If ever there was a car where, if you removed badges, no level of inspection could possibly tell you what make it was…
@none376311 ай бұрын
I'd guess KIA, which is not an insult.
@brunodemelo499711 ай бұрын
Rear looks like a lucid. Front like a McLaren suv
@Spenny90911 ай бұрын
Shows you how far they have moved on.
@gweflj11 ай бұрын
Down the drain…
@robkleinlangevelsloo25911 ай бұрын
The car looks like a generic Chinese E.V..
@timday608711 ай бұрын
I absolutely hate the fact that you have to turn off lane assist etc before every drive. I drive a Skoda and lane assist is just plain dangerous. It might work on a motorway, but it activates whenever it detects road/tar repair lines in the road and frequently wants to pull me in to the kerb or cyclists etc whenever I forget to turn it off. All to satisfy some daft directive.
@DrFod11 ай бұрын
Lane assist is unnecessary and borderline dangerous. You can blame the EU for mandating this nonsense.
@michaelsummerell861811 ай бұрын
Lane assist sounds like a good idea in theory, but in the real world it just doesn't work.
@IdiotRace11 ай бұрын
Every time I drive a rental this always happens. I'm so glad my 2018 car doesn't have it or I'd be looking for ways to code the damn thing out.
@bishopdredd534911 ай бұрын
It’s because people are continuously shortening their attention span and are not focussing on driving that we need all this baby care nonsense.
@chrispenn71511 ай бұрын
Yep - same on my MG worst thing about the car. Apart from this stupid, dangerous nanny system, it's a great everyday car. NCAP needs rolling back a notch or two in the interests of safety!
@stevepeary532211 ай бұрын
The main danger with camera mirrors for me is that its a fixed view. With mirrors you can move your head around to widen the view and cover blind spots. You cant do that with a camera mirror. Technology for technology’s sake.
@nickbrown545711 ай бұрын
Really good point, mate. Pulling onto motorways from sliproads, I always move my head around to get a really clear view from my mirror from different angles.
@keyop197011 ай бұрын
Hadn't thought about 'til today when I was looking at a Q8 Etron and the salesman was telling me they're supposed to eliminate blind spots which makes sense with no pillars being in the way. I'm still not a fan but it'd be interesting to have one for a day or so to see if you got used to it.
@stevepeary532211 ай бұрын
@@keyop1970the key words here are “a salesman told me”. A glass mirror uses the same blind spot detection as the new camera mirrors. Mirrors are also positioned so there is an unobstructed view. Give one a try but in my opinion there is more chance of missing a hazard than with a glass mirror
@keyop197011 ай бұрын
@stevepeary5322 D'oh! I was thinking about the pillars getting in the way, but that's because I'm a motorcyclist, so shoulder checks're second nature! 😂
@couldntthinkofmyname11 ай бұрын
I use them regularly driving a lorry and I cannot agree enough. They feel so video gamey because you can't just move your head to change perspective. Our boss is no longer ordering them as accidents have risen.
@isctony11 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, it's an absolute monstrosity! Electric cars still going the wrong way in terms of weight and power. Bring us efficiency over everything else
@niklaswejedal46311 ай бұрын
Could not agree more - lightweight and super areo is the only way to go to make good EVs - not f***ing SUVs
@grossibp11 ай бұрын
I think for that would be Citroen C3 or something recently I've heard about. To compete with Chinese brands in the European market. Of course not of that size. But I agree completely. Nearly 3 tones to move my ass around is too much and has nothing to do with the ecology.
@bishopdredd534911 ай бұрын
I feel that regulators should have focused on hybrids first and move the market to electric when battery technology has improved (as in capacity, less rare earths and recyclable).
@_Ben481011 ай бұрын
It is disappointing that with all the knowledge within Lotus Engineering, they couldn't have developed an Elise EV to give what people really want....A global market electric two-seater sports car with a 250-300 mile range that can be used daily with multiple levels of luxury & options to choose from...
@ericpisch273211 ай бұрын
They make cars the customer wants to buy, customers primarily want SUVs, most Porsche sales are SUVs
@SirVicc11 ай бұрын
Honestly, all these electric popup handles, video mirrors, LCD screen instruments. All things designed just to leave you stranded or locked in or out of your car when they fail/crash. It is getting ridiculous.
@Johnny24rs11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I mean how much does a normal door handle can affect the range, it's insane. I mean they get rid of the dashboard buttons just to complicate other things
@hymek701711 ай бұрын
I'm sure they'd fail pretty quickly in a cold climate and the car is all iced up. Perhaps everyone who spends 96K on a car has sufficient garage space?
@tturtle165911 ай бұрын
But hey, the government will know where you are and send someone to save you.
@strawman305911 ай бұрын
Or remotely operated 🤔
@Skawagon11 ай бұрын
The new Lotus mantra: Complicate and add weight.
@bandidol20011 ай бұрын
Nice to see the Square steering wheel from the Austin Allegro has made a come back! 😁
@Senkatuka2311 ай бұрын
In what world is £96k reasonable?!
@adrianbyron-parker579711 ай бұрын
Harry's World 😁
@larsstougaard709711 ай бұрын
Its surely not a garage sale 😅
@AndrewTSq11 ай бұрын
Haha same here. I think 20k is reasonable for a car :)
@wingcommanderdaltonwalton6711 ай бұрын
A car for the people 😂. The roads will only be repaired once us plebs are priced off of them!
@ericpisch273211 ай бұрын
Harry the millionaire KZbinr 😂 like most other car KZbinrs (shmee Jayemm etc) they are so far away from reality financially it’s hysterical. The avg uk salary is £35k and the avg person drives 50miles a day, so the problem with this car is not the range (it’s fine) it’s the price 😂
@fishbert1711 ай бұрын
Great… Another colossal EV with an equally colossal price tag. Just what we need.
@andypicken784811 ай бұрын
fishbert1 You are correct EVs are just what is need in inner city areas because they are zero emmision at the point of use. 500 EVs within a built up ares will be less damaging than just one foscilfueled vehicle
@macducati230411 ай бұрын
Harry said it has huge brakes, it has to have them to stop the bloody thing it weighs so heavy!
@rare649911 ай бұрын
Makes you wonder in this day and age are there really enough people to buy all these expensive cars? Everyone I know couldn’t afford to buy this kind of rubbish. Not sure what planet these manufacturers are living on.
@kipsome4511 ай бұрын
@andypicken7848 You can't even spell, let alone make a coherent case for EV's.
@03Deltaintegrale11 ай бұрын
The SUV has been killing off mainstream saloons, coupes and verts for years. Only the "premium" marques still sell anything into respectable figures. Now with EVs and their massive battery packs, SUVs will be more prevalent. A whole swathe of homogenous A-B boxes for the mass market to consume.
@Joe-lb8qn11 ай бұрын
A very clear detailed , well filmed and put together review. Pity the car doesn't match, it's outrageous that a £100k car only just has a realistic range of 225 or so miles.
@danparish134410 ай бұрын
Better range and cheaper than the Porsche Tycan
@thesmokingman10 ай бұрын
These Chinese cars copy what's easy to copy about Tesla, w/o what really makes Tesla a Tesla, the EFFICIENCY.
@baobo6710 ай бұрын
The Lotus badge will pull tossers not real motor enthusiasts,
@glenny296010 ай бұрын
People get so hung up on range in EV’s. The world of motoring has/is changing. 200+ miles will give you 3hrs driving at 70mph, by which time MOST people will have stopped for a ‘comfort break’, and with super chargers, you can add another 150-200 miles in 25-30 minutes whilst you have a break. Charging speeds will get quicker, and battery capacity will increase with new developments. EV haters will say ‘I always drive for 5-6 hours without having a stop’ - well this isn’t for you then! I’ve grown up with ICE vehicles most of my driving life, but moved to an EV 6yrs ago, and will never go back. Better for me in every metric. EV haters always talk ‘edge cases’ but 95%+ of their daily driving life, an EV will be more than adequate.
@baobo6710 ай бұрын
Range matters here in Australia.Not a hang up. Cheers @@glenny2960
@grahamcoffer172011 ай бұрын
Simply cannot imagine the awful depreciation on this soulless car ,which unbadged you’d never tell its a lotus.
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
Why would you be concerned about the depreciation 🤣 Just means it’ll be cheaper for the the 2nd owner, countering all of the ‘this is expensive new’ moaners !
@cnesloc857511 ай бұрын
just another Chinese EV
@robsmall646611 ай бұрын
@@SDK2006b"moaners". We have another star for humanity in the comments everyone
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
@@robsmall6466- it’s like ‘shock’ a luxury, high performance SUV is expensive 🤷♂️ I’d like a Ferrari for £50 a month too but sadly life isn’t that easy 👍🏻 My advice would be don’t watch videos of stuff which is beyond your reach, if it triggers you.
@robsmall646611 ай бұрын
@@SDK2006b You could take your own advice and not be triggered by others comments. The OP is making a valid point on both this particular model and car pricing in general ( especially when it comes to the majority of EV )
@dedge1285811 ай бұрын
A proportion of road fund tax should be based on a vehicle's siza/weight to try to discourage this kind of nonsense.
@antonoat11 ай бұрын
I have to agree, surely these massive heavy, inefficient vehicles are the total opposite of what we want and need!
@chillout110911 ай бұрын
Not everyone lives their lives like you. I think you are being tremendously selfish and ignorant to want everyone to want what you want.
@carrotcake999911 ай бұрын
Don't do that do that in France?
@andypicken784811 ай бұрын
antonoat They are not inefficient any EV is more efficient that any foscil fueled vehicle because the ICE is only 30% efficient loosing the majority of its energy in the form of heat
@Nickbaldeagle0211 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as road tax. It was abolished in 1937.
@2packs4sure9 ай бұрын
Harry thank you so much for doing the equivalent in miles per gallon,, no one ever does that in these tests and that's the way I relate to these things. I appreciate it !
@GregoryTKint11 ай бұрын
Lets save the planet with 2.6 ton EVs, larger than a Range Rover and with absolutely crap efficiency... Yup, that makes sense 🤨 It also completely dilutes the brand's heritage. Now, I am for evolution and change but somehow this doesn't feel right... Or I'm just getting old 🤷🏼♂️ PS: would love to know how long the batteries will last before rendering these vehicles worthless.
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
Well it’s lighter than a Range Rover and uses electricity more efficiently than an RR burns fuel, with no tail pipe emissions. It’s an improvement 😊
@kipsome4511 ай бұрын
Exactly right…the cognitive dissonance is something to behold.
@EP-bb1rm11 ай бұрын
The Chinese are world experts in batteries, and come with 8yr/100,000 mile warranties, typically. Obviously ICE cars with their pathetic warranties are hand grenades ;)
@EP-bb1rm11 ай бұрын
@@SDK2006b Exactly. But at 2 miles per kWh and the bulk of it, it will possibly need circa 25k-40k miles to levelise the embedded carbon in manufacturing and use with ICE.
@garyhill972311 ай бұрын
An NMC battery should retain 80% of its capacity for 1000 cycles, so at 250 miles on a charge that’s 250,000 miles and even then it should still be capable of doing 200 miles on a charge so I expect the battery will outlast the rest of the car. For LFP it’s around 300 cycles.
@Brookspirit11 ай бұрын
It's a depressing car, all these things are, but putting a Lotus badge on it is really sad.
@toninhosoldierhelmet403311 ай бұрын
for me it just looks like any modern porsche, very expensive, useless and built for disposable income consumerists that can't find anything else to do with their lives
@EP-bb1rm11 ай бұрын
If Lotus had done SUVs 20 years ago they probably wouldn't be chinese owned...
@somebloke1311 ай бұрын
@@EP-bb1rm God, you're a little ray of sunshine...
@mytinplaterailway11 ай бұрын
They'd be Malaysian owned.@@EP-bb1rm
@GingerPiston11 ай бұрын
It's not sad if it means Lotus becomes profitable and allows them to keep making sports cars as well.
@ferrarikangaroo927111 ай бұрын
Wow, this video was really educational. I now know to only shop for cars pre-2024. Having to use an inconvenient touch screen to turn off driver "aids" (an infection) every time I get in, is an instant no-sale.
@tomlanigan430811 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry to see that some bugger has kicked the door in and then walked around the other side and kicked the other door in too.
@richardstamper563011 ай бұрын
Yes and then left dirty great big holes at the back of the wheels so that stones are directed straight towards your windscreen...
@MG-Rovernut11 ай бұрын
Loving my 26years old Rover Cabby😊
@DriverTuition8 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts!
@dustyice311011 ай бұрын
I think the fact they had to enlarge the lotus badge pretty much says it all ...
@zcat100611 ай бұрын
Yep
@Adlata11 ай бұрын
100% agree this is a poor review and hard downvote from me. With all the amazing cars Harry could review he choose this generic chinese car with lotus badge, nice way to promote geely who own lotus and asset stripping the brand. also how is 90 grand is cheap for a product dumped chinese ev built from slave labour(Uyghurs concentration camp workers make parts, 10 year olds in central Africa working in dirty chinese owned colbalt mines to dig up the rare earth material that goes into the batteries)? that's shmee150 levels of first world problems.. less shilling for the ccp, what next a review another so called 'British' brand owned by the chinese(Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation) MG4 xpower ?
@johnmfjw11 ай бұрын
Big badge big ego.
@nickbrown545711 ай бұрын
@@Adlata I think you make some good points, but you could never describe Harry as a Chinese shill. He is a genuinely honest car reviewer, in my opinion.
@oliy254311 ай бұрын
Huuuuge respect as always to Harry for providing those maths, numbers and figures. A proper bit of consumer advice that is!!
@bastogne31510 ай бұрын
Harry got a new Lotus for this review or a shed load of cash.
@Lyndalewinder11 ай бұрын
Great video Harry - thanks for posting. For a company whose mantra under Chapman was all about reducing weight, the company seems to have lost its way big style with this car!
@ErosXeros11 ай бұрын
It's not a Lotus Car, it's a Geely car. It's not an English Car, it's a Chinese Car. That's it.
@Lando-kx6so11 ай бұрын
It's British just built in China by it's Chinese owned manufacturer
@nariman_kashefi11 ай бұрын
Exactly, Colin Chapman is turning in his grave.
@DougC8311 ай бұрын
Too much Geely and not enough Lotus, way too much chintzy zeekr like knobs
@klausnielsen710211 ай бұрын
It’s a Lotus in the same way that a iX M60 is an M-car!
@ErosXeros11 ай бұрын
@@Leo23XR I do not want to finance the Chinese Communist Party which supports Russia in Ukraine.
@megapangolin109311 ай бұрын
Fascinating video, Harry, the wing mirror replacement package is worth more than my car. I always wanted to say something like that, but it is now true. My car is thoroughly reliable and economical. I am not sure that I am missing out on too much though. Interesting holey design, great for easy cleaning all the mud and stuff which will no doubt appear in every crevice.
@siraff446111 ай бұрын
A wise man once said "simplify and add lightness". Even after his death his legacy was great. It looks like it finally ends with this. RIP Mr Chapman.
@juansantiagovozmedianoponc540611 ай бұрын
Si levantará la cabeza... Una pena y desvergüenza lo que han hecho con su legado. Haber si se pasa ya esta moda estúpida de los suv y coches muy pesados.
@bean5prout29311 ай бұрын
he must be rolling in his grave
@PJH111111 ай бұрын
@@bean5prout293 Can we hook up a generator and convert that to electric power?
@NickG2411 ай бұрын
Legacy fully tainted. 😢
@_Ben481011 ай бұрын
...& a wise man's best friends also once said ''You give us all those millions of £££'s, the wife knows the Swiss banking system, we can transfer it thru' Switzerland & onto Panama...no-one will ever find it'' Perhaps you should re-check on that great looking legacy #delorean
@institutmorningkiss11 ай бұрын
Hateful thing, for many many reasons. I'd list why... but I just don't care enough. Sad. 😢 Thanks for the thoughtful review Harry
@boriss.86110 ай бұрын
Look at Geoff Thomson (Geoff buys cars) and Lee "The MacMaster" (in his Porsche Taykan) their 3 reels on EV v ICE Just disastrous for EV. What surprised me was the cost of Charging £10's for a few miles of range!
@Scuderia2000HD11 ай бұрын
Genuinely cannot believe we live in a world where that thing wears a Lotus badge
@ScoobySteve55511 ай бұрын
Chapman would be crying 😢
@adrianinman11 ай бұрын
It isn’t. It is a Chinese car wearing a Lotus badge.
@Quagmire92511 ай бұрын
@@ScoobySteve555you need to read some history about Chapman! If it made money he’d be interested!
@littlebigcat11 ай бұрын
Get over it. Cayennes means Porsche can make the GT cars
@MrDead197511 ай бұрын
like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin and no doubt McLaren will release one sooner rather than later
@worldofrandometry691211 ай бұрын
They give us touchscreens which are borderline dangerous and lane assist which is meant to help but doesn't. Then there's the wing mirror cameras.....just give us glass mirrors...they work!
@mrsoisauce901711 ай бұрын
There are real mirrors in the states because camera mirrors are illegal here
@annkaewpradit569211 ай бұрын
Returning everyone back to manual cars sans the stupidity of alarm bleeps, attention monitors and lane keeping nanny state shite would possibly make drivers better at driving. The ability to control the vehicle, know it's dimensions and deal with its' dynamics has be lost. Better training, less distractions and no 20 mph zones would be better
@icedreamer962911 ай бұрын
Mirror cameras make sense only once they can remove the entire stalk. Like, if a camera meant totally removing that bump, a totally flat, smooth aero all down the side of the car, I could see the point. Instead, there's a stalk so it is only a tiny bit better for aero.
@philamato958311 ай бұрын
Colin Chapman turns in grave.
@mrsoisauce901711 ай бұрын
@@philamato9583 the big problem isn’t that it’s an EV or an SUV. Lotus has proven it can turn both EVs (Lotus Evija) and passenger vehicles (Lotus Carlton/Cortina) into true Lotuses. The problem is that they didn’t even attempt to do so with the Eletre. It’s big, complex and heavy, even by EV standards. And I know that they’re aiming for a larger market and that they needed a Cayenne competitor, but there were so many better ways to do that that would have actually stayed true to Lotus DNA. This ain’t it, chief
@agermaninsweden9 ай бұрын
Well done video and the deep technical investigations much appreciated Harry ! I see a lot of comments here, not liking the new way of Lotus at all. Well, I drove RRS and AMG SUVs the past years, but now here in Sweden you are more or less forced to change to EVs. After testing all kind of hybrids like X5, Volvo and the usual candidates like EQE/SUV, iX I found the Lotus Eletre the best deal. It simply has a large boot, making it useful for a family of 4 and a dog. Drove it in Gothenborg before Christmas and placed the order right after. Fascinating car, handling like a VW Golf in spite of it's size and weight, getting all the looks. I had no chance testing the range with a full battery charge, but even if it not as efficient as announced, for my purposes and daily driving range it is more than sufficient.
@Matt-go7ss11 ай бұрын
I've seen 2 of these now on the road near me. Both times I've thought they looked exactly like a Kia.
@gghana11 ай бұрын
Kias look better. Not something I thought I would ever say about Lotus....
@rare649911 ай бұрын
I would rather have the Kia EV6, it’s a better piece of design. It’s cheaper, and has a longer warranty!
@lqr82411 ай бұрын
not necessarily a slam. There are some good-looking Kias I have to say. The big problem with Kia is that even the ones with nice interiors and exteriors still have pretty bad engineering such as wind noise, ergonomic issues, etc.
@reececollison510111 ай бұрын
@@lqr824in the UK Kias are right up there for reliability and dependability ratings. I understand their reputation in the US isn’t so good though
@schwarzpm11 ай бұрын
Harry, we need road testers and journalists to stop saying that things like LKA and automated speed restrictions are just something we need to accept and get used to. Manufacturers need to know that buyers don't want it and many will be putting off buying new cars for as long as possible because of it. Maybe then manufacturers will start to lobby governments on behalf of their customers. If this new barge is regularly incorrectly identifying speed limits and setting off a warning i would suggest it's not fit for purpose and either needs to be disabled until it can be fixed, or if that’s not allowed, the car should not be allowed to be sold until its ready.
@MetalTrabant11 ай бұрын
Yep, we shouldn't just turn a blind eye to these new rules. They are all there for more citizen control, in the name of almighty safety... I, for one, wouldn't really buy any new car even if I'd win the lottery. They're basically spy devices with all the cameras and connected technology,. And just generally crap technically, not made for decades, only for a few years.
@MathsYknow11 ай бұрын
I agree that Lane Keep Assist needs to go away - I turn it off in my company vehicle on every drive. Speed limit recognition doesn't work 100% of the time in any vehicle I've driven, so that's no reason to bar the Lotus from sale. It's a reason to limit the system to a gimmick rather than tying it to mandatory speed warnings or speed restrictors.
@DTS770911 ай бұрын
Well said. I hate my Audi Q4 for the same reason. Beeps and bongs all the time and it drives me nuts. I can’t wait for the lease to end and then I’ll be buying an older car. All this intervention will almost certainly not achieve the outcome it was intended to achieve (safety) but instead just frustrate everyone buying a new car. It reminds me a lot of the stupid cookie pop-up that appears on every website (thanks to EU legislation) that everyone dismisses but everyone wastes 5 seconds on every website they visit.
@gambiting11 ай бұрын
Ah yes, what we need is manufacturers lobbying the governments even more. They all do that already - to the tune of hundreds of millions of euro/pounds every year, all in the name of "supposedly" what the customers want. It should be the exact opposite - car companies should not be able to lobby the governments at all.
@gambiting11 ай бұрын
Just want to add - I absolutely agree that if it can't accurately recognize speed limit signs then it should be pulled out from sale as it's not fit for use on public roads.
@owenmcdonald592211 ай бұрын
Some great videos this last year. Aston V8 and 288GTO to name just two. Looking forward to seeing what you get up to next year. For now, have a great Christmas.
@BRMCaptChaos11 ай бұрын
2 miles/kwh. 😮 Brand leveraging it's brand to make short term shareholders happy is a proven recipe for disaster.
@MAM-x3s11 ай бұрын
It’s winter. Surely much better in Summer
@hifiandmtb11 ай бұрын
@@MAM-x3s So? You don't drive your SUV in the winter? "oh, it's not shit in the summer".
@MAM-x3s11 ай бұрын
@@hifiandmtb I mean testing an electric car in the summer, and comparing it to anther car tested in the winter doesn’t have any sense. 350km of range in the winter, and on the high way is actually very good.
@steveburns454311 ай бұрын
A little bit of my soul just died seeing a Lotus badge on this monstrosity
@EvoraGT43011 ай бұрын
TBF they said exactly the same thing about the Cayenne. Now Porsche are an SUV maker that happens to make (great) sports cars.
@stanislavolshevskyi526411 ай бұрын
However, Levante did not help Maserati and DBX is VERY far from saving Aston Martin. So SUVs are not a kind of easy magic, working for every manufacturer. There should be some additional substance and I do not see it in this Lotus.
@steveburns454311 ай бұрын
Perhaps there is a place for this car and they obviously think it commercially necessary. I'm just getting older now and it seems every new automotive thing is another step away from everything I love about cars.
@svenskaz342811 ай бұрын
@@stanislavolshevskyi5264 because porsche did it first, the later ones are just copycat strategies
@krivickas11 ай бұрын
By saving planet with this truck they are killing the brands with heritage....
@seanfoster198010 ай бұрын
Thanks for the early review. Can’t wait to see you review the new EV Range Rover. Also, appreciate the honest feedback on the camera mirrors at night. Don’t hear others talking about those short-comings.
@anthonygnapp749511 ай бұрын
This just confirms to me that I will never buy a new car again, ever !
@Nickbaldeagle0211 ай бұрын
Lease instead.
@RussellB.11 ай бұрын
Depressing isn’t it.
@superseven794711 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@lqr82411 ай бұрын
still driving my 2001 M5 and 2008 F430, both manuals of course!
@Lot76CARS11 ай бұрын
We all want Lotus to flourish after so many false starts, but really, this is totally against what that brand stands for. I fully understand the need to go into the SUV market for volume, but surely they could’ve come up with something better than this? if you took the badges off, this could be from any of a multitude of Chinese EV manufactures that are coming to Europe. iI’s not recognisably a lotus and it’s not for me, but is it for anyone?
@abudhabidel111 ай бұрын
and it's made in Wuhan! Is it really a Lotus?
@matthewgodwin305011 ай бұрын
I don't really know what to make of it. I sort of like it and hate it at the same time.
@kavinskysmith409411 ай бұрын
I'm looking at the price, a 100 grand for this, I was thinking 60! and that's the base model? insert a good old tim allen HUH?! here like are they using this as a test car for that failed Evija sportscar they've been trying to sell to punters for 2 million bucks or something that they keep duke nukem forevering with the battery packs as the battery tech advances, they go back and do it again, rinse and repeat, like those caterham people he had on with the EV abomination seem to have their head in the right place dont make it crazy, get the best of what you can for the price and leave it be, Me I'll just be in a 40 year old Opel GT laughing at all the EV's broken on the side of the road because the charging station got flooded again while I get 40 plus miles to the gallon which is happening right now, also what happens if those cars get into deep water with the battery packs at the bottom
@lqr82411 ай бұрын
I'm 56 and have lived in five countries. A 150 mile range would be fine if it weren't my only car. Frankly I wouldn't even need that. A lot of people have two cars and this would make sense to be one of them.
@samueldowney280611 ай бұрын
But Lotus doesn't really have a recognisable styling language any more anyway. The Emira doesn't look any more like a Lotus that say a Ferrari to me. The Elise and Exige evolved massively over time (and the original Elise looked quite a bit like a Dino!) What design comes to mind when you think of Lotus? An Esprit? They haven't been made for nearly 20 years. I actually think for a 2.5tonne barn door it looks pretty good. If god squished it down with his hand flattening it in half it would actually be a pretty good looking 4 seater. So there is good styling there, is just you can't make a monstrosity like this look nice regardless of styling. People don't buy cars like this for the styling anyway, it's just all about image. In the UK people are not about to stop buying BMW and Audi SUV's to try and impress their neighbour with a Lotus. But in other countries where different brands are valued this will likely take its place alongside those vehicles in the market.
@mattsurrey613811 ай бұрын
We have a 2023 Ioniq 5 (dual motor) Namsan for our family run about and I was flabbergasted at the difference in range come Winter. When temps are in the 20C+ we would get close to 300 miles, below 10C and we are on almost 200 full charge. I have begun to like the camera mirrors but it took a long time. We live just down the road from Harry and the lane avoidance on the B-roads is borderline dangerous! If I'm not going on a motorway it gets turned off as soon as I get in. Hopefully Lotus will iron out some of the problems with updates and it will be interesting to see how the range differs come summer. But as many have said the biggest downside for me would be depreciation. There's a LOT of Taycan s/turbo GT used cars out there going very cheap and I've even heard stories of some Porsche dealers not wanting to take them back for trade-ins... To also add not having a rear wiper on a SUV in the UK is a nightmare, no matter how much rainX you put on its gets mucky very quickly.
@chrisbirkett105911 ай бұрын
I have a 2023 Ioniq 5 Namsan edition as well and I really dislike the camera mirrors. They're fine in daylight but truly awful at night, especially when trying to reverse. The reversing lights don't seem to do anything whatsoever and the reverse camera on the dash is no better. I really struggle with reversing the car at night. I'll never have another car with reversing cameras again, normal mirrors are absolutely fine! I'm also suffering the same range issues now that the temperatures have dropped, but that comes as no surprise
@philmclean232311 ай бұрын
I really feel for you Harry. So sorry you had to do this.
@milesr311 ай бұрын
It’s unforgivable that it has such a massive battery, weighs 2.6 tonnes and struggles to achieve 2 mi/kWh.
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
That’s the going rate for SUV’s of this size. A lower powered Range Rover weighs 2.7tons and the SVR averages 16mpg
@scottbowers724811 ай бұрын
The problem is that it’s an EV
@markgilbertson156411 ай бұрын
This is not a Lotus. It is an insult to their history.
@andypicken784811 ай бұрын
markgilbertson1564 Its the best car Lotus have ever produced
@scottbowers724811 ай бұрын
@@andypicken7848 it is the best appliance Lotus has ever produced
@paulanderson77967 ай бұрын
For me the biggest problem with cameras as opposed to optical mirrors is refocusing. In an optical mirror you look into the distance. With a camera and screen your eyes have to focus on the screen.
@funkyfin302311 ай бұрын
I had a deposit on one of these from the start of the ordering process. Fortunately I was able to see it and sit in the car at the Fully Charged Live show. The only thing I liked about the car was the yellow paint and the quality of the interior, not the gaudy gold fittings. Cancelled when I got home and bought an ex demo Taycan Turismo Turbo for £40,000 off and love it. I stayed on the Eletre FB group and it has many software faults that will be fixed but why did Geely with their EV experience release it in that form? The fundamentals like poor efficiency won’t be fixed with an OTA though. Some love it but many have returned it and there are loads of cancelled orders on Autotrader. The next heavy depreciator and another reason I won’t buy a brand new EV at launch again.
@Beer_Dad197511 ай бұрын
You dodged a bullet there - this is Chinese owner (Geely) mandated garbage - a cash grab project.
@mrdainase11 ай бұрын
When you first showed us the flank I thought you'd stoved the front door in!
@seanfoster198010 ай бұрын
Please keep doing the cost range and eMPG calculations - love it
@davidrowan916311 ай бұрын
Those wheel well vents look like accident damage. Appalling bit of design.
@markgilbertson156411 ай бұрын
I thought the same. They look wrong.
@ksm198511 ай бұрын
100%
@seanfinlay739311 ай бұрын
Yes! I thought the front door was dented 😂
@annkaewpradit569211 ай бұрын
First thing I noticed that crease in the door panel below the A pillar looks like the result of a supermarket shunt with a shopping trolley. Appalling 🤢🤢🤢
@richardporter620111 ай бұрын
Add one more person who thought it hit in the side. I see no reason for this car to exist. Sad day for Lotus.
@scc772211 ай бұрын
I'm 68, never owned a Lotus but dreamt about them as a young man, and always admired the Chapman philosophy born from guts, passion, and imaginative thinking to make a place in the racing world: I feel really, really sorry for all the young people today who will never experience what young men of my generation experienced...bye bye the automotive industry, it was a fun ride !! Oh, and thank you Mazda for my 2011 MX5 NC, bought second-hand in 2017, affordable, reliable and keeping that smile still on MY face :)
@jeroenstaal490711 ай бұрын
Hahaha, I'm a little younger at only 56 years, but I do love my 2008 Mazda mx5 Niseko Icyblue edition car!
@samueldowney280611 ай бұрын
I tend to agree with the sentiment, but most young people today don't care about cars. They're no longer special or exciting and just another household appliance to them. It's just us old farts that are saddened by the end of it all. So get out in the MX5 on a nice Sunday morning somewhere quiet and enjoy while we still can :)
@andrewmitchell231311 ай бұрын
@@samueldowney2806 too true.. numbers bothering to pass their tests has dropped considerably..
@EwanM1111 ай бұрын
The cost of owning a car as a young person has got out of hand. If you look at price, fuel and insurance unless they are living at home or have had the car gifted, forget it. Then you need somewhere to park it.
@lukespector555010 ай бұрын
I understand. I'm born in 1979. A Mazda 3 Astina is my daily driver. An Aston-Martin Lagonda Series 3 V8 saloon ('87 model) is my special car. I prefer automatic movement chronograph watches to any "smartwatch" Chinese crap! Your generation WILL NOT be forgotten ever by me.
@marktaylor177711 ай бұрын
96000 is crazy.. will depreciate .like you would not believe.
@reececollison510111 ай бұрын
At the end of three years this probably won’t even be worth £30k
@adrianbennett37613 ай бұрын
The depreciation will be glacial.
@happyhamster771211 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for anyone who purchased one of these now that I have watched Harry`s review. I suspect we are looking a future depreciation record holder. I do wonder how many people actually think they are buying a Lotus.
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
Markets go up and down. Just 12 months ago used cars cost more than the new ones, due to the long wait times on the new orders. Now there is a downturn, due to over supply and high interest rates on finance. All it takes is a hike in the fuel price and EV’s suddenly become more desirable. Either way, the electric sector is the fastest growing in the industry.
@johnnyg170011 ай бұрын
@@SDK2006b Is that why new EV sales in the UK are down by 20% and second hand prices are tanking? Not forgetting the increasing cost of insurance due to spontaneously combusting EV fires and bans on ferries.
@SDK2006b11 ай бұрын
@@johnnyg1700 - think you have been watching too many anti-EV click bait videos. 1) According to the SMMT - the body reporting new UK car sales, Battery Electric vehicles sales year to date are up 27.5% in 2023, compared to 2022, and the year hasn’t finished yet. Look them up ! [Petrol up 12%, diesel down 15%] 2) EV’s are less likely to catch fire than fuel vehicles. Per 100k cars, insurance data shows a much higher % of fuel cars catch fire. The problem for EV’s is most car fires are reported as EV fires, whether they are an EV or not,. E.g. the Luton Airport carpark fire, which was started by a diesel RR. BTW - All 2nd hand car prices are currently tanking. Take a look at any new ICE car above £80k from new and the 12 month used price is low.
@MyKharli11 ай бұрын
I wouldn`t , theres so much money sloshing around in certain quarters that people will buy anything , the more expensive and useless the better just so they can show they can .
@PromethSunrise11 ай бұрын
well, no. If you watched the video this car will cost you more than a ICE car lol@@SDK2006b
@TypeTuber11 ай бұрын
Thanks Harry for the review. This creation is unfortunately a waste of resources. Would have been much better for Lotus to focus on a lightweight electric sports car (that prioritizes lightweight over range)
@danielenticknap754011 ай бұрын
They did.
@nickriley165211 ай бұрын
Or even lightweight small family cars that drive well... Like an electric Peugeot 205... that could be cool...
@Neojhun11 ай бұрын
Caterham Project V is basically what Lotus should be building.
@nickriley165211 ай бұрын
@@Neojhun yeah 100%
@markchisholm265711 ай бұрын
Except Lotus is a 'for profit' company and that means you need to make SUVs.
@GeorgeTurnbull-z9l9 ай бұрын
Although I couldn’t in a million years afford any of the cars that you review,you are still the best on u tube.Always interesting and informative keep up the good work.
@peterbustin26838 ай бұрын
You aint missing much !
@somebloke223811 ай бұрын
If this was badged as a geely, I still wouldn't like it, the fact that it's badged as a lotus is a travesty
@richardstamper563011 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct.
@EvoraGT43011 ай бұрын
TBF they said exactly the same thing about the Cayenne. Now Porsche are an SUV maker that happens to make (great) sports cars.
@somebloke223811 ай бұрын
@@EvoraGT430they said they're gonna stop making ICE cars tho
@richardstamper563011 ай бұрын
Last time I heard Porsche Cayenne was designed & manufactured in the EU and was not a dubious badged Chinese car.
@joakimsundberg762211 ай бұрын
Exactly @@richardstamper5630
@hughoxford873511 ай бұрын
I’d seriously much rather a review of a Renault 4.
@rideforever11 ай бұрын
Ha ha I think I just laughed half a mince pie over the other side of the dining room !
@lukemallory783211 ай бұрын
Hear hear!
@RussellB.11 ай бұрын
Modern styling and car tech is just awful
@Aaron-cb2dd11 ай бұрын
I'd actually be very happy to watch a review of one! Musch more interesting stuff to talk about such as wheelbase being longer on one side than on other!😂
@firefighterps211 ай бұрын
Amen
@SteveHanderer11 ай бұрын
13.8 mpg, 2.6 tons and £100k and this is progress! I'll stick to my ST Fiesta thanks 40mpg, 1,2 tons and £24k.
@Neojhun11 ай бұрын
"13.8 mpg" Ummm WTF? This probably gets equivalent of 80 to 90 MPGe. Which is quite bad for a BEV, but still HALF the energy requirement of your Fiesta ST. Just a reminder the Lithium Ion Battery has a tiny fraction of the energy capacity compared to your petrol tank. There is limited amount of energy the car has access to thus needs to be efficient.
@Neojhun11 ай бұрын
OMFG Harry lies, you can not exchange Higher Unit Pricing Cost for Consumption Rate. That is not logically acceptable and mislead to assert that MPG consumption rate is higher. It's not where near 13.7MPG. That's like saying the same car consumes more MPG of Fuel because you are using more expensive fuel. This is absurd nonsense misinformation.
@mbak780111 ай бұрын
@@Neojhun No it is an accurate way to reflect equivalency in an old measurement method. You need to think a bit more of how he came up with that figure.
@SteveHanderer11 ай бұрын
Harry did say charging at home at 30p per kWh the equivalent mpg was around 35mpg. It's fast charging at 75p per kWh at commercial charging stations that increases the costs.
@isaachunt579910 ай бұрын
to fast charge this pos lotus will cost about 80p a kw. it'll do 220 miles to 110 kw's so to travel 220 miles will set you back about 100 quid in fast charging electric 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@JFW535811 ай бұрын
I see the Rolls is back at last. As for the Lotus, I agree with others, this is not a Lotus. Its size and weight are so contrary to Colin Chapman's philosophy of lightness and nimbleness.
@grahamariss211111 ай бұрын
True, but Chapman had a number of RangeRovers as his daily run arounds so he was not opposed to the concept of the SUV.
@BobKenge11 ай бұрын
@@grahamariss2111I don’t think his Rovers where heavy, probably under 1700kg… plus Rover back then were more utility focused not so much luxury items
@BobKenge11 ай бұрын
💯
@EvoraGT43011 ай бұрын
TBF they said exactly the same thing about the Cayenne. Now Porsche are an SUV maker that happens to make (great) sports cars.
@AbrahamArthemius11 ай бұрын
@@grahamariss2111If it actually serves the purpose coming from its name (Sport UTILITY Vehicle) then I can get why Colin used it it, the car is honest. Much like the Land Cruiser 70 series (which is still being made today), early Land Rovers/Range Rovers still follow the utilitarian purpose, it's a no nonsense vehicle. Nowadays most modern SUVs just live on the road taking up space.
@chadderton11 ай бұрын
It's not really a Lotus though, is it? And that range is appalling.
@truantray11 ай бұрын
Can't really call it a Lotus until they figure out how to make it leak oil.
@honchoNI11 ай бұрын
Erm, it is?!
@robertmarsh358811 ай бұрын
@@honchoNIyes it is. 2 miles per kWh? Absolutely appalling.
@fomavictorevitch11 ай бұрын
Dear Mr. Metcalfe, I was going to change my Audi e-Tron RS GT for an Eletre R these days, everything was in readiness at my dealer in the South of France. I've cancelled this order and will now wait to buy an EMEYA instead, I understand that there are substantial improvements to the battery giving it a much more interesting range than my Audi. I hope you'll test the EMEYA as soon as available to you! May I suggest that you do so in France as the charging infrastructure is quite excellent now. With sincerest regards, Baron T.
@darrenfox976911 ай бұрын
I saw one recently in the flesh and was surprised how big and ungainly it looked. It just doesn’t look either premium, light or fast.
@chillout110911 ай бұрын
I think certain colours make it look different. The Galloway Green, for example, makes it look really elegant, posh and expensive.
@andymccurley111 ай бұрын
How the hell can that thing be £100000? Absolutely ridiculous.
@MrSoppysod11 ай бұрын
My neighbour's wife works for Lotus and has just arrived here in Essex with a bright yellow one as her company car! Nice work if you can get it!
@_Ben481010 ай бұрын
She'll be lucky if she can do a round-trip to Hethel on a single charge then....& let's not mention all the heavily flooded Norfolk, Suffolk & Essex roads she had to EV avoid...😉
@jeangenie6811 ай бұрын
You cannot use a handheld device whilst operating a vehicle, as they are dangerous due to the distraction, rightly so, too.(unless you are a police officer as they are obviously special and highly trained and can do whatever they like) but you can use a computer whilst you are driving. Amazing.
@mytinplaterailway11 ай бұрын
I couldn't work out where the speedo was. If it's on that screen it's not in the drivers eye line.
@TassieLorenzo11 ай бұрын
@@mytinplaterailway I think it's a heads-up display projected on the windscreen.
@zcat100611 ай бұрын
Agree. Total crap. What's the difference? I'm old enough and smart/aware enough to forge my own path. Government is not my god. Be gone.
@julianevans954811 ай бұрын
And we've no idea how many crashes are caused by people using the screens in the car because who is going to admit to that?
@XENONEZZ211 ай бұрын
Agree...and then there are EV's where you have to take your eye off the road to know how fast you're going...as in....Tesla's and that new small Chinese made Volvo EV...!!...God help us..!!.
@Otto-AutoPilot11 ай бұрын
This just further cements my declining interest and enthusiasm for cars, which for decades have been my passion. I'll sum it up by suggesting watching the into to the Cannonball Run movie with the sound turned off - it's just not the same. Without the visceral feeling of an internal combustion engine, EV's just don't do it for me. Watching some Tesla beat an ICE sports car in a drag race or whatever.... so what. I'm enjoying the last hurrah of ICE cars and will remain grateful I was alive at a time where I was able to do so. It's not about performance, it's about how they make you feel.
@grumblur11 ай бұрын
ICE cars CAN indeed sound fantastic, but most don't. I much prefer the silence of EVs over regular four cylinder engines, in other words something like 90 percent of what ICE cars have to offer (at least here in Europe).
@Otto-AutoPilot11 ай бұрын
@@grumblur I appreciate that, but my passion is based around sports cars and classic cars with glorious exhaust notes and intake roars and mechanical orchestras - not daily driver A-B cars. I don't go to car shows to see, or watch KZbin videos about boring daily drivers. Each to their own.
@zcat100611 ай бұрын
Great analogy (?) referencing"with the sound off". Clever and point on!
@goldsteinshekelberg759711 ай бұрын
I'm only interested in EVs. Didn't care about cars before. Especially Chinese brands shaking up the market (though it seems Lotus kinda failed). Some fans exit, other fans enter.
@Boris-xx7dw11 ай бұрын
Great analogy and couldn’t agree more , I was into cars from around 4 yrs old , but the cannonball run was the film that cemented it . It’s funny I see on the news the other night that Tesla were recalling them hateful things for a software update and they were interviewing the chairman of the Tampa Tesla owners club ! Now that’s a meeting I’ve got to see and how interesting and original the cars are 😂😂😂😂
@derekhunt694310 ай бұрын
I am really troubled by these LED headlights, drivers are constantly being dazzled with small changes undulations and acceleration effects, it seems that Type approval laboratory test environment fails to take account of real world conditions, there proliferation is hurting drivers eyes. The Lotus Carlton was a much better and unfairly maligned car and and no were near the weight of the dull Eletre. EV's are harming the environment not saving it.
@davidcaswell307711 ай бұрын
I drove a Peugeot e208 recently. Felt quick despite 134bhp and extra weight of electrics etc. Despite the fact that I gave it the beans at every opportunity, I couldn’t make it do less than 4 miles per kilowatt. Driven sensibly it was closer to 5. It’s not even a dedicated EV platform. To not even match the Taycan is bordering on criminal. Plus, I think it’s pretty horrid to look at. Like the interior though.
@AntoniusTyas11 ай бұрын
e208 and all other small, nippy EVs are the way to go rather than monstrous 2.5-tonne pseudo offroader EV with 1000hp.
@AlastairMaw11 ай бұрын
Grippy 315 section tyres and 2.6 tonnes is probably twice the rolling resistance of an e208. And given the size, quite possibly nearly twice the frontal area, too. Basic physics says it'll only do about half the miles per kWh, so I'm not sure why anyone is particularly surprised.
@adrianrowden826611 ай бұрын
Harry always seems to be amazed how much space there is in cars the size of a tank...
@morgman4311 ай бұрын
Despite owning a Fiat Panda, which is genuinely surprisingly spacious...and has all wheel drive.
@CatBroiler11 ай бұрын
I mean, the Eletre is both longer and wider than something like a M113, and that can carry 11 fully kitted out soldiers plus crew.
@jonnyb960410 ай бұрын
Harry, you compared that Eletre's range at 8°C against a much more streamlined Taycan at 12°C. I credited you with enough common sense to realise this wasn't fair. Would you really buy a Lambo Anus or an Eletre at less than half the price.
@HereForTheStories10 ай бұрын
Haha I said as much to my girlfriend when he said it!
@KevinBrown-zz2qy6 ай бұрын
Saw this review a couple of weeks before mine arrived in Dec. Thought oh no…. Lots of lovers and haters for this vehicle. Just thought I would put it out there that I get a range of about 310 miles in range mode……no problems with range for me. Rarely drive more than 250 miles in a day. And rock solid, fun to drive and feels super safe. I think of some reasons not to buy (it is very wide and the software can be a bit ‘buggy’ at the moment!) but range isn’t one of them 🤷♂️ Don’t really understand how Harry’s experience of range is so different to my 6 months of driving .
@maisycreedracing7711 ай бұрын
We’re all massive Lotus fans, that is literally the worst piece of design we’ve ever seen it’s totally awful it looks like a Pontiac Aztec, just for balance the new Emira is totally perfect 🤩 So we’re not being horrible 😊
@hymek701711 ай бұрын
If I asked a generative AI to design a car I'd expect something a lot like this. It's rather naff.
@paultune169611 ай бұрын
That thing and the Emira are literally polar opposites. I love the Emira, I wouldn't be seen dead in one of those. Funny, I've just watched the video and already forgotten its name!😂
@AllWheelsGood11 ай бұрын
Why would anybody want a Lotus that not only looks like this but is also so huge and bulky? I'm trying to think of how you'd justify it. I think it's awful.
@WarrenF11 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same, if you’re going to buy a big luxury suv a Porsche cayenne or Mercedes eqb would be a better option and a lot cheaper
@TassieLorenzo11 ай бұрын
Geely are hoping the *same* people who want big and bulky Porsche and Maserati SUVs will want this! It's all part of their plan of repositioning Lotus from a sportscar brand to a luxury performance brand more similar to Porsche or Maserati. "Complicate and add weight!"
@ATomRileyA11 ай бұрын
add lightness... :)
@sambagogo77711 ай бұрын
I feel the same way but we live in a world where the horrendously ugly and gauche Bentley Bentayga is somehow desirable. Go figure!
@Beany2007FTW11 ай бұрын
@@WarrenF I mean, the irony is, people said literally, exactly that when the *Cayenne* was released - why are Posrche doing this, just buy a Range Rover if you want a luxury off roader.. And now you're recommending a Cayenne as an alternative.
@robi438710 ай бұрын
I drove a Ford Transit LWB the other day and it was a van, a cavernous van, a 3.5 tonne cavernous van and I loaded it full. 205 miles for £49 of diesel = mind blown! This Lotus = mind confused!
@cp451211 ай бұрын
The old Chapman saying of “just add lightness” has not really been followed here……..😂😂😂😂
@lewis7211 ай бұрын
It wasn't with the Lotus Carlton either.
@edgarbeat285111 ай бұрын
Another way of making a car stick to the road. Gravity and mass. I hate how much weight is in all electric cars. Thick doors, massiv dashboard, massive seats. I would love a stripped out version. With dials instead of Display panels. All utterly depressing.
@edgarbeat285111 ай бұрын
I have even considered converting my old 206 estate to electric.
@lewis7211 ай бұрын
@@edgarbeat2851 It'd still weigh a lot as the batteries are so heavy, which means you need big brakes, strong suspension, big wheels/tyres... it all gets scaled up due to battery mass.
@4444aliraza11 ай бұрын
Your grasp and explanation of battery efficiency pits you ahead of the pack Thanks as always for the thorough review Harry.
@meetontheledge11 ай бұрын
In that case you may consider changing packs.
@winstonbunn462411 ай бұрын
Love your enthusiasm Harry, but this can not be the future. Where is the Lotus efficiency?
@bertramspielt11 ай бұрын
I saw the first of these press cars in the late summer near Frankfurt at the hotel and spoke to the two italian gentleman who drove it. They were also extremely disapointed by the range, because they wanted to drive to Milano with this car! And yes: this thing is huge. It parked beside a Transit Custom - which looked like a minivan in relation. Absolut crazy. The Lotus badge looked so wrong on this thing. But there is a little bit of the old Lotus spirit in this example: the speaker cover on the drivers door is missing... 😂 But its a great video, like every sunday! Thank you!
@JJVernig11 ай бұрын
I thought the same about the speaker grill, but after seeing the left side at 11:47, I am not so sure now..
@Abe_Sheen11 ай бұрын
Those speakers are supposed to be like that. Extremely ugly, just as the rest of the vehicle.
@kip879011 ай бұрын
What nobody is mentioning is the massive depreciation on EV’s. Once it’s getting close to 100k miles, nobody wants to be the one holding onto the car that needs a new battery so the values plummet. So soon we will have a massive glut of cars with shitty batteries that are worthless.
@howarddavies13611 ай бұрын
Taycans are coming out of company car and lease schemes now, and the used market is not being kind to them at all. I wonder if any companies provide an independent battery warranty.
@STANLIZ411 ай бұрын
Much less than 100K! they make no sense whatsoever to the thinking private buyer
@mytinplaterailway11 ай бұрын
Even if you want an EV, surely you wait for the next generation - 5 years? - from Toyota, and avoid being saddled with these dinosaurs .@@STANLIZ4
@CovKid2K1011 ай бұрын
These new electric cars are all disposable pieces of rubbish. I prefer to Stick to mechanical things that last forever.
@strawman305911 ай бұрын
Also insurance is going through the roof
@timvins10 ай бұрын
When you say £90k is a reasonable price, we all know future motoring is not for the masses 🤔
@SS-yw7vo11 ай бұрын
Side mirror cameras are fixing a non existent problem
@LOTPOR040211 ай бұрын
And adding more complication that cost a fortune to replace
@grigorioschristodoulou522911 ай бұрын
They are not even equal but more complex. They are plain worse. No depth information
@zakelwe11 ай бұрын
@@LOTPOR0402 Yep, it would be worrying every time you drove down a b road. Already around here SUV drivers drive over the centre line until they have to move over just to avoid getting the 23 inch alloys damaged ... It would be ironic a big fat EV getting stuck with an oncoming home oil heating tanker coming the other way 🙂
@LOTPOR040211 ай бұрын
@@zakelwe Not really going on about ,I am going on about insurance repair costs .And you wonder why car ins is sky high .If you are not in the know then go and check out the price of car parts
@ecan53311 ай бұрын
That good old fashioned saying 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'
@smudger646111 ай бұрын
Not for me, Harry... it looks like an electronic nightmare. Why they feel the need to build these things is beyond common sense...I thought these electrical cars are to save us from dooms day, so why so big and ugly. With equipment added, just to make them appealing. Hybrids running on sustainable fuels is more of an interesting topic to cover... but thanks for the vlog..
@davidbacon189911 ай бұрын
Trouble with common sense is that it's not very common. Awful car
@arzsas5611 ай бұрын
Well said I think every one is jumping on the bandwagon with EVs and I think all this satisfies the government because they want people to have these cars
@smudger646111 ай бұрын
I would gladly switch to a hybrid alternative if and when that time arose on a personal front. But this kind of attitude is beyond belief. Do something that is truly groundbreaking, not fancy lights and daft electronic rubbish....
@thomashall703511 ай бұрын
I read the title and thought the range was 900 miles- so clicked (as that would be impressive). Imagine my disappointment!
@petersimpson585911 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your XJ12-C. It's just beautiful.
@user-rf9me7xm1w11 ай бұрын
Good luck parking it in the standard size bay or garage. Oh, and 160 mph, that’s useful when all the UK roads are being strangled by the introduction of lower speed limits.
@claudiushempstead989311 ай бұрын
160 MPG for about 4 miles!
@Bob-nu3xe11 ай бұрын
The car is for people with very big egos and even bigger garages
@Gary7even11 ай бұрын
The Silver Shadow is back! Where has it been? Please give us an update. Would love to see another road trip with the Shad.
@benpenagonzales601411 ай бұрын
The other thing that is worth considering - you’ll only use 70% of range. Charge to 80% and you won’t go beyond 10% left without anxiety kicking in
@eco-advisor11 ай бұрын
I have an ioniq 5 and have been told by hyundai that I can't let the battery drop below 20% state of charge as it stops charging the 12v battery. 2 days later you can't get in the car.
@charliehmi7611 ай бұрын
@@eco-advisor That's progress for you.
@siraff446111 ай бұрын
On top of that you usually have to make detours for a charge. Of course it varies how far but you would usually make zero detours in an ice because you just fill when/where convenient.
@mytinplaterailway11 ай бұрын
Basically it'll take you 100 miles, then get you home.
@Nickbaldeagle0211 ай бұрын
Do you use 100% of petrol or diesel range?
@crisholmurb00711 ай бұрын
Certainly did not expect a premium Chinese EV from Geely to be such a "gas guzzler" - good to know. Thanks Harry! (Prolly tells a bit what to expect from the Volvo EX90 as well...)
@Beer_Dad197511 ай бұрын
What I want to know is who wants to spend a hundred thousand pounds on a Chinese SUV
@ryanyentao8888 ай бұрын
Hello Mr. Harry. Would you give your feedback if the Eltre tester you have driven without The Lotus Dynamic Handling pack is sufficient enough for us not to pay extra for it as a costly option?
@JP-gi2pr11 ай бұрын
It must be a beast for wearing out tyres.
@angela1984a11 ай бұрын
Yeah. Look into emissions of microplastics from tyre wear. In Sweden more than half of all microplastics in nature comes from tyres, so it's probably going to be something similar in the UK and globally. So this SUV is probably going to be one of the absolute worst cars you can buy from that regard...
@BobKenge11 ай бұрын
Exactly And bushings !
@EvoraGT43011 ай бұрын
Like all SUVs
@johnnyg170011 ай бұрын
And very costly!
@Biochemechanic11 ай бұрын
A set of tires will run at least $2K.
@3114411 ай бұрын
The Police : you can't use a mobile phone in cars EV manufacturers : right guys, lets put a 19 inch flat screen monitor screen right in the middle of the dash ... the only thing EV's have going for them at the moment is acceleration/power when the reality is they should be concentrating on getting the range up into the 300 to 450 mile bracket to compete with ICE's, the EV bubble will burst sooner or later
@aliveRaptor292911 ай бұрын
Boom its allresy burst
@freddiefox.10 ай бұрын
No control in a vehicle should be on a touch screen. They should be tactile buttons, knobs, switches, levers, or sliders that can be operated by feel alone, in my view and experience. If the driver has to look at the control to operate it, they are immediately driving distracted, which is technically unlawful, as well as extremely hazardous and could be very dangerous in terms of collision risk.
@peedeegt9 ай бұрын
The new model 3 has been proven to do be able to do over 350 miles fairly easily, in the cold, with heating on etc. Check out Richard Symons channel. Why do functions have to be manual buttons? Buttons means cost, more things to go wrong etc. I have been a technician for well over 20 years now and would love a pound for every hour I’ve spent fault finding on faulty switches / switchgear. If it was up to you lot, we’d still all be driving around in 1980’s Land Rovers 🙄
@CosmicSeeker699 ай бұрын
you were getting paid for fixing buttons (I've driven all sorts in 50 years and don't recall one problem) but the point here is ROAD SAFETY - You bitching about button won't go down well when some Mothers child get killed by someone looking for the wipers - will it?!! @@peedeegt
@simongibbs393611 ай бұрын
Sorry did I hear you say Libor a couple of times regarding the camera’s? I thought that was to do with interest rates for bank’s? Great review, thanks. I had a look at one and I must say it didn’t do it for me. Owner had a few cars and said it drove very well.
@kateandrews850611 ай бұрын
I had an Elise S1 back in the nineties and it was fabulous. Lotus has lost the plot with this one sadly
@wareidav10 ай бұрын
I had an S1 too.. A bloody brilliant if a little flawed car.. Very fragile but soooooooo much fun to drive. Light Quick and Fun.
@thesmokingman10 ай бұрын
Losing the plot so much so that it's now Chinese!
@srbmckenzie9 ай бұрын
Me too... and now I've got one of these. I love both, I'm also getting exceptional range from my Eletre, and cannot see hoe Harry got what he did, I'm comfortably getting 300 miles of range even in this weather.
@bishopdredd534911 ай бұрын
My little 1.0L 3-Cylinder Ford Fiesta has stopped being produced because the future is electric. But all the electric cars I see are huge, heavy and very expensive, with a debatable UK charging infrastructure.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@macducati230411 ай бұрын
And they'll be able to retro fit a Govt control module......
@brunorivademar535611 ай бұрын
The future is not electric. This farse is nothing but a slow train wreck. Mark my words. Petrol cars are here to stay.
@TassieLorenzo11 ай бұрын
Yes, it's quite ironic!
@charliehmi7611 ай бұрын
Not much of a debate regarding the UK charging infrastructure as far as I'm concerned. I left my previous job because they were running an EV.
@angela1984a11 ай бұрын
Tesla Model 3? VW ID.3? Vauxhall Astra Electric? Cupra Born? There are smaller electric cars, but I don't think they have quite the same range as these four. Maybe the Renault Zoe...
@Justin-ee3im8 ай бұрын
Wow, it sounds amazing! I just love that V8 roar.
@rotatoryrotisserie361911 ай бұрын
What a depressing car. I love Lotus for the same reasons as you, Harry. That Lotus is not this Lotus. You may have been palpably forgiving and eager to find the good in this, which is to your credit, but it misses the brief any manufacturer would set, and in my opinion, soils the name "Lotus". It is a poor effort that seems to take badge engineering to a new low. Rather sad.
@howardsportugal11 ай бұрын
Apart from its challenging looks & massive dimensions, this car is made in Wuhan, China & frankly you could put a Geeley badge on it & it would be just as much not a Lotus. Be interesting to see residual values in a few months
@markgilbertson156411 ай бұрын
Could do the sports car business harm if it flops.
@mrsoisauce901711 ай бұрын
It’ll probably make them loads of cash, much like the Porsche Cayenne did for Porsche back when it hit the market. I just hope that they take the money and use it to make more true Lotus sports cars that we all want (and eventually make the consumer cars, including the SUVs, more Lotus-like)
@mitchellsteindler11 ай бұрын
@@mrsoisauce9017nobody outside of car enthusiasts and British people have heard of lotus. This will not make them money.
@mrsoisauce901711 ай бұрын
@@mitchellsteindler not among sports car lovers, no. But this isn’t meant for us. This is meant for the average joe. This is for the ppl who haven’t heard of Lotus. This is the car that will put them on the map for the Everyman. Again: very similar to what worked with the Cayenne for Porsche. And then they can go and use that money from the boring people movers to produce the sports cars we all want
@mitchellsteindler11 ай бұрын
@@mrsoisauce9017 everybody knew what a porsche was. Nobody knows what a lotus is.
@laurelgreentriumph10 ай бұрын
Well worth watching for the cameo appearance of the Morris Minor Convertible at 13.58. 🤩
@kennethpole243911 ай бұрын
My wife's Honda Fit (Jazz), which she loves dearly, has almost as much interior volume.
@davidevans408911 ай бұрын
The Jazz is one of the best cars you can buy for its price point.
@russ821111 ай бұрын
Love your channel Harry! ‘Driving an appliance’. Great phrase. As an ex Evora owner I think Lotus should have focussed on building an Electric Roadster first…where people don’t bother about range and carrying,, but DNA.
@LizkLizk11 ай бұрын
I own the eletre s for few days now, it can do around 510km at max(tour mode), power consumption is around 22kwh/100 km, the range is much better then the taycan. So I am very surprised when harry can only do 220mlie, I think maybe it’s because the weather?
@andrewselden35811 ай бұрын
btw Harry..did l miss your coverage of town manoeuvrability, ease of parking/finding a space big enough etc??
@paultune169611 ай бұрын
No, I don't think you missed it, rumour has it he's still trying to find a space it will fit in!😂
@andywright163411 ай бұрын
Ah yes, simplify and add lightness. When reasonable prices start at 90k, I'm still living in the 1990's
@robsport10 ай бұрын
Harry, I would be interested to hear a Lotus engineers take on the relatively poor range performance you experienced. A fascinating review thank you.
@karlvanginderdeuren400911 ай бұрын
In the garage where I service my Exige, the owner feels ambiguous about this. He is a true racer and petrolhead but this does finally allow for decent sales numbers. Just like Emira. His technicians do not want to work on the EV lotuses. Really a “I did not sign up for this” mentality. Can’t blame them.
@disarchitected11 ай бұрын
They wouldn’t have the skills to work on these. They will have to retrain or retire. Old skool mechanics are going to be a dying breed along with increasing levels of electrification.
@claudiushempstead989311 ай бұрын
400 volts DC is a killer, emergency services do not want to go near them!!!!! let robots work on them.
@_Ben481011 ай бұрын
Your dealer won't get decent sales from this model... It's a turkey already, much like the Evija & that £1 million "lost Lotus" Can-Am recreation. Here's hoping sales will come on the final new Lotus to be launched in this range, based on the smaller Zeekr X platform...That will be a better prospect for volume sales, but this battery range problem is worrying as that's sealed-in Zeekr/Chinese tech that the Lotus engineers presumably cannot alter.
@karlvanginderdeuren400911 ай бұрын
Bear in mind that there are limited lotus dealers per country. Who now can split this pie of tax friendly EV. So yes they instantly sold a few dozens. Which is much more than they used to sell elise, exige and evora...@@_Ben4810
@rob329811 ай бұрын
The sooner they bring in road tax based on weight the better! Insult to the memory of Colin Chapman!
@james-mccartney11 ай бұрын
With mirrors your eyes can focus to the same/similar distance as when you’re looking forward through the windscreen. With camera/screen mirrors your eyes have to adjust to focus on screens