Harley Benton S-620 TB 3 years after

[@MikJames-d1g]

Was talking to a luthier friend recently. He was showing me a Harley Benton with a chunky neck, and he said there's no reason for them to be that way, the truss rod is right up against the fret board. Since they started out with a chunky C shape, it's also super straight forward to sand them down into a D/U shape. You just grab a sharpie, draw a rough line down the center of the neck and start sanding down the center line back and forth. The marker lets you keep track of how evenly you're sanding, and you don't even have to move the sandpaper across the neck/off the center line while you're doing it, sticking with the center line you draw will give you a nice even D shape, Jackson style.

[@lenduckworth99]

He doesn't understand that certain players like certain profiles. A Jackson style profile doesn't suit everyone. Paul Gilbert and Jeff Beck have used chunky neck profiles over the years. Warmoth offer the fatback and it's one of their most popular. The chunky necks on HB set them apart.

[@MikJames-d1g]

@@lenduckworth99 Who doesn't understand? If anyone doesn't understand that it's Harley Benton.

[@lenduckworth99]

@@MikJames-d1g what I'm saying is your friend is saying 'take the chunky neck and create a Jackson style profile' when lots of people prefer chunkier necks. It's a bit pointless changing that to something more Jackson/Ibanez.

[@MikJames-d1g]

@@lenduckworth99 My "friend" is a luthier with decades of experience. The point is, Harley Benton is a great value even if you like thinner necks, you just need to put a bit of work in to get there. It's not pointless because HB is a better value than Jackson, but most people complain about the neck profile. It costs twice as much for a JS32 with a FR trem. Though you could argue resale value, I doubt JS32FR's hold much resale value anyways.

[@pbboeye1012]

Really good advice for beginners on this guitar... Ironically it got into better tune (not 'perfect') after the FR test. hahaha

[@ToroKchannel]

This guitar is able to set itself in tune when you use the FR ;)

[@alanleemaxwell831]

Just found your channel and I'm so glad I did!!! Great informative stuff!!! Greetings and best wishes to all from the UK 🙏🇬🇧🎸🤘❤️

[@ToroKchannel]

Thanks and welcome here ! Greetings from France :)

[@alanleemaxwell831]

Thank you, hope you're having a great weekend!!! 😁

[@EdBMetal]

Real nice video and great sounding track you’re playing. I like how thorough your review is after three years of using it. Why is it that your headstock looks green instead of blue in this video, while your first video (4 years afo) of this same guitar clearly shows a blue headstock… did you swap out the neck of it, or did it discolour, or maybe reflect a green screen in your room? Cool looking affordable guitar and nice demo and review. I have ordered one and hope that the neck isn’t as bad as people mention. I also have a Kramer Striker with a pretty thick neck and expect it to be close to that. But like you, i also prefer the Schecter or Ibanez necks. It won’t be a deal breaker for me though. I also think that this guitar could benefit from a string tree. My Ibanez and Schecters have string trees too to provide a proper string angle for the locking nut and improve tuning stability. Great price for an entry level guitar with a floyd, and killer looks. This will be my first Harley Benton. Cheers ToroK 🤘😎🍻

[@ToroKchannel]

Thanks ! I was surprised about your comment, I had not paid any attention to this difference of color between the head and the body of the guitar. When I made the first video I didn't have the same camera and the same lights, so that's a first point to explain the difference you noticed. I have sold this Harley Benton but I remerber there were something like small glitters on the headstock that can also explain this greeny color you see.

[@Thau_mas]

Bon beau père me l'a cédé car il ne l'utilisait plus. Je l'aime beaucoup ! J'ai eu du mal à régler le Floyd rose mais je dois avouer qu'une fois compris le fonctionnement c'est assez simple. Petite question sur ce point. As-tu conservé les 4 ressorts du floyd ou tu en as enlevé ? Super analyse et super commentaire sur Thomann 👍🏻

[@ToroKchannel]

Le floyd, c'est un coup à prendre et une fois que c'est fait, sauf à changer de tirant de cordes, tu es tranquille. Pour ma part je suis vite revenu à 3 ressorts, sans doute par habitude. Cela dit sur un tirant de cordes assez épais, le 4ème peut faire sens.

[@guillaumebaudoin9962]

that guitar was my first one, i bought it because of the look but ask thomann if it was a good guitar for beginner and they said yes... just as you said it wasn't, and i don't know if it's mine but the string wouldn't stop to jump out (the thinner one) i bought a TE52 and it's perfect

[@ToroKchannel]

Sorry that your S 620 was a lemon, but it has lead you to your TE 52 so that was a good thing :)

[@xyholland]

I'd not prefer floyd rose guitar as a beginner.

[@maarten5159]

Hey ho, do you got any tabs for that bombastic sounding demo you put together, cause my ears literally just fell in love!

[@ToroKchannel]

Thanks ! I have written no tab for my demos but I will try and go there. I keep you in touch.

[@maarten5159]

Thank you so much!@@ToroKchannel

[@miyaaaaw]

That's a good looking guitar Have you heard of the FLEOR brand pickups? They are pretty cheap and people seem to like them a lot

[@ToroKchannel]

Never heard about FLEOR pickups bit I will pick infos. Thanks !

[@miyaaaaw]

@@ToroKchannel No problem👍🏻

[@massimodezio4506]

Fleor pickups are GREAT, not only for the price. i have several in my guitars and they are my go-to pups at the moment (no, I am not sponsored :D)

[@miyaaaaw]

That's great to hear. I got one for the bridge for only 10 bucks. Can't wait to install it and finally give it a try @@massimodezio4506

[@miyaaaaw]

That's great to hear!@@massimodezio4506

[@perrenoudlaurent5242]

Elle semble avoir une attaque et une réponse dans les médium et les basses à c'est correct j'espère ne pas être déçu quand je vais essayer...... Mais il me semble après avoir vu plusieurs vidéos que j'aurai un réglage de lutherie complète à faire😮😢

[@ToroKchannel]

Le son est étonnamment bon pour une guitare si bon marché. Mais en effet, tu vas devoir tout régler : courbure du manche, action, harmoniques... Prévois une bonne heure et demie, voire 2h si tu n'as pas l'habitude :)

[@perrenoudlaurent5242]

@@ToroKchannel j'ai une règle spéciale pour vérifier la courbure du manche , un fretrocker , une carte de jauge d'action des cordes ..... Le diapason avec la clef de réglage et l'accordeur .... Le Floyd ... Ça c'est nouveau pour moi mais je crois qu'il faut placer une cale sur la table pour bloquer celui ci si il y a a le régler .... Je ne suis pas encore vraiment habitué j'ai fait ça 5 fois en 5 ans donc je compte 3h 🤣 , merci pour ce partage vidéo

[@ToroKchannel]

@@perrenoudlaurent5242 Je vois que tu es très bien outillé ! Pour le floyd, en effet, il faudra le caler pour régler les harmoniques. En revanche si tu dois régler l'action, il faut qu'il ne reste aucune tension sur le chevalet pour ne pas abimer les couteaux. Donc : détendre à fond les cordes, retirer les ressorts, régler l'action, remettre la tension et vérifier que ça te convienne. Il n'est pas exclu que tu doives recommencer plusieurs fois. Saches aussi qu'un floyd a la particularité de lisser la tension sur toutes les cordes, puisqu'elles sont reliées entre elles. Si tu utilises un tirant un peu bâtard comme du 010-052 avec un accordage standard, ça veut dire que la tension supplémentaire fournie par tes cordes graves va se retrouver en partie dans tes cordes aigues ce qui peut permettre une action un peu plus basse.

[@perrenoudlaurent5242]

@@ToroKchannel punaise j'avais dit 3h ben on va dire 5 hein 😅c'est pire que ce que je oensais pour régler l'action ..... Je vais en baver.... Mais je veux absolument une action basse , j'utilise du 9/42 et du 10/46 j'ai rien d'autre à part sur ma BC rich du 12/48 ou 50 en standard C ..... J'ai d ux ou 3 outils j'ai fabriqué 3 guitare( complètes )et 2 corps mais j'ai acheter 2 manches j'ai craqué mdr et sur 5 ans car pas d'outils électriques ..... Mandrin , ciseaux à bois , rape , rabots .... Scie a chantourner ..... Bon je devie du sujet cela n'intéresse personne 😅😅😅

[@perrenoudlaurent5242]

@@ToroKchannel en effet réglage d'action des cordes éprouvant ..... J'en peux plus .... Elle repart d'où elle vient je vais craquer ....

[@deHelli]

Abonniert habe ich schon!

[@ToroKchannel]

Danke !

[@snatchyachain9195]

is this guitar on the heavier or lighter side?

[@ToroKchannel]

It's 3.4 kgs so it's in the in between side :)

[@MrMinecrafter720]

Hi ToroK! I've been playing for about 13 years, currently my main guitar is a gibson les paul with a bigsby, but I'd like to get a run around guitar with a floyd rose trem to do some Van halen and Extreme style music, would you recommend this guitar for that? Or any alternatives?

[@ToroKchannel]

Hi Max, so it sounds like you're not an early beginner any more :) This Benton would work pretty well for some Extreme, Van Halen or others music. At this price, you can't find better. If you're ok to put more money on the table (around 400€) You could also be interested in the Fusion III series or, since you've been playing a lot on single cut guitars, why not the Sc Custom FR.

[@MrMinecrafter720]

@@ToroKchannel Aha yes not a beginner anymore I hope atleast. I think I will get one of these, the b stock is at 140 euros, and I can't actually see a reason not to buy one at that price aha. Even just for the hardware

[@ToroKchannel]

@@MrMinecrafter720 you're right, there's no reason not to buy it :) If you order, could you please use my partner link ?

[@MrMinecrafter720]

@@ToroKchannel sure thing! Out of interest, what % do you get for a purchase like that

[@Hahahahadavee]

Hey bro , you reviewed both s620 and r446 harley benton which one you recommend ? I like the looks of r446 but which one is better guitar! Thanks greetings from the Qatar 🇶🇦

[@ToroKchannel]

There are 2 big differences between the S620 and the R446. First, the S620 comes with a FR only when the R-446 only comes with a hipshot style bridge. If you're not used to floyd roses, this might be an important detail for you to take in account. The other big difference is about the neck shape. Classic C with something like 22 to 24 mm thickness on the S620 vs modern C, close to the Ibanez Wizard III on the R-446 with 20 to 22mm thickness. You've also got to know that the pickups on the S620 have higher output. Apart from that, well these are 2 very good guitars to play. Hope this will help you chose :)

[@Hahahahadavee]

@@ToroKchannelthank you for your advice! I really appreciate it.. I think I’ll probably get r446 .. because I want something similar to ibanez !

[@GuilhermeSantos2003]

Hello, I am a intermediate player and would like to purchase a new guitar (superstrat) and if possible blue, like this one (it is so nice-looking). I ve been playing on a FR bridge slammer CT21 and quite liked the neck, it is thin, the size I prefer. Since you´ve said that this guitar has a thick neck I am a little afraid to choose this one, plus this guitar doesn´t have coil split which would be a feature that I´d enjoy (either coil split or HSH/HSS pickup configuration)... I´d rather buy a Fusion-III FR but there is not any available with Ocean Flame paint (the style of colour I want) so... Which guitars on thomann would you advise me to buy, for like 200~300 euro?

[@ToroKchannel]

Hi Guilherme :) So, if I sum it up, you want a guitar with an Ocean blue paint, a thin neck and some pickups than can be splitted. Do you need / want a Floyd Rose or is it something you don't really care about ?

[@GuilhermeSantos2003]

@@ToroKchannel The floyd rose bridge is a must :)) I like to play stuff that may require heavy use of the tremolo (80´s metal etc), like it can either be HH with coil split or HSS/HSH with no coil split. Regarding the color, it can be just blue! I quite liked the paint on the Harley benton CST-24 Ocean Flame (and on the S-620 too). Thanks for the reply!!

[@ToroKchannel]

@@GuilhermeSantos2003 Ok well if the FR is a must for you, the best choice in your price range is definitely the Fusion III. Unfortunately, the color of the S 620 TB does not exist on any other Harley Benton. The CST 24T is a very good guitar but the trem will not offer you the same possibilities as a FR. Forget about the dive bombs ! Maybe a Kramer Pacer Classic RB would suit you but I don't know if it's a good guitar and how the neck feels - I'm gonna review a Kramer Assault 2020 in one or two weerks. Hope it helps !

[@GuilhermeSantos2003]

@@ToroKchannel do you have any Jackson guitar? Ive been searching and discovered the Jackson JS32 but still, I think the HB fusions are better for the same price

[@ToroKchannel]

@@GuilhermeSantos2003 I don't have any Jackson at home. A few years ago I had tried a JS 22 Kelly and was really not impressed but I plan on revieweing another one later this year. Think I'll go for the JS 32 in trans purple burst cos'... Well... It's purple ! ,)

[@nathanvilla2786]

I was wondering what on your thoughts on this against the fusion 3 with a Floyd rose? Is the fusion worth the extra money over this?

[@ToroKchannel]

The Fusion III is totally worth the extra money because of a real FR, stainless steel frets and even more if you go for a roasted maple neck. Both the S-620 and the Fusion III are worth every penny they cost.

[@nathanvilla2786]

@@ToroKchannel Thanks for the quick reply :)

[@MikJames-d1g]

Man, what happened to this sort of metal? An actual groove in the drum beat, blues elements throughout, and modern melodic solo playing. How is this not a genre of modern metal? It's like people took the Sabbath out of modern metal and wonder why it sounds so generic.

[@ToroKchannel]

I don't know man. This track was inspired by metal music and alternative rock, and I love to create melodies. Pretty sure there are metal bands that are going the same way, but there are so many bands, it's impossible to know them all. Anyway thanks for your appreciation :)