Has Israel’s Response to October 7th Been Fair? - Bassem Youssef

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[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Thank you for having Bassem on and showing the world what he really is like. Stark contrast to the way he is portrayed on places like Lex and Morgan.

[@BeautyBelldoogosupreme]

I think there was no honest question in this interview or attempt to delve into both sides of the conflict. All questions are framed to make israel a victim why can people not tell the truth on the crimes israel has commited we all know the crimes on the side of hamas the plo etc and personally can admit they are horrific but I don't understand why people keep brushing aside the continued land grabbing of israel in a territory they say they have no presence in. I understand why Bassem is frustrated. But thank you for having him on, although most don't seem to appreciate it.

[@jamesjameson4303]

@@BeautyBelldoogosupremetypical response of the Palestinian side that does not get their point as fact. This guy is so full of crap it’s hilarious. He answers no question that he knows would make his side look bad. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. He is answering in BAD FAITH. it’s not about truths. For him it’s all about condemning Israel and celebrating Palestinians but with lies and half truths.

[@nomad7474]

Obfuscation 101

[@LA-ze3zx]

​@@BeautyBelldoogosupreme Israel is not a victim! We fight the terrorists that invaded our country, why is it so difficalt to understand?

[@earendil261]

It amazes me that they cannot confront the medieval barbarism that hamas perpetrated

[@ephraimwinslow]

Bro... they're not engaging you in good faith. They're playing the oldest team sport in the world, and just didn't tell you that they haven't adopted your new (non-contact) rules.

[@chrisT16161]

Not just that, they are celebrating the attacks.

[@burrelsk]

They're not only celebrating the attacks, the leaders say they want to repeat Oct 7 as often as they can. Is Israel supposed to disbelieve them? The people in Gaza want to kill Jews rather than live in peace.

[@rewdwarf123]

I suppose they could justify the Manchester Arena bombing because it's quite possible some Muslims have been discriminated against/abused by British institutions?

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

Oct7 is Palestine's 24/7. Not sure what is so difficult to understand. It doesn't justify Oct7 but you can't contain an eruption when it happens.

[@minerwilly]

This man has done nothing to suggest he deserves to be given a significant platform like this.

[@slypork5030]

You beat me to it, but many clowns get air time these days so I suppose it isn't surprising.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

It's good that we got to see that. Most people like Lex Fridman just coddle and indulge him.

[@TheSuperQuail]

Honestly, I'd still rather have this guy on than Tony Hinchliffe pretending he was actually cancelled while being bigger than ever.

[@creatorsremose]

@@thetruth9210 In a world where the DEI cult call the shots and where talent and merit count for nothing, a man like him shines. He has nothing to contribute and is clearly a mouthpiece for Jihadist propaganda. That's great for the NYT, obviously, but not for the average thinking person.

[@MH-bf4uu]

Stop coping

[@user-so3kx5sv8r]

Sorry Konstantin - this guest is not capable of having a rationale discussion on this subject

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

That's why it's good he had him on. Baseem was going around on Lex and Morgan being coddled. We got to see what its like when he has to speak to adults.

[@p382742937423y4]

Granted, that is very difficult. I dont know what to think about this stuff. Syory is aoways heartbreaking either way

[@tinglemccringleberry8899]

Well if you ignore the history you can’t be rational.

[@fatmaamour7469]

I disagree, they are coming from different perspectives

[@jamesdixon2860]

He can't have a rational discussion because his position is wrong. He dances around any solution because he knows his position fixes nothing. The problem continues with him.

[@tillysanders2593]

This attempted conversation exemplifies why there has never been peace between these two countries.

[@ramosel]

It's not even two nations... It's one nation and a group of people who "identify" as Palestinians. There is no Palestine. There never was an independent nation of Palestine. For a while back around 200 AD, the Romans called a small ROMAN province "Palestine", but that was after they conquered the Jews, ran them out and renamed Judea just to annoy the vanquished.... but even that was named for the Philistines... the Jew's historical enemy. I had a college professor describe the Palestine issue like modern day Scandinavia. There is no Scandinavia, it's just what we refer to as a region that is really Denmark, Norway and Sweden.... sometimes Finland and Iceland... and a few other islands in the North Atlantic.

[@TheAngryPotato]

@sydmccreath4554 Kiss my ass.

[@mobiusone6994]

@sydmccreath4554 Seethe harder, palestine isn't real and never has been.

[@ramosel]

@sydmccreath4554 Don’t study history much, now do you?

[@biochemistryproject]

“Country” is doing some heavy lifting with respect to “Palestine”

[@Godoverpolitics]

Bassem makes me want to be more Pro-Israel than Israel themselves

[@littlecatfeet9064]

Yeah, I want to go over there and learn Hebrew and Israeli folk dancing. And I hate folk dancing.

[@meggysaurusrex]

Bassem’s intractably militant attitude is exhausting to listen to, irrespective of what others might be debating with him.

[@user-mr9jm5fy3l]

😂😂😂 nothing funy

[@thingi]

You cannot reason with them, merely show force. If you don't show force they walk all over you. Welcome to Islam the religion of 'peace'...

[@johnferrari3904]

All bassem is, is just a anti Christian anti western Muslim arab. Not much more to it. If Palestinians were Christians he wouldn't care.

[@AB-zv6dz]

Bassem is such a manchild, as soon as he hears something he doesn't agree with he gets all pissy and throws his toys out the pram.

[@ephraimwinslow]

That is 100% his body language throughout the entire interview. He's either visibly pouting/making a show of being bored like a tween girl... or pointing and gesticulating like Klaus Kinski.

[@HildaDeerfox]

It’s like having an argument with an arrogant relative

[@garycannon2887]

The interviewer being intentionally ignorant in such a predictable way is just boring

[@garycannon2887]

@@thetruth9210 yeah that is why it’s boring and such a waste of time

[@garycannon2887]

@@thetruth9210 I agree. The point I was making was why it would be frustrating for bassem

[@fir3drag0n1984]

I understand Bassem, It is hard to give a straight answer when you are supporting terrorists

[@daleskidmore1685]

Good point well put.

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

I also understand, it is easier to ask idiotic questions than be honest about the mess you have created.

[@ephraimwinslow]

There are two groups on the planet who regularly pop the tops off of proverbial lego men to make a point: Islam... and CARTELS. That kinda tells you everything you need to know.

[@ephraimwinslow]

He had the demeanor of a man who wishes he didn't have to discuss this topic, because he would rather make his point with a scimitar.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

@@AmirShaikh-qz9pt I also understand that Mosab Hassan Yousef knows better than Baseem and would destroy him in a debate.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

When Bassem is not coddled he has a meltdown. He's irrational and unhelpful to his own cause.

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

look at his audience. they perceive only emotions. Bassem is very useful for their business.

[@gianthills]

Yet he triggers you.

[@benochibenocho]

You don't get it folks. I'm Egyptian. Even if Bassem has enough knowledge and background on this conflict -I doubt- to be able to answer such complicated questions, he simply can't. He can't say that Israel should've invaded Gaza since day 1 instead of carrying out large scale airstrikes for example. Which is something that'd cost Israel hundreds more in casualties but would've saved thousands of lives. Why? Because his audience, the Arab audience that has celebrated October 7th, does not think that Israel has any right to retaliate in any way to October 7th. Entertaining his question would *actually* end his career, paint him as a traitor, and ostracize him. He'd become a "Zionist".

[@guyr.c.606]

Your absolutely right, he simply cant.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

And a collaborator, which puts him at risk of death. I do get it. But there are Palestinians much poorer than him who’ve been protesting October 7 and Hamas in general, and they’re really risking their lives. So I don’t 100% support Bassem Youssef, who hasn’t researched anything and can get away to any safe country.

[@midastheunwise2423]

This seems like the most realistic and measured explanation. Regardless of his own beliefs (which may well reflect what he says here), he finds himself firmly on one side in this debate, and it's not a side you want to upset. Unfortunately, this does not lend itself well at all to this sort of discussion.

[@benochibenocho]

​@@littlecatfeet9064 I don't support him either. What Bassem faces is what Jews in my region have been facing since before the conception of Israel. And you're correct that there are Palestinians who have opposed October 7th since the very beginning and continue to do so. But what I've seen on October 7th is that they were a very small minority. Most of those Twitter Fatah Palestinians I see today who speak against Hamas, celebrated October 7th in one way or another when it happened. It was just such a blinding event in the Arab world people genuinely felt like they finally owned Israel forever.

[@dr.mortem6050]

He is just fed up with debate always starting from oct 7th forgetting the history. And neglecting the fact Israel is doing genocide and people still asking what's the proportionate response. On top of everything in west bank where hamas is not there Israel is doing all the same atrocities and no one cares.

[@spiderqueen601]

Bassem is refusing to say it out loud and plainly: He thinks Israel should stop existing.

[@gianthills]

yes, and so does every nation around the globe

[@MrJREllman]

99% of people protesting the Palestinian cause are pretending to care and 99% of them just want Israel to stop existing.

[@FuLengLives]

​@@gianthillsnope

[@yuvalevr]

He’s one of the worst antisemites out there

[@iMxXxMi]

I mean, Palestinians have the right to exist and return to their land. Jews who came from Europe go back to Europe, and jews (10% of population) who were there before 1917, are welcome to stay as they already been living there and have true connection to the land just like the palestinians. And guess what? Those 10% jews are actually palestinians.

[@grahamhill2267]

He’s not listening! He cannot answer because he knows he’s wrong!

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

Ha! Can't answer an absurd question.

[@Danz0-gm2gs]

@@AmirShaikh-qz9pt exactly. this comments section is full of pure idiots. what can i say, idiots attract idiots.

[@scottnolan2833]

@@AmirShaikh-qz9pt “How should Israel have responded?” Is an absurd question? Why? I think Muslims don’t want to answer because they might have to question their own sense of victimhood.

[@pantethine66]

what should the occupying force do against an uprising against its occupation? That is the dumb question being ask

[@gianthills]

quiet, kid.

[@user-xh5km1nc1g]

Same Hamas propaganda all the time

[@Danz0-gm2gs]

which points are hamas propaganda if you dont mind clarifying

[@garycannon2887]

@@Danz0-gm2gstruth and facts are Hamas propaganda. That is why they target journalists

[@shuddafukkup]

As opposed to the Jewish propaganda? Clown

[@dark3031]

Yea, also they would dance around the questions all the time, as they can't admit to western worlds that they want the total destruction of Israel and its people gone from the land.

[@Danz0-gm2gs]

@sydmccreath4554 yup

[@watdeneuk]

This guy was all emotion and 0 rational, the conversation already lost before this cut.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Unfortunately, because there was zero willingness from him to discuss rationally, Francis had to step in and change tack by treating him like an emotional child who needs very delicate handling

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@@thetruth9210 you sound as sarcastic as Bassem, similarly unable to engage in any constructive way

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@@thetruth9210 I’m more than happy to engage constructively, so here’s a question for you to start. Do you think that critics of Israel who want their condemnation to be taken seriously are obliged to also provide an alternative option for Israel’s response? That is, if they’re to be considered a fair judge

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@@thetruth9210 ok, before getting onto KK’s response (which I’m keen to get into), on the topic of fair judgment, what are some components that make judgment fair exactly? Please note, I’m deliberately abstracting out the concept in order that we can attempt to apply it to the topic of Israel/Palestine

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@@thetruth9210 wait, you’re already applying the concept of fair judgment. I’m asking what some components are of fair judgment as a concept BEFORE we apply it to this situation

[@davidray1866]

Bassem makes me less sympathetic to Palestinian. How can you dialogue or negotiate about peace when someone won't have a direct conversation with you.

[@shadyabdelfattah8014]

😂😂😂 you just need to listen to the other side of story the true story not the media bullshit then you will understand who is the real terrorist

[@RJ-or8bw]

@@shadyabdelfattah8014so how hard would it be to admit that Hamas messed up by unaliving grandmas, bragging about it and posting videos? If Hamas swept military targets, the people with uniforms that chose those types of problems, there would be a much different response here in these comments. Similarly, if Israel went after the guys in the masks and the AKs that want those types of problems, they also wouldn’t get the criticism. At that point, Bassem can make the point that those innocent people didn’t even vote for Hamas and like everyone, they probably don’t even like their government. He would be much more sympathetic and the conversation can actually be fruitful.

[@dogbert52]

The concepts of negotiations or peace in his culture, are diametrically different to the rest of the planet.

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

@@dogbert52 Students from Europe and America quickly and easily become immersed in this culture.

[@leetaipe]

@@RJ-or8bw You cant equate Israel to Hamas. The difference between them is very clear, Hamas delibrately targets civilians, Israel targets combatants. Civilian casualties, which happens in every war, is not the same as entering the house and deliberately wiping off the entire family. If Hamas weren't pathetic cowards who hide behind civil buildings, Israel would've erased them already.

[@the_forbinproject2777]

OK, so Bassem stated that Hamas did what they did because of what Israel did in the past, Then states that somehting horrific in the past should not justify the future ( 04:07) but isnt that his arguement for the Hamas attack ?? wut ?

[@Noplayster13]

It’s very simple. People he likes are always in the right and justified in their every action. People he doesn’t like are always evil.

[@anchormax3597]

@@Noplayster13I wouldn't say so, I don't get the vibe that he likes the pals, as he is only outraged at the most minuscule conflict in the middle east(by causalities), the pals have suffered far more by neighboring countries. it's not for the love of the pals it's for the hate of the juice, that's the only consistent stance he can have, of course maybe he is just insane and then consistency goes out the window.

[@chrise7359]

You're missing the point entirely I'm afraid. It's not just the past, but also the present, and probably the future. Oppressing a population takes work!

[@Wado0oich]

Yes and he has condemned what Hamas did multiple times in the last 6 months. Now what?

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

@@thetruth9210 You mean when the Arabs attacked the fledgling Israel with the intent to exterminate all Jews?

[@T-1001]

You tried your best Konstantin. Not sure why he came on if he doesn't want to talk. It's fair enough if he's hopeless about the situation but then why bother doing an interview.

[@bryankinney1]

Yes he's an intolerable toddler. So full of shit it's dripping off him. How the fuck he got famous is beyond me. Also, bad Terminator? 😻

[@tf2368]

He’s just using this as a platform to sell his stand up gigs. He doesn’t have a clue nor actually cares in reality. Just a grifter

[@T-1001]

@@tf2368 He's a comedian? Wow I can't imagine him being funny.

[@gianthills]

@@tf2368 are you pretending to be normal?

[@tf2368]

@@gianthills are you pretending to be relevant?

[@kevinfox1780]

Youssef is bored with your non Islamist state of mind.

[@benochibenocho]

I'm an atheist Arab. Bassem is left wing and secular belonging to a fringe minority in the Arab world that has some progressive opinions on women, Christians, etc, but more or less the same stance on Israel/Palestine. There are also right wing pan-Arabist secular Arabs who hate both Islamists and leftists yet have more or less the same stance on Israel/Palestine.

[@XMoeiskingX]

@@benochibenochohis views are not fringe. There’s hella radical islamists that actively want to see the end of Judaism.

[@garycannon2887]

Bored of ignorant racists more like

[@TheAngryPotato]

Youssef would like nothing more than to collect his daily stipend from IRAN and not have to answer stupid infidel questions.

[@Ejexion]

@@XMoeiskingX Read what he wrote again. He's saying the guy is fringe for other reasons. His views on Israel/Palestine are shared by those on the other end of the political aisle. In other words, he is more or less making the point: "There’s hella radical islamists that actively want to see the end of Judaism."

[@Libertariun]

Atrocities started around 632 AD

[@creatorsremose]

If you know, you know. 🌙

[@Libertariun]

@@creatorsremose The goal of socialism is communism. The goal of Islam is 99% demographic.

[@Libertariun]

You can also ask about Afghanistan. Algeria. Comoros. Iran. Mauritania. Morocco. Niger. Somalia. Tunisia. Turkey. Yemen. which were invaded and colonised after 632AD, and are now 99% you know what. The other religions there genocided.

[@nickcarter6640]

What about the slaughter of Jews in 70AD?

[@JoJo-xg8iv]

You are a terrorist.

[@morpheus3128]

Bassem is a clown.

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

KK seems like one here to be honest.

[@morpheus3128]

@@AmirShaikh-qz9pt No. Not really.

[@chrise7359]

Is that supposed to be funny 🥸? He's a comedian you know. Aside from that, why is it funny to be calling out oppressors?

[@yaronnagauker305]

@@chrise7359 he is a Clown !🤡🤡

[@morpheus3128]

@@chrise7359 Israel = Good Guys. Palestinians = Bad Guys. Try to keep up.

[@evanosburn718]

This is the kind of reaction I'd expect from a blue hair, shrieking Antifa member at a protest, not a Trig guest I just don't find dodging questions and barely subdued rage very persuasive

[@CrusadesWereGood567]

@@thetruth9210I will pay your medical bills so you can go and have your ears and eyes examined because we clearly did not watch the same video if you think “there was no dodging of questions”

[@gianthills]

they aren't questions. They are traps set by a couple of supporters of a genocidal state

[@speggeri90]

Rule number one of warfare; don’t attack those who you cannot win.

[@gianthills]

There would never have been a USA with your lame mentality

[@nataliamirochnitchenko8152]

thank you for exposing the incoherence of these morally deplorable people

[@chrise7359]

You must have watched a different video.

[@nataliamirochnitchenko8152]

@@chrise7359 the man cannot even form a sentence , least of all defend his position. what video did you watch?

[@chrise7359]

@@nataliamirochnitchenko8152 Don't underestimate his intelligence. I've seen some of his interviews and the man is a trained cardiac surgeon, he's not silly. Perhaps because what he's responding to is indescribable for him given his family are in Gaza at the moment.

[@Kwamehayes]

😂 The old dodge the question by giving non answer Buddy your non answer let's us know what your answer is 😂

[@ephraimwinslow]

His honest answer would be 30% phlegm and 70% scimitar.

[@dark3031]

If he was being honest he would admit that they want the destruction of Israel and all Jews. But of course he can't admit thing to a Western media.

[@NoghaStar]

This is where Bassem failed to understand the Israeli perspective because he wasn’t able to understand that Israel really has no choice. He himself can’t come up with a solution.

[@Pangora2]

I feel he'd come off if he was less charged and offered responses. I remember one former international lawyer laid out how one could go through the UN days after the attacks and get international sanction for a slate of actions. Israel could then have proceeded as-is, but with paper in hand saying that the world supported them. Skipping that step is certainly something to be considered, and still allows the retaliation on the ground.

[@pantethine66]

Israeli perspective is for Palestinians not to resist the occupation and to submit to Israeli domination of their everyday life.

[@dark3031]

@@pantethine66 Then what's your solution? Israelis should all f off elsewhere?

[@dogbert52]

​@@pantethine66living as a je w in a village in israel = occupation?

[@steak-a-potamus6231]

@@pantethine66 Sounds awfully similar to the IRGC's occupation of Iran.....

[@WhippyWhip2]

This guy is so disingenuous it's scary

[@vicnighthorse]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't wars generally go on until both sides agree to terms or one side surrenders? When did this 'proportionate response' notion take the place of that?

[@ltmund]

When its the Jews apparently

[@HildaDeerfox]

Some sort of international law states it has to be “proportionate”

[@rennyskiathitis8178]

The law of proportionality just means that you use as much force as is necessary to achieve your goal. It is subject in nature. There is no law that says you can't blow up tunnels being used by N enemy military simply because those tunnels run under civilian buildings as long as the civilians are warned ans given time to evacuate. 99% of the time critics of Israel ether don't know wtf they are talking about. Not saying this applies to you.

[@dark3031]

It happens when there are too many strong countries spectating it and try to pick out whatever you did wrong in the war.

[@gianthills]

You assume that both sides are equal in power and resources.

[@jane---489]

*_A typical 'Smoke and Mirrors' Muslim mindset ..._*

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

A typical zionist mindset.

[@tf2368]

At least he admits he has no clue. Took a while to get there

[@kylebalmer3396]

Why are you writing in that weird font?

[@jane---489]

@@kylebalmer3396 *_Why" ? Why not (Rhetorical question)..._*

[@kylebalmer3396]

@@jane---489 it just seems like unnecessary effort, like why are you doing it?

[@dsamh]

This is gold. If there ever was a "best" representative of some incoherent case that Oct7 was justified... here it is.

[@garycannon2887]

Are most comments on this channel all bots? No one made a case for oct7 being justified

[@dsamh]

@@garycannon2887 Oct 8 coulda gone 2 ways.

[@dark3031]

@@garycannon2887 When Konstantin asked him blatantly what does he think about Oct 7, he said "We gotta look at what Israel has done in the past". I think it is quite clear that he think Oct 7 is justified because of what Israel did in the past.

[@garycannon2887]

@@dark3031 that is just you making an ignorant assumption. He condemns Hamas and oct7 the same as everyone else. The purpose of highlighting the context is making the point that Israel using their failure on oct7, waiting before defending themselves from the terrorist group they supported and funded, does not in anyway justify them using it as an excuse to further their genocidal and land grabbing aims.

[@garycannon2887]

@@dsamh yeah they could have admitted their failure on oct7 and negotiated the release of hostages with the thousands of Palestinian hostages they were holding, but instead they chose to sacrifice their own along with innocent Palestinians for a land grab.

[@XMoeiskingX]

He’s giving you an honest answer because if the power dynamic was flipped and the Palestinians had Israel’s footing they would eradicate their opponent to a far worse degree than Israel is displaying.

[@gavtalk958]

The Palestinians would eradicate their opponent, you say. But where precisely is historic evidence for that, if I may ask? The Germans tried that in the 20th century, and there is evidence of that. The Russians tried that in the late 19th century, and there is evidence of that. But where precisely, is the evidence that Palestinians (as distinct from Hamas) who are comprised of muslims sunni and shia, christians orthodox, catholic and protestant, druze and samaritan, where is the evidence that they historically have interned, beseiged, starved out or killed on a systematic scale the jews? If there is insufficient historic evidence to justify your claim then one wonders what makes you so confident that palestinians would do that in the future.

[@giltuito1545]

You can't have a serious conversation when the guy comes with a stance of "Israel shouldn't exist"

[@acerrubrum5749]

Speaking of international law, "The use of human shields is forbidden by Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions and is considered a war crime as well as a violation of humanitarian law". Ask why Hamas is deliberately using their own civilians as a sheild and for propaganda points.

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

Did Israel even go to the trouble of providing evidence of human shields? I believe not.

[@oxidaenitros5670]

Explain to me how you use human shields when you're bombed from above 😂😂😂 my god you're seriously so dumb, you regurgitate western propaganda without thinking

[@gavtalk958]

Only nation states are party to the Geneva Conventions. Hamas is not a nation state, so your question is technically and legally a non sequitur. It is a valid "moral" question, but that wasn't the premise of your question.

[@Trazynn]

This situation perfectly shows how the Geneva Convention ends up hurting civilians as soon as only one side needs to abide by them.

[@gianthills]

Since when did any court make that ruling? they didn't. be quiet , kid.

[@ephraimwinslow]

'Your camp has an unfortunate tendency to make people one head shorter.' *Angry pointing intensifies*

[@kindnutritionist2672]

😂 brilliant

[@mrror8933]

Bassem went on to gaslight the populace in his interview with James o'brien on LBC.

[@tf2368]

James O’brien has the face for radio

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

3:40 "You are nuking a whole country." So then Gaza is its own independent country. Also I am 100% sure no nukes were used. And "if your only choice is killing children..." just reinforces the fact that Israel is far from genocidal as any population facing genocide would not have such an explosive population growth. His incessant reluctance so quantify any sort of response Israel could have given is illustrative for the failure of peace negotiations. Zero ability to connect to others, understand their points of view, understand their circumstances. They don't want peace. They want to finish the job of Germany's mustache man.

[@meggysaurusrex]

KK - Was endlessly patient here..

[@jonathoncollins6861]

I couldn't agree more. I definitely wouldn't have been able to keep up the professionalism

[@meggysaurusrex]

@@thetruth9210 if you don’t want silly answers, stop clowning around, indeed Bessam really was interrupting constantly during that interview- I couldn’t agree more!

[@hayleylongster4698]

I dunno.... is Radical Islam's response to French cartoonists mocking Mohammed 'fair' ?

[@ephraimwinslow]

Every other religion decided collectively to play touch football instead of tackle, and now *every single game* Islam racks up foul, after foul, after foul... and the other teams are too guileless and solipsistic to figure out IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT. Stop taking your cues on geopolitical issues from Karens. It hobbles societies.

[@benochibenocho]

Are you comparing Israel's response to October 7th, to Islamists response to cartoons? Because it's more fitting to compare Islamists response to cartoons, to Oct 7th being a response for Israeli crimes. As KK said, any nation in Israel's place would've acted the same way. But not all people would've acted like radical Islamists.

[@hayleylongster4698]

@@thetruth9210 I guess that's a devastating takedown in YOUR mind 🙄

[@hayleylongster4698]

@@benochibenocho No, I'm making a general point that a 'fair response' is a ridiculous benchmark to hold Israel to in this scenario when its antagonist (Islam as a whole, not just Hamas as an entity) is hardly capable of fielding a 'fair response' to ANY criticism at all, let alone violent attack. Aside from that, you're correct regardless.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@thetruth9210 Troll identified. B+ Troll too, because his non-positions are refreshingly vague.

[@PatrickF.Fitzsimmons]

there is no fair in war.

[@meggysaurusrex]

They call it warfare, although the only thing fair about it is that everyone loses even if they win!

[@anchormax3597]

@@meggysaurusrex that's a contemporary pervasive popular wisdom and absolutely false. I do not advocate for war but it has its utility.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Er, isn’t the concept of war crimes kind of relate to fairness?

[@meggysaurusrex]

@@anchormax3597 not really, the pervasive wisdom appears to be political, rhetoric, brinksmanship and divisive polemic as usual, unless you would like to redefine the word pervasive.

[@meggysaurusrex]

@@EmperorsNewWardrobe - which misses the point.

[@bjkjoseph]

Israel needs to take Gazza for themselves, because they’re just not getting it

[@ConradSpoke]

This man's dishonesty - his refusal to acknowledge the use of human shields, for instance - is simply stunning.

[@danieltorlak5579]

Israel is the most militarized society possibly in the entire Middle East, with every able-bodied non-Haredi male entering the military. Civilian and military life is in fact not distinguishable. I wonder by Israel's own logic how many human shields are in Israel?

[@giltuito1545]

@@danieltorlak5579 first of all Israel is hardly the most militarized country on earth. Do your homework. Second of all, what does it have to do with the issue of human shields, you uninformed neo-marxist? 😆

[@TingTong2568]

Bassem Youssef dosen't want to answer Konstantine's question shows he is a snake.

[@TheSocratesian]

"Fair?" WTF? Fair fights are for suckers.

[@rewdwarf123]

It was like 'shock horror' when Israeli troops entered Gaza, but hadn't Hamas 'militants' crossed into Israel?

[@jaialaiwarrior]

Triggernometry is in for some real culture shock. Spoiler alert: this guy is unable to put himself in Israel's shoes because his culture doesn't allow him to. It requires him to uphold what they consider to be their supremacy over the Jews.

[@jamesthenabignumber]

When a country’s elected government commits a massacre, the response need not be ‘fair’. In this situation, a competent government should respond with intent to deter anyone thinking of trying something similar in future. If Gazans don’t like what is happening, why aren’t they on the street protesting? Why aren’t they informing the IDF of Hamas locations? Because, as much as they complain about Israel’s response, they (in the vast majority) consented to Hamas’ actions of October 7th.

[@ablet400]

Why do defenders of Gaza never talk about Hamas hiding in a civilian population? If Hamas met Israel on the field of battle and then Israel struck civilian targets, they would rightfully be condemned

[@tf2368]

He’s just pandering to his audience to sell stand up gigs

[@nickcarter6640]

Because half the civilian population is Hamas.

[@JFK762]

Because it's an inconvenient fact in their narrative

Because we have actually brains and study at universities instead of you losers falling for some propaganda 😂🫵🏽

[@EsseQuamViderity]

The derangement of these people… Haim Israel! 🇮🇱❤🇺🇸

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

Where did you guys pick up this person?

[@framestomind7548]

In the senate

[@Noplayster13]

He’s a guy that has a lot of influence these days… for some reason.

[@tillyt4054]

@@framestomind7548 We don"t have a Senate in the UK

[@framestomind7548]

@@tillyt4054 who said he only work with the Brits?

[@borneandayak6725]

If he ask what happen before the 7th October and centuries before, then ask him about the invasion of Arab in Israel under Caliph Umar in 637, as a result Arab capture and colonizing Jerusalem and the whole of Israel.

[@Libertariun]

You can also ask about Afghanistan. Algeria. Comoros. Iran. Mauritania. Morocco. Niger. Somalia. Tunisia. Turkey. Yemen. which were invaded and colonised after 632AD, and are now 99% you know what.

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

Way more than fair. Obscenely fair. So fair that Israel is the victim of it's own efforts to be cautious in it's response.

[@matthewfindlay9010]

I have still to see an interview where a Muslim has condoned Hamas and put the blame solely on them for starting a conflict against a more capable enemy. However you frame it innocent people on both sides have died because of their actions on October the 7th

[@ephraimwinslow]

Islam. Doesn't. Play. Fair. They never have. Lying to the other team is in their phoquing rule book.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

lol, Bassem relies on ignorance to win an argument, but like cheap furniture, the minute you look at it with skepticism, you see the problems.

[@xpacnwo2000]

Bassam is a as mature as 6 year old Aisha was on her wedding day.

[@ramosel]

Why does a response need to be fair..? October 7th sure wasn't fair. Hamass F'd Around, now they are Finding Out. This is not a playground. When you throw the second punch, make sure your enemy doesn't get back up.

[@gianthills]

Did you really expect Hamas not to fight back? Was 75 years of Israel's tyranny fair?

[@SavvyDrifter]

Fair is such an insane word to use in this context.

[@an_nie_dyc1386]

I know right?

[@Freewoman76]

It's a shame Bassam isn't as cuddly and likeable on the inside as he is on the outside

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

and he has a great voice. It’s very unpleasant when terrible things are said in such a voice.

[@maxwynn7980]

Someone in this conversation seems overly defensive.

[@PRSA1212]

Victim mentality to the max 'They are murders and killers, Israel is a terrorist state and committing war crimes', yet he cannot acknowledge Hamas being murders and killers and terrorists and committing war crimes? Maybe the citizens of Gaza shouldnt have celebrated in such jubilation of the hostages arriving, ffs HAMAS had to protect the hostages from the citizens blood lust. He literally says that the past justifies Hamas actions. Yet in the same breath he says past actions should not be used to justify acts today. This guys needs to get out of his victimhood mentality and try have real discussion for real solutions, and the river to the sea, is not a real solution.

[@hariseldon3786]

When I did business in the Middle East I faced this sort of attitude all the time - many want to talk about what they want through their lens to talk AT you, and it is so difficult to have a rational dialogue.

[@poncholarpez6233]

You handled this very well

[@josephsilo187]

This is a perfect encapsulation as to why we should ignore all sides involved in a conflict. A Palestinian and a Jew can't reconcile what the other side did. Any policy made by the US or the UN should be made ignoring both Jews and Palestinians.

[@larryjenkinson5525]

🇦🇺 Sorry, don't want to watch these Palestinian apologists. Even if they had a legitimate case, it doesn't excuse organising a murder raid against civilians. I'm sure there are military targets in Israel they could have attacked if the terrorists weren't cowards.

[@danieltorlak5579]

At least half of the total casualties in Israel from the Hamas attacks were military. And the distinction between military and civilian when we're talking about Israel is not obvious, as every house provides someone to the IDF (that's all able-bodied, non-Haredi men). Settlements along Gaza are equipped with surveillance equipment, security and police which would aid the IDF in case of an attack in Gaza.

[@steveleater615]

Ask the people who have been raped, Killed & don't forget the hostages, who were dragged back behind enemy lines, weather Isreal respone is fair for F... sake!!!!!!!! God help those poor buggars???

[@leetaipe]

​@@thetruth9210 He can repeat his nonsense about the palestinians hostages as much as he wants, it doesnt make it more real. Those "hostages" - are convicted terrorists who either commited a terrorist attack or planned one. And unlike the medieval palestinian society and justice system of throwing people from the buildings, in Israeli court you have to bring undeniable evidence to convict someone. And before you start spitting your nonsense about the biased zionist court - there are arab and lots of leftist judges who basically have pro-palestinian stance.

[@keithwilkins1437]

If you attack and invade another country you do not tell them what is an acceptable response

[@danieltorlak5579]

Wonderful principle. Now I'm guessing you wouldn't care about the annihilation of Israeli population centers by Lebanon, Jordan and Syria, right?

[@JohanThiart]

Israel’s response has little to do with fairness but everything with care towards the citizens of Israel.

[@NewHerseyAccent]

Cant use the horrific past against his position but he can use the past against your arguments, how convenient. Sarcasm is not a substitute for an intelligent argument, what a manchild.

[@janettucker3196]

Israel is fighting Hamas for its existence. Hamas is fighting Israel for supremacy. Which has the moral high ground?

[@tacitus6384]

Yes. Gazans elected Hamas. They supported Hamas. And on Oct. 7th they cheered for Hamas. Now I'm supposed to have sympathy for them because wars have consequences? The children in Gaza are the only ones who garner my sympathy.

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

there is a problem with defining children. Among Arabs, children from 14 years old are quite adults. but for UN reports children under 18 years of age.

[@abyssssb913]

bringing up an election to show support for specific policies or actions is kind ridiculous, let alone an election from 2006 where they were elected by a plurality and where exit polls showed most people wanting hamas's policies towards israel to change (though it's not clear to me in what way)

[@Benboy1980]

This is the very definition of a bad faith discussion. There is no effort to find a solution

[@neilaspinall5005]

The notion that Israel's response to Oct. 7th should be "fair" or "proportional" is clearly irrational and has no merit. And given that Hamas and the jihadis hide behind civilians or in UN funded tunnels, a fair response might be seen as no response at all, just in case the civilans get in the way and get killed . A ludicrous idea that many of the armchair critics of Israel espouse. As for the person being interviewed, he should be regarded as representative of the colonisers of the land of ancient Israel that are getting a dose of their own medecine.

[@whousa642]

Sitting across the table from devil

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Calm down, mate. No need to get all witch-hunty

[@danieltorlak5579]

Ah yes, the devil? Certainly Bassem is the devil on a channel and podcast with a host actually in favor of repudiating all laws of war and extolling "brutality" as a war standard, a mentality perhaps more than two centuries old.

[@XMoeiskingX]

Basseum’s whole argument is “if you ignore everything that hamas did wrong and ignore most of history then Israel is a big meanie”

[@XMoeiskingX]

@@thetruth9210 it’s pretty universally agreed upon in google-able history who started the conflicts starting post WW1. And it wasn’t israel.

[@XMoeiskingX]

@@thetruth9210 they delete mine too so idk whos side theyre protecting

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@thetruth9210 Get. A. Life. Child. You're in literally every thread being a contrarian.

[@danieltorlak5579]

Hamas didn't exist prior to the 1990s, when the Palestinians had already been displaced and scattered around the world. Hamas isn't in the West Bank, and what's happening there?

[@thetruth9210]

@@danieltorlak5579 What's happening there? people are being killed and it is being taken over

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

This is simple, Bassem isn’t a fair judge. If all he can say is that one party shouldn’t have done something without providing ANY alternatives himself, it’s not a fair moral assessment. He can of course be a decent human being with a big heart who laments the widespread suffering, but he’s not fit to take position as a judge if he condemns without offering alternative. If a charging shark is about to eat someone and they poke it in the eye which successfully defend themselves, and they’re told they shouldn’t have done that (without being offered any alternative), that judge simply isn’t fit to judge. Bassem didn’t provide any alternative whatsoever or even attempt one in how to respond to the attacks of human monsters…

[@kennethdixon6458]

Bassem: "Palestinians did nothing but try to live peacefully for 8 decades and then we finally had enough and did the Oct. 7th thingy."

[@divinvarghese3501]

When pressed bassem is passing out 😂 His stand ups are not working

[@Gar96229]

The argument that Hamas murdering innocent civilians in their homes is justification for Israel’s blockade to prevent Hamas from murdering innocent civilians will never make sense to me.

[@dogbert52]

What is egypt? What is the egyptian-gazan border?

[@alexsandoval796]

Understanding where the other person is coming from is the basis of any productive change, advancement, relationship, or negotiations. The fact that Bassem will not accept the question speaks volumes to me.

[@paulomoniz3811]

I’ve tried to have this same conversation with a person of Muslim faith, after 5 minutes I gave up and walked away. You can’t have a argument with stupid.

[@danieltorlak5579]

Paulo Pablo, what's the average IQ in Latin America, out of interest?

[@danieltorlak5579]

Ah yes, the casual conflation of "Muslim" and "pro-Palestinian" by a far-right Christian Zionist fanatic.

[@campy3888]

@@danieltorlak5579 Certainly better than the average IQ among Arabs. You should look into that and the rate of inbreeding among Arabs.

[@chrisT16161]

Yes it has. Israel has been pretty measured in its response in my thought. I really dislike This Youssef guy.

[@chrisT16161]

@@thetruth9210 Not a joke at all. Thus all the evacuations before the Israeli attacks. Vast difference before the brutalities and terrorism of Oct. 7th.

[@danieltorlak5579]

For a terrorist organization, Hamas has been pretty measured, IMHO. Only every house in Israel gives somebody to the military.

[@chrisT16161]

@@danieltorlak5579 are you insane? Or just retarded?

[@majed11215]

i became pro -israel because of basaem yousef , from Saudi arabia

[@Danz0-gm2gs]

absolute coward

[@majed11215]

@@Danz0-gm2gs how does coward factors in what i said ? 😂. If the Palestinian cause is حماس Hamas . Then fuck the Palestinian cause simple as that .

[@rennyskiathitis8178]

Not if he is on the left. It takes absolute bravery to support Israel on the Left. The Left despises Israel.

[@majed11215]

@@Danz0-gm2gs come to the light brother

[@Danz0-gm2gs]

@@majed11215 yeah whatever mate.

[@anuragsinha2013]

Mohammad Atta was an Egyptian. Ayman Al zawahiri was an Egyptian. Yasir Arafat was an Egyptian. Shiekh Qaradawi was an Egyptian. Hassan Al Banna was an Egyptian. Tariq Ramadan was an Egyptian. Sayid ul Qutb was Egyptian. Imam Rauf was an Egyptian. Muslim brotherhood was in Egypt.

[@matthewfindlay9010]

What was Hamas aim in filming the atrocities of October the 7th? It’s one thing to capture bombings in a reporting nature but why would you film and upload the murder of innocent lives onto social media and celebrate it … that’s pretty sick

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

their goal is to intimidate the Israeli population as much as possible and force them to seek refuge in other countries. Hamas representatives constantly declare their intention to repeat such attacks.

[@MrSenserus]

This guy is absurdly uneducated on the topic

[@ahmadhma1]

teach us please

[@meggysaurusrex]

Yeah Bassem really seems to be struggling to answer anything calmly 🎉

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

Can't answer an absurd question.

[@oxidaenitros5670]

Literally ALL major independent organizations say the same things, but thanks God Mrsenserus is here enlightening us

[@ahmadhma1]

@@oxidaenitros5670 I'm sure he have justification for Israel murdering 30k and destroying an entire city! Mr Mrsenserus is gonna destroy us with facts and logic lol.

[@nickcarter6640]

He thinks Israel is to blame for arresting youth who throw bricks at police and soldiers... but that would be the case anywhere in the world...

[@672Anonymous]

How can he sit there so smug, but have no response, no real answers.

[@MyName-cw4yr]

​@@thetruth9210 he didn't answer the questions and then kinda trued to justify hamas action on Oct 7th.

[@snewsom2997]

Rwanda, comes to mind.

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

racist.

[@snewsom2997]

@@AmirShaikh-qz9pt He asked what modern war were Non Combatants regularly targeted. Congo, Rwanda, and Former Yugoslavia came to my mind Making peace is hard, making people gone is easier. Its not support either way, just an observation.

[@AmirShaikh-qz9pt]

@@snewsom2997 thought he was talking about the rwanda policy of sending people back.

[@davids1816]

Bassem is struggling to not be emotional because he's been under threat himself and been powerless himself and he can identify. It's hard to hate him for it. It is also not surprising that ANY country that has an attack like October 7th would want to annihilate the region that did it. I don't have a good solution for any of this. But I think Bassem's emotions have left him unable to have a good conversation about how to handle this. But he's not completely wrong that Israel has gone much farther than most of us in our worst-case scenario, thought might happen. But when he says that "something horrific happened in the past doesn't justify... does that also not mean it would be best for the Arab Muslims of the region to let go of the past, and start new lives that aren't based upon what their great grandparents lost? I empathize with the man, but I think his argument is mostly emotional.

[@bryankinney1]

He's a grifter, a liar, a terrible porn actor with big biceps.

[@mamandapanda185]

I can't not come undone and speak without my amygdala firing whenever something about the Rona reactions come up

[@danieltorlak5579]

I wonder how Eastern Europe should have responded to "Jewish Bolshevism"?

[@user-tw8tz6yv9z]

when they start using words like “atrocity”, it becomes clear that a person has no real arguments other than emotions

[@Adam-ns2cr]

Hey Gaza, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@andrewkemp480]

Tripe. Trope. Trope ...and then more tripe. And my spelling is correct

[@lostgrenadier]

My father is a toxic , malignant narcissist, arguing with him sounds a lot like arguing with this block head.

[@johnfrancis4401]

This man is an apologist for Hamas.

[@owenh.2265]

Was the U.S. response to Pearl Harbor "fair"?

[@mrgriff6122]

a sign of intelligence, is being able to imagine yourself in the place of another person. Being able to see things from an opposing point of view.

[@tf2368]

He knows what the answer is, he just can’t say it

[@iamkesha.]

Israel have a right to defend themselves. Would they have told the US not to retaliate after 9/11? So why are they telling Israel not to retaliate?

[@paulb9453]

The Sri Lankan army decimated the Tamil Tigers, without bombs, but decimated nonetheless. As The Art of War states, you cannot fight a war and 50% defeat the opponent (paraphrased). But if the enemy uses human shields…..Triggernometry handles this brilliantly.

[@PWMoze]

Well done KK for sticking at it and well done FF for patiently waiting for KK to get the guy to land. Not sure how qualified Bassem is to debate this issue in a balanced way given that he simply came out with the standard, stock statements of every pro Palestine advocate: the situation didn't start 7th October, you are forgetting previous Iraeli atrocities, civilians are now being killed as a subsequence of Israeli violence. Rather than accepting that: Hamas deliberately escalated the conflict on 7th October having been firing missiles into Israel for years without achieving any particular goal. Hamas has now deliberately chosen to focus the conflict around its own civilian settlements, using the Palestinian people as a human shield or canon fodder. Hamas embraces civilian casualties as they see any Israeli aggression as strengthening their argument in the eyes of the World. They see the dead civilians as martyrs not casualties. Wouldn't it be refreshing if commentators we prepared to be balanced instead of racing to attack one side and blindly defending the other?

[@Hanginglimbs1]

Egyptian Mel Gibson is a bit of a loon

[@IHaveTheSchwartz]

Baseem has zero moral bank account.

[@danieltorlak5579]

Says you. On an ultra-right (that is, braindead) channel hosted by individuals who make no secret they want brutality as a standard of war.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Bassem is: a lamenter with a big heart Bassem is not: a fair judge who weighs both sides

[@ahmedsamybasha]

Why does the host keeps asking what should isreal have done? Why not ask What should palestinian do? Full support to Bassem Questions are biazed towards Israel 👎🏻👎🏻

[@andrewclarkeinfo]

My god these guys’s questions are so ridiculous. The whole interview shows a shameful lack of basic comprehension of the topic.

[@andreas0101]

Simpel and logical questions pro-palestine folks never seen to be able to answear.

[@meggysaurusrex]

😂 - you overlooked the ridiculous replies!

[@ephraimwinslow]

HE KNOWS. I swear... watching people's reactions to Islam and the issue surrounding it calls to mind watching someone *getting their teeth knocked in with a can of tuna* while the person in question awkwardly sputters: "I don't understand what the issue is! Just go around, I don't mind moving..." And all I can think is: "YOU ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO STEP ASIDE. YOU ARE BEING HOSPITALIZED. WAKE TF UP. WHAT IS *WRONG* WITH YOU???"

[@meggysaurusrex]

It did seem like Bassem lacked the necessary comprehension to remain calm-😂

[@abyssssb913]

@@andreas0101 what should people in palestine do in response to israel holding thousands of palestinians prisoner, including people without trial, blockading gaza, holding a military occupation of the west bank and settling people there, and collectively punishing people in gaza and the west bank, when israel is not being held accountable for any of their crimes?