Has Blitz Actually Respected Millie? - Helluva Boss

[@maplebarf]

Millie’s first rant at Blitz was entirely valid and I feel like she only apologized because he was sad. You can be sad but that doesn’t make what you do okay.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

No according to the Internet.

[@KiiBon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it was more or less Blitzo that apologized in the end. About being their "third" and everything, her rant made him finally read the room

[@maplebarf]

@@KiiBon I’m talking about the line where she’s like “I should’ve respected you like you respect me”.

[@jknetwork6211]

THat's bojack horseman in a nutshell aint it?

[@iamacerealkller]

exactly that, i thought her outburst necessary for blitz and i thought it was going to open some character growth for him but then she just went back to babying him uhh

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Millie has more established relationship with Loona than with Blitzo. That's why I felt warmth when Millie called Loona by her actual name, instead of "the hellhound". They don't interact a lot, but at least I know how Millie feels about Loona.

[@althealee9375]

Right? That literally caught my attention so fast because she’s never called her by name before

[@clarafaria6613]

And that bit about them being only imps that can't make bussiness explains her kind of racism agaist Loona, probably she saw that whole system of classes her whole life

[@jaycookie2912]

Now that I think about it, isn't it wild that Millie is disrespectful and openly racist towards her "best friends" daughter. The daughter he's overly protective of and sees as a precious gem? Disrespect could be tolerated as she returns the energy, but the racism is crazy. Loona in general has been too inconsequential imo, despite the amount of love Blitzø is supposed to have for her. They just can't help it with the female characters, can they?

[@sephoramandondo2548]

@@jaycookie2912"buts it’s a male center show" ingoring the fact hazbin female characters have the same exact issue

[@TextbookSadass]

​@@jaycookie2912 Exactly

[@Truck-kun11]

The series leaving Millie in the background for so long came back to bite them in the ass this episode since you can't make an entire episode revolving around the supposed friendship of two characters when we barely had them interacting the entire series.

[@Ahmad-3425]

On it's tuck kun

[@oblue0033]

I understand she was low on the priority list, but I really don't buy the whole "Millie is or was self conscious about being a violent killing machine" feels like we're being told a problem that never existed, but that's just me.

[@erikbihari3625]

​@@oblue0033. Viv just let the online complaints influence the writing and transplant those into the characters. Like when superhero characters make fun themselves!

[@redpanda6497]

​@@erikbihari3625 We didn't say that though. Why are blaming us?

[@moonbloom2262]

@@oblue0033 ... that's because the problem existed before the stuff we see in the show. she got over it because of blitz before the show started. in the episode she states she doesn't care about what ronaldo says, thus she's gotten past it. you cant complain about a problem not being shown because it isn't a problem in the in universe timeframe we watch.

[@BrandonJames2016]

I definitely think he treats Millie with more respect than most characters in the show. Being best friends is definitely weird like um where💀

[@boydixonentertainment]

I kind of buy it. But mostly because we know so little about most of these characters’ personal lives, I’d honestly assume Moxxie or Millie don’t interact with anyone outside of I.M.P. except once in a blue moon.

[@erikbihari3625]

From what was shown, Blitz doesn't make things easier for himself being this casual. "Hell", the only one who ever even called him"boss"was moxie, who gets scolded most!

[@erikbihari3625]

​​@@boydixonentertainment. Probably because she doesn't disagree with and abuse him, unlike moxie and loona respectively. But blitz not make things easier, being casual.

[@sonicthespeedster7336]

4:57 me and my homie was just talking about this yesterday. Because the way millie worded her teasing at the end of the episode made it sound like she'd be down to let blitz fuck moxxie if moxxie said yes

[@jiado6893]

We don’t know how Millie exists outside of this job. We’ve met her family, which was cool, but she doesn’t live with them anymore. We’ve never even seen where the couple lives. Moxxie we’ve at least gotten to know some his hobbies, like his love for theatre, despite those things usually being mocked or a source of humor.

[@kingdingaling6516]

Yeah...the show NEVER showed Blitzo and Millie as 'best friends'. Blitz respected and definitely liked Millie more than Moxxie, but that wasn't dropping hints that the two had a close connection.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

I think that if you go back to the first season, you can get the impression that they are more than just employer and employee: the way Millie puts up with Blitzo’s antics and privacy invasion implies that she cares about him on a deeper level and there’s one scene in the third short in which she calls Blitzo to ask him to provide a work-related excuse to get out of going to the opera with Moxie (one can read this as a bestie trying to call for a “solid you owe me”). I can see in retrospect how it’s implied that the relationship was there, but it’s been out-of-focus as we don’t see a lot of one-on-one interactions between Blitzo and Millie.

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

@@wilberwhateley7569 I think her wanting an excuse to leave the show was added for humor, and to explain why M&M weren't also on the hit

[@Moghster6969]

lowkey dissagree Even thought The show didn't give us as much interactions as with for example moxxie, they still had some stuff with suggested that they might be close: Like for best example in that once scene in truth seekers: while threating moxxie like good combat partner and loona like daugher, his conversations with millie were much more "chill" and seemed like they're more goofing around. Also millie flexing her skills kinda shows that she really cares about what he has to say Also what is rare asf, in hmf episode, he actualy truly complemented her and clearly respected her, even among her parents, without any insult or anything. Just straight up complementing her skills. What's more, millie litteratly tried to convince blitz to take her on a mission in weeaboo boo short, because The musical she was watching with mox was soo boring. There's also the brief glimpse of their text history in "Seing Stars" that they're close enough Millie is comfortable asking Blitz advice on sex toys to use with Moxxie.

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

@@Moghster6969 oh my god, that's like the first time I've actually seen someone say "I disagree" instead of just yelling their opinion

[@Moghster6969]

​@@Cr4ving__nachøZsee, The World isn't that shitty after all^^

[@Kaleidosaur]

1:23 Lol, in a way Helluva Boss characters are still antagonists for Hazbin Hotel. The hotel is meant to help curb overpopulation, meanwhile the Helluva Boss crew is sending down more sinners CONSTANTLY XD

[@Notyouraveragename]

Well at least the 18 kids opossum sinner mom has company lol.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Remember: Stalking is cool as long as it's done by the emotionally-traumatized main character.

[@KaidenZvek]

So you're telling me Marinette was traumatised even before becoming ladybug, huh

[@0ueddecillion718]

@@KaidenZvekyeah kinda but still not justified

[@gwyn3122]

This is a super unpleasant truth. Marinette and Blitz are super nasty person who are constantly being excused by the creators and most of the fandom.

[@mooniera2810]

​@@KaidenZvek Dang, you beat me to it.

[@anisecandy3108]

Now I need that workplace appropriate vs inappropriate meme with Blitz and Hazbin's Vox lol

[@bioshockbrat9171]

To be fair when Loona says "Give them some grace," I like to think back to the scene where she's bringing him home from the party and taking care of him on the couch. She's not giving him shit, she says she'll be there for him in the end, and he won't die alone. That is her grace for him. She'll protect him when the others can't. The M&Ms are at home, and it's a minor thing to give him this moment. She cares and like a moody teenager, it's lame to show your parents how much you love them.

[@darkwoods639]

Finally I see someone in this chat who actually pays attention to the dialogues, instead of throwing mud at the series for no reason.

[@nurvplasma]

Tbf after this emotional pet talk in Queen Bee, Loonas actions in seeing stars make sense. Because the trust that Blitzø and Loona had developed in that episode gets demolished when Blitzø practically labels her as replaceable along with Millie and Moxxie backing him up on his statement. The only people she thought she meant to just told her (in her mind) that she's not important and is easily replaceable which would be hurtful to a person like Loona. So obviously she shuts him down when he decides to hug her, she's already shown signs of hating physical contact (Growling, stern looks, etc). Why would it be different now?

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

Stuff like Verosika saying Blitz doesn't realize his actions affect others when her crew SA'd Moxxie, or Stolas saying Blitz didn't warn him about Striker when he was flirting with him while he was held at gun point in episode 1 proves the problem with Helluva Boss is how the comedy CONTRADICTS the characterization instead of enhancing it

[@SilverScribe85]

Verosika did it just to spite Blitz

[@No-ny3co]

​@@SilverScribe85 so? Bro said that like it made the SA ok🤣

[@8onnie8oyz]

Still SA​@@SilverScribe85

[@taddad2641]

they didn't 'sa' him they just smooched him a bunch to fuck with him, and cause he's cute. thsi is also hell so peeps normally take an extra extreme to how theybehave and its seen as normal. How they hell do those two incidents relate? He had no idea blitz WAS in danger. When he did he intervened later. Blitz literally did not tell him that someone sent an assassin after him. he coulda been more prepared and maybe even driven off if not killed striker the second time, but blitz felt it was at best an anecdote. Blitz stalking his friends is cause of a singualr obsession, that he brought tow people together and he developed a complex about it, and is obsessed with seeing this cause in his mind it was the only good thing he's ever done. along with him wishing he could jut insert himself into it. millie ultimately confronted him about it here.

[@thevanillafeziant]

@@taddad2641Even if it was only kissing that still counts as SA. You’re still violating someone’s boundaries and physically assaulting them in a sexual manner. Kissing someone against their will, especially a bunch of people doing so it’s definitely not ok. Idk why this is so hard for people to understand.

[@cloudykid7278]

Atleast we managed to get a Millie episode even if them being besties is kinda not as earned as it should have been

[@knowdaqueen177]

If only we didn’t waste time rehashing the same stuff we already know about Blitz

[@BlitzTheOissilent867]

​@@knowdaqueen177Right! The problem with them releasing these episodes months apart is that they're treating us like we forgot what happened last episode, and spend half the episode rehashing things. At this point in the story, this kinda episode should've happened like half a season ago, and we should be at the point where an actual major plotline is forming or in play already.

[@erikbihari3625]

​@@BlitzTheOissilent867. The release schedule not the problem. The actual story pacing! Remember Steven bombs?

[@erikbihari3625]

​​@@knowdaqueen177. How many episodes does one helluva season usually take? Back when television was the king, animated shows bounced between thirteen and twentysix episodes per season! That way, you can not only weave togather plots that weave across whole seasons, but plan out little side adventures wich are entertaining,world/character expanding.

[@BlitzTheOissilent867]

@@erikbihari3625 Man, I haven't heard someone mention that in forever 😂. And you're right, the pacing is pretty crap. I just always assumed that was because they thought the viewers weren't smart enought to remember the last episode that happened 3 months ago. Because if not that, why are they doing this?!

[@doomed89]

I think you missed something big about Millie's character. To her Blitz respecting her doesn't mean his actions, it means his inaction. He doesn't check up on her, he doesn't question her work, he doesn't micromanger her or criticize her performance. She feels immensely respected by him just letting her work.

[@andre_f_607]

I agreed with your point. But, i guess Millie being a character who, since the start of the show, was placed like support (emotional ou physical) of the cast; and, still, she is the one who gets minimum help like: Moxxie cheering up her in the end of the camp episode, when she did the same all along; Loona just helping her grudgingly, because of "teenage mood"; And, Blitzø being a inspiration model for she be able to overthrow the racist under imps. All these things are nice for her. However, we, as fans, have asking for Millie spotlight just to she receives support when ASKED or for PASSIVE attitudes , when she is constantly put like the pillar of everyone around. It sounds so low to what she deserves.

[@Seth8754]

@@doomed89 holy shit i missed that. Perhaps she also sees Blitz's interrupting her and moxxies moments like a small mischief she can tolerate after all its her amazing boss who saved her from doubting her skills but %100 if it was coming from someone else she wouldnt put up with that.

[@dinasourprincessparty]

She said respect, but it sounded like she really meant support. And for Millie, I think they might be the same thing. When she needs help, what she wants is space and confidence in her ability to handle herself. So, she give the people in her life the same kind of support that she wants, not getting involved, and giving distant encouragement. But, there is a fine line between respect, giving someone space, and detachment. So, I didn’t mind her apologizing for not respecting Blitz, because it felt like she was apologizing for being detached from his struggles, until they effected her, which was true. It could have been a really nice moment of growth for Millie if they would have established that more clearly. From my own experience, it’s not a common love language for people to get the warm fuzzies when being left alone to handle a problem themselves, so they probably should have clarified that. I do think that respect is both Millie and Blitz’s love language though, which was why I actually think he responded better to Verosica at the party, she told him clearly how she felt after what he did, she was speaking about herself, not about him. Blitz seems very capable, and maybe too eager, to take accountability for his actions, but chronically unable to take the blame. The difference between “you hurt me” and “I was hurt by this thing you did.” Every time someone is able to express the “I was hurt” sentiment, Blitz seem to take responsibility for that hurt, right or wrong. For Blitz, I think he needed to be called out for his destructive behavior, but not blamed for it, demoted, or coddled. Millie didn’t try and change his behavior, she only explained why she respected him and apologized that her own hurts over his behavior cause her not to respect him enough. And Blitz not only took responsibility for his actions, but felt genuine remorse and a resolution to change. Millie is probably the only person who can communicate this well with Blitz.

[@chat-arina]

Instead of “BEST friends” they should have gone with just “friends”. And in later seasons after some more groundwork they could have become better friends.

[@rysingsun4693]

I did really like the episode for the most part, and I liked the new framing of everything up to that point with Millie considering Blitz her best friend... But yeah the "I should've respected you like you always did for me" got side-eye from me too. The only justification I can come up with is that it's hinting at a character arc Millie needs to go through regarding putting him on such a pedestal that she lets him get away with too much. She both respects him and feels like she owes him, which makes her feel like she needs to apologize for getting fed up with his shit. It comes across like she doesn't think she SHOULD be frustrated with him because of that... "debt". She is shown to be the Mom Friend of the group and frankly lets the others walk on her in some ways, taking a long time to reach her limit. Maybe she overcompensates BECAUSE of her previous life as a loner. She's trying so hard to be "grateful" and loving that she puts up with more than she should. Mutiple people I've known have really struggled with that; bending over backwards out of a subconscious fear of losing what they now have from past experience/abandonment trauma. Maybe it has something to do with her history with Chaz. Do I think that was planned? Ehhh time will tell but I'm not getting my hopes up. Would be a nice arc though. We've seen enough bits of her reaching her limit that it wouldn't be coming out of nowhere.

[@taddad2641]

honestly that seems to be how they framed it. she tolerated his bullshit until she could tolerate it no more. but their friendship is beocming truer cause they are now establishign boundaries that were not there. which saves it for me is that she confronted him about the stalkign....... be fair this Is hell so they are inherently more eccentric and aggersivve but there is a clear line to not be crossed.

[@tripulet]

I like this take. And maybe there's more hinting at future development when Blitz later says, "I've never had a friend I haven't tried to f*ck" -- it kind of feels like Blitz is realizing that for the first time, and Millie is hearing that for the first time. So maybe it's a signal that their relationship is going to be truer and more best-friend-like than it has been in the past.

[@shadowwood549]

@rysingsun4693 Ohh! That's how it came across to me too! That is a very fair point. Maybe she's a pushover because of gratitude and debt. Who knows? Emotions are complex. Lol

[@MoRPho151]

The problem is that they didn´t make clear what she was apologizing for. Because, she had the right to be mad, but she also called him pathetic because he was like that over a break up and that was mean. If she was apologizing specifically for that for me is OK, if she was apologizing for being mad at him is not because she has the same right to be mad as the right he has to suffer. The problem is, however, that they are very used to Blitz dealing with his pain alone and to rely on him, but not to try to help Blitz to rely on them more, and that was meant to explode at some point. For me she does that because she loves them and cares about them, and is her decision to do so. However, is always healthy to put limits to that, and it would be interesting that they explore that on the future, with a moment of Millie feeling vulnerable and her being the one that needs support and not the one that gives it.

[@yakult_lvr22]

the one thing I loved about this episode THIS season is that there wasn't any double plot bullshit. thank God we could actually just focus on one main event

[@EDEN-xj3qm]

This show is the definition of wanting to have its cake and eat it too

[@BlitzTheOissilent867]

Yup. The earlier part of the show was so focused on making blitz as wacky and weird as possible, that once the actual emotional plot lines came into play, nothing made sense. So now Viv is stuck trying to psuedo-retcon the relationships between characters in order to move in the way the plot needs them to.

[@erikbihari3625]

You know guys, watching"Murder Family"And"The Dreadful Dawn"togather, things got clear, real fast. Watch Villainous!

[@erikbihari3625]

​@@BlitzTheOissilent867. You're talking like this type narrative shifting anything new. Not the modus operandi for every popular cartoon from twothousand ten til twenty!

[@Moghster6969]

Why so?

[@Moghster6969]

​@@BlitzTheOissilent867 what didn't make sense in this episode

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

Blitz: "Boundaries?? Fuck is that, some kind of dish soap?"

[@grapesoda2207]

This is one of many examples in Vivziepop’s shows where a character continuously does something bad and the writing conveniently brushes it off in favor of meeting undeserved emotional beats. Like Verosika gang r*ping Mox as a joke, then calling Blitz sh!tty for being a bad boyfriend. Stolas forcing Blitz to have s*x in order to keep his only source of income, then getting upset after he emotionally JUMPED him and he didn’t react the way he wanted. The slightest mention of their blatant power imbalance was met with “WHEN HAVE I EVER” which really ruined his character for me

[@hannahhannah7002]

Quite genuinely Viv is trying to write beyond her capabilities. Either she's too toxic of a creator that no one has course corrected this mess, or no one actually cares about this project

[@cherie2861]

yeah, i mean, i liked the episode, but i made this "um" face when millie apologized, because i expected blitz to do it. and i thought there was a build up to this, like where they start to argue and millie expresses her frustration, so he can reflect, have his hallucination moment, more or less calm talking to millie and apologizing for how he behaved, because millie would totally forgive and try to understand. i feel like brandon (bc he wrote the ep) thought that by apologizing they would make it seem like blitz's feelings and panic attack aren't valid, which is not true.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

I felt the same way, I was waiting for Blitzø to apologize and got disappointed when he didn’t

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

Yeah this is still one of my Top 5 favorite episodes of Season 2 but Brandon kinda wrote himself into a corner. He amped up Blitzo's mental and emotional state to a level so fucked that there would have to be a way to calm him down before he and Millie could even begin to resolve anything. The first meeting flashback was a good way to do that, even if it did catch some viewers off guard. Then he probably realized this should lead to a moment of emotional honesty from Millie due to how differently Blitzo is acting than usual, and settled on that moment being Millie admitting to using him as an emotional pillar when things look like they're going south. Where I think he went wrong was having Millie equate trusting Blitzo's process and judgement even when she cant see the vision right away to respecting everything he does regardless of the consequences.

[@WonderlandLaLa]

Helluva Boss sounds like if somebody watched Bojack Horseman but they unironically believed Bojack was the “good guy” and probably got really upset when Hollyhock cut ties with him lol

[@jasonjasso666]

FINALLY SOMEONE NOTABLE IN THIS COMMUNITY SAYS IT. More than Blitz not really respecting Millie to the point she needed to apologize to him for her outburst, it’s actually crazy how no one brings up or chooses to forget the tough “love” Blitz gives Moxxie, something that still happens even after the Truth Seekers episode. It’s played for comedy, but also not, as Blitz has outright told him it’s because he sees the potential in him and is just egging him on to be tougher. He literally does the typical parent abusing their children because they want them to be prepared for the real world thing. Pretty sure most die hard Blitz defenders or at least those who UwU-ifie him just because he has a tragic backstory wouldn’t be nearly as understanding if they had someone like that in their life. I’d also like to point out it matters not if Blitz made their lives better when he first met them, it’s clear he’s regressed since then when it comes to people like Moxxie, only giving him an explanation for his actions but not actually stopping. Also am I crazy for thinking it’s insane Blitz treats someone like Millie with a bit more respect yet his biggest punching bag is someone who had a similarly bad upbringing to him?

[@DoveJS]

Regarding the last sentence, it's not insane if Blitz believes that he himself turned out fine when he's been treated similarly all his life. This isn't necessarily true but in his mind the worst trauma is the accidental death of his mother, which was Blitz's own fault, so it overshadows everything else. He then writes off his own dad's awful parenting as unfair only because "dad preferred Fizz" without inspecting it much further. And so, Blitz may think Moxxie needs an adversary who simply isn't as horrible as Moxxie's actual dad in order to improve and become more confident; basically a friendly rival pushing him to be better and someone who is willing to call him out for being neurotic without intending unrecoverable harm. Sort of a safe exercise in asserting himself for Moxxie (without thinking of it in those exact terms because Blitz certainly isn't that introspective.) Unfortunately, the tough love and other aggressive interactions that come naturally to Blitz probably triggers Moxxie's fawning instincts if it doesn't push Moxxie far enough to stand up for himself. Moxxie also doesn't want to lose his job or potentially the friendship and Blitz might not take it seriously because he sees Moxxie's anxieties as overthinking everything. Blitz may think he's being helpful because he assumes that he himself found it helpful and doesn't realize other alternatives are probably much better (especially since Hell isn't conducive to seeing better support.) He also of course doesn't want to treat Moxxie like a son so it would be a completely unconscious effort (presumably unconscious responses on Moxxie's end as well) and Blitz may not recognize exactly how much power he holds over them as the owner of the business and their boss. He's in a weird position; while he recognizes the issues with Stolas as a partner, Blitz's own power is probably a major blind spot for him since he'd never assume he has that much privilege in anyone else's life even if he realizes he's a screw-up who can't let anyone in. But that's all conjecture on my part; I might be completely off-base with bizarre assumptions.

[@birdmcturd1626]

I mean,if you hate yourself,then you’re gonna hate anyone who reminds you of yourself

[@Prox_Doaa]

I feel like the "respect" given is more "show don't tell". Like, Blitz constantly letting M&M take the reigns. Not to mention Millie may see Blitz not treating her just an Imp as respect. It IS important to understand who's saying it.

[@ultimateninjaboi]

Season 1 is basically loose canon at this point. Like, the events happened, sure. But a lot of the ways the interactions happened are basically being ignored. (Case-in-point, Stolas actively contributing to Blitz's belief that Stolas just wants sex, and looks down on him).

[@montserratmarroquin400]

S2 feels really "tell don’t show", we never see the things that supposedly have always been there, and to make up for the fact that we never saw it they just put a little montage (Millie and Blitzø’s friendship being shown in flashbacks)

[@phantom-ri2tg]

"Season 1 is basically loose canon at this point." That is called bad writing. People coming in to a series expect the early parts to be introducing characters. Saying the whole first season they saw only partly is actually canon in an episodic show is disrespectful. In stories pretty much every moment is compared to past moments. It honestly baffles me how much of a pass animation is given on this stuff. I see writers of web novels work so hard to avoid even tiny plot holes as they are written by a single person.

[@WonderlandLaLa]

You know the character/story writing is border-lining on incompetency/hypocrisy that people try and justify it by literally slapping “uh uhh it’s basically non canon anyway” onto the ENTIRE first season 😭😭 the disrespect LOL

[@montserratmarroquin400]

@@WonderlandLaLa It’s even worse with the pilot, "It’s not canon" yea but you can see what they were originally trying to do (Stolas basically being a villain) or "the pilot is to propose an idea, it doesn’t dictate the entire show", yea but like they said, it proposes the idea of what the show is going to do, which was basically silly murder, something that we only see in shorts 😭.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

@@phantom-ri2tg It’s worse with HH and people excusing the horrible pacing with "they only had 8 episodes" many series have done so many stuff with only 8 episodes "They were worried about not having a second season" I hate when people use that excuse, it’s better to leave your audience wanting for more then complaining "It’s Prime’s fault" no it’s Viv’s fault, the entire reason why indie animation is praised is because it doesn’t have a corporation breathing down everyone’s necks, if Prime didn’t give Viv enough time, she should have just cut them out, I know it’s a big deal but Viv has a huge fanbase, she has the resources, it’s even worse once you realize that she basically discarded the original VA’s (If you don’t know, the original VA’s put a lot of work into getting the pilot popularity, so when Viv replaced them, she didn’t even let them use the voices for a charity stream for their friend, and didn’t even invite them to the premiere, I think even one of them said how they felt unappreciated).

[@theabautista2277]

In all honesty, I feel both Hazbin and Helluva have the same writing issues; wanting emotional moments but wanting their comedy too which doesn't always mesh. The writers want to have their cake and eat it too, and we've seen how that's played out a number of times and its been a consistent thing so far. I hope the writers manage to correct this at some point going forwards

[@DoveJS]

It's entirely possible to have humor enhance emotional depth and vice versa (consider George Carlin's stand-up for example) but it's a lot harder to get it right because it takes a lot of skill, understanding, and good pacing for the payoff of both. The creative teams for both series were aiming high but their inexperience and some bad decisions might've botched a number of elements.

[@MoRPho151]

Is possible to balance both though. I don´t know if you have watched Tuca and Bertie, but I was surprised how that show was able to have heavy themes like abuse and feminism and at the same time be a comedy. At least, to me, it never contradicted itself with its comedy and message. Admittedly, I have enjoyed Helluva a lot, but even as an enjoyer and a more contemptuous fan of this show, I admit that it has that issue. Sometimes you don´t know what is humor and what is meant to be serious. In seeing stars people were mad that Loona hit Blitz for laughs, but in this latter episode we saw that was in the traumatic Blitz´s memories list, so it seems that trully hurt him and that the moment is actually taken serious in the series. So is weird that is filmed for laughs and at the same time is brought up in a more drama centered episode. That being said, these creators are unexperienced, this show is free and is very enjoyable, has good songs and even with its flaws and inaccuracies can convey its message in a good way. Is a 8 to 7 for me.

[@theabautista2277]

@@DoveJS Oh definitely, like I don't doubt that balancing humor with more heavy subject matters/emotional moments can be achieved as you and @MoRPho151 have said and given examples of. Like you said though, it takes a lot of experience and skill to balance the elements to make both land, and the Helluva/Hazbin crew just don't quite have that experience yet. Doesn't completely ruin the shows for me, I still enjoy them and what they've set out to do, I just can't help but start to pick up a pattern between the two. Only time will tell on how much they polish their skills, I'm absolutely rooting for this team all the way and I wanna see them succeed.

[@Seth8754]

@@theabautista2277 fr it goes something like : Oh no someones baby is getting kicked how hilarious To OH NO MY BABY (loona) is feeling down... :(

[@borikidor]

I am annoyed that Millie apologized to Blitzø because she should have called him out way sooner.

[@maracianolivez8367]

that makes sense, but timeimg was off, for a call out.

[@bi-theway-thatsit3050]

I took it as less apologizing for calling him out and more not recognizing that he was actually emotionally distressed. When they were talking about Stolas on the car roof, it almost sounded like she was in disbelief over how much he was affected by the whole thing. I think her assumption at the beginning of the episode was that this *was* more of the usual from Blitz, and it was actively tanking the company. When she learned that it was genuine thats when she changed tactics and apologized for not knowing what to do when he got like that.

[@taddad2641]

but, they also established her setting up a boundary too. was presented in a friendly way but it was basically 'yea stop stalking us'.

[@PuddingQueen23]

I find it hard to believe that Millie considers Blitzø her "best friend" when they're more like friendly acquaintances or if we want to be more generous then just friends, not even passing the close mark.

[@Lightmagician60]

i feel like it's a matter of Millie noticing she has been Enabling this behavior. she puts her foot down, only for blitz to have a breakdown (even if influenced) so she backpedals a tiny bit, to apologize for not being as supportive as she could be. as he stance moments ago was more "do whatever you wish to do, while i fix your mess" not realising until now (because Blitz never communicates) that being a mess to be fixed... is his hang up. also the punch card, it's completely possible that the card was for Moxie AND Millie... i could see this card being more for Moxie's cooperation. specially as the holes are made by an actual Hole punch (something Moxie would use) while Millie just uses a knife and is in exchange for something that bothers Moxie much more Millie probably had her reaction to the card, because this was the first time it was being used on her also. i find the card cute, it's clearly written by Blitz. so it was his idea... and the punchcard thing can be Autistic/Neurodivergent coded... not just exploitive

[@LucianELaveris]

I can't form my thoughts narratively at the moment so enjoy bullet points. 1. Millie enjoys Blitz's comedy. 2. She only gets bothered by it when it pushes Moxie too far. 3. The business has been seen to yoyo financially multiple times. With it being most likely Blitz's motivations being what dictates it. 4. Millie comes from a different social strata than the viewership what counts as her boundaries may be entirely different than what yours (& Moxies) are. 5. Given that the I.M.P crew intercepted the Cherubs in "The Full Moon" there may be some counter stalking in play. 6. Millie might be getting some bedroom benefits from when Moxie is worked up (not angry or depressed) and she isn't shying away from her continued attraction/desire for Moxie. 7. Luna and Millie are about the same age with Millie only being about 5 years older. But Millie has everything that Luna desires from life. 8. Luna and Millie antagonize each other in the same fashion that Blitz and Moxie bicker. With Luna being less sensitive than Moxie. 9. Millie starts the show as the character who has completed their journey. Thus acting as the adult in the room for the series. 10. Something, something Darkside! I'm off to go wake up.

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

And yet Blitz openly gives up on trying to 3-way M&M IN the episode, showing growth. And Millie has a close enough friendship with him to then tease him about the stalking, and he teases her right back. For all the hyper-aggression, etc, Millie is a genuinely good person with enough self-reflection to know that she crossed a line by snapping at Blitz the way she did. Not a line imposed by outside mores, but one she imposes on herself, in appreciation for the life Blitz has given her that was greater than anything she imagined for herself.

[@asaknight321]

Helluva boss: makes a grave mistake Sarcastic Chorus: "Obladi Oblada, calamity is coming for you"

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Oh, come on. There are entire channels dedicated to bashing Hazbin and Helluva. If anything, Sarcastic Chorus lets this show get away with a lot of stuff.

[@norsehorse84]

While I do disagree with Chorus on quite a few things about this show, he's not a blind hater like the vast majority of Viv's critics.

[@asaknight321]

@norsehorse84 he's one of the smarter critics I've seen easily, this episode honestly did better than most the episodes this season for me

[@asaknight321]

@@valentinkambushev4968 I'm aware, I'm a fan of him and I find it hysterical how much he critics this show because unlike most he has something to actually say

[@motcroquet8871]

The friendship and respect that Blitzo and Millie have is based on Moxxie's constant torture and mockery. It is clear that Blitzo has no respect for Moxxie as an equal and prefers to treat him like a special child, but what saddens me is that Millie gives free rein to abuse, who for Moxxie is the person he loves most in his life. according to the mistreatment of her husband by her best friend. All the writing is leading to the point that sooner or later Moxxie leaves IMP either because Blitzo gets involved again for not solving the problems he caused or even worse manages to get into his marriage, which for Moxxie is the most valuable thing but for someone As disastrous as Blitzo, he couldn't care less about Moxxie's complaints and the respect of others.

[@VGwritesalot]

Honest question: Can you think of instances of Blitzø mocking Moxxie after Truth Seekers? It was my impression that that behavior had greatly decreased, and Blitzø complimenting him a lot more as well.

[@motcroquet8871]

​@@VGwritesalotWe must take into consideration that what we saw in the agents' chapter only happened inside each person's mind due to the gas and that in reality the one who started the conversation was Moxxie while Blitzo only gave him words of encouragement in response since he thought that they would not escape from that base. In Moxxie's dream he is shown longing to establish a true friendship with his boss, whom he represents as the Phantom of the Opera, so it is clear that he respects him a lot even though his treatment is almost always derogatory, while in Blitzo's nightmare he can visualize He is afraid that Moxxie will also abandon him, but representing him as a poorly drawn joke who talks too much and finally a delicate damsel, it is obvious that he does not have the same respect for him as he does for Millie or Loona. We all hoped that after that chapter they would get along better, but their relationship remained the same until it hit rock bottom in the disastrous camp chapter, where at first we saw Millie doubt that Moxxie is capable of leading a mission, although it is true He failed as he always does, Blitzo only called him out by humiliating him when he also had to do the same with Millie. The relationship that Blitzo and Moxxie have is typical of a bully with his victim who does not want to let go. To top it off, Moxxie has Stockholm and Cassandra syndrome, which is only aggravated because Millie allows her best friend everything to the detriment of her beloved husband.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

Nah. They will probably rewrite this garbage into Moxxie adoring Blitzo as well and probably given how Millie is written they will invite him to a threesome or other garbage like this. I have NO faith in writing of this show at this point.

[@MrGShock]

Blitz is more like an annoying older brother to moxxie plus he has been complimenting him. Blitz doesn't treat Moxxie like shit but he giving him a wife, a career, believe he had a talent for sniping, and trusted moxxie to finish job to assissinate their target ep Campers. Tho its good thing he would stop tryning to stalk them which probably would be awkward and surprising for moxxie later on but it shows Blitz is changing and getting better.

[@redpanda6497]

​​@@VGwritesalotThe beggining of Unhappy campers. Moxxie even stopped calling him Blitz and went back to "sir".

[@bluespectrum1348]

So...your best friend is the guy that doesn't pay you for a month, stalks you and your husband and actively mistreats and treats your husband like crap? Got it lol

[@cpt_micky]

She's from wrath that's probably like throwing wet noodles at each other to her

[@MrGShock]

No for them at this point its normal just hell, we seen worst. Aka Stolas

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

then, if someone sneezes on Moxxie, she flips out on them

[@universalpower419]

​@@MrGShock Oh shut up...

[@maximumoverdrive2676]

It was really just a few lines that didn’t belong, like it would’ve been relatively easy to fix that scene. It should’ve just been Millie explaining that he hasn’t ruined her life, hes done a lot of good for her, he’s just got to think about how his actions affect others like how his spiral caused a lot of financial problems for them. Then Blitz should have acknowledged that he’s already been told that and he wants to start actually improving and he should have apologized to her

[@PopLight459]

Honestly, I wasn't paying attention when the "best friend" line came up and I thought she meant Moxxie, which felt a bit weird but thought "well, makes sense that her husband is also her best friend", but god she meant Blitz? Where??💀💀

[@shylar763]

Millie is fucking awesome, I seriously hope we get a episode that's actually centered about her

[@babelfish311]

I felt like it was more of just a reference to Blitz respecting Millie in terms of respecting how she has dealt with difficult times. That's how I read it, as she was talking about respecting him for going through a hard time and recognising that she expected him to just bounce back. She was getting mad that he hadn't and she realised it hit Blitz harder than she thought, and that there was more under the surface too. So to me it sounded like a reference to maybe something in the past where maybe Millie was going through something, maybe just to the flashback where they met as it's clear she was having it rough and Blitz just welcomed her in, and she has seen Blitz as respecting that. Hope this makes sense😅. Should add tho I don't see Millie snapping as a bad thing either. Patience can run out and she was right to want Blitz to stop taking them off course with his antics and how he was destroying the business. Just at the same time it did also come from a place of not truly taking on how Blitz was not ok and stuff so still also good she apologised.

[@lordskull4382]

Sarcastic Chorus made an entire 14 minute long video about a single line of dialogue from this episode I love this channel so much

In my opinion Millie wasn’t apologizing for calling him out but she’s apologizing for the way she said it

[@ryn3872]

Millie being Blitz’s ride or die bitch first is one of those things that makes sense in retrospect, but yeah it really was not earned. Even one line from her in the first season to the effect of like “Why do we put up with this?” “He’s my best friend! And the reason I xyz.” would have improved the payoff now.

[@AndroidHarris]

Her blind spot is what her the perfect candidate to break blitzø out of his rut. Otherwise blitzø would be right about how he feels about himself at the blitzø hate party.

[@Luxord5294]

Honestly yeah Blitz has, he compliments her abilities all the time even when she isn't there or to her parents, offers her and Moxxie to go for drinks in Ozzies on him with no strings attached, is almost never mean to her beyond office banter that she clearly takes no offense at, trusts her to have his back in the field, etc. Millie clearly doesn't care about the stalking thing, she probably sees it as a quirk of his that she just chuckles and shakes her head at, hell the only time she seems mad at Blitz is when he is treating Moxxie badly. She just has her limits, but she's clearly ride or die for the guy who brought her up from a simple goon.

[@h2okitty478]

It would've made more interesting if millie being all laughs about blitz stalking her and moxie, but in close doors away from blitz, she knows she's annoyed and is putting up with it and actually shows her true feelings towards blitz. Especially, the three way shit. Moxxie expresses it but millie is enduring it cause " that's her boss ". It should've been more interesting if we start from there and then she gets coffee and pretends to be all smiles.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Another video SO fast?! You're the Best

[@GraceWatts-ge7zp]

The line would've been fine if they changed it to "I should have believed in you like you always believe in me". We are shown multiple times throughout the show that Blitzo very much believes that Millie can handle herself. The new line might not be the best given the context, but its better than saying he respects her 100%. She could've also said "I should have helped you like you always help me" which would also convey the same message.

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

Literally what I was thinking. At first Millie had faith that Blitzo using this mission as a form of escapism would pay off, but as they got more caught up in Scooby Doo antics than achieving the objective, her faith started to waver. This didnt seem like the same man who let her throw a knife at him without flinching, who basically strongarmed her into getting over her imposter syndrome. I mean she even acknowledged that she's never seen him be this much of a mess. The only thing she could think to do was default to the version of herself that's not so patient and kind, because maybe it would bring him back to reality. But she later realized that instead of making him understand that he's better than he thinks he is, she accidentally fed into his existing insecurities and self-esteem issues. All of that could easily warrant her saying "I should have believed in you" or "I should have lifted you up at your lowest moment instead of tearing you down"

[@t.dmattocks6119]

​@@KaylaTheKindOneYeah honestly changing the line this way works a lot better.

[@B.l.u.w.i.e]

BOYS WAKE UP, SARCASTIC CHORUS POSTED 💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@Birdsflight44]

He respects her to the best of his capacity, and she sees that. But she gives him too much leeway because she was raised to be a caretaker to the family unit, as per the traditional Country Girl role

[@honaleri]

Millie's tolerance for Blitz is the highest of anyone in the show. So, maybe *she* doesn't see him as disrespectfully as everyone else does. She just genuinely doesn't care the way Moxxie does about the stalking. She just, trusts him and his weird(and illegal) "quirks"? Its Hell, the bar is low for everyone.

[@findekano1981]

That is the problem "THE IS HELL" is a bullshit thing and dosent explain anything

[@t.dmattocks6119]

​@@findekano1981It explains a lot. For example the whole original premise is that they are hitmen who are sent to earth from hell, and every Imp we meet is impressed by this rather than horrified. Murder is fine in hell because evil is fine and even encouraged. Granted, the levels of evil that are acceptable varies from demon to demon and also matter more on an interpersonal level.

[@erikbihari3625]

Least blitz didn't insult milly immediately after complimenting her, like his constantly did with moxie.

[@turtlelongingforchaos9055]

Watching m&m interact with blitz has honestly always felt a little awkward to me. Its like seeing your friend be constantly disrespected by their partner's friends/family and their partner does nothing because "they don't mean anything by it!"

[@belialkott]

11:47 11:48 11:50 I thought someone was knocking on my door but that knocking sound is actually from the video, I've heard it multiple times watching it and it was kinda creepy and annoying. But these are few time stamps I managed to get. One knock each time stamp

[@Auourlia]

4:47 Hello random exorcist on the newspaper

[@tron-a-con3700]

I think what's happening is that he respects her in the sense he is trying to be better, but failing but Millie can see he is TRYING

[@bluefox8011]

In the moment of her saying, " I respect you as much as you respect me" felt like a phantom line as there's no weight so to speak behind that line. Yes he respects her as a good murderer and coworker but, friend? There's no substance, no proof that's even a thing. At least Moxie and Blitz had an episode together that helped them work through their feelings and how Moxie was constantly being put down by his boss because there was proof of Blitz's bad behavior and we as an audience could validate him admitting why he does those things to Moxie. We haven't gotten that from Blitz to Millie yet. Their "heart to heart" just feels like an in the moment thing that Millie admits to just shut him up/get him to focus on the problem at hand.... It's a mess.

[@Vivabyt3]

2:44 This could've created an interesting arc for Millie, because she could've faced a challenge that was too much for her to handle and she'd be humbled as well as question herself

[@jiado6893]

How badly Blitzø does or doesn’t treats Millie, and how unreasonable it is for Millie to put up with him, requires context on how vouyerism and/or open relationships are considered in Hell. Or at least the Rings that Millie has lived in. Moxxie has been demonstrated as being really meek & naive by almost every standard of Hell (kind of like Princess Charlie). The only exception is his love for firearms.

[@jolliapplegirl]

Heres an interesting thing I noticed. The main characteristic of Blitz is his negative view of himself because that is the most upfront thing one can notice. Its like how you always notice how bad something is but have a harder time determining what is good because its within expectation. The same with Blitz. When he messes with people, there is usually a very obvious negative reaction. But if a good thing happens, he treats it as expected. Kinda of like how theres nothing special about being paid for a job but you recall everytime you got stiffed on a payment. The characteristic is 'Blitz doesn't realize how his actions effect people'. The issue is that we the audience and Blitz only pay attention to the negative forms of this cause they are much more noticable. We see the aftermath of this and either laugh at the absurdity or lamment those who suffer. This is what Blitz does too. He either jokes and dismisses the situation or bury the aftermath in his heart as further confirmation of his view of himself. The issue is that while negative outcomes are easily seen, positive ones are nigh invisible. He scarred Fizz for life but gave him the confidence to pursue his dreams as a youth and lead him to meet someone who loves everything about him. He smothers Loona but also makes her feel secure enough to lash out at him without fear of being abandoned. He gave Moxie and Millie a chance to branch out and find each other. These are all things that one wouldn't say out loud. There are no explosions or outbursts that follow these influences so how would anyone be able to tell? Certainly not Blitz, who couldn't take a hint if it was seared into his eyelids and spelled out. It'd have to be said out loud and there's very little reason for anyone in his life to open up like that normally.

[@XDAverylilith]

I kind of feel like Millie’s views are skewed by her upbringing. Because before and even after she met Blitz she thought that imps were mindless muscles incapable of working for themselves, she doesn’t fully realize her own autonomy, that’s why she thinks it’s nothing but a joke when Blitz stalks her and Moxie, and why she says he he “respects her”, because even though he doesn’t respect her boundaries, he does acknowledge her worth as a individual, and that might be the most respect she’s ever gotten from anyone.

[@locosword3985]

The thing with Millie is that I’m pretty sure she doesn’t care about Blitz stalking her and Moxxie but she takes every opportunity to have Blitz not stalk them because she knows Moxxie hates it. Nonetheless doesn’t make it okay on Blitz’s end especially since he knows Moxxie hates it.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Yeah that seems p clear now. I mean, where Millie is coming from, obvs stalking is bad. Wild that some people seem to think we are supposed to think Blitz stalking them isn't a character flaw though.

[@strawberryblossommoon]

Well they gave us something. It's nice but it's not enough. We still need more Millie. And more of her interactions with other characters. If she thinks Blitz is her best friend I'd like to actually see the reason and what their relationship looks like from her perspective.

[@rileyanthony]

Honestly blitz has over time but you can see he does respect her more than any else blitz has known witch says a lot about him when you brake it down

[@cmp312]

Respect? Is she using the twilight zone's definition of that word? Blitz has disrespected her and her husband numerous times. Hell even in THIS very episode. I also loved how she apologized to the guy who didn't pay them for a month, and didnt give a fuc that he didn't. Bankruptcy? Homelessness? Who cares? Once again Blitz's trauma is used as a get out of being an asshole card. Figures. Also best friends? Another twilight zone definition. Because I'm trying to figure out when these two were even friends in the first place much less BEST.

[@sephoramandondo2548]

This, I don’t why the people agruing against his points don’t see this

[@Moghster6969]

lowkey dissagree About "taking everything they worked for", she actualy comforted him about that, with actualy lead to all of what happend in The episode. Her apologise wasn't because she shouldn't Comfort him about that, but rather cuz she wasn't aware of how much trauma he has inside, and if she knew, she would handle this better. Even thought The show didn't give us as much interactions as with for example moxxie, they still had some stuff with suggested that they might be close: Like for best example in that once scene in truth seekers: while threating moxxie like good combat partner and loona like daugher, his conversations with millie were much more "chill" and seemed like they're more goofing around. Also millie flexing her skills kinda shows that she really cares about what he has to say Also what is rare asf, in hmf episode, he actualy truly complemented her and clearly respected her, even among her parents, without any insult or anything. Just straight up complementing her skills (With shows how respectfull he was thowards her) What's more, millie litteratly tried to convince blitz to take her on a mission in weeaboo boo short, because The musical she was watching with mox was soo boring. There's also the brief glimpse of their text history in "Seing Stars" that they're close enough Millie is comfortable asking Blitz advice on sex toys to use with Moxxie.

[@Moghster6969]

​@sephoramandondo2548look at my comments. Then you'll know^^

[@Despoina_Nyx]

I think a way to maybe make it work, is explain the Stalking is maybe at least at the start, Blitz making sure she was okay and was being treated well when she just started going out with Moxie. Make it a bit of his overprotective side. But something that just kinda stuck. Like it might had started with "good intentions" but then kinda became Blitz living his romantic yearning vicariously through them when he saw that they really loved each other. It can still serve as a critique of his actions while maybe making those actions kinda make more sense

[@DoveJS]

I like your idea.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

This is entirely unnecessary and honestly feels kinda lame. Just have him do a bad thing and (if you really must) have him stop and even acknowledge it was wrong. We don't need to sand down the bad things the characters do and give them nice reasons for doing them. They can just do fucked up things. Nobody in IMP is a role model or something and the show has never stated "Stalking is good!"

[@Midorikonokami]

I think it should have said that Millie should have supported him the way because always does her. That has a lot more bases.

[@silversuperfan1412]

Would it be a bad interpretation to say that maybe Millie's line could be seen as, "You always respected us enough to know when something needed to be said and saying it immediately, instead of beating around the bush to appease us. I knew something was wrong and I should've said something and did the same for you as you do for us instead of leaving you to deal with it alone." Like, we know Blitz does, or at least did, with Moxxie cause of Moxxie's story in truth seekers, and with Blitz always supporting Loona and then Fizz, and now Millie's story where she was supported when she clearly needed it, it's a repeated behavior that came naturally to him to support them when they needed it with no hesitation. And in this episode, Millie left him to stir with his feelings alone for a month, despite knowing something was wrong and it lead to it spiraling so far that it lead to Blitz acting like how he was in the episode, which in turn, made Millie snap at Blitz for the behavior. Maybe that could be a way of interpreting that line.

[@Wajaworld]

I personally saw Millie’s role as showing blitzø who he could become, that despite her being literally and emotionally being beat up, she accepts who she is and takes it in stride. As hopefully he will do 😊

[@kcool3023]

10:12 I don't think Millie knows what respect vs. disrespect looks like. We see her fawn all the time. It's possible she shrugs off actions and focuses on intentions to please Blitz and avoid conflict. I don't think it's fair to take this line as a message from the writers, but it's a character flaw of Millie. Which brings me to equating it to the lesson he just learned: Millie wasn't there. Growth isn't linear. Millie may be a detriment to Blitz' growth due to her enabling behavior. Or it is an error on the writer's behalf, that could be very possible and I may just be reading into things too much.

[@thefool7093]

I feel like Blitzø respect everyone but has a weird/bad/his own way of showing it.

[@Notyouraveragename]

It might be humorous but seeing Blitzo's antics unfold at the same time of Dragoneer's death and Johnny Somali's arrest and the 1 year rise of Kick "nuisance/outrage streamers" (Those who intentionally commit offensive acts like spilling food in restaurants, stealing food and dogs and pets live with recording and often meeting with police irl) next to Blitz and Deadpool and bojack is kinda a thing. I think some people have a fair point to point out, Blitz as a character is written with trauma, kick as a streaming service is written with assholery for views in mind. Maybe some of them don't have fathers, maybe some of them walked away from their children, maybe some point out that the poorly raised kids 'tried to be quiet' on kick but then notice outrage streaming 'got more views', but that line about 'all publicity is good publicity" kinda screams out that their views are often hate views. When you're positive, people might be quiet but cheer for you. When you're destructive, you roll the dice on if people laugh and watch you with glee or watch for your destruction. Blitzo is a virtual character often portrayed as flawed in show but unflawed by audience, many are young, he's impulsive, reckless, does what he wants, and many people seem to enjoy acting like that or acting out fantasies in their head through a fictional character, in a parasocial kind of way. But with Kick, i think one of the major things with Blitz is he's never really had someone treat him the same way he does others, at most he's sternly worded, which is interpreted by many of his fans as too much. Meanwhile on kick, those who have fires tossed at them, no matter how peaceful, get fed up. Johnny Somali pokes peaceful people to the point they explode, on purpose, to the point even normally same people have started leaving honestly unhinged comments like "Johhny i hope your organs go missing at night" "johnny we know where you live" "Johnny we hope you meet the Yakuza at 3 am". Blitzo is implied to get away by hurling cheese baskets at people he sent to the afterlife, who all quickly forgive him for cheese in rather npc like ways in a npc like universe. Johnny Somali has people wishing he'd poof out of the country after twerking on 'comfort victims' statues. it's the same shit, different wrapper, but the real life reaction is life and day. Right now, Johnny Somali of all people has made a chatgpt "I sincerely apologize for my actions and did not mean to offend, i want to reform and grow to be a better person, and i still have much growing to do" before blitz. And animation and plot is expensive and takes time. But it kinda points out some hypocrisy that Johnny Somali is intentionally saying he acts poorly for a reaction, and has previously given insincere apologies as he had with Japan, only to go to another country and stick out his tongue, flip the middle finger, and post pictures of nagasaki's bombing with L symbols and eye rolls. Blitz for what it's worth, doesn't seem to give fake apologies, he just screams in people ears, but his 'love' is obsessive, and possessive, and potentially problematic, not nurturing and caring like Fizz/ozzie. He acts normal with fizz and ozzie and his workers relatively, he just explodes for some reason, and uses father issues to justify asshole to everyone issues.

[@sebastianbarbotik2380]

Milie never really showed distaste for the Stalking. It was only Moxxie. Millie always had a smile on her face.

[@kingstewy]

Finally, someone who gets it! Millie wants the three-way. There are even hints Moxxie thinks Blitzø is attractive. Do these idiotic commenters even watch the show?

[@kingstewy]

KZbin is blocking my comment that stated thank Satan you actually pay attention to the show because I called the commenters here the "I" word. Millie several times admits she approves of the stalking. Moxxie hints several times he finds Blitzø attractive. It's a known theory Blitzø is part succubus. PLUS! THERE'RE IN HELL. I can't with this Fandom sometimes.

[@BirdWord03]

@@kingstewy 1. Millie approving of the stalking when her husband doesn't plus with it being a very invasive and disrespectful thing to do to your own WORKERS isn't ok. 2. Moxxie finding Blitz attractive does not and should not overshadow him being uncomfortable with Blitz's stalking. 3. Whether or not it comes out Blitz is part succubus, it will never excuse him being creepy towards his employees. 4. I will never understand why so many of you still use the "They're in Hell" excuse. Like it's been 5 years... we know they're in Hell. That doesn't mean the show is free from criticism on how it decides to handle and showcase topics and behaviors from the characters

[@taddad2641]

considering what she said at the end, she tolerated the stalking but would prefer it to stop. she was being friendly but she was setting up a boundary.

[@kingstewy]

@taddad2641 That's not what she said at all. That's not what you say when you want something to stop. You don't chortle on how "schtoopable" your husband is and bask in a moment of friendship. You people are dense. And, don't watch the show if you are unhappy with it's main character.

[@Savicurlly]

I think you're honestly looking at this like it should be a "redemption" arc, when Helluva Boss has always been very grounded in what's realistic while mixing in the obviously fantastic. Millie actively doesn't need depth, she is the same character after this episode as she has been in every other episode, and there's so much more people don't talk about that we've learned about Millie that are actually important rather than what her definition of respect is. In reality, people do not just "learn the lesson." People don't realistically come to conclusions without going through a lot of bull, and when you're friends with someone you're always going to give them the benefit of the doubt and work with them. This is why so many people associate with problematic others, they have their reasons and it's not always a reason we other individuals outside of that interaction can connect with. Like... The goal was to show that yes Blitz's actions have consequences, and he needs to care about those consequences as well as recognize when he's doing something wrong. Pushing to just be allowed to cope the way you want to is something a lot of mentally damaged people do, and it's hard to change someone's mind by just telling them as much. You gotta connect with them. Millie connects with Blitz, that's why he's able to reflect at all. He still hasn't moved passed things. He's still going to mess up. Same with Loona, a girl who doesn't know how to feel comfortable with positive or negative affection, instead being as candid and cagey as possible. I think if you want to go into things, you have to broaden your tastes, or at the very least admit that you aren't taking the subtext into consideration. There is no real contradiction. Nothing bad that happens is "supposed" to be funny, it just is in the same way a baby falling off a swing is funny. Characters are always going to have their moments, but that doesn't automatically change who they are. Just like people. Growth is a lot more messy, real growth at least. I mean, where most characters get entire arcs in other series, we aren't going to get that in Helluva. If that's what you're waiting for, I think you're not watching the show for what it is.

[@GiulianaBruna]

With comedy shows I think there are two kind of situations, ones that are just jokes with not real impact and ones we are mean to take seriously and have real consequences. Some shows are always over the top so that distinction is not clear. The problem in this show, to me, is that then they expect you to believe this dramatic moments as if the build up was consistent.

[@JamesRT1291]

6:20 WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! Brother do you watch Dropout?

[@koalabearkhan145]

I think for Blitzo having a “best friend” like Millie is as good as it’s gonna get so far 😅

[@Tomha]

Mm Millie implied that she's in on it so I'd say yeah. The fact she teasingly asks if that this meant Blitz won't try being the couples third implies she wasn't against that possibility if Blitz could get Moxxie into it.

[@ifeellikeajoey]

Millie's perception of a best friend is flawed. I'm starting to athink that she never really had any friends in the Wrath ring. She didn't have friends to visit in that one episode where she is back home. She only has a family she interacts with and she has a high kill count to. I don't think she was able to form any relationships with anyone outside her family because it's a doggy eat doggy ring. Imps constantly slaughtered each and had reputations to keep up meaning friendships in the wrath ring are nonexistent or few. In that flashback she is not the Millie we know. Very jaded and untrusting. The very person she finds to put her trust in gives her everything she has now and she is so grateful for that. So l don't know. She doesn't have a lot of friends even when moving rings. She sees this guy who has welcomed her into his crew and he is strong and is the boss who gets things done. So she trusts him even more. Maybe she's like oh let me let all the things he does slide because l owe what l have to him. He's also funny to and pushing our business. Maybe that's how folks from the greed ring usually act. I don't think she has had any practice of putting up solid boundaries or how friendships work. She is a badass but l think the thing that Millie needs to work on is stop enabling Blitz, set up boundaries and stand up for her husband. She is pretty confident in herself but she lets this guy do the worst of things not really taking others into consideration. She focuses on the positive too much. She is absolutely carefree and here to have fun while doing her job. She needs to realize that it's not okay what Blitz does. I think she is the perfect person to really sit Blitz down and call him out as the others agree with her. And then maybe then Blitz will finally properly start getting better with positive support with boundaries unlike the unconditional one he's getting. Change takes time and won't be instantaneous but l believe he truly needs external help to actually get where he wants to be. I dunno. I'm just spit balling.

[@sandrabaulch]

Maybe calling Blitz her best friend is meant to be sad in that Millie has always had WORSE friends prior to meeting them.

[@badumba5511]

They projecting too much on Blitzo now, everything is about him and they don't bother a lot with everyone else, Millie especially.

[@vianem1565]

Unironically Millie respects blitz more than her husband ever and its...sad and petty.

[@ivymarimo1631]

The story doesn't know what it's doing anymore

[@kierabt224]

There was a line at the very end where Millie says to blitz so you're not going to be our third anymore and then blitz says not anymore That might mean that he understands that what he's doing is shall we say uncomfortable like you said?

[@shylar763]

I'd say Blitzø probably respects Millie the most outta his workers (except Loona) but he still does a lot of disrespectful things, it's just Millie has so much respect for him she just puts up with it

[@adabronikova2949]

I dont think that millie amd blitz being best friends was at all needed. To ground him and bring him back to reality they couldve showed how she believes in him, even if theyre not close or trslect each other. This reminds me of brandon rogers's writng style, where characters can develop within seconds. It wholesome and emotional but undeserved in most of his series'

[@BoredPanda-z5g]

I’m so tired of people thinking that “this character said something untrue” meaning “the author is saying it’s true.” The characters are messy. That’s the POINT. They’re not fully aware of situation because they aren’t analyzing themselves.

[@Necroes]

Respect is a difficult concept to quantify. For one thing, what constitutes 'respect' varies not only at a social level, but in many cases at a personal level. For someone like Moxxie, who comes from a Very rural background, 'respect' could be the equivalent of what most other people call trust; As long as you listen to what she says, trust that she knows how to do what she says she knows how to do, and give her the space to do it, to her mind you've shown you respect her. More elaborate aspects of respect only come into play between close, personal relationships, like family. By contrast, Blitz grew up in a circus. His entire life was on open display, and the concept of privacy was likely nearly foreign to him. For him, respect is probably a mix of fear and awe. He respects Millie because she can wreck him, and has the force of will to not only establish, but enforce her boundaries. Moxxie... Well, he could probably off Blitz if he wanted to, but he acts like someone who's afraid of Blitz if push comes to shove so that's how Blitz treats him. There's also the fact that they're both imps who were born, raised, and live in Hell. Their standards for respect, both social and personal, are likely going to be Very different than human standards. People bring up how Millie tolerates Blitz interacting with Moxxie; Yea, he's out of line, and Mox isn't okay with it. However, this episode establishes that Millie met-and hooked up with-Moxxie after she started working for Blitz, and that Blitz and Moxxie were already working together first. It's entirely possible, though we've not seen it, that Millie just letting those two interact how they do is a result of a consistent status-quo from before the relationship started. That's how they were when Millie entered the picture, and that's how they remain. It's even possible-I'd say likely-that Millie and Moxxie have discussed it off-camera, and Moxxie probably said something like "I can handle him myself," or "that's just how Blitz is, it's fine." From there, Millie accepted that and out of respect for Moxxie hasn't challenged it. Does Blitz respect Moxxie? By the standards both of them would consider respect, yes.

[@MoRPho151]

I buy your explanation. Good points there.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Really good point about this likely being the status que Millie is used to.

[@scarletrain6757]

I feel like respect is different in hell, like we see respect a specific way because we all are on the same level and to me respect means seeing others as themselves and recognize that we are equal, (that’s just my way of seeing if there can be other types of respect) but in hell there is a literal class in race, imps being closer to the bottom and like she said “seen only as the muscle” I think a little thing as treating Millie as a person and not a nameless underpaid goon means a lot to her. Also in Ozzie’s at the beginning Blitz invited M&M out for drinks and even says he’ll pay. They turned him down but the fact that he even offered I think shows that he sees them more then just his employees and does more then what most bosses in hell would ever even consider.

[@LavenderTea-lr3hc]

i feel like im actually going insane with how many comments here start with "i feel"

[@ss-cp2uy]

@@LavenderTea-lr3hc that phrase in this scenario is an attempt to lessen the aggressiveness of disagreeing with someone, it doesn't mean what they state is just a "feeling".

[@iceluvndiva21]

I JUST REALIZED HOW VISUALLY SIMILAR MILLIE AND TILLA ARE IN THEIR FACE AND TOP OF THE HAIR! OK, this is way more fair than I thought. Though like MANY reviews I get for some shows I get into? I think a few things are overtly critized while others aren't done enough. Yeah, we get on stolas & blitz A LOT for their shit but that tends to let us see how they unintendtionally affect others for good or bad. Stolas is seeing how he royaly fucked up so badly and that's good. But blitz needs to see and hear how he did do good things too. Yes, he DESPERATELY needs to change as dose stolas. But that can only happen when you're hit rock bottom MULTIPLE TIMES. I know from painful experience. So Millie being someone who can be that level of OK, this is the line and I'm not letting you Cross it, is important. This has a tendancy to make her the mom member of the team. She's the doting wife who kills for her man and loves unconditonally. She harshly critics her "Kids" to get them to do better and dream big. Millie has been saddled with the role of being this perfect person in combat and relationships that we put a parent on. Heck for the longest time? I did that with my dad and sisters

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I could see their relationship as being respectful from a certain point of view. Both definitely respect each other’s fighting ability. Blitz respects Millie enough to not steal her husband, that’s more than he respects Stella. The voyeurism definitely isn’t respectful but considering how much Blitz has lost there might be an element of him being afraid that if he loses sight of them for too long they’ll disappear or just being happy to be around them. We can infer he does give them privacy when things get steamy because he has to ask if Millie pegs Moxxie instead of him already knowing this information, unless the point was to check whether the truth serum was actually effective using something Blitz already knew. Anyway I think Blitz respects Millie more than he respects anyone else in the show, which might not be saying much.

[@xcarnage3936]

Pretty sure he's always respected her. He's just not gonna be as much of a pervert when it comes to peeping on her and moxxie's lovemaking. 😂

[@Seth8754]

Im frustrated with how they do Millie , sure she has healthy family ties but that doesnt mean you gotta write her to ALWAYS support and help other 3 and suprisingly moxxie isnt very observant of this given how she is literally his wife yet he doesnt talk about it because he isnt even aware of the problem ! Moxxie used to be one of my favs but he is just becoming more and more childish and whiny (that camp episode) meanwhile Millie's maturity and patience is becoming more appearant around these manchild , adult woman still acting like a teenager and the depressed insecure man who thinks everyone hates him. She needs a break fr.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

REAL

[@althealee9375]

When Millie said Blitz is her best friend I literally thought “wouldn’t that be Moxxie?”

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Moxxie is her husband. I know people say "your spouse should be like your best friend" or w/e but that's not neccesarilly how everyone talks about or categorizes things. Obvs Mox is her best friend, but that goes without saying, Blitz is her best bro. Her best friend that is JUST her friend. He isn't her love but they are best buds you know?

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

Basically this series does EXACTLY WHAT BOJACK HORSEMAN SHOW CRITICIZES! It excuses awful behavior because the MC is some sad, traumatized person when it's not how it works. YOU CANNOT KEEP DOING THIS! YOU NEED TO BE BETTER! And I hate that this show does that because Viv said herself that she is inspired by Bojack and apparently she wants to make Stella like Beatrice and that is ASININE given how she portrayed her up until now and how she wrote this entire show! She takes exactly the wrong lessons from Bojack. In fact. I feel like she is one of the people who believes in Bojack's excuses. And the worst part is that this gives awful people who watch this some kind of solace, reaffirmation that whatever awful things they do can be excused because of their past. No. That wont happen. You are responsible for your own misery so BE BETTER. Crying yourself to sleep is not changing. It's self pity. Ugh... I'm sorry for this rant, but this severely pisses me off in this show. Seriously. The only time Blitzo seems to be allowed to be in any way held accountable is with Stolas who is even more of a Writer's pet and if what is apparently said on Viv's streams too he will be pretty much MC of Season 3 so it goddamn tracks. Goddamn I am done with this show.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I don't believe Viv really understands the core message of Bojack Horseman. She gets the melodrama and the angst, but she doesn't really understand that the shitty actions characters do don't exist in a vacuum. If Bojack does something shitty in one episode, it will come back to bite him later. Many of Blitzo's shitty actions have just been excused or written off as black comedy, namely how he mistreats Moxxie. Like we're meant to think Blitzo and Millie have this deep friendship when it barely exists outside of this one episode. This is the first time she's called him out and in every previous situation of Blitzo being shitty (especially to Moxxie), Millie has just let it happen. In a better written show Millie would have called Blitzo out meaningfully for the way he mistreats Moxxie, her husband (and she'd have been more proactive in expressing how it does bother her at the time, even if she doesn't say it out loud), and he would have been forced to acknowledge that she's done taking his shit. So it feels hypocritical for her to get pissy now when she just let it slide all the other times.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

@@PlanetZoidstar It's even worse with the victims of their assassinations that we see ARE in Hell, but don't bother in getting after them when it should be MAJOR part of the show as well. But no. The only consequences that matter is if Sad Owl is sad and the will they/wont they of Stolitz. Jesus Christ on a stick. This show is frustrating.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@AzraelSoulHunter Exactly. The writers want to paint Striker, Stella and Crimson for wanting the protagonists dead... ...But I.M.P having a murder-for-hire business is meant to be wacky, silly, black comedy. The villains are only villains as far as the narrative goes because they oppose the protagonists. Not because they are morally worse than them. Every single Human that has died due to I.M.P's actions is on Stolas for giving them the means to carry out their business. Stella has not killed a single person.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

@@PlanetZoidstar Doesn't help that all the villains you mentioned are written terribly. So much wasted potential. This show is pretty much our "Becker". It has all the right pieces, but it can NEVER put them together partially probably because the creators either don't care or think they are in right places. And it bums me out because these people COULD by all means make something great, but they don't seem to realize they need to be better because everyone praises them either way and raffirms that they don't need to change which is sad honestly. I still make my own work in HB, but I do not care to watch this show anymore. Hell I did not watch this recent episode and from what I hear. It was a good decision. I will just keep writing my own work and I wont be bothered by whatever this show tries to do. It's not for me at this point and I don't care for it's story.

[@redpanda6497]

​@@AzraelSoulHunter You're right about the villains. I like the idea of them, but their dialogues and everything sounds like something an inexperienced writer would write.

[@Singingshadowgirl]

I would really like elaboration on their relationship + Mox that isn't just a side gag. Like a genuine look on it and how Millie feels about it. It could really give us an interesting look at Millie and wether this is because of her love of Blitz as well, or if it's something she's genuinely into, or something she's okay with because she thinks Moxie would like or- just something. I just really want to know what's going on in her head when Blitz is out here like, "But your HUSBAND tho."

[@look-at-this-goofy-ahh-rat]

I feel like the only time i've seen him genuinely treating her like a best friend is in any fights they're in together. Especially the Truth Seekers fight, where's they're just casually having a chat and he's offering any help, like a lighter weapon and water, and she doesn't get annoyed that he's trying to talk in a fight, it's just so casual and almost dystopian for what we've seen from his character.

[@Moghster6969]

Would say There is few more examples

[@Artistic_Stingray]

while i do like the friendship that this episode gives blitz and millie this would have been more impactful if you know they had established this before....at all, i don´t theres many instances where you can clearly see them being friends so it just dosen´t feel as impactful

[@jessicawest8944]

So she’s like a chill mom and blitz the the toddler 😂😂

[@sampds]

I was also giving side eye with this line- actually, the entire apology. This may be just me, but I hated the fact that Millie apologized to Blitzo. He deserved to be called out, it has been a month, and no idea how serious I should take the money thing- but it is definitely a lot. Hell, all things consider I feel Millie was being more patient that anyone else I had met would had been. To not say that contrasting this with Blitzo no apologizing over what he has done- I am not afraid for Stolas turn. For awhile, I had been believing we were going to have the story grilling Blitzo first, then Stolas; but considering we just came from those episodes and Blitzo is doing this- I am not sure how well that will go. I get that changing isn't easy, and having setbacks makes sense, but this isn't that. At no point in this episode I felt Blitzo realized he is doing the same mistakes he did to his exes and needed to get better. The fact that the show decides to have jokes that later turn out to be serious things is also making me unsure on what should or should not take seriously. Should I take seriously that Blitzo wasted all their money? Is it time to call out Blitzo for stalking and such to the MnMs? I don't know. Fuck I miss when this show was a comedy, honestly I miss when Stolas and Blitzo were two assholes with a transactional fucking with possibly something more underneath.

[@shadowembers]

Just so you're aware after watching the last episode and immediately hearing your voice I thought the voice actor of Blitz was talking because you do sound a lot like him in your vocals.

[@vyxxi2329]

It’s like Helluva Boss is too scared to get and stay emotional.

[@animegirlhaven]

Blitzo does care, but he feels will overcome his fears because he makes her mistakes make you stronger