Has Stellantis QC Gotten So Bad That They Forget To Put Main Bearings In Demon 170 Engines?

In the latest saga of reported Demon 170 engine failures, it seems the teardown of one has revealed that the factory neglected to install one of the lower main bearing shells resulting in a mysterious oil leak...but, that never actually happened.
Other failures of these engines may be completely legit, but this one is an obvious hoax. Here's all of the reasons that this accidental bearing deletion story and diagnosis could not have possibly happened. ‪@TKsGarage‬ ‪@ButterDaInsider‬
#demon #dodge #musclecar
MERCHANDISE:
Get Your UTG T-Shirts Here: uncletonysgara...
Get Your UTG Stickers Here: uncletonysgara...
OUR STORE: uncletonysgara...

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

Garage 54.."today ve leave out Lada bearing shell!...hmm...is making loud sound! Yes. Motor is finished, right away!"

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Today we make engine bearing from wood. Lada will not die.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

@@RipRoaringGarage so far, no Lada has died.

[@318Magnum]

Today we try rope bearing with shellac hardener

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

@@318Magnum yup. They would do that! Just took a look at the 50 KG out of balance wheel video. Hilarious. Blew the frickin windshield out of the car 😂

[@TOOL_MARKS]

@@outlawbillionairez9780 😆😆 Yes, I remember that episode. 😊

[@minnesotatomcat]

I used to work in a case ih assembly plant building the big Patriot sprayers. The engines were supposed to be filled with oil in the subassembly area before they were ever installed on the machine. Before they were started for the first time the oil was supposed to be checked. Well in my 6+ years there the stars aligned 3 different times where the engine area forgot to fill it with oil and the operator who started it neglected to check it first. Engines without oil will start right up and run just fine……..for about 90 seconds, and then they make the worst sound you ever heard before checking out. You’re exactly right Tony, that thing wouldn’t not have made it for more than a couple minutes just due to oil starvation.

[@John-vs1nq]

When I heard the stories of a bearing being left was the cause of the Demon engines, I thought how ridiculous! I was and engine builder for over 50 years, you are exactly right Tony!

[@matthewf1979]

I left a comment basically saying this on Butters channel. Someone said that the rear main pin doesn’t oil the #7/8 crank pin in the Demon engine. I have no idea if that’s true, it doesn’t make any sense, but that would explain how it ran for that long. I’m still on the “it’s BS” train.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

I don't know much,but I'd think that's somewhat of a special engine, and has more hands on it than a typical production engine. This is the first I heard of all this nonsense, of course now the vid will pop up in my feed here soon.

[@davepotanko5514]

What? A super fantastic awesome Demon engine shares something with every automobile engine in the last 70 years. Oh no can't be it has to be way more sophisticated. Baaaaaahhaaaaa!

[@billymanilli]

It's just a gen3 hemi right? That crank is oiled "normally"... or in other words, the way Tony just showed/explained. I don't believe it either, tbh.

[@wps620]

Would have rod knocked. With the large gap.

[@matthewf1979]

@@wps620 It was a main journal, so no. There would be very low oil pressure though, and that would cause rod/main bearing heating, leading to spun bearings and then rod knocking.

[@brandonlink6568]

One good sign, but not guarantee, that the story is fake is that they took their 2000 mile car to an independent shop and paid thousands for them to pull the engine instead of having the dealer do it under warranty

[@failranch9542]

I remember, as a youth, looking at the old 10 inch thick Motor repair manual (think Chilton for every US make - but written for pros) and seeing the oiling diagrams with black and white arrows going here, there, and everywhere. Same thing in the big AMC / Jeep factory service manual. And I never really understood it until watching UTG just now. I had forgotten it and moved on to other things. But now at least I finally get it. So glad we live in a world where it's so easy to learn stuff. At least they haven't figured out how to take that from us yet - but I feel like it's coming.

[@TireSlayer55]

I'm a rental car fleet mechanic presiding over a bunch of Stellantis cars and we've received a couple brand new Jeep Wranglers that were missing bolts from the accessory drive, and one that didn't have a thermostat. A bunch of our Grand Cherokees were recalled for potentially bad front upper control arm to spindle pinch bolts. I like modern Mopars and over all they feel really solidly built but they need to get their QC process together.

[@MikeekiM-vh5se]

Next Week Demon build quality is so bad they forgot to put in a rear diff and passenger side cyl head but they raced it for 8 months and 200 miles down the 1/4 mile track LOL

[@vilefly]

What really happened is that the bearing caused a communication fault in the CAN bus. When the oil pump lost communication to the bearing, it stopped sending it oil. 🤪

[@Chris.8.8.]

An unscheduled rapid disassembly?

[@MrTheHillfolk]

I guess you could say it had a brainfahrt

[@alvon911]

LOL

[@me3333]

So all he needed to do was update the software and send it...

[@RustyorBroken]

Abraham Lincoln bought a brand new 69 plumb crazy hemi Cuda convertible. Drove it off the lot. When he got home he stopped by Ben Franklin's place (they lived in the same HOA at the time). When he opened the hood to show Ben he discovered that Ma Mopar built it without an engine block. Everything else was there; heads, intake, oil pan, rotating assembly, etc. No block. They looked at the build date. You guessed it, Friday afternoon. True story!

[@vinnyvette6028]

Corny as fuck!

[@timbarry5080]

"America is all about speed, Hot, nasty, badass speed"...Eleanor Roosevelt 1936

[@rustybrowneye]

I worked in a stellanits engine plant in 2019-20. I made the 3.6. i can assure you they take quality control and very seriously

[@JacksonHall611]

My brother works as a service manager at a Dodge dealership and I asked him to see what he could find out and he was able to find an open warranty claim on a Deamon 170 that was found to be missing the lower half of the #1 main bearing. I’m not sure if this is a 2nd one or the same and some details were incorrect. The car came in with 217 miles for low oil pressure and leaking oil pan gasket. While replacing the gasket shavings were found this dealer was told to first inspect the crankshaft and second locate the source of shavings, which is reasonable because if the crank is shot, it doesn’t really matter where they came from. It’s an engine replacement anyway the number one bearing cap was found not to have a bearing, it is unclear if the bearing was not installed or if the shavings is what was left of it. My brother said that potentially it could be possible that it was not installed because he thinks number one and two rods are fed from the number two main so with the oil sump there there could be enough splash lubrication for just that one main, I asked him how would any oil make it to the top? If all the pressure was going out around the number one main he said the only thing he could think of would be the supercharger drive was applying enough force to the front of the crank To keep it stable enough the oil couldn’t come out faster than the pump could pump it like I said this is mostly speculation. The only thing I can say is fact is there is a demon 170 that has either chewed up and spit out a number one bearing or was assembled without it. The only reason I say assembled without it is even possible is there was no trace of that half under the cap

[@7080nik]

I currently work with a guy who worked for a Stellantis assembly plant in SE Michigan. He worked 2nd shift and said it seemed that more than half the workers there were drunk or on drugs every day.

[@prevost8686]

The Michigan plant has been the subject of undercover journalists for several decades and footage of workers getting blasted during lunchtime breaks have been all over investigative reporting shows. Of course, when confronted with the footage plant management always insisted that they had implemented new procedures to ensure that the workers were not baked on the job. I absolutely hate to see American manufacturing jobs disappear from our country but when you see what some manufacturers are up against it makes you wonder if you would do anything differently if you were in their shoes.

[@Freedomquest08]

My '93 Jeep ZJ 5.2 went 170,000 original miles with half of a main thrust bearing (block side) that never made surface contact with the crank. After many years it did wipe out the crank in the thrust area to the point that the crank counterweights were hitting the block (reason for pulling the engine). The crank had about 1/2" end play. I have not checked line bore to see what caused the issue, but weird stuff can and has happened from the factory. Mine did have lower than average oil pressure on the gauge for a Mopar, but nothing alarming. I still have the block.

[@gwhizz44]

You have been around a long time Uncle Tony. I remember having a copy of Fast Fords and Hotrod Chevys. I really enjoyed reading it. Keep rockin it dude!

[@ARfourbanger2000]

Uncle Tony is a noble sage amongst youtube quacks

[@michaelangelo8001]

I worked for a Dodge dealer during the late '70s as a new car prep mechanic. The quality control on those cars was totally nonexistent, and consequently they almost worked me to death. I even had one V8 car come in with only seven pistons and rods.

[@bluejacketsfan60]

That engine wouldn't have even made it out of the factory lot without at least making some ungodly sounds if that would have happened! Great informative video on why that could have never happened for the people that have never built an engine!👍

[@richardknottek6618]

It’s scary what passes for competency these days…

[@ccpgmike620]

So if half shell was indeed left out …. A low oil pressure light or alarm etc would have shown As They Drove Car Off Assembly Line right Another factor making idea suspicious

[@IsaacMBean]

Man I just found your channel and it’s amazing! You’re so good at explaining things and your world views I connect with so much. Thank you for doing what you do. Us younger folks might be annoying, but some of us are hungry for this information and don’t have fathers that taught us this stuff.

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

Glad you made a video about this, I just don't have the time. The first thing I thought when I saw it was how did it make enough oil pressure during the test run at the plant to end up in a vehicle. More likely, a tuner of some kind raised the RPM cut off and bearings spun at higher speed than the engine is designed for.

[@pro5.019]

Forget about the oil starvation issue for a second. The main thrust bearing was obviously in place. Tell me how missing a main bearing would have any effect on oil getting past the rear main seal? Absolutely no chance unless the seal was damaged in some way or the sealing surface had a nick, which damaged the sealing lip of the seal.

[@michaelkeyes3856]

Agreed Uncle Tony! Many don’t understand what the bearings do other the support the load. They also are responsible for oil pressure

[@davidduffin8952]

Even before your explanation, I thought "that would lead to a massive internal oil leak". Engine would last 5, maybe 10 minutes at most & that's at idle! (yes, I am a mechanic)

[@raywagner8016]

Hey Tony. Remember on the old Fueler and Top Alcohol Hemis how the rear main would tighten up after 2 or 3 runs and you'd have to throw in a new bullet? That was at the 1500 hp mark for a purpose built BAE or KB Hemi. Crank deflection at the flywheel would cause it. Imagine what's happening to a modern production Hemi at the 1000 hp mark.

[@UncleTonysGarage]

Rear main damage on a fuel motor is nearly always indicative of a clutch issue or severe tire shake

[@sjcottsi]

I worked at a Chrysler garage in 79. A main bearing knock on cold start was common in V8 engines. The v-belts would hold the crank up against the upper front main and cylinder firing would make a knock. All engines I worked on had a grooved lower main. Installing a solid lower shell would fix the problem. This was common in SBCs even with solid lower shells. In that case you had to take the front main clearance down to one thousand.

[@BigBlock-wf3mh]

Very understandable, very well explained, thanks UT.

[@7t2z28]

I read the title and figured something was amiss. There's no way that would pass end of line, even if no one noticed it was making no oil pressure, it be making a hell of a racket.

[@RA31A]

I chose full groove main bearings for my 73' mod 318 which according to the Clevite catalog, became standard in 1976. I don't mind 360° oiling on the rods & and I'm sure the rods don't either.

[@brentvalentine]

Great explanation. I was thinking the exact same thing, no oil pressure and a serious knock. Would have been noticed by the technician doing the PDI at the very least. IMHO

[@NBSV1]

I figured they were going to say they found the oil leak being a hole in the block. About the only thing I can figure is if the missing shell would let the crank move enough to cause the rear seal to leak. Hard to imagine how you’d get to checking bearings trying to fix an oil leak.

[@BJ-qp5st]

The Chrysler Corporation back in the 50's and 60's is long gone. Only the name remains.

[@richardtomaszewski3569]

I hadn't heard this rumor and I could very easily see Dodge being that stupid but to claim it would run like that without catastrophic and unignorably symptoms is completely not possible especially on an engine like that.

[@Mikefngarage]

with a missing bearing shell. The oil loss would be so great the rods would come loose within a few minutes. On the same note I have seen an engine with 20 main bearings and a 10 crank that ran fine but puked out the rear main. No loose rods. But in a new car assembly they would not have access to any oversized bearings. so I am calling all this BS.

[@larryakre5942]

I'm questioning how .020" undersize main bearings can be installed with a crank having .010" undersized journals would even rotate. The interference fit would render it immovable. Did you perhaps get your parameters crossed? I.E. A .020" crank with .010" bearings? This would likely run for awhile but oil pressure would be almost non existent.

[@Mikefngarage]

@@larryakre5942 yea 20 crank with 10 bearings. and it still ran. had some oil pressure but not much. Guy drove it like that for a week. .o10 extra clearance Rod bearings were not totally loose yet either. Took it apart and replaced Main and rod bearings and it ran fine. Crank was still in spec.

[@nickelliott1174]

The new cars coming out from certain companies already have plenty of problems, there's no.need to make stuff up. 😎 Uncle Tony making common sense great again!

[@madmagyver9981]

Another moment of wisdom from Tony

[@ronw59]

It's a cost cutting move!! The bean counters said all those extra pieces are just a waste, not needed. Customers are expecting way too much for a measly 75 grand vehicle! They've been pampered for too long now!

[@dennisthomas4766]

In 1985 my neighbor bought a brand new Dodge 1/2 ton pickup 4x4 and it was a oil burner, he took it to the dealer and they found there was pistons with no rings on a few cylinders, so the dealer rebuilt the engine and it still used oil and didn't run right and he took it back and they wouldn't do anything about it until my neighbor called Chrysler and talked to Lee Iacocca and Chrysler sent a brand new engine to the dealer and it was installed and that solved his problem!!!!!!

[@dresdensvo]

Another big hole in the story , The car has to be driven from the assy. line to a storage lot and then driven from that lot onto a transport truck . So the car would not be delivered .

[@fredanddebramacdonald2445]

I do know of an instance where a Ford 390 had a missing main bearing shell and was driven for a couple of years before it acted up enough to need repairs. The repairs included a new crankshaft, and Ford paid for everything. I don’t know which main bearing it was or any other details.

[@RwP223]

Ive seen missing bears disassembling engines, where the bearing shell is stuck in the cap lololol

[@kb9oak749]

Tight tolerances, 0 weight oils, garbage tee oil delivery schemes, higher engine operating temps and cost down engineering are far more likely to kill an engine. Chrysler is not alone, but they might be pushing the envelope for how cheap and failure prone can you make an engine before it disintegrates into a pile of scrap.

[@manmachine2378]

Tony correct me if I'm wrong but if you study the picture carefully the upper bearing shells don't appear to be full groove the groove stops short of the end of the bearing wouldn't that create somewhat of a sealed oiling system? The crankshaft would still be held in place and located by the other 4 main bearings but it would allow the end of the crank at number 5 to turn a slight ellipse from lack of support causing a rear main seal leak? The direction of crankshaft rotation should be forcing the locating tab of the bearing into the block and the oil pressure would keep the crank from coming in direct metal to metal contact with the bearing but also causing a deflection in the crankshaft of a few thousandths of an inch possibly causing a leak? I mean no disrespect just trying to wrap my head around the situation.

[@jamesgullo8240]

I think they would hear it on initial start up.🤣

[@timferguson8654]

I don't think the main bearings might knock they're probably only leaving out one shell

[@WhiteTrashMotorsports]

They may not hear it but should have seen the lack of oil pressure.

[@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542]

If a main bearing drops out, you loose 100% of all oil pressure. With that much clearance, and that little oil flow, even on a high performance oil pump system, is enough for the oil pressure to flatline and the whole system lacks enough oil to continue to operate. At the point one went a couple of miles, it would stick bearings all along the crank and seize up.

[@senditc20]

I’ve seen a gen 3 hemi that was donated to the schools auto shop from a local dealer that was pulled out under warranty because it burned oil from the factory I got to be the first one to open it up it had no piston rings from the factory and the guy put 50k moles on it somehow

[@dddevildogg]

Intake Compression Detonation Exhaust.I think you must have all four.

[@bartkay1ify]

Uncle Tony is great thinking about the missing bearing story. ONE question if #8 rod had zero oil pressure would not the engine's computer show some weird oil pressure readings. Would you think #8 rod had some oil pressure. I like the video. Thanks Bart

[@douggorton1482]

Would have sounded like a mad leprechaun trying to hammer his way out of the engine.

[@TKsGarage]

Interesting. Only can go by what the dealer said and why they are replacing the engine

[@petepeterson5337]

I am aware of an airplane engine where a couple of through-bolts were left loose by a previous owner's mechanic. Not quite as bad as leaving out a main bearing, but the through-bolts are important to make sure the bearings and hence the crank main journal is well supported. Happily the manufacturer had a procedure to confirm no damage was done.

[@reallybadaim118]

That xar behind you. Its the most popular color in my small town.

[@gerhardbraatz6305]

That would be one noisy engine very fast.

[@keithroute8906]

I would think the motor would seize up or blow up the first time someone jammed the gas pedal to the floor. There is no way a person would not peal out in a car like that, so catastrophic engine failure would happen quickly in a situation like that. I have seen a lot of engine building mistakes, it could happen that an assembler left out a bearing cap. I just don’t think that motor would last an hour with a red blooded American hammering on the gas pedal like we all know would certainly and absolutely happen in a 170 Demon. Not exactly a grandma car fouling with carbon from bumbling around for years never leaving town.

[@bbb462cid]

Oil wedges? We doan' need no stinking _oil wedges_ !!

[@rchydrozz751]

Half a bearing would be noisy right at start up.

[@robertheymann5906]

My old Plymouth has a tear in its eye watching mother Chrysler implode

[@dddevildogg]

My Dakota 2000 has no parents.she's an orphan.Some day the same fate will befall all American Brand Cars. Companies Owned by Foreigners that never made a good car- American car buyers ignored them and they went back Once, you were a kook with a foreign car- only the Dealer could fix it, and it broke a lot That's where we're at again

[@TKsGarage]

My only question why did the dealer document it and replace the engine?

[@donkeyboy585]

I mean yeah the car has to drive off the line and to the carrier then into the dealer lot THEN home by the new owner. Highly unlikely

[@mb-fs1yo]

Worked for a guy who purchased a new Ford pickup in 1979, had a miss from time he picked it up. Long story short, found out was missing a rod and piston. Engine was warranted and got a new one.

[@OldcarsNmusic]

To give Der Tebbel his due Daimler did breathe some life into Chrysler- not a lot, but some. Cerberus didn't do squit with the company when they had it, but at least they didn't bugger it up. Fiat seemed to try to revitalize Chrysler at first but I think, they saw it as a foot in the door for Fiat and Alfa Romeo dealerships here in the U.S. When Fiat and Peugeot merged it appeared that they relegated all the remaining Chrysler brands, to red-headed stepchild status. I know Roger got a bad taste in his mouth after what GM did to him concerning Saturn; but if Penske Automotive got a hold of CDJ&R I think they could perform a miracle with it. Scuttlebutt says Jeep and Ram are not on the chopping block but if anyone could get those two brands away from Stellantis as well, I think Roger could.

[@jittychitty]

I'm glad you said this... I was thinking and wondering the same basic thing

[@pretty-nickypeso59]

Not to menton how would that cause a rear main seal leak

[@RCredneck85]

I said the same thing. Hell if you put a minute scratch in a cam bearing doing a cam swap you can lose 10-20 psi like nothing

[@gittnjiggy2]

I think you should test your theory UT. I believe you would have low oil pressure, but i think it would run longer than u think.

[@DependableAutoTruck]

different subject but you might know i have a 1966 D500 with poly 318 has 3bolt direct drive starter do you know of any adapter to put the later model small starter on this truck

[@Nordic_Mechanic]

why they still make 10 sec cars with front wet sump is mind boggling.

[@MrOwenpowell]

Thanks for showing people the facts

[@melvinmunson8331]

Uncle Tony You are the Man

[@loucad1802]

It happened again! Another D170 with a missing main bearing!

[@bluesman7475]

Ok, so you think the bearing was installed. Please explain why there was not one when the engine was torn down. Did it grind itself to dust while running? Racer X had metal in his oil. Please explain what possibly occured.

[@dougjones9493]

I worked at a ford dealership back in the last seventies and had 2 cars come in with engine bearings missing.

[@edyates7601]

My dad had 1976 dodge truck back in 76 77 and it had no rear main bearing for the factory

[@billymania11]

It works both ways. Tony goes out on a limb on occasion and pushes some crazy stuff. I can easily imagine an engine missing a bearing and still running for a while. Chrysler is his bread and butter and naturally he will defend the company.

[@BENEVOLENCEMETAL]

It’s Carlos trying to cut costs 😂😂😂😂😂

[@returningbuick1665]

Uncle Tony what is ur opinion on stellantis downsizing it's usa operations and what It means for mopar

[@malcolmtrull2643]

I had a Detroit Diesel dealership leave a an upper main bearing shell out of a 8v92. It ran for over 1000 miles before blowing the rear main seal. No other damage. They replaced all the bearings and it ran fine for many more years.

[@bullwag1978]

You should watch the donut media vid on that LSX they got from Chevy racing, with the toast bearings and missing piston retainer

[@318Magnum]

Man unrelated to your video, I hate putting windshields in I just popped the glass and it's costing me a bunch of money ehh

[@hydorah]

If you leave out a main bearing you'll have 1mm + of clearance all the way around that rod to the crank journal. That will knock like a 1000 bible salesmen, from the instant the engine is fired up. No one will be in any doubt that something is very wrong. Could you drive it five miles? Maybe, but that sound we all know, Uncle Rodney knocking 'cos he's wanting to pop out to see us would be unmistakable

[@stevereimer5254]

By 5 miles the block would have inspection ports.

[@stevereimer5254]

By 5 miles the block would have inspection ports.

[@scottbrown7415]

Stelantis is a foreign corporation now. The chairman has stated that he is intent upon reducing the cost structure by 30 percent of the North American operation. Engineering is almost gone now in America at Chrysler. A 30 percent cut means that they will outsource all the development work to low cost countries. They will have to keep a absolute minimum level of engineering talent in house to get the product certification and validation done. That’s it. They will be done in less than three years. As problems occur they will be unable to respond quickly to the situation. The broken vehicles will be stacked up at the dealerships and the situation will escalate from there.

[@tacomafan5186]

Good info Tony!

[@danielbeiersr3642]

My dad bought a new 1963 Buick Wildcat station wagon and he discovered after the warranty expired that two piston had NO oil wiper rings on them from the factory!!

[@robertlee9395]

One very real problem the UAW has documented is that the wiring harnesses are too short. That makes them hard to plug in and leaves them under tension. As the vehicle is built out plugs don't make good contact. They may test bad and ten minutes later test good. Ship it!

[@karlsracing8422]

It would've shut the car down immediately, im sure theres a lower limit threshold programed into the software.

[@osue69]

In-line, slant six, best engine.

[@mromatic17]

if they forgot to put main bearings in I' imagine it would rattle itself apart in like 30 seconds. it would shake ungodly bad if it ran at all.

[@harlyjock1]

Ton, look up ESPN Randall Cobb house fire story, Nashville, says Tesla charger was the cause

[@PotatoeJoe69]

The idea of any company leaving a rod bearing out is just insanity. Its 100% a hoax. Dodge and every other brand test runs their engines. The second it cranked they would've hears the awful, insanely loud clanking and smashing sound that would be caused by the rod just loosely thrashing around against the crank, and it sure as hell wouldn't have lasted over 1,000 miles or a single pull down a drag strip! It wouldn't even last 2 seconds before the rod and crank were destroyed.

[@melvinmunson8331]

I remember a few years ago a friend put 4 new 4.3 GM engines in before 1 went over 1000 miles.3 Blew up and he was an older guy and doesn't Hot Rod his cars

[@VWbusmarketcrash]

Please do a video on bearing grooves.

[@damarapoledna3636]

Probably a miss communication in that the rod bearing was what was actually missing. 🤔

[@jaredlancaster4137]

Why would a missing rod bearing create a rear main leak, or anything other than a destroyed rod?

[@howebrad4601]

What I don't understand in this day and age why we haven't went to full roller bearings on crankshaft like some motorcycle engines have. Would seem to be superior to me

[@joecicero2745]

Back in the day we had a customer with a Ford pinto 2300 4 banger he drove it for years bought it new had rear seal leak pulled the pan and rear main lower bearing was never installed no shit

[@snoman003]

Got to love when internet hoaxes, are debunked by automotive knowledge and common sense. Refreshing to see...yet again.

[@nickbruni8041]

So … WHEN it happens eventually… people won’t be surprised at all 🤘🏼⛽️

[@deadchewie]

that upper shell would have spun instantly and blocked oil flow.

[@ralphdromey8271]

Sabotage, these engines are suppose to be on dyno, which would have caught this. We know a lot of the workers thought they got the gold ring after the strike, but got the shaft instead by the new euro bed wetter enviro tree huggers.

[@chrisjacobs3018]

Very informative Tony

[@josephszot5545]

I can't believe it you have that '67 Belvedere 4 door. You haven't put a 426 hemi with a 4 barrel, 4 speed and 300:1 rear and peak the interest of Tenn. HP?