mapesdhs597 I have 5600x and 1080Ti system too, dont see any reason to upgrade to anything that is not at least 2x times faster, thought about 4070Ti or used 3090. Leaning towards 3090 bcs of VRAM i need for my work as 3D Artist. I honestly very dissapointed how Pascal GPU`s are downgraded by modern games, i remember times when my 1080Ti was toe to toe with 2080\2080Super, and now im getting embarassed by a fucking 2060 super dude. Pascals are dead...

[@mapesdhs597]

@@vermillion4971 Indeed. People do seem to have forgotten how little Turing moved things on at launch. Now somehow, with modern numbers showing large differences, the narrative is that it was always like that, but it wasn't. GN's Wukong benchmark roundup shows what I recall being more the norm. But whether it's newer tech from Turing onwards benefiting from later optimisations and focus, or something that is degrading how Pascal behaves (or both), that's hard to say. Certainly though driver updates can ruin legacy GPUs, eg. at one point NVIDIA broke SLI support in older games (from an era when nobody cared about 1% lows, I loved my old 8800 GT SLI for Stalker, etc.) Your pro task needs do skew things a little. Hmm, why not hunt for a used RTX 8000 48GB or something? Studios bought a lot of them way back as it was the only way to support 8K editing in Flame, etc. Depends on the task though, these days ever more pro apps lack the kind of optimisations that used to be available for pro cards. I did a lot of Viewperf and other testing way back. Btw, my mbd is an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max II, runs very well.

[@Koozwad]

they likely nerfed it in drivers or something to force upgrades... nvidia knows they made it too fast and overall solid for its time

[@DS-pk4eh]

I love your last benchmark videos, but really miss having their version published on TechSpot too, as it is easier ti go through data. Do you plan to publish this somewhere?

[@sherazade82]

Would be very interesting to see how the CPU scaling is for this CPU heavy game. That horde stuff looks really demanding.

[@Razor2048]

I wish game developers would add a toggle in the settings when it comes to the use of shared memory. For example, they can allow a game to use system memory as additional texture memory rather than breaking textures to where they do not load in properly. Often depending on the PCIe but throughput, you can use varying amounts of shared memory before you get a major performance drop and hitching issues. For example, PCIe 4.0 X16 can often handle 1GB-1.5GB of shared memory use and only experience around a 15-20% performance hit but frame times will remain smooth and consistent. With PCIe 3.0 X16 or PCIe 4.0 X8 you can often do around 500MB of shared memory before major performance issues creep in. And cards with further restricted interfaces, will not really handle any shared memory use without hitching. While it is never an ideal situation, it would be good to at least offer the option for the user to experiment with the option.

[@stefanh7405]

This is EXACTLY the video I've been waiting for. Thank you for never letting us down :) Next thing we need is the "Optimization" one ;)

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

Steve didn't actually mean to make that scene a benchmark, he just died this many times there

[@zohairahmad2652]

15:13 "ignore the frame rate, it's still a 6500xt" 😭😭

[@AvroBellow]

With the R7-7800X3D only able to push 110FPS, I think that a CPU benchmark video might be in order. Honestly though, I'd be shocked if Steve didn't get to that immediately after posting this video.

[@Radek494]

VRAM stagnation will continue even if low end ditches 8 GB VRAM. Since Series S has only 10 GB of memory compared to 16 GB on PS5 and XSX, the games will be designed around it.

[@brandonwirtz2308]

2 sentences to explain why an entire 8+ yr gaming generation is just complete and utter trash.

[@Brent_P]

The Xbox Series S should have never existed.

[@j22563]

@@Brent_P it was a crime against humanity

[@valentinvas6454]

I bet the series S is also the reason behind some games like BG3 and Wukong getting delayed on Xbox. Microsoft is doing awfully during this generation. Just from a technical viewpoint, Sony is running circles around them. Xbox had games like Redfall, Starfield and Hellblade 2 launch with 30 FPS modes only and Avowed will join the list. Hellblade at least looks good but Starfield and Redfall are horribly outdated.

[@soranamae]

This is why I felt safe in buying a 4070 Ti last year. Everyone kept saying 12 GBs were going to be obsolete soon and Im like... No. The vram requirements will remain the exact same until the next console gen (next 3-4 years), by which time I will have upgraded to something better. Its a complete nonissue that people wanted to make a huge deal out of, similar to 6 vs 8 cores with cpus a while ago.

[@please-wake-up-now]

Dude, totally agree! A CPU test would be super cool, especially to see how these chips hold up. Can't wait to see more benchmarks! And man, those upscaling settings are kinda wild too. Makes me wonder how far we can really push this tech! 💻🎮

[@Colehh]

RTX 3060 Ti faster than a RX 6950 XT at 1080p is baffling me - especially the 6950 XT being slower than the 3080 10GB at 1440p raw rasterisation.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Thats the AMD way. Wonky performance.

[@silvio351]

Still no official drivers though.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

​@@silvio351 This is an AMD sponsored title

[@andersjjensen]

Just the usual "beta release shenanigans". Wait 3-6 weeks for everyone to get their act together. It's rather funny, actually. It's an AMD sponsored title, but AMD doesn't have a stable driver out (Steve used the beta driver) (and neither does Intel). With a few patches to the game, and AMD and Intel getting their arses into gear, I'm fairly certain this game will scale as we expect. It's not an "Nvidia screwed title" that casts an absurd amount of rays for minimal visual gain. This is classic raster rendering, so there's nothing but bugs that can explain this odd behavior.

[@agent4seven856]

Thanks for all the data, Steve! Looking forward to CPU scaling data if you'll have time for testing various CPUs. I've 8700K so it'll be very interesting to see how it compares to something like 5700X at 4K paired with 3080Ti.

[@mapesdhs597]

If aiming for a GPU that high with AM4, one would be better off getting the 5700X3D instead.

[@agent4seven856]

​@@mapesdhs597 I don't think it's comparable to 8700K game performance-wise cuz of the 3D cache and such, hence 5700X.

[@mapesdhs597]

@@agent4seven856 My point is that if you're going to be using a GPU at that level, it makes no sense to spend money on an upgrade that may leave GPU potential on the table becuase the lack of VCache means the standard 5700X can't take advantage of it in some cases (depends on the game, settings, etc.) You won't be quite so affected by this if running at 4K, but it can still apply. If you care about CPU issues then testing at 4K makes no sense, as Sterve has explained many, many times.

[@agent4seven856]

@@mapesdhs597 I know all this but that wasn't my point. It's not a good time for me to upgrade yet and 5700X3D for sure won't be the CPU I'll buy when the time is right. For what I need, 8700K is still a beast and I don't mind playing games at 30FPS + I mainly use a controller to play games, not M+KB. And yeah, I game at 4K for the most part and no, it makes sense cuz some games scale even at 4K, it just depends on how CPU limited they are and SM2 is CPU limited in some scenarios.

[@christophermullins7163]

3 resolutions X 3 quality presets X 43gpus. Almost 500 runs.. excludes upscaling. Reboot game between every run. Respect!

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

This channel is a treasure.

[@kevinporta4738]

Finally a game that you can play with everything maxed at native 1080p 60+ fps without upscaling or frame generation on a 60 tier card... I thought this day would never come.

[@FearlessFatman]

Steves sitting everyone relax

[@vndragonslayer1]

i like how he's trying so hard to shill for amd.. "fsr" bug hampering performance

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@vndragonslayer1 Mate, he's not shilling - stop being cringe.

[@vndragonslayer1]

@@Patrick-y4d1z yea calling fsr performance shit as a bug for an amd sponsored gayme. ROFL..

[@adrieanhopkins9795]

​@@vndragonslayer1lately he's dissing AMD for their products. He's hardly a shill for them.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@vndragonslayer1 Ah, so because a game received financing from AMD, therefore HU must be getting sponsored by AMD. Big brain logic right there.

[@NJPortugal]

Gotta love the thumbnails on these games benchmarks. Keep up the good work

[@Gabu_Dono]

I think Steve can rest on his laurels and get some well deserved sleep on this one.

[@Gofr5]

Haven't played the game yet, but it's on my list to try out sometime very soon. I'm only running a Ryzen 5 7600 CPU, but I'm playing at 4k with a 7900XTX, so I'm not too bothered about how my CPU will fare. Still curious to see a CPU benchmark though if that's something we're considering. Thanks for the great work Steve.

[@Tony-lg9td]

I vote to remove the term “upscaling” to “fancy lower resolution”. ✋

[@anitaremenarova6662]

It's not lower resolution though, you're sacrificing some fidelity but on 1440p and higher it's barely noticeable compared to just dropping it outright. Depends on the implementation too.

[@Stephen__White]

@@anitaremenarova6662 You are still stretching the lower resolution to fit onto your higher resolution screen. Something as long as it's the same aspect ratio just lowing the resolution also does. So at least when describing what it does, it sure sounds like a fancy way to lower the resolution to me.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@Stephen__White You forget it's upscaling the image using AI so it's not the same whatsoever lol, while the AI isn't perfect it's still miles better than lower resolution.

[@Stephen__White]

@@anitaremenarova6662 You seem to not understand what the word "fancy" means. Yes it's not the exact same thing, but it's DOING the same thing in a more complicated or "fancy" way. In a general sense all upscaling is, is a fancy way to lower the resolution. That's the joke and why it's also a fitting thing to call it.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@Stephen__White You're a lost cause, have fun playing with native potato graphics while the rest of us enjoy PT and UE5 goodness.

[@s3goku4]

@hardwareunboxed The minimum Requirement is 6GB of VRAM.

[@WahookaTheGoblinKing]

I can agree with the texture quality being rather disappointing, but to my eyes the first thing that hits is how basic the game lighting is. The masses of enemies almost look like they are glowing. Combined with the very aggressive reduction to model quality for enemy swarms, I am quite sure that it would look dated even with much better textures. But yes, I get it, it isn't about textures fixing dated look, but how higher quality of them and with more VRAM we can get some of the better look without any performance impact whatsoever.

[@Extreme96PL]

Yeah same I noticed kinda mediocre lighting right away not textures.

[@TheJohn_Highway]

Only Reshade can salvage the mediocre lighting. It's another case of a game being too washed out & not offering any decent sharpening filter to mask the dog awful TAA. Some dynamic contrast, lumasharpen, MXAO and lightroom corrections would do a lot to improve the visuals.

[@No-sr5fb]

Amazing breakdown homie

[@GENKI_INU]

Steve: "Warhammer Fourty Thousand" Warhammer Fans: "And I took that personally."

[@MoonRegolith]

Well, actually the first time the Emperor appears in the books he does say, "Horus, bring me forty thousand of your greatest Warhammers." And we all know how iconic that battle was to the setting, and how he'd only been asked to bring thirty thousand the time before.

[@tipturkey1283]

It’s ok, Emperor Henry Cavil calls it Forty Thousand; that makes it legal

[@yurithebrave]

How else would you call it?

[@pappy374]

@@yurithebrave 40K

[@yurithebrave]

​@@pappy374 Since when not using an abbreviation is any kind of error? Many people call it that. By its name.

[@chriskucharik]

This was an amazing amount of work. Thx much! Unfortunately my friends and family have quite the diversity of CPUs. I am now very curious if their old 4-core CPUs can cut it.

[@OptimousePrime]

Brother Steven you have overcome your follically challenged head and regrowth is as Divine as the Imperium 😂 But stellar work as normal, know these benchmarks are hard work but fully enjoy watching and the effort put into the channel by you guys 🙂

[@BioKek]

Thank you for this. Literally the best tech channel, at least for benchmarks. You deserve way more subs but gratz on the million!

[@tsahiv]

Because this is a cpu bound game, any upsacling tech that pushes the cpu further, i e FSR, will be a detrament to performance and lose to DLSS, which does not add to the cpu load, as it is tensor core - GPU hardware reliant. Also, AMD has an edge when not using upscaling, because of the lower overhead on CPU.

[@The_Noticer.]

Yep, good points. Steve doesn't even implement the knowledge he himself discovered, very strange. He should've recognized why FSR is worse than DLSS in a CPU-bound game.

[@arekb5951]

don't see the "AMD edge" without upscaling, in heavily CPU bound scenario (1080p native medium) top 11 GPUs are Nvidia. Wasn't this nvidia driver overhead thing only impactful in DX11 titles?

[@The_Noticer.]

@@arekb5951 1080p its completely CPU bottlenecked. Impossible to tell a difference. And no, Nvidia had the edge in DX11 with their software scheduling, DX12 AMD has atleast a 30% edge.

[@tsahiv]

@@arekb5951 As far as i know it effects DX12 too. i found 2023 HUB video about it, checking 4090 and 7900xtx especially when using amd cpus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmrKpnipd9GsZqs on titles like hogwarts legacy. I'd say the edge is there not big but it is there. (around 5-12%)

[@DimkaTsv]

​​@@The_Noticer.How up to date you are? It's not that Nvidia doesn't still have edge over AMD DX11, but difference nowadays definitely not as large as it was several years ago, after AMD rewritten stack. Moreover why would FSR be less efficient in CPU bound games, again? It is also GPU based upscaler, it doesn't use CPU to do it's job. Only difference is that it uses general compute instead of tensors and proprietary algorithm.

[@dingleberries360]

Did you use the fsr pipeline when testing native AMD? i found that it looked and performed better (about 10fps more) than native TAA. My 7900xt sees the same averages as a 4080s or 4090 at 1440 native ultra believe it or not. Im also using a 7800x3d undervolted 1.15v expo enabled and negative curve 20 optimized with PBO.

[@JayzBeerz]

Good game.

[@eastpetersen]

Appreciate the video. This comparison highlighted an a topic I have been thinking about, 6800xt vs 7800xt, while out of the box the difference was a negligible 3%, but in this comparison it was 10%. I'm curious if this is just this engine or if drivers have widened the gap between the two super similar cards.

[@ruxandy]

Steve: "FSR is broken, DLSS was working superbly, though!" Me: "Heh, that's why I bought an nVIDIA card, peasants!" Also me: *spent 1000 euros on a 4070Ti and only managed to play ~ 5 games in the past 1.5 years...*

[@user-eq2fp6jw4g]

Paying 1000 euros for 500 euro card. Not bad. Keep up bro. Maybe 5000-series will cost 1500 instead of 1000

[@ruxandy]

@@user-eq2fp6jw4g, I mean, it is expensive (more than it should be), but it's not a 500 euro card (at least not for 1440p gaming, which is what I'm using it for). In fact, for a year it was almost always in the TOP 3 best performing cards. Also, don't forget that 19% of those 1000 euros are tax. I think that 700 - 750 euros would've been a great price for this card, unfortunately inflation + nVIDIA greed took us to this current level.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

@@user-eq2fp6jw4g 1000 euros for the memory configuration of an RTX 3060 - 12GB on a 192-bit bus.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

@@ruxandy Nope. Not actually worth more that 500 euros for the 4060 Ti, aka o.g. 40"70" Ti - And that is release price, not current price. In other words: In the RTX 40 series, nothing under the 4080 is worth buying at release, current or MSRP prices.

[@hyprjay]

@@ruxandyI got both my kids the 7800xt with a 7800x3d, both play 1440p and play everything in ultra or high. Even star wars outlaws gets like 130fps with optimized settings. I paid. 430 for each steel legend 7800xt. I can't imagine paying 1k for the same thing

[@GamerDesdeLos90s]

I was happily surprised to see my mighty 5800X3D+3070 combo to run this comfortably like a champ in 4K at way above 60 (70-80ish) after some settings optimization and using DLSS Quality. Looks and feels superb on an OLED with a DualSense, the haptics are phenomenal!

[@rinserofwinds]

it runs like a gem, but it is also impressive how well all cores an threads of the 5800x3d get used.

[@InforTelGamerDaniel]

I finished the game in 4k 60 dlss quality on my 4070 super, in early access now leveling up in the game's multiplayer with friends

[@shrathora]

I honestly love these huge game benchmarks so much. Thanks for the hard work guys!

[@peterscott2662]

Another thing that holds back texture quality is cost. Going a step higher in real texture quality (not AI generated upscaling), costs more money in artist salaries.

[@mojojojo6292]

No it doesn't. The majority of textures are made with substance painter. You select whatever resolutions you want textures outputted at after designing them. There is no extra work involved. Just more storage space. I have no doubt the dev team have higher quality texture versions of all of the textures. They just chose what they did for average vram sizes and the overall game size. There should optional downloads for higher quality though for those with higher end cards. Setting that up would be a bit of additional work and costs with downloads of multi GB texture files.

[@Gofr5]

So what you're saying is that I'll need to find high res texture packs from the modding community to pretty things up with my 7900XTX. Gotcha.

[@kerotomas1]

AMD AMD AMD. The game is an AMD sponsored title and FSR performance falls apart. How classic.

[@cowsaysmuuuu]

The 24.10 driver constantly timeout and crash. FSR performance is the last thing AMD should be worrying about.

[@MrNelahem]

@@cowsaysmuuuu well its a beta driver so what do you expect.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

And some comments I see say this game is Nvidia sponsored title lol. When I boot up this game first thing I see is the freaking AMD logo

[@kerotomas1]

@@adlibconstitution1609 AMD literally bundles this game with all of their Ryzens and Radeons and just did a giveaway too lmao.. yeah some people man

[@Belnick6666]

would a 4790k at 5ghz and a basic rtx 1080 work?

[@sanyammalhan]

Thumbnail goes hard 🔥.

[@micahottaway8455]

The system requirements do say 6GB of VRAM is required. One wonders of a GTX 1060 6GB or RTX 2060 would have missing textures. It will be interesting to see if the game likes more cores or better cores on the CPU.

[@Kira-qc4qi]

Testing DLSS Q vs FSR Q is extremely flawed. I'm not suggesting you guys do this in bad faith, but it's misleading to consumers. FSR Q should have to compete with DLSS Balanced at the least. DLSS B might still win in image quality in this case, but at least you'd be going in the right direction. What matters is what the consumer sees on their screen, and they're not seeing the same image quality when you use DLSS Q vs FSR Q.

[@axlfrhalo]

what a well performing game, im really happy to see they managed to make it playable on prettymuch all relevant GPU's on Ultra, means prettymuch anyone should be able to hit 60 fps with settings tweaks, thats awesome!

[@justfun5479]

@Hardwareunboxed We also want CPU benchmarks on this game.

[@johnforrestmacy647]

@Hardwareunboxed I know this is a bit of a niche, but I'd be very interested to see what Ultrawide 21:9 and Super Ultrawide 32:9 resolutions effect GPU/CPU performance. Does the wider view including more screen objects hit the CPU or GPU harder?

[@draxrdax7321]

Finally, a game that is not being tested for 100 players! Git rekt, Star Fight Outlawls

[@dingleberries360]

This makes me happy to own a 7900xt. Powerhouse value card when the game optimized

[@BigRyno77]

what are you frames in game?

[@dingleberries360]

@@BigRyno77 bout 110fps average 1440 native maxxed out, just what my adrenaline says i feel like it was more a lot of the time. But basically neck and neck with 4080s

[@BigRyno77]

@@dingleberries360 ok, I was getting between 90 to 121, depending where in game. I was using msi afterburner. Adrenaline has been acting crazy for me lately. Also maxed out 1440p native.

[@BigRyno77]

7800x3d, 7900xt, asus b650imb, ncase m2, 32gb 6000mt ram 30cl.

[@Rentta]

RTX 3060 faster than 6800 ? Seems like very Nvidia optimized title.

[@1samm1]

Not necessarily - with native rendering, AMD does very well too, especially at high resolutions inching past their traditional Nvidia counterparts

[@MeticulousTechTV]

The irony being it’s an AMD sponsored title. I’ve been playing all weekend with a 6800 XT and felt the drops hard at 1440p. I’m wondering if we’ll see things stabilize when the game ready drive drops (at time of writing, 24.8.1 is latest and doesn’t list SM2)

[@arekb5951]

There's an AMD logo at the bottom of the Focus Entertainment's page about this game. No Nvidia logos to be seen. Most likely a bug or broken drivers.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

This Game loves raw power not VRAM.

[@Trisstan20]

look at 7800 XT vs 6800 XT, they usually on par, seems like previous radeon gen is struggling here

[@gunhaver12]

Appreciate the hard work on this video. That is an exhaustive list of GPU tests 😅

[@VelcroSnake93]

No RT in the game?! But some people on Reddit have told me that RT is NEEDED in modern games and that ALL games going forward will feature it heavily, making Nvidia GPU's must buys!

[@anitaremenarova6662]

That depends, this game obviously isn't trying to go for realism the artstyle is stylized inlcuding body proportions etc.

[@ArchieBunker11]

It must kill you that without RT AMD cards are getting wrecked here.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

This is AMD sponsored tittle. So no RT. if this is nvidia sponsored they definitely paid developer to add RT.

[@Petch85]

11:21 Even a 4060/ 2070 super can do ~80 FPS in this game (1080p medium). If you have a 4060 you will probably have a decently fast CPU, but with a 2070 super you could have a ryzen 3000 or an intel 9000 CPU. Can the old 3600X and 9600K deliver 80 FPS in this game? It honestly looks super interesting to me.

[@whysoseeryus3053]

Hopefully people are starting to realize that CPU does matter, even on higher resolutions... And that will happen more and more with new games. Devs are starting to push even x3d chips now that they know they exist.

[@DimkaTsv]

Are they really "pushing" them, though? Or just developing with "it runs, goes into prod" mindset? It's not like consoles can suddenly improve their GPU midlife... On second thought there are swarming enemies, so... Maybe... If they are calculated as enemies with AI in background, of course.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

4Core Intel Eons into Ryzen dominator. That's why you see CPU bottlenecks Intel can't compete with AMD CPU. AMD can't compete with Nvidia GPU.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

Ironic that you say that given that this game doesn't benefit from 3D cache whatsoever. High single thread performance is what you're looking for to maximize performance, 7700X and 7900X including all the new AMD chips will outdo 7800X3D in this game.

[@MizarcDev]

Played through at 4K on my RTX 3070. Can confirm, game runs fantastic!

[@Lazarosaliths]

522 data points are MASSIVE, but why not add some ultrawide results?? I think much of your audience uses ultrawide(do a poll). I myself use one, and i just multiply the 1440p results with 0.78 to get my fps😂

[@Keiseru]

Did you check for stutter using an 8GB card? In certain engines, such as cryengine (according to Digital Foundry), you only want to use about 70% of your VRAM to stay stable.

[@MortalityUnleashed]

Appears to be optimized for nVidia >.> 4060 8GB faster than 6900 XT?? To quote Metallica, "The thing that should not be."

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Most games are optimized for Nvidia. Nothing new here. Nvidia works with tons of developers, most developers are using Nvidia themselves and around 90% of the PC playerbase uses Nvidia as well. Its a nobrainer to optimize games for Nvidia. AMD is cheaper for a reason you know. Worse drivers. Worse features. Wonky performance. Also AMD GPU sucks for emulation, in early access games, betas etc. NOTHING NEW. I came from a 6900XT to a 4090 2 years ago and its been night vs day. Not going back to AMD anytime soon unless they wake up.

[@AdrianUzumakii]

​6900xt to 4090 ofc its a night and day difference lmao 4090 is like 3 times the price​@@Dr.WhetFarts

[@legendknight2037]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Lmao, you're comparing 4090 to a 6900xt while the comment talks about 4060. 4060 has no right being in the same level as 6900xt. No amount of optimization for Nvidia can make 4060 perform the same level as 6900xt. The problem here is older series in general being slower than they should be.

[@XxViciousxX]

Doesn't Nvidia have their game ready drivers for SM2? If I recall AMD doesn't have theirs out yet.

[@hYpYz]

great video...looking forward to playing this game once I get rid of my 970 along with rest of my dated PC :D

[@AppleFillet]

4080 performing the same as 4090 on 1440p ultra no upscaling is crazy...

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Why? Hardcore CPU bottleneck && VRAM not needed.

[@TheKims82]

This is what happens when you are CPU bound. 4090 is capable of delievering more frames, but the CPU is holding it back.

[@jimdshea]

It's CPU limited...

[@anitaremenarova6662]

Bro discovers CPU bottleneck lol

[@Akaya3511]

I have aa 7800X3D. I have PBO enabled set to 85c and offset of -15 I believe. Cant go any lower on voltage as my silicon is average at best. My temps are 68c to a max of 70c. I know a lot of people had temp issues with this game. It defiantly hits your CPU hard. As far as GPU i have a 7900XTX. This i lucked out a bit more on my silicon. Voltage still only ok at 1100mV. But my core speed is around 3k. Card pulls 460w steady. Overall i get great performance and it runs perfectly. In this game depending how close you are to your native refresh rate, the dynamic upscale works perfectly. I play on a Samsung S95B 65 inch oled. Its a 120hz panel. I set every setting to max. Play at 4k with FSR set to dynamic. I keep a steady 120 fps most of the time. Cant even tell the resolution goes up and down.

[@RoboMagician]

very bad optimization this game.

[@Flaimbot]

14:47 that's very generous. i've seen that texture quality on f2p games in 2012

[@YaNKeeR_]

First!

[@elpibe200]

Second!

[@TDSpyder]

I'm running on a new PC I built 2 weeks ago. Should I be concerned if my fps on ultra is more like 80 average and drops to 65? Specs are 7800x3d + 4070 super + 32Gb RAM Edit: talking about 1440p Ultrra preset (native)

[@CargoShorts7]

Ya'll playing on controller or mouse + keeb?

[@thalo215]

If you do test cpus can you please include the 12400?

[@vampe777]

I want to point out that if you have a 4 gb GPU even other players in coop will see how you walk on air with broken animation or just praising the sun while menacingly closing the distance without moving your legs. This Is truly incredible.

[@MikeColley]

Great work here Steve. Like others, I'm pretty interested to see how CPU benchmarks will work out. As a low to midrange gamer (myself and my daughter), I'm looking forward to more analysis around this. We'll certainly be playing this game together, but most likely in 2025 after the game has had time to be improved a little bit and also come down in cost. No rush to play it but most certainly going to pick it up someday. Patience is always a good thing when gaming.... Lower prices and (usually) improved performance. Thanks for all your work!