Has Games Workshop Gone Mad With Legions Imperialis??

[@MrLynchInRealLife]

I love LI. I think it's genuinely cool from a modelling perspective It's worth highlighting, not critiquing, that you talk in videos about people being obsessed with the health of their game/system... then make a video all about 'how is this game still a thing' and 'how long could it last'. All fair topics and interesting to hear you discuss.

[@allenkorncantrell2188]

LI is great, you can’t have huge battles like it in 40k. Love it and hope they continue it for years to come, maybe even expanding into the 40k realm!

[@matthewstone1362]

Unification wars!! Crusades!!!😮

[@MasterShake9000]

Tin Foil Hat: Aeronautica and Titanicus were basically in-house kickstarters to “fund” the development of the flyer and Titan kits and seed a gaming base to reduce the cost and risk on Epic itself. Sadly also why they made it a 30k setting. I’m guessing the heresy fanbase felt like a safer bet than counting on general 40k fans going in on a different scale version of their game. Not to mention if they’re able to quasi recycle 30k CAD designs to make as much of the epic kits as possible, that might effectively reduce the design costs too.

[@jamesespinosa690]

My feelings suggest to me they went with 30k for 2 main reasons. 1.They wanted to introduce the Dark Mech at a scale where they wouldn't have to make MASSIVE kits. 2.They wanted to pay homage to the Origin of The Horus Heresy. Back in the day, when they fist made Adeptus Titanicus, they needed to come up with a reason for titans to fight against titans. They came up with The Horus Heresy in the distant past, and bada bing bada boom, a legacy was born.

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

A decent amount of kits would be compatible with a 40k epic, i could see them going back and doing a great crusade thing first to bring in Orks and Eldar then releasing the 40k infantry kits.

[@OldenDemon]

Great timing, i just played a game this weekend and was scripting a video on this exact subject

[@Weed_Ghost]

Awesome, your video on LI really increased my interest in the whole thing, very excited for the Mechanicum release!

[@margaretwood152]

🤔💬 0:00 SHORT ANSWER: NO (One Cares) (3:03 Check out the L.I. 30K Armies people are 3D Printing out *_Faster_* than you can *_Assemble_* GW L.I. 30K Models.......Brrrr... )

[@davidwasilewski]

I’ve sold all my 40k stuff (thousands of pounds worth, collected over decades) and spent the lot on Legions Imperialis. It’s the only Games Workshop game I play now, alongside Warmaster (10mm fantasy, set in the Old World). They’ll can the game I’m sure, in a few years, but I’ve got everything I need and with 3D printing I’m set for life! As for the cost of the game - yes it’s expensive but It’s not really any more than collecting big armies to be able to play big games of 40k, 30k or Old World? It’s big in my group. Everyone has bought tons of stuff for it. I play 6mm historicals too.

[@supermarx]

I think there's more chance they expand it into 40k rather than canning it. But either way it's a long way down the pipeline.

[@davidwasilewski]

@ agreed. It would be awesome if they expanded into doing xenos and ‘proper’ chaos. Like old school epic.

[@ryancarrell3186]

I kinda hope we get something like an Imperator before it gets canned, at least. I want a walking church!

[@JulioLenin88]

Lucky you who has a group to play with. Even when I live in my country's biggest city, there's no one playing this game.

[@andydunn3835]

10mm is life

[@ghostmutton]

My disappointment in niche products is directly related to how expensive it is. If I bought like $200-300 of stuff and then found out there's no one to play with, I'd be pissed. But buying a Bushido warband for $50 just to paint them is fine by me. That's why so many people ask "how is this game doing?"

[@Anchises]

Epic Armageddon uses far fewer models than LI, and they're smaller too. A fairly straight reboot of EA would have been much easier to collect and play.

[@Mittens_Gaming]

I play Warhammer and historicals. With historicals it's very common to build two armies to fight one another as with scales and game systems and such, it's hard to always find someone to play against, if you don't have both sides to the conflict. With LI i built two armies, and find folks are very willing to play if you have an army for them to use, and many want to get their own after a few games.

[@Anchises]

@@Mittens_Gaming Problem is that LI is hugely expensive compared to e.g. Bolt Action

[@malcolmcurrie7542]

How bout buying $200-300 worth of product, then finding out that's a quarter of your army?

[@OldenDemon]

To answer the garbage time question, i'm quite happy with Legions but I have roped in a few others who collect it too, if I hadn't it would likely be dead to me

[@HB2K-h8m]

One of my in local GW stores went all in on LI, hosting how to play sessions (including a fun rhino run game for kids on the weekend) and stocking the boxes. The other completely ignored that pre Xmas launch and only stocks the core box. You do wonder how invested GW are long term, even if the releases come thick and fast

[@Dr_Disintegrator]

"A little nuts" a quote applicable to most GW product prices.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Price of entry is definitely high

[@Sliceoflife909]

LI models are great and the gameplay is fun, they really did need to flesh out the range for it to have a chance at success. People forget it took a long time for them to release basic units like the Predator's outside of the starter box, which led to this massive release waves this year. There is a ton of vitrol towards LI releases right now because other game systems are lacking in releases and past experience's with GW killing off niche games. It's understandable, but I don't think there would be such an investment in Legions Imperialis and the Horus Heresy to kill it off anytime soon.

[@jwheatca]

Interesting insight … I’ve got a few friends who went hard into LI. Biggest challenge early on was sourcing product. Things were sold out for so long.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

It did stall the game out of the gate pretty hard

[@EricOdinson]

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

[@danielkochis5133]

I guess I was one of those guys who had a hard on for Horus heresy. I joined HH with 2.0, but what kept me from jumping on board the LI train was when I realized that I already had a game at that scale that I don’t play… BattleTech.

[@omgponies111]

As a 40k player I found LI confusing since they name the kit the same as HH. I almost bought the LI Solar Auxilia Battle Group once because I fought it was the HH one.

[@rogeroverstreet3919]

Well, GW must be thinking of me, because Legions Imperialis is the only money they get from me, well, until Mantic's Epic Warpath comes out next year lol.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Tiny tiny soldiers!

[@WaltzActual]

I love the scale of the minis, even if I never got to play I want to collect some

[@redsven7624]

I was keen on it, thought the start box was pretty poor. Then saw multi-part 8 mm marines and decided I could do something more fun that build them, like use a sand blaster to shower

[@-Markus-]

They are two pieces, calling them ”multi” is a stretch. But they could just as well have been single mold.

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

Printer goes brrrrr

[@redsven7624]

@NapoleonicWargaming nah, it's another game I don't need. Also I am hearing as a game it has some fundamental issues, so bullet dodged

[@patrikandersson8054]

I love the epic scale, and I am glad it's back, but the prices are insane. I have bought two warhound titans, and 3D printed everything else.

[@taloskane]

I don't play Imperialis, but I do love listening to Garbage Time

[@captainferrite]

And then there's Armoured Clash and Epic Warpath, which both put like 10 different units on one sprue and you just buy 20 sprues and you have everything. And 2000 pts costs as much as 12 Imperialis drop pods.

[@volcano3493]

Here is GW´s thought process: Nottingham suit: "We will feature again different kinds of tabletop wargames EVEN if they are not profitable." Naive intern: "But why?" Nottingham suit: "To kill other companies which only have a single system in their portfolio. Then every pay pi... ähm hobbyist is forced to remain in our GW bubble." -Manic laughter ensues- Well, I was on the fence of starting Dropzone Commander. Then there came the rumours of Epic coming back. Guess what kind of army is now sitting in my glass cabinet?

[@AAhmou]

So which faction ? Betting UCM most likely.

[@The_Captain40k]

The comparison between LI and TOW is so true and so frustrating. The only explanation I can think of is that they saved a tonne on design cost because they already had the CAD files from age of darkness so decided to double dip.

[@neal9151]

Absolutely love LI. My gripes would be the models are sometimes too complex and take an age to put together. But that is minor. The setting is gold and the rules allow for a lot of fun, and importantly having a big epic army just looks phenomenal. I would guess they have released so much recently is they had it all planned up to a point but then had to condense it into a shorter time frame due to the initial release being delayed then so much out of stock for ages.

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

I got the mech box and starting to build the transports first as some of the Automata have a few to many parts, putting them off as long as possible.

[@Anchises]

If they had stuck with classic epic scale they could have made the models one piece and a lot less expensive.

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

@@Anchises Honestly allot of the models could have been made in less pieces. Modern gw is way to cut happy.

[@Anchises]

@@tragicthegarnering3619 they're desperate to make every model look great in photos rather than making them functional and user friendly. The new LI Mechanicum models look absolutely awful to play with.

[@jarrettevans1353]

@@Anchisesbut not as cool. Never want one piece models ever ever again lol

[@angelicdespot2735]

Hey! I may not be playing this game (yet - I don't have time to play many games at all), but I'm sure as heck collecting armies for this like a madman! Obviously this is a niche game, and I suspect its window of support may be limited, which would be a real shame because there are things you can do when gaming at this scale that you just can't in 28-32mm. The delayed / botched release just prior to the relaunch of the Old World sadly got this game off to a bad start - had it begun with more momentum, I think it would be doing better now. And the releases since then have also been a bit odd, in the sense that some really core units weren't release for a long time. I hope the Martian / Dark Mechanicum stuff won't have come too late to attract renewed interest in the game. It's the first release which really does something new.

[@semajnollissor661]

As a fan of Epic: Armageddon but not a fan of the Horus Heresy, I have mixed feelings about Legions Imperialis. I like the models and collect them, but the game setting leaves me cold, and the game play seems less strategic than Epic Armageddon is. That being said, I don't think that Legions Imperialis is any more inexplicable than any of GW's other specialist games. It certainly makes more sense to me than Aeronautica ever did. And as far as I'm concern, LI makes more sense than Necromunda does. The weirdest thing about what GW has done with LI is that there really aren't any resin models for it (other than the hold overs from Aeronautica and Titanicus). That suggests to me that manufacturing plastic models has reached a price point where GW can just make whatever they want in plastic.

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

I use the minis to play epicAu heresy

[@vaderkoshpaints]

I’m just happy Legions Imperialis has been made and I have a collection. They could end production tomorrow and I’ll still have toys and rules to play with.

[@uwesca6263]

@@vaderkoshpaints too many people have the mindset that as soon as they stop selling stuff you are not allowed to play or enjoy the hobby anymore. It good that you think otherwise.

[@Pacific81x]

For lastability of the game, old Epic (NetEpic & Armageddon) lasted for 20yrs+ with no official support, instead had a fairly sizeable community that kept them alive. In the UK there is a regular Armageddon community that is still playing 5-6 solidly attended events a year. I think the key for Legions is how much fun people have playing the game. I think the Tallarn book showed the design team is taking commentary onboard with some improvements to the objective system. The new book improves the way Titans can be used, which was another common criticism. So hopefully it's not just two guys in a bunker with all outside comms cut off, and the game will continue in this manner (almost as Adeptus Titanicus did actually, where the game improved over the years)

[@georgeaitken2719]

This is how epic 40k started the original core set was called space marine and just had space marines rhinos and land raiders set during the Horus heresy it gradually morphed into epic 40k when they introduced orks and eldar

[@Maximus_Vulpes]

I like the game, I like the scale, the minis and the setting. I really hope it will sell enough to see it extended to the great crusade era, so we will have xenos. I think the rules could have been better designed, but it's still a ton on fun, and beautiful on a gaming table. Epic was as dead in my area, now we have a bunch of players. How is it in your shop, do you still sell some boxes from time to time or do the box take dust in a corner? I agree with you, it's kind of crazy the amount of stuff they have made for this game, which is a side, side, game.

[@rockweiler777]

I like playing stuff, especially when it's awesome. Popularity grows with play.

[@HB2K-h8m]

Getting enough buildings/terrain on the table to actually play a game without a second mortgage is a serious challenge, never mind the armies. I love the new mechanicus terrain but I'm not dropping almost £100 on a single box of that stuff. The big force boxes are cool, was a bit confused why you were suggesting they don't exist?

[@andrewcook3983]

When GW decided to do weekly releases, rather than monthly or fortnightly (that's every two weeks, for those not in the know), they needed to fill those slots with something.... Even with the return of The Old World, and both flavours of HH, GW still has issues maintaining that throughput, having to resort to "Print On Demand"s. Hell, last week's pre-order was a single collectors' edition Black Library book. Are we going to get a predictions video of what you guys might expect GW to produce in 2025? My main thought is HH: BFG.

[@nicholashurst780]

Was just talking to a friend back in the states who signed up to buy all the Knight Models STLs from the company's crowd funfding campaign

[@jamess405]

The Sicaran kit is probably my least favourite for how useful it is

[@johnwalton287]

My mates play using 7.5 Ed HH with these models, real apocalypse style

[@MrZippidydoodahh]

I've been tempted by legions and have a friend I could drag in. But if i want the experience of expensive kits I lovingly worked on getting picked up in the first round, I can just play 40k.

[@pug1184]

I always thought that the 2nd Edition of Aeronautica, felt like a belated response to x-wing.

[@billybobbobbington3097]

Ive played epic Armageddon for years at home and at tournaments. I was hyped for LI coming out but the penny pinching of having to buy multiple books just to have the options to play a single faction totally killed it for me. That and the bloody prices for the kits on top of that...

[@bradp6452]

I got the rulebook mainly to compare with older epics.

[@JeffG-n8p]

I’m definitely happy they brought back old world. Never thought I’d see the day. You say GW is on top and not going away? How will 3 d printing affect them later on ? Will it affect you guys too ? As always. Good show !

[@CyrodiilCome]

I believe in you parabellum! Only you can save us from the evils of James!

[@astreick]

Maybe I am wrong, but it feels like GW is going after their competition hard especially at the games that are actually hurting them. Infinity has a strong presence on its own, and GW revamped Kill Team to not mess around in competing against infinity, they even made the game in a similar hard competitive style with a lot of a learning curve to really complete for the same type of players. Battletech has also been growing and definitely stealing GW customers and sales, and Legions Imperialis is totally a competitor to Battletech, and I would argue even a similar crowd or type of player as well. Maybe there are other examples of this, but it feels to me a bit too obvious that they are putting more effort into two games that have strong competitors at this moment.

[@JohanVek]

We all now the Old World dudes beat you up.

[@caseyanders1601]

I’m very happy they made LI. The model range is really cool and detailed given the scale. But, yes, it’s kind of limited. They could release an ork range and an Eldar range because they’re in the Heresy, but I have a feeling they’ll wait for Epic. Once they release everything, they need to immediately pivot into 40k Epic and BFG though. Those two gaming systems will have more staying power and far more variation given the different factions present in 40k. Seems like two easy financial home runs for GW and their shareholders too. 🤷‍♂️

[@Mittens_Gaming]

I like the game, but paying $52 + tax for a single sprue is a bit much. I have bought several of the army boxes, starters, and the AT starter. Some of the boxes dont feel bad, like 6x predators, but a lot of other boxes....too expensive. It needs the right table to play on, though. Not enough terrain leads to short games. I think a lot of people bought stuff for Legion because of the great teaser price of the starter set, but many fewer bought the various standalone kits, which you can see for sell at discount retailers.

[@Havok448]

Enjoyed playing Titanicus and now I moved to Imperialis. This has largely come at the expense of any games of HH. I'm also enjoying Kill Team which has been at the expense of any games of actual 40k.

[@CyrodiilCome]

Didn't they put the wrong models out on display when initially advertising this game? I remember them having to clarify what was in the box because they had like jet bikes or something in it on advertising.

[@Strange8ractor]

Now yer just making stuff up. An LI rhino is 8 pieces. I can put a box of 10 together cleanly in an hour or 2. The aircraft take a little longer, but the astartes vehicle are all just a small handful of parts and there are almost no mold lines (ok, the treads are a hassle to clean up).

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Sure but they aren't exactly beginner kits 🙄

[@uwesca6263]

@@Strange8ractor i heard horror storys from the new mechanicum cybernetica box. With some models having 3+ parts per leg... I guess some boxes can be tedious and other be easy.

[@Strange8ractor]

I’m not sure what modern GW kit counts as beginner friendly, unless you count push fit. Most of the LI models are mostly straight edges, very few mold lines, injection gates that not in visible areas on the finished model, and not very many pieces. I’m not sure what’s easier than that (not Malifaux, amiright?).

[@Strange8ractor]

Yeah, to be fair I’ve really only worked with astartes and a little bit of auxilia.

[@Anchises]

@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 old epic Rhinos were literally one piece. I'd happily take reduced detail for that simplicity.

[@jordancameron3584]

I think there’s still another 50+ plastic boxes that could come out and then a whole pile of resins that could be done before this specific range “runs out” of product in my opinion.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

I'd love to see some tiny resin primarchs lol

[@andtheinternettkills]

Hot take from me: LI would be more succesfull if it wasnt set in the HH and included xenos. I personally love epic scale minis, but the price and the setting was a turnoff. Wargames atlantic are making something akin to warmaster so I will try that out once the range is out

[@uwesca6263]

@@andtheinternettkills many people claim that but i wonder how true it is. Like the most popular things are space marines, guard and titans. So i wonder how many people would actually buy xenos. I think that they will include orks and eldar in the future. They could guite easy include them because during the crusade or the scouring both factions appaered and fought the empire.

[@WeilderofMathematics]

Maybe it's because I'm an absolute maniac, but the LI models are some of my favorite models from GW to build. At this point, I pretty much buy a model kit or two every month just because I love building them! I'm pretty excited for the Dark Mechanicum stuff too. I have noticed they are bringing a lot of the Forge World kits to plastic, like the Stormhammer tanks. And I somewhat wonder if they are going to transition a lot of the Forge World models into plastic for larger Heresy as well... I mean, I'd be down for that. I'd love a full sized Stormhammer. I also think LI allows them to build things that maybe would be too expensive/too hard to build in larger scales. So, I really hold out hope for the return of the Imperator Titan at some point. They've brought a lot of the HH stuff to LI already and that's getting wrapped up, so I hope an Imperator is on the horizon along with Ordinatus models in plastic! It would be awesome if they brought back some of the old Ordinatus Epic models to the new format too. I'd also be down for a 40k epic... not sure if they would ever do that though, who knows after they full flesh out HH and they get bored. PS: I ALWAYS watch garbage time! You may think no one is watching your vids all the way through, but I assure you, garbage time is some of the best time.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

13:09 No-one in my area is. Out of a shop with give or take 60 people coming in or going we have 0 players who will play this game system. We had 8 to 10 interested in it when they said that they were going to do a refreshed epic and myself included but then we found out it's going to be Horus Heresy and then it dropped down to 3 interested people myself included and then I seen how slow they were with releases and I didn't want any of those units. I didn't want to buy into something that has no player base with only marines on guard at the time and then that just made me not even consider it. They should have announced that it's going to be a great crusade/Hersey era game with xenos and none imperium human worlds, it would have allowed it to have greater appeal. Also in my country it's pretty expensive for what you get and the kits are nice but they are so painful to purchase as it's a non existent game that your paying for in the hopes GW will fix it.

[@uwesca6263]

What my problem with the battleforces is is the fact that i cannot use it with my main starter rulebook. General speaking the fact that they choose going the necromunda way of releasing rules, each tied to big books having narrative stuff, campaign rules and unit rules, is kinda bad. I see a spartan tank on the website. I like the model but where exactly are the rules? Because the books do not say whats in them rules wise. I do not mind the setting. I think it was a good choice because most of the people play space marines, guard, mechanicum titans anyway. I hope it will stick and will be a slow burner. I really like the models and i hope i will get to play 2k games. Also regarding the future: Some people suggested that the next big bookseries after the heresy might be the Scouring. And within that story they could add back xenos as the imperium fight to get back what they lost. So then we might see Orks and eldar armys.

[@senti5468]

If they didn't also make Horus Heresy a big mainline game I'd understand Legions Imperalis more. But this way it's like. Why is there this much Horus Heresy? Is there really a demand for this?

[@josephrigley8974]

Having played it, it's a really good game. Shits all over 40Ks gameplay.

[@douchenukem8235]

Thats why i print stuff you dont get enough of and other things to keep the cost down to a more reasonable. And i can print stuff faster than the time it takes to put the over engineered tiny things togheter as well, and i can paint the stuff i have while the printer is doing its thing. Im one of those old types that plyed Epic Space marine. We will se in another two years how imperialis is doing, if it goes away the way of Titanicus we will know. If it goes away i can still play it, i still have the models and the comapny that produces it has no say if i can play it or not.

[@huskarl5366]

Epic scale is fantastic, but I wish they had used it in the 40k setting including xenos factions to give it more material to work on. As is, they only have custodes/warpstorm left really unless they intend to go back and release the specialist units for each legion.

[@bluedotdinosaur]

Some potential good news. GW wants to keep Horus Heresy era going, especially with so many 30k models now in new plastic kits. They're moving past the final battle of Terra to the "scouring" era with some books coming out. To me, that speaks of them wanting to take advantage of so many people with Heresy models. The same kinds of units and rules would be used in that era. What's interesting is this would be the era in which Xenos began coming back - starting with the Orks regrouping. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 30k Orks before too terribly long.

[@toogreytogame]

They need Epic Eldar before I bite. However, that's hopeium.

[@steeldrac]

I know this might have happened a while ago, but the GW webshop changed... I was used to having 40K, Aos and other games... now is 40K and the "other games" are Kill Team and Necromunda, AoS with Underworlds, Warcry and WHQ: Cursed City, then it's Horus Heresy with Adeptus Titanicus and Legion Imperialis and the final one is Old World with Blood Bowl under it... it looks like there is a strategy there :P

[@GrumbleBeeMN]

Imperialis and Titanicus before it never captured my interest enough to invest in it; but if they put out space orks with stompas and gargants and little squads of killa kans, I'd be in in a heartbeat

[@crazyman0937]

I love HH & LI. I dont get any games in and im also the only one collecting them in my FLGS. But thats not stopped me from enjoying everything in the settings.

[@steeldrac]

I'm sculpting minis for a game I haven't played in almost 18 months to fill the unreleased gaps. I'm happily buying every release for the game (Oathmark. It's like Old World, but played by even less people). They are like late 90s plastic kits but released in 2024. They release like 3-4 boxes per year. I can live with that and my painting speed can cope too. It makes me happy to plan armies, collect them and paint them. Even if I'm not playing.

[@jarrettevans1353]

As someone who plays flames of war I love this game. It brings in all the elements in a scale where it fits on the table bought two starter sets as the pricing was a deal and split with my son . Have bought some upgrades as well. I bought in Hersey as well in the larger scale but thinking of selling that off as I prefer the smaller scale. 40K with titans and ships just feels like everything is on top of everything. I plan to buy more down the road as I change what GW I play

[@Derpa_Derpa_777]

I dunno why BFG hasn’t come back. It’s nice to see Epic scale stuff but you’re totally right about the boxes. Why are they packaged like this? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Battlefleet 2025

[@Derpa_Derpa_777]

@ I hope that’s a thing. I very badly want a Terminus Est fleet

[@waaaghzag]

I'm massively into LI and I am buying almost all the releases. I think it's very much one of those games with a quieter older crowd with their established game groups that don't necessarily go to play in stores.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Agreed

[@badnamebob]

I still say they totally blew it by not making LI a 40k era game. They could have long tailed all the factions for a decade, easy! Still, I love this little game and I’m glad it exists.

[@bazzab1023]

I was excited about Legion when it was announced for roughly seven minutes. I love Epic and have a few armies for it that still get pulled out every blue moon, but Legion's intersection of being limited to the Heresy plus having such a steep cost of entry (both time to build and $$$) just made it go cold for me. The idea of building those fiddly complex little models at that price point, I just can't do it, and the rules seem like a big step backwards from what you get from later editions of Epic. Sorta expected this to burn bright and then vanish and that's looking like what's happening.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

That eighth minute will get ya

[@benytreeide568]

Not a legion player, I just enjoy you guys.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Bless!

[@bluedotdinosaur]

I have a feeling that Legions Imperialis will have a certain kind of intense loyalty. The "epic" scale is low-key popular in a way where it never goes out of style. People just love being able to have truly massive army scenes in a reasonable amount of space. Titanicus has retained a fierce loyalty ever since it launched. It's telling that despite Imperialis existing, GW is keeping the Titanicus rule books and gaming aids in print rather than sunsetting them. Likewise I think Imperialis will be evergreen. I mean, people keep Battlefleet Gothic alive. Imperialis is the only practical way to represent the massive battles and especially tons of armor from the Heresy era of Warhammer. There will never be anything like it; being the only game in town carries built-in appeal.

[@BrandonBate-y9h]

I just bought my first box and watching this. I will say right off the bat. I've spent plenty of money of 40k models, paint them for hours and hours. Just to have them wiped off the board 4 out of 5 games before they take a shot. If you're terrible for rolling who goes first like me anyways lol. Even if they die without taking a shot. You can work that in your favor somehow.

[@-Markus-]

I only collect two games, Warmaster through 3D-printers and LI through official products. Love building and painting these games and their armies and i dont even play 😂

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

The small scale stuff is wonderful

[@flyfisher967]

As a 21 year old who got into warhammer 3 years ago through AOS this is a weird purchase for me but ive been loving Imperialis

[@desc4405]

GW botched the release so badly that it definitely impacted the momentum of the game a lot. I’m sticking with it in spite of its flaws, though. There’s a decent game in there but it does necessitate a lot of pre-game discussion. An army of mostly tanks is going to have a bad time against infantry-heavy lists for example.

[@concernedearthling3353]

Id play Legion Imperialis if it were like old Epic 40k. I need Ork, Eldar, Tyranid titans and such. Humans on humans is so boring. Old school epic was one of their best games. Not to mention the price and the complexity of the kits. I dont need 50 pcs for a Baneblade that fits in a childs palm lol.

[@jester7028]

Out of curiosity what’s the sell through rate of things like North Star miniatures? Namely minis for frostgrave and Stargrave. It’s something have gotten into and truly like. The plastic kits are great and super modular but and it seems a bunch of the stores I visit have a couple kits here or there. In Ontario is there a community of smaller indie osprey games? Also as an aside and maybe something for garbage time or another question: what’s your thoughts on something like trench crusade? I know it’s brand new and a total indie kickstarter thing but with 2.5 million dollars behind it and a real feel that this IP could go somewhere and be something fresh and really grim dark, I have a feeling that maybe in the future it could hopefully end up in shops. Do you think GW will just keep strangling everything or do you think the miniature wargaming community is looking for more unique fresh games creating a kind of golden age for tabletop?

[@chriswilson6486]

Way more excited for Epic Warpath. There's an entire market of players that GW ignored.

[@michaelfurlanic3505]

Vanguard miniatures may have some units of use.

[@bamaretiredgruntscottb.6533]

Curious as to where you are. $60 for a box of Predators? $200 for battle group set? Way cheaper online.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Friendly local gaming store :)

[@100thmonkey]

Been waiting decades for GW to return to Epic, and that golden age is finally upon us! Actually the future is bright - The HH setting is perfect for establishing games like AT18, Aeronautica, etc. but once those HH factions are done they have talked about moving on to things like the 'Beast Arises' era, ie. Orks and Eldar - then they can go to later eras for Sisters, Tau, Tyranids, etc. That's when the 'lost' Aeronautica kits will make their return...

[@davidwasilewski]

@@100thmonkey really? Where did you hear this? Great news if it’s true.

[@100thmonkey]

@@davidwasilewski It was suggested by Andy Hoare in early interviews about Titanicus, and also hinted at when the xenos Aeronautica kits were removed at the launch of Legions Imperialis.

[@davidwasilewski]

@@100thmonkey cheers. Let’s just hope the game has sold well enough, that it happens!

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

On Jays first point the Space marine infantry box only have 2 bases of each support unit does suck ass, the Auxilia do have it much better. On the tanks most of boxes can make two minimum sized units, which is usually the way to go and means your opponent needs to dedicate twice as many detachments to deal with them. But honestly the models needed to be in less parts having to glue the missile launcher onto the guy is a terrible design choice, its to stop bad cuts but honestly they should have gone with a non shoulder mounted heavy weapon. I would like to see once they finish HH stuff move onto Great Crusade, so much more stuff they can then cover and all the current range will be usable(minus late HH Chaos things), they can then add in Orks and Eldar which would mean they could do 40k after.

[@matthewstone1362]

Just got a printed Mastodon. House rules!!

[@goreshadetube]

I happy that it got made. All I need now is some epic Daemons and Primarchs.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Yessss

[@FluteGnome]

The only thing i like about LI is that it makes me excited to see the minis in fulls scale HH!!!

[@Dante45p]

the horus heresy games are so weird it clearly wants to be 40k pre 8th like the Old World but it can't ever because it takes the xenos and the marines are basically the same as the primias in one weapon squads just marines vs marine recolors

[@CyrodiilCome]

Couldn't you run like 2 titans in a match of Horus Heresy rn? Wouldn't it make more sense to put it in 40k because running titans aren't really something you can do.

[@caseyanders1601]

GW’s pricing is egregious for all their models. lol

[@adamnewhook9454]

Agreed. Main reason I’ve pulled back from legions is cost. Did realize how expensive it is to get a decent army put together. That being said there is still a plan to collect and play this game lol. Models are just too cool not to.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

What can be done lol

[@deniszubko3819]

Me and my pals come from Titanicus background, we were extatic to play a fresh game against our more infantry-oriented friends. Then the rules came out with titans being only a third of your points and not being able to claim objectives. We shruged and went back to playing Titanicus. This fall, the rules came out which allows you to play full titans against your non-titan buddies, but they are as bland as they can be. I will give it a spin or two, but missing these rules from the start just made me not interested in the game, and it continues to be not interested in general terms. So, I will stick to Titanicus. And mind, I will not buy more Titanicus, I already have ten thousand points of titans and knights. GW prices are honestly attrocious. I have my Titanicus mainly from battleforce boxes, splitting boxes with a friend and buying second hand from people bailing from the system.

[@steeldrac]

Have you seen that the Trench Crusade KS will get like USD$3 millions and that people will want to go and play it at your store even if you don't have anything to sell for the game?

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Good luck to them 😆

[@HB2K-h8m]

It'll be very interesting to see how that goes...👀

[@liamkehoe5957]

Epic scale just doesn't do it for me. I like HH but given the prices of GW I would rather get larger scale kits to display.

[@Seldonlair]

For a niche product it sells out quickly. Shit is fire. Immense scale, you get to play with ALL YOUR TOYS! And the game doesn't grind down. Shit dies fast, suck it up and move on your objectives.

[@senti5468]

I'm gonna make a micro youtube channel just to feud with you.

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Finally! A frienemy channel!

[@atragonx7939]

I have nothing to say.

[@irishmadcat]

AMG beat up the FFG community so GW didn't even have too.

[@HandofBlake]

I love Legions Imperialis.

[@mjinoz1677]

Interesting and amusing ramble!!

[@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@piotrjeske4599]

GW . Gone mad. Anwser is too often yes. Localy the problem with LI was that stores were only alocated the big starters. Want to buy a unit of X ? Big box. Not interested in Y or only interested in Z , well that is a problem, because big box is what it is. And yes there is nox spliting, buying online etc. Cool but online you find out that buying a printed Epic 2ed army costs a bit less then the starter. Game dies, stores get left with unsold starters. GW is happy , because it moved plastic. Ah and from previous 2ed if Epic expiriance. GW wants peopleto play this,that and that detachment from different faction. And people somehow always want to pkay just marines, just IG etc.

[@Bagration-qw2wf]

Been to your store, but it's too far for me to go regularly. I buy all the Legions stuff I can afford. I really like the game. I'd buy from you if I didn't have the gas cost added

[@corbinibroc]

Dont see the hurt in just playing with however many points you want instead of going off the rule books points requirements right?

[@sirbobulous]

The assembly is absurd. 10-13 pieces to make a single rhino depending on its load out.